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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: stuthespread on 02 February 2009, 09:10:14
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how difficult would it be to change my current system for a bose system?i notie that quite a few systems are up for sale occasionally.
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how difficult would it be to change my current system for a bose system?i notie that quite a few systems are up for sale occasionally.
Give us a clue ;)
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Whats your existing system and car?
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cdr 500 current head unit.
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age?
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car 1s 99 s plate.
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OK, CCR800, CDC2, amp, shelf, 4 Bose door speakers, 2 subs, and the loom down the side of the car.
Sadly, if the last letter of the VIN is an X you will have to drill the metal shelf to fit the subs. Might be worth considering blind/shelf at this time.
I know loo-knee/elite pete can supply all this at the moment.
If you fancy a bit of wiring, CCRT700 headunit adds a phone as well. I'm sure they can supply this, along with (different) CDC2, courtesy light with microphone, and new computer display.
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sounds like it could be a bit of a major job?
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sounds like it could be a bit of a major job?
To CCR800, its not bad - its just the drilling for the subs. Bit of trim to come off (rear shelf, and trim down drivers side of car), but all easy stuff to be honest.
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What about a T/99 MV6 with CRT700 already in place guys???
Same drill??
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What about a T/99 MV6 with CRT700 already in place guys???
Same drill??
Possibly not, look in the boot at the rear shelf for the presence of 2 large semi-cut sections where the speakers would sit.
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What about a T/99 MV6 with CRT700 already in place guys???
Same drill??
As MDTM illuded to, it would appear that MY99 (last letter of VIN being an X) and later (so facelifts) cars don't have the cutouts for the bose speakers, so need to be manually drilled.
Up to MY98 (last letter of VIN being W), the metal shelve has punch outs...
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Thats shouldn't cause me a problem.
Cars been in the garage for nearly 18 months now, so I ain't going to go and unbury it from all the crap I have stacked around it just for that ;D
Cheers guys :y
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I'm thinking of fitting bose into my 2001 facelift saloon also....
At the moment i have NCDC2015, it sound pretty good, it would be great if it had little more of that low end bass tho. I'm not looking for mindblowing loud bass, just clean, perfect sound at average volume.
But I have some serious doubts about this Bose system, is it woth it's price(~170£)??? Or should I just drop this idea.
Second thing is I have no idea where to exactly drill holes for subs....has anyone done it. Maybe someone can post pics where it's fitted?
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why do you lot go mad for a 20 year old system?
a moderm head unit would trounce it in every way
compaired to the stock system is is an improvement but spend a few hundred quid on speakers and a decent head unit and the bose system really starts to sound a but duff
Doug
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The reason BOSE is attractive is because its a 6Ch 280W Amp with 2x Subs & 4 speakers and it works with the cars original display and works with steering wheel controls without having to wedge loads of auto leads kits behind a non standard head unit
is it worth £200 no its not! the system cant deal with bassey music at high volumes and yes a descent head unit would pee all over it
i paid £100 for my bose system including CCRT,Mic,CCRTMID,Amp Shelf Speakers etc its now sat in the loft awaiting a project!
i may put it in SWMBO's Astra that already has a CCRT in it too!
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why do you lot go mad for a 20 year old system?
a moderm head unit would trounce it in every way
compaired to the stock system is is an improvement but spend a few hundred quid on speakers and a decent head unit and the bose system really starts to sound a but duff
Doug
No doubt abou it....but can't really drop my headunit....cid and bc wont work then :(....unless i go to MID...but i don't really like to swap CID to MID tho. I love my CID :y
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The reason BOSE is attractive is because its a 6Ch 280W Amp with 2x Subs & 4 speakers and it works with the cars original display and works with steering wheel controls without having to wedge loads of auto leads kits behind a non standard head unit
is it worth £200 no its not! the system cant deal with bassey music at high volumes and yes a descent head unit would pee all over it
i paid £100 for my bose system including CCRT,Mic,CCRTMID,Amp Shelf Speakers etc its now sat in the loft awaiting a project!
i may put it in SWMBO's Astra that already has a CCRT in it too!
Good price. :y.There would be no doubts with this price... :)
If you won't find a project...you can always ship them to Estonia (to me) :)
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think i paid £75 delivered for my bose - amp/speakers/ccrt700/display/cdc2/loom...
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if your running a CID then you have that NCDC / NCDR stereo cant bose be switched on via Tech II then all you would need is an AMP & speakers
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if your running a CID then you have that NCDC / NCDR stereo cant bose be switched on via Tech II then all you would need is an AMP & speakers
Nice low prices you have managed to get...
In ebay there are much higher prices and shipping to Estonia costs.
Is there need to switch bose on in NCDC2015, or only "Bose" logo in CID cos i've done that allready when installed my CID.
I think there is no wiring in rear shelf and i need bose loom and speaker covers for rear shelf. Don't really need new shelf with blind cos there is no point for blind when you have black tinted glass. just would wind up price and shipping costs.
