Omega Owners Forum
Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: Dave DND on 22 April 2008, 09:54:50
-
Dear All -
A big thanks must go to Peter (WEDS) who sent me a Vauxhall CID display to have a play with.
I think (?!) I am now able to reset the CID display back to its DELIVERY MODE so that it can then be programmed into the new car using the TECH2 programmer.
My problems is that I need a Guinea Pig to try this out on. If you have a old display that needs resetting before it can be re-used, please let me know.
If I have got this correct, it will now mean that all of those worthless and unprogrammable CID displays can now be used !!
;)
-
Dear All -
A big thanks must go to Peter (WEDS) who sent me a Vauxhall CID display to have a play with.
I think (?!) I am now able to reset the CID display back to its DELIVERY MODE so that it can then be programmed into the new car using the TECH2 programmer.
My problems is that I need a Guinea Pig to try this out on. If you have a old display that needs resetting before it can be re-used, please let me know.
If I have got this correct, it will now mean that all of those worthless and unprogrammable CID displays can now be used !!
;)
I should have one arriving this week that I can pop in the post to you Dave.
Not sure yet if its in delivery mode but, if it is, I can always config it using tech2 first.
-
Perfect! A display from someone with a Tech2 !!
Send it over, and see if its in delievery mode when I send it back and that you can then program it into a car
:y
-
I have a CID and a NCDC2013, sitting in a box, which came from (together) an Vectra C. Its heading for my MV6 FaceLift, when ever I can get my hands on the extra lead at the back.
I know these units where not de paired (put in delivery mode) but fairly sure no need as there not been split.
If you want, you can play with these (I actually need the 2013 put in Bose mode at some stage???).
Let me know.
Chris.
-
Chris,
Thanks for the offer, but if you have a matched pair then I would leave well alone, just in case !!
I`m fairly certain that the BOSE mode is programmed via Tech2
-
Chris,
Thanks for the offer, but if you have a matched pair then I would leave well alone, just in case !!
I`m fairly certain that the BOSE mode is programmed via Tech2
Yes, it is part of the varient coding in the NCDC programmed by Tech2
Interestingly, the NCDC2013 upper section appears to be much the same as the single din units in the vectra etc, the lower 4 disc changer does have differences to that of the sme section on the CCR2006.
Dave, can you get hold of KSS601A optical pickups as fitted in the 4 disc changers......they appear to be obsolete from my research.
The one in my NCDC had failed so swapped it from a scrapper I had but would be interested to know the availabilty
-
Dave, can you get hold of KSS601A optical pickups as fitted in the 4 disc changers......they appear to be obsolete from my research.
Haven`t seen one of those for years - but thinking about it, can`t recall any another In Car Product that uses them either?
have you tried Siemens VDO, Gravelly Park, Birmingham? :-/
-
Dave, can you get hold of KSS601A optical pickups as fitted in the 4 disc changers......they appear to be obsolete from my research.
The one in my NCDC had failed so swapped it from a scrapper I had but would be interested to know the availabilty
Is the 4 CD Autochanger on the NCDC2013/15 basically a CDC3?
-
Dave, can you get hold of KSS601A optical pickups as fitted in the 4 disc changers......they appear to be obsolete from my research.
The one in my NCDC had failed so swapped it from a scrapper I had but would be interested to know the availabilty
Is the 4 CD Autochanger on the NCDC2013/15 basically a CDC3?
The mechanism and optical pickup is.
-
Dave, can you get hold of KSS601A optical pickups as fitted in the 4 disc changers......they appear to be obsolete from my research.
Haven`t seen one of those for years - but thinking about it, can`t recall any another In Car Product that uses them either?
have you tried Siemens VDO, Gravelly Park, Birmingham? :-/
No but, I will give them a buzz.
-
Is the 4 CD Autochanger on the NCDC2013/15 basically a CDC3?
Apart from the obvious fascia differences, the only difference between the CDC3, and the Four disc changer as used on CCR2006 and the NCDC range is the Vertical PCB that runs the length of the changer on the right hand side. This board also controls the protocols, so if you want to swap a unit over, swap this board and the code / protocols will remain the same.
:y
-
Cheers! I knew it was in the CCR2006 but wasn't sure on the NCDR range. :y
-
Cheers! I knew it was in the CCR2006 but wasn't sure on the NCDR range. :y
The vertical PCB is also different between the CCR2006 and NCDC's.....although Dave might have already said this!
-
any news about reseting a CID?
-
any news about reseting a CID?
Not for the Vectra, No
Wrong forum !!
-
If its a Vectra B then its the same CID as Astra F and Omega
-
If its a Vectra B then its the same CID as Astra F and Omega
Interesting. I have tried the "dump" we have on other Omega displays, and it appears to work well. However, the Vectra B didn`t accept it.