So I need loom, speakers, amp with large plastic "thing", covers.
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if your running a CID then you have that NCDC / NCDR stereo cant bose be switched on via Tech II then all you would need is an AMP & speakers
Nice low prices you have managed to get...
In ebay there are much higher prices and shipping to Estonia costs.
Is there need to switch bose on in NCDC2015, or only "Bose" logo in CID cos i've done that allready when installed my CID.
I think there is no wiring in rear shelf and i need bose loom and speaker covers for rear shelf. Don't really need new shelf with blind cos there is no point for blind when you have black tinted glass. just would wind up price and shipping costs.
So I need loom, speakers, amp with large plastic "thing", covers.
to get levels right, ncdc needs switching to bose
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pm me a post code and ill see what DHL quote for estonian delivery
scrub that 15kg sent via parcelforce is £80!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i guestimate the amp speakers and loom to be around 25kg
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pm me a post code and ill see what DHL quote for estonian delivery
scrub that 15kg sent via parcelforce is £80!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i guestimate the amp speakers and loom to be around 25kg
is it really so heavy ~20kg?? :o Then it will be too expencive to even get it here..... :(
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Yeah The AMP Loom & Speakers are around 20Kg the loom weighs the most!
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What for is that large black plastic box? Do i need it to install bose or is it for rear blind?
Also maybe someone of you mates are kind enough to post me some pictures of your bose setup to my email: kait666@hot.ee
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What for is that large black plastic box? Do i need it to install bose or is it for rear blind?
Also maybe someone of you mates are kind enough to post me some pictures of your bose setup to my email: kait666@hot.ee
it's for the amp to sit in. Looks like this when partly installed.
http://home.btconnect.com/nickargue/images/omega/Bose%20Amp.JPG
Though I imagine you could mount the amp elsewhere and keep a bit more boot space.
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Well...I have managed to buy my bose set. I paid ~82£ for system and another 44£ :( for dhl from germany. It didnt include plastic amp box and half covers that should go under subwoofers...
I checked the bose loom and it has blue connector for amp and on the other end there is grey connector, is it really all i need, just swap the loom? I have checked the wiring diagram in TIS but cant really figure out how it can work? Is there any wiring to do behind the radio? Allready know about programming ncdc.
Anyway just bought another bose set for facelift caravan(just do do little business....). Found it in car junk yard(where they sell used car parts) and removed it from car myself. paid 20£ for it:D.
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why do you lot go mad for a 20 year old system?
a moderm head unit would trounce it in every way
compaired to the stock system is is an improvement but spend a few hundred quid on speakers and a decent head unit and the bose system really starts to sound a but duff
Doug
I couldn`t agree more
Even if you could get the BOSE system to sounds its absolute best, and play it back through a set of BOSE speakers that did not show signs of having aged the last 20 years, you are still left with a system that although sounded reasonable(?) 20 years ago, does not compare in any way to any modern stereo that has evolved over the years. Audio technology has come a long way, and if you do not agree, then why are you all trying to fit iPods as well? (with the exception of TB who still likes listening to the wireless)
I know that many of you like to keep the originality of the head unit, and do not like the look of modrn ones, and I can fully accept that argument, but to faff around rewiring and adding hideaway amps for little gain really does puzzle me.
A good quality modern amplifier and a good set of modern speakers hidden away, yet powered by the existing head unit is going to blow away any BOSE system. And if you disagree and think that the BOSE is better, then I would certainly like to come and visit YOUR car audio shop for a side by side comparison.
:P
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why do you lot go mad for a 20 year old system?
a moderm head unit would trounce it in every way
compaired to the stock system is is an improvement but spend a few hundred quid on speakers and a decent head unit and the bose system really starts to sound a but duff
Doug
I couldn`t agree more
Even if you could get the BOSE system to sounds its absolute best, and play it back through a set of BOSE speakers that did not show signs of having aged the last 20 years, you are still left with a system that although sounded reasonable(?) 20 years ago, does not compare in any way to any modern stereo that has evolved over the years. Audio technology has come a long way, and if you do not agree, then why are you all trying to fit iPods as well? (with the exception of TB who still likes listening to the wireless)
I know that many of you like to keep the originality of the head unit, and do not like the look of modrn ones, and I can fully accept that argument, but to faff around rewiring and adding hideaway amps for little gain really does puzzle me.
A good quality modern amplifier and a good set of modern speakers hidden away, yet powered by the existing head unit is going to blow away any BOSE system. And if you disagree and think that the BOSE is better, then I would certainly like to come and visit YOUR car audio shop for a side by side comparison.
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Because its plug and play....the bose loom plugs into the existing, the speakers are easy to swap and require no adaptors, the amp bolts in place.
Its very easy to fit.
Aftermarket speakers dont fit easily in an Omega (adaptors and the like required), the amps require major re-wires plus additional supplies adding.
Plus the whole setup can be picked up for not much more than the cost of a good night out :y
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why do you lot go mad for a 20 year old system?
a moderm head unit would trounce it in every way
compaired to the stock system is is an improvement but spend a few hundred quid on speakers and a decent head unit and the bose system really starts to sound a but duff
Doug
I couldn`t agree more
Even if you could get the BOSE system to sounds its absolute best, and play it back through a set of BOSE speakers that did not show signs of having aged the last 20 years, you are still left with a system that although sounded reasonable(?) 20 years ago, does not compare in any way to any modern stereo that has evolved over the years. Audio technology has come a long way, and if you do not agree, then why are you all trying to fit iPods as well? (with the exception of TB who still likes listening to the wireless)
I know that many of you like to keep the originality of the head unit, and do not like the look of modrn ones, and I can fully accept that argument, but to faff around rewiring and adding hideaway amps for little gain really does puzzle me.
A good quality modern amplifier and a good set of modern speakers hidden away, yet powered by the existing head unit is going to blow away any BOSE system. And if you disagree and think that the BOSE is better, then I would certainly like to come and visit YOUR car audio shop for a side by side comparison.
:P
LOL - gayPod's audio abilities shows that most people aren't that insterested in sound quality :-X.
;D
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why do you lot go mad for a 20 year old system?
a moderm head unit would trounce it in every way
compaired to the stock system is is an improvement but spend a few hundred quid on speakers and a decent head unit and the bose system really starts to sound a but duff
Doug
I couldn`t agree more
Even if you could get the BOSE system to sounds its absolute best, and play it back through a set of BOSE speakers that did not show signs of having aged the last 20 years, you are still left with a system that although sounded reasonable(?) 20 years ago, does not compare in any way to any modern stereo that has evolved over the years. Audio technology has come a long way, and if you do not agree, then why are you all trying to fit iPods as well? (with the exception of TB who still likes listening to the wireless)
I know that many of you like to keep the originality of the head unit, and do not like the look of modrn ones, and I can fully accept that argument, but to faff around rewiring and adding hideaway amps for little gain really does puzzle me.
A good quality modern amplifier and a good set of modern speakers hidden away, yet powered by the existing head unit is going to blow away any BOSE system. And if you disagree and think that the BOSE is better, then I would certainly like to come and visit YOUR car audio shop for a side by side comparison.
:P
Because its plug and play....the bose loom plugs into the existing, the speakers are easy to swap and require no adaptors, the amp bolts in place.
Its very easy to fit.
Aftermarket speakers dont fit easily in an Omega (adaptors and the like required), the amps require major re-wires plus additional supplies adding.
Plus the whole setup can be picked up for not much more than the cost of a good night out :y
Blimey, you're obviously not a cheap date :P
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why do you lot go mad for a 20 year old system?
a moderm head unit would trounce it in every way
compaired to the stock system is is an improvement but spend a few hundred quid on speakers and a decent head unit and the bose system really starts to sound a but duff
Doug
I couldn`t agree more
Even if you could get the BOSE system to sounds its absolute best, and play it back through a set of BOSE speakers that did not show signs of having aged the last 20 years, you are still left with a system that although sounded reasonable(?) 20 years ago, does not compare in any way to any modern stereo that has evolved over the years. Audio technology has come a long way, and if you do not agree, then why are you all trying to fit iPods as well? (with the exception of TB who still likes listening to the wireless)
I know that many of you like to keep the originality of the head unit, and do not like the look of modrn ones, and I can fully accept that argument, but to faff around rewiring and adding hideaway amps for little gain really does puzzle me.
A good quality modern amplifier and a good set of modern speakers hidden away, yet powered by the existing head unit is going to blow away any BOSE system. And if you disagree and think that the BOSE is better, then I would certainly like to come and visit YOUR car audio shop for a side by side comparison.
:P
LOL - gayPod's audio abilities shows that most people aren't that insterested in sound quality :-X.
;D
The sound quality of the "gaypod" depends on how the material is compressed and recorded.
Did you see the Gadget show the other week? very very interesting blindfold experiment with Jason and Suzie trying to compare CD / MP3 and Vinyl.
Although The MP3 was actually compressed at a rate 7 time higher than most people download -(takes up more memory but gives a significantly higher quality) I must admit that I would have lost an awful lot of money should I have bet on the outcome, in fact we were all speechless at the result - (and that takes some doing)
The MP3 won !!!!! :o :o :o :o :o
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why do you lot go mad for a 20 year old system?
a moderm head unit would trounce it in every way
compaired to the stock system is is an improvement but spend a few hundred quid on speakers and a decent head unit and the bose system really starts to sound a but duff
Doug
I couldn`t agree more
Even if you could get the BOSE system to sounds its absolute best, and play it back through a set of BOSE speakers that did not show signs of having aged the last 20 years, you are still left with a system that although sounded reasonable(?) 20 years ago, does not compare in any way to any modern stereo that has evolved over the years. Audio technology has come a long way, and if you do not agree, then why are you all trying to fit iPods as well? (with the exception of TB who still likes listening to the wireless)
I know that many of you like to keep the originality of the head unit, and do not like the look of modrn ones, and I can fully accept that argument, but to faff around rewiring and adding hideaway amps for little gain really does puzzle me.
A good quality modern amplifier and a good set of modern speakers hidden away, yet powered by the existing head unit is going to blow away any BOSE system. And if you disagree and think that the BOSE is better, then I would certainly like to come and visit YOUR car audio shop for a side by side comparison.
:P
LOL - gayPod's audio abilities shows that most people aren't that insterested in sound quality :-X.
;D
The sound quality of the "gaypod" depends on how the material is compressed and recorded.
Did you see the Gadget show the other week? very very interesting blindfold experiment with Jason and Suzie trying to compare CD / MP3 and Vinyl.
Although The MP3 was actually compressed at a rate 7 time higher than most people download -(takes up more memory but gives a significantly higher quality) I must admit that I would have lost an awful lot of money should I have bet on the outcome, in fact we were all speechless at the result - (and that takes some doing)
The MP3 won !!!!! :o :o :o :o :o
I'm tone deaf. Thats probably why I think the Bose is more than good enough ;D
But even I can tell the difference between a good source, and a 128kbit mp3...
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why do you lot go mad for a 20 year old system?
a moderm head unit would trounce it in every way
compaired to the stock system is is an improvement but spend a few hundred quid on speakers and a decent head unit and the bose system really starts to sound a but duff
Doug
I couldn`t agree more
Even if you could get the BOSE system to sounds its absolute best, and play it back through a set of BOSE speakers that did not show signs of having aged the last 20 years, you are still left with a system that although sounded reasonable(?) 20 years ago, does not compare in any way to any modern stereo that has evolved over the years. Audio technology has come a long way, and if you do not agree, then why are you all trying to fit iPods as well ? (with the exception of TB who still likes listening to the wireless)
I know that many of you like to keep the originality of the head unit, and do not like the look of modrn ones, and I can fully accept that argument, but to faff around rewiring and adding hideaway amps for little gain really does puzzle me.
A good quality modern amplifier and a good set of modern speakers hidden away, yet powered by the existing head unit is going to blow away any BOSE system. And if you disagree and think that the BOSE is better, then I would certainly like to come and visit YOUR car audio shop for a side by side comparison.
:P
LOL - gayPod's audio abilities shows that most people aren't that insterested in sound quality :-X.
;D
The sound quality of the "gaypod" depends on how the material is compressed and recorded.
Did you see the Gadget show the other week? very very interesting blindfold experiment with Jason and Suzie trying to compare CD / MP3 and Vinyl.
Although The MP3 was actually compressed at a rate 7 time higher than most people download -(takes up more memory but gives a significantly higher quality) I must admit that I would have lost an awful lot of money should I have bet on the outcome, in fact we were all speechless at the result - (and that takes some doing)
The MP3 won !!!!! :o :o :o :o :o
Just as well I missed that, think I would snapped my remote control in half if that was the case (is she tone deaf).
Although I accept that it depends on the compression rates etc of MP3 formats, it still makes me cringe what rubbish some people listen to these days.
Spent most of my youth aiming for that magic 20 – 20 KHz +/- 1db without hiss and crackles, then finally it happens, PCM recorders, CD and DAT tape, wonderful. Then what do we do a few years later, compress the freck out of the music losing all the lower a higher harmonics to name a few and making the sound quality inferior!!. All for the sake of a few Mbs of space which are cheap and plentiful now anyway.
Grrrr >:( >:( >:(
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why do you lot go mad for a 20 year old system?
a moderm head unit would trounce it in every way
compaired to the stock system is is an improvement but spend a few hundred quid on speakers and a decent head unit and the bose system really starts to sound a but duff
Doug
I couldn`t agree more
Even if you could get the BOSE system to sounds its absolute best, and play it back through a set of BOSE speakers that did not show signs of having aged the last 20 years, you are still left with a system that although sounded reasonable(?) 20 years ago, does not compare in any way to any modern stereo that has evolved over the years. Audio technology has come a long way, and if you do not agree, then why are you all trying to fit iPods as well? (with the exception of TB who still likes listening to the wireless)
I know that many of you like to keep the originality of the head unit, and do not like the look of modrn ones, and I can fully accept that argument, but to faff around rewiring and adding hideaway amps for little gain really does puzzle me.
A good quality modern amplifier and a good set of modern speakers hidden away, yet powered by the existing head unit is going to blow away any BOSE system. And if you disagree and think that the BOSE is better, then I would certainly like to come and visit YOUR car audio shop for a side by side comparison.
:P
LOL - gayPod's audio abilities shows that most people aren't that insterested in sound quality :-X.
;D
The sound quality of the "gaypod" depends on how the material is compressed and recorded.
Did you see the Gadget show the other week? very very interesting blindfold experiment with Jason and Suzie trying to compare CD / MP3 and Vinyl.
Although The MP3 was actually compressed at a rate 7 time higher than most people download -(takes up more memory but gives a significantly higher quality) I must admit that I would have lost an awful lot of money should I have bet on the outcome, in fact we were all speechless at the result - (and that takes some doing)
The MP3 won !!!!! :o :o :o :o :o
I'm tone deaf. Thats probably why I think the Bose is more than good enough ;D
But even I can tell the difference between a good source, and a 128kbit mp3...
Not all MP3 is 128kbit - Gadget show have now proved that if recorded properly, it can actually sound quite good !! We are going to have a bit of a play here and see if we agree - will let you know how we get on.
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why do you lot go mad for a 20 year old system?
a moderm head unit would trounce it in every way
compaired to the stock system is is an improvement but spend a few hundred quid on speakers and a decent head unit and the bose system really starts to sound a but duff
Doug
I couldn`t agree more
Even if you could get the BOSE system to sounds its absolute best, and play it back through a set of BOSE speakers that did not show signs of having aged the last 20 years, you are still left with a system that although sounded reasonable(?) 20 years ago, does not compare in any way to any modern stereo that has evolved over the years. Audio technology has come a long way, and if you do not agree, then why are you all trying to fit iPods as well? (with the exception of TB who still likes listening to the wireless)
I know that many of you like to keep the originality of the head unit, and do not like the look of modrn ones, and I can fully accept that argument, but to faff around rewiring and adding hideaway amps for little gain really does puzzle me.
A good quality modern amplifier and a good set of modern speakers hidden away, yet powered by the existing head unit is going to blow away any BOSE system. And if you disagree and think that the BOSE is better, then I would certainly like to come and visit YOUR car audio shop for a side by side comparison.
:P
LOL - gayPod's audio abilities shows that most people aren't that insterested in sound quality :-X.
;D
The sound quality of the "gaypod" depends on how the material is compressed and recorded.
Did you see the Gadget show the other week? very very interesting blindfold experiment with Jason and Suzie trying to compare CD / MP3 and Vinyl.
Although The MP3 was actually compressed at a rate 7 time higher than most people download -(takes up more memory but gives a significantly higher quality) I must admit that I would have lost an awful lot of money should I have bet on the outcome, in fact we were all speechless at the result - (and that takes some doing)
The MP3 won !!!!! :o :o :o :o :o
I'm tone deaf. Thats probably why I think the Bose is more than good enough ;D
But even I can tell the difference between a good source, and a 128kbit mp3...
Not all MP3 is 128kbit - Gadget show have now proved that if recorded properly, it can actually sound quite good !! We are going to have a bit of a play here and see if we agree - will let you know how we get on.
:-/
If its higher than 128kb (think thats what your saying), then quality (real) would improve. but what about Headroom and Dynamic Range?, let us know when you have a play with it (compare with real PCM if you can). :y
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128kbit is about the standard that most programs compress to by default, there are other settings, but lets face it, who looks at anything other than the default settings? The more info you put on your MP3 player, the better it will sound.
We are going to have a play in a car with an iPod using as high a compression ratio as we can get, and will compare with a standard CD on a 24 bit player and an SACD as we have also have a player for that one also. ICE equipment will be with Audison amps on Focal speakers and also on a dedicated Clarion system as well.
Hope to have some results mid / late april
:y
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I wouldn't trust a gadget show test as they rarely base line the players etc they use.
MP3 is a lossy compression and that happens no matter what bit rate you record at as it still removes what it thinks are in-audiable sounds and uses substitution as the compression technique.
Its this that results in its lack of depth and makes it a tiring format to listen to.
Will be interesting to hear (reports on) your results Dave!
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I just found out that I have nowhere to insert this grey connector....
Took radio out and there were no remote wire for amp in ISO plug also:(
Do I need to have one more loom that goes from A-pillar to radio?? Is this loom separate from others?
Everybody on ebay are selling bose system with from rear to A-pillar loom.... :(
I really need your help quickly.....
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I just found out that I have nowhere to insert this grey connector....
Took radio out and there were no remote wire for amp in ISO plug also:(
Do I need to have one more loom that goes from A-pillar to radio?? Is this loom separate from others?
Everybody on ebay are selling bose system with from rear to A-pillar loom.... :(
I really need your help quickly.....
On a facelift, you may need to extend the loom from back of radio. Someone with a facelift should be able to confirm
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I wouldn't trust a gadget show test as they rarely base line the players etc they use.
MP3 is a lossy compression and that happens no matter what bit rate you record at as it still removes what it thinks are in-audiable sounds and uses substitution as the compression technique.
Its this that results in its lack of depth and makes it a tiring format to listen to.
Will be interesting to hear (reports on) your results Dave!
No they tested a Panasonic Toughbook in the bath so when i attended apprentice college we attempted similar tests and proved the Toughbook DOESNT work under water
that beside i use MP3 or OGG i usually rip at 320kbps anymore and i cant fit all my music on my MP3 CD
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personally found a few shortcomings in the 2015 head unit and associated gubbins that are rather annoying imho,
Such as lack of tmc(traffic) on the sat nav.(ffs)
Sat nav software itself is rather basic. Bloody works well tho.
Bose sound is "empty" at lower volume. Fine flat out tho.(again, imho)
No line in for audio/mp3 player.
No line in for video/mp4 player/freeview/what ever
But for all its short comings, which probably had no right to be included when designed, what is there to replace it that has all of the above but keeps all the good points without major surgery and bill to go with it? Ie,
Keep a colour screen interface in the dash near the windscreen view that keeps all the cars inputs, not forgetting check controle for low fluids and blown bulbs etc.
The replacement system must also work with stearing wheel controls and have a phone option, and it would be nice not to have to rip out the current speaker system due to expense/ possible damage to interior but this, from what i gather on here, aint possible as the bose speakers work with nothing else due to the level of amps it uses? Or something like that.
In short, agreed the elite level ice aint the greatest, but what do you replace it with given the above? I have looked and found nothing close, esp when price comes into it. Please advise if anybody has a product in mind.
Cheers
Chris. :-)
Ps also bear in mind there is bog all room behind the head unit for all those lovely fat connectors that ice shops love so much.
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128kbit is about the standard that most programs compress to by default, there are other settings, but lets face it, who looks at anything other than the default settings? The more info you put on your MP3 player, the better it will sound.
We are going to have a play in a car with an iPod using as high a compression ratio as we can get, and will compare with a standard CD on a 24 bit player and an SACD as we have also have a player for that one also. ICE equipment will be with Audison amps on Focal speakers and also on a dedicated Clarion system as well.
Hope to have some results mid / late april
:y
Wow, I’ve yet to listen to one of those, where you going to get a decent source recorded material from? I would really be interested in coming up and being a spectator to your tests. My back ground is Electronics Engineer, Sound Engineer and Hi Fi Engineer before becoming, my lasted trade, Radio Communications Engineer.
Any chance of an invite for the tests, don’t mind travelling, (pm sent).
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128kbit is about the standard that most programs compress to by default, there are other settings, but lets face it, who looks at anything other than the default settings? The more info you put on your MP3 player, the better it will sound.
We are going to have a play in a car with an iPod using as high a compression ratio as we can get, and will compare with a standard CD on a 24 bit player and an SACD as we have also have a player for that one also. ICE equipment will be with Audison amps on Focal speakers and also on a dedicated Clarion system as well.
Hope to have some results mid / late april
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Wow, I’ve yet to listen to one of those, where you going to get a decent source recorded material from? I would really be interested in coming up and being a spectator to your tests. My back ground is Electronics Engineer, Sound Engineer and Hi Fi Engineer before becoming, my lasted trade, Radio Communications Engineer.
Any chance of an invite for the tests, don’t mind travelling, (pm sent).
One of the advantages of working so closely with the manufacturers is that we do get the occasional promotional and demo CD and these are often recorded at a much higher quality to ensure that when you are showing off systems to customers that they sound their absolute best.
SACD`s were in the shops around 8 years ago for a very short time, although some music specialists may still have some as they were never popular and seldom sold. We use a copy of Thriller that we were given when playing around with some pre-production In Car SACD players years ago, but I must admit that we will too have to blow the dust off both the disc and the player, as the discs wouldn`t play in standard CD players either, one of the other reasons they never caught on.
If you are going to ask if the sound of SACD is any better? well, when compared with a standard CD recording on a standard CD player, yes, its significantly better - but if you listen to a standard CD on a 24 Bit CD player, then I would have to say that the standard CD sounds just as good - no real difference, and it was because of this reaction that the manufacturers produced a range of high end 24 bit CD players for In Car use that would play ordinary CD`s instead of developing the SACD player any further.
Now, if the gadget show compared the MP3 player with a 24bit CD player, I suspect that the final conclusion may have been very different.
Zirk, by all means come down and see us, (Essex to Paignton is a long way to hear a CD) - But as I`m quite often in Stevenage, I`m more than happy to meet up somewhere and let you have a listen sometime
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sounds like an excuse for dndservices oof open day perhaps?
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Well I was considering fitting the Bose system in my facelift Omega but I'm in a quandry now. I keep finding myself erring towards aftermarket subs to stick in the shelf instead with a decent amp. :-/
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Well I was considering fitting the Bose system in my facelift Omega but I'm in a quandry now. I keep finding myself erring towards aftermarket subs to stick in the shelf instead with a decent amp. :-/
Sounds like a good plan - Stop thinking about it and do it :y
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Well I was considering fitting the Bose system in my facelift Omega but I'm in a quandry now. I keep finding myself erring towards aftermarket subs to stick in the shelf instead with a decent amp. :-/
Sounds like a good plan - Stop thinking about it and do it :y
May just do that, the only thing stopping me is I want to be able to play MP3 and would like the phone to play through the radio but I also like the MID to work! :( :-/
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One of the advantages of working so closely with the manufacturers is that we do get the occasional promotional and demo CD and these are often recorded at a much higher quality to ensure that when you are showing off systems to customers that they sound their absolute best.
SACD`s were in the shops around 8 years ago for a very short time, although some music specialists may still have some as they were never popular and seldom sold. We use a copy of Thriller that we were given when playing around with some pre-production In Car SACD players years ago, but I must admit that we will too have to blow the dust off both the disc and the player, as the discs wouldn`t play in standard CD players either, one of the other reasons they never caught on.
If you are going to ask if the sound of SACD is any better? well, when compared with a standard CD recording on a standard CD player, yes, its significantly better - but if you listen to a standard CD on a 24 Bit CD player, then I would have to say that the standard CD sounds just as good - no real difference, and it was because of this reaction that the manufacturers produced a range of high end 24 bit CD players for In Car use that would play ordinary CD`s instead of developing the SACD player any further.
Now, if the gadget show compared the MP3 player with a 24bit CD player, I suspect that the final conclusion may have been very different.
Zirk, by all means come down and see us, (Essex to Paignton is a long way to hear a CD) - But as I`m quite often in Stevenage, I`m more than happy to meet up somewhere and let you have a listen sometime
Not wrong there Dave, I had it in my Head that you were Swindon Based?, never mind, but if your going to run your tests with Audison amps on Focal speakers down there, then may if you turn the Wick Up a bit I might be able to still hear it in Essex. :y
Never realised SACD were 8 years old now, how time flies, remember looking into it a couple of years back but gave up on the idea due to the lack of Material available (Audio Dat saga all over again).
Keep us posted after the tests and yea would be great to meet in the Stevenage area one Day.
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why do you lot go mad for a 20 year old system?
a moderm head unit would trounce it in every way
compaired to the stock system is is an improvement but spend a few hundred quid on speakers and a decent head unit and the bose system really starts to sound a but duff
Doug
I couldn`t agree more
Even if you could get the BOSE system to sounds its absolute best, and play it back through a set of BOSE speakers that did not show signs of having aged the last 20 years, you are still left with a system that although sounded reasonable(?) 20 years ago, does not compare in any way to any modern stereo that has evolved over the years. Audio technology has come a long way, and if you do not agree, then why are you all trying to fit iPods as well? (with the exception of TB who still likes listening to the wireless)
I know that many of you like to keep the originality of the head unit, and do not like the look of modrn ones, and I can fully accept that argument, but to faff around rewiring and adding hideaway amps for little gain really does puzzle me.
A good quality modern amplifier and a good set of modern speakers hidden away, yet powered by the existing head unit is going to blow away any BOSE system. And if you disagree and think that the BOSE is better, then I would certainly like to come and visit YOUR car audio shop for a side by side comparison.
:P
In my case, aftermarket headunit means that I have to give up my BC and carphone or remove CID and intall MID...not an option for me :(. So I decided to stay with the best there is, Siemens NCDC2015.
And to add quality I decided to have Bose also.
Lets think of the price, you won't get god quality aftermarket system inc. 8(6)speakers and amp for price of bose (~100£), you would only get more-less decent coponent speakers for rear door;D. At least in here, Estonia.
I've done wiring and I'll have my ncdc2015 programmed to Bose tomorrow and new speakers and subs in place for weekend....
I don't expect it to be "bang& olufsen" but, it's likely going to be nice quality sound after all, for it's price.....I'll confirm that later :)
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128kbit is about the standard that most programs compress to by default, there are other settings, but lets face it, who looks at anything other than the default settings? The more info you put on your MP3 player, the better it will sound.
We are going to have a play in a car with an iPod using as high a compression ratio as we can get, and will compare with a standard CD on a 24 bit player and an SACD as we have also have a player for that one also. ICE equipment will be with Audison amps on Focal speakers and also on a dedicated Clarion system as well.
Hope to have some results mid / late april
:y
Wow, I’ve yet to listen to one of those, where you going to get a decent source recorded material from? I would really be interested in coming up and being a spectator to your tests. My back ground is Electronics Engineer, Sound Engineer and Hi Fi Engineer before becoming, my lasted trade, Radio Communications Engineer.
Any chance of an invite for the tests, don’t mind travelling, (pm sent).
Gently strokes my Pioneer DV575
Great format as is DVD-Audio much better than CD
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Now, if the gadget show compared the MP3 player with a 24bit CD player, I suspect that the final conclusion may have been very different.
My home DVD player would have won that no contest - however I would go DVD Audio
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128kbit is about the standard that most programs compress to by default, there are other settings, but lets face it, who looks at anything other than the default settings? The more info you put on your MP3 player, the better it will sound.
We are going to have a play in a car with an iPod using as high a compression ratio as we can get, and will compare with a standard CD on a 24 bit player and an SACD as we have also have a player for that one also. ICE equipment will be with Audison amps on Focal speakers and also on a dedicated Clarion system as well.
Hope to have some results mid / late april
:y
I would like to see that
Bloody gaypods >:( they killed high resolution music
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Now my dream in car system would have been a FM MW LW SW DAB* for radio and the in head unit media would be MD, changer would be CD SACD DVD-A.
Pioneer have done all of those formats.
* 6 Music has a couple of good shows
Actually I have used a VCR for recording music and it was pretty good, wide dynamic range analogue
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Well for sound quality my system is quite good, I have a Sony MD head unit with an Ebay Sony changer, a Freecycle car amp of a make I cannot remember and Infinity 605CS speakers in the front doors.
It does sound good when cranked up
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Now my dream in car system would have been a FM MW LW SW DAB* for radio and the in head unit media would be MD, changer would be CD SACD DVD-A.
Pioneer have done all of those formats.
* 6 Music has a couple of good shows
Actually I have used a VCR for recording music and it was pretty good, wide dynamic range analogue
Saw a press release the other day about Pioneer, but can't remember exactly what it was about - they are either pulling out of home cinema or out of just TVs...
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Now my dream in car system would have been a FM MW LW SW DAB* for radio and the in head unit media would be MD, changer would be CD SACD DVD-A.
Pioneer have done all of those formats.
* 6 Music has a couple of good shows
Actually I have used a VCR for recording music and it was pretty good, wide dynamic range analogue
Saw a press release the other day about Pioneer, but can't remember exactly what it was about - they are either pulling out of home cinema or out of just TVs...
Out of TVs and they were my second choice brand but too much more than my W4500.
Great kit though my DVD player is excellent
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in need a little bit information. How to program NCDC 2015 to Bose mode with Tech2?
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You need to go into the NCDC2013 with Tech2 and select programming and the config programming.
Reset the varient code to:035 (it should be 034 at the moment)
Program that in and jobs a good un
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You need to go into the NCDC2013 with Tech2 and select programming and the config programming.
Reset the varient code to:035 (it should be 034 at the moment)
Program that in and jobs a good un
NCDC2011/NCDC2013/NCDC2015 is the line I believe. Its the long one just under CCRT2008...
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You need to go into the NCDC2013 with Tech2 and select programming and the config programming.
Reset the varient code to:035 (it should be 034 at the moment)
Program that in and jobs a good un
Then i did it right, don't remember what the second no. was but the last one was 4 and I changed it 1 step up to 5....so its ok and I remember that disconnected speakers faults did not come up again after reprogramming.
Is there any chart or table available for omega with codes( I allready have it for displays) for ECC, Radio ect. for everything that can be code index programmed in with Tech2?
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You need to go into the NCDC2013 with Tech2 and select programming and the config programming.
Reset the varient code to:035 (it should be 034 at the moment)
Program that in and jobs a good un
Then i did it right, don't remember what the second no. was but the last one was 4 and I changed it 1 step up to 5....so its ok and I remember that disconnected speakers faults did not come up again after reprogramming.
Is there any chart or table available for omega with codes( I allready have it for displays) for ECC, Radio ect. for everything that can be code index programmed in with Tech2?
If you have a Tech2, presumably you have TIS2000? Its all in there. It would be a big job to recreate all the programming options.
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If you have a Tech2, presumably you have TIS2000? Its all in there. It would be a big job to recreate all the programming options.
Well, I have Tis2000 in my computer, haven't found them yet..... ::)
Where can I find them?
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If you have a Tech2, presumably you have TIS2000? Its all in there. It would be a big job to recreate all the programming options.
Well, I have Tis2000 in my computer, haven't found them yet..... ::)
Where can I find them?
Service Info - Enter car details etc - all under General Car Info
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TIS gave me the following index codes for NCDC 2015:
1997-bose-025, no bose-024
2002-bose-045, no bose-044
I think I reprogrammed it from 024 to 025,
but it should be 045.
Should I let it be 025 or should I reprogram to 045? :-/
Does anybody know the difference in code index for bose between 1997 and 2002 version? :-/
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TIS gave me the following index codes for NCDC 2015:
1997-bose-025, no bose-024
2002-bose-045, no bose-044
I think I reprogrammed it from 024 to 025,
but it should be 045.
Should I let it be 025 or should I reprogram to 045? :-/
Does anybody know the difference in code index for bose between 1997 and 2002 version? :-/
Not checked, but likely it depends on the actual hardware - Ident on the info screen on T2 when it first talks to the radio...
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Well, I have my bose all set up and working. I can't say it's the ultimete sound, but i'ts way better, much cleaner compared to the standard system.
Nice, crisp and clean sond.... :y
Money well spent :)
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can anybody give me a list of omega stereos that can be connected with Bose....from '94-'04?