Have you had success with that then? :-/
-
If its a Vectra B then its the same CID as Astra F and Omega
Interesting. I have tried the "dump" we have on other Omega displays, and it appears to work well. However, the Vectra B didn`t accept it.
Have you had success with that then? :-/
The CID I currently run came from a Vectra B and was re-programmed with the file and works fine.
Its a bit of a apin having to lift the device to program it with the pony prog though
-
If its a Vectra B then its the same CID as Astra F and Omega
Interesting. I have tried the "dump" we have on other Omega displays, and it appears to work well. However, the Vectra B didn`t accept it.
Have you had success with that then? :-/
The CID I currently run came from a Vectra B and was re-programmed with the file and works fine.
Its a bit of a apin having to lift the device to program it with the pony prog though
yes, I know the displays are the same for both cars, but when i tried the dump in the display fitted back into a Vectra (not an Omega) it would not accept it.
I`m wondering more along the lines of a protocol change between vehicles, and if the dump we have is restricted to Omega useage only?
-
Let me check the code index programming....
-
Scrtratch that as the code index settings will be different
There is also a mode select pin on pin 1 of the main connector on the CID which certainly needs connecting to 0v on the Omega and is open on the Astra. The SCM's also sudgets its grounded for the Vectra to.
I know (from bitter experience) that if this pin is not grounded then the display wont communicate.
Athough that should not be an issue for a display going into a car with factory fit wiring, it would cuase an issue on a later fit setup.
-
So if I understand correctly, the dump may be the same, but a hardware or wiring confirguration is required on pin 1 dependant on vehicle?
-
So if I understand correctly, the dump may be the same, but a hardware or wiring confirguration is required on pin 1 dependant on vehicle?
Yep.
The Astra G has pin 1 left open (I assume there is an internal pull up) and on the Omega and Vectra Pin 1 requires tying to 0V.
If you dont do this it affcts the protocol interface used and Tech2 wont talk to it :y
-
Thanks
:y
-
MDTM is correct about that pin - I left mine disconnected (I had to modify my loom for CID), and although the radio will pair up to the CID (which it does via CAN), tech 2 wont talk directly to it (via diag line). Connect it to 0v, and Tech2 can now use diag line.
Same goes for GID and for CCRT display (not that the later is paired)
-
MDTM is correct about that pin - I left mine disconnected (I had to modify my loom for CID), and although the radio will pair up to the CID (which it does via CAN), tech 2 wont talk directly to it (via diag line). Connect it to 0v, and Tech2 can now use diag line.
Same goes for GID and for CCRT display (not that the later is paired)
Thats exactly the problem I was having :y
I just assumed an incompatability with the dump
-
If you remove an NCDC 2013 along with the display and re-fit them both together to another car do they need de-pairing?
Dave.
-
If you remove an NCDC 2013 along with the display and re-fit them both together to another car do they need de-pairing?
Dave.
No, the headunit and display are mated to each other so can be moved about as a 'married couple' ;D
-
If you remove an NCDC 2013 along with the display and re-fit them both together to another car do they need de-pairing?
Dave.
No, the headunit and display are mated to each other so can be moved about as a 'married couple' ;D
Or technically, a menage a trois, seeing as the cd changer is involved as well.
Simply put, if all parts of the following components, if fitted, are kept together, its fine :y
Head Unit (top half of headunit on ncdc201x series)
Display
CD Changer (bottom half of HU on ncdc201x series)
Telematics
-
If you remove an NCDC 2013 along with the display and re-fit them both together to another car do they need de-pairing?
Dave.
No, the headunit and display are mated to each other so can be moved about as a 'married couple' ;D
Or technically, a menage a trois, seeing as the cd changer is involved as well.
Simply put, if all parts of the following components, if fitted, are kept together, its fine :y
Head Unit (top half of headunit on ncdc201x series)
Display
CD Changer (bottom half of HU on ncdc201x series)
Telematics
One thing to bear in mind is the display unit will require programming if you wish the fuel computer to be accurate and various vehicle specific options to be reported properly, so items like what transmission, engine size, wheel size, HID's present etc
-
If you remove an NCDC 2013 along with the display and re-fit them both together to another car do they need de-pairing?
Dave.
No, the headunit and display are mated to each other so can be moved about as a 'married couple' ;D
Or technically, a menage a trois, seeing as the cd changer is involved as well.
Simply put, if all parts of the following components, if fitted, are kept together, its fine :y
Head Unit (top half of headunit on ncdc201x series)
Display
CD Changer (bottom half of HU on ncdc201x series)
Telematics
One thing to bear in mind is the display unit will require programming if you wish the fuel computer to be accurate and various vehicle specific options to be reported properly, so items like what transmission, engine size, wheel size, HID's present etc
Yes, but this programming does not require the depairing code :)
-
Thanks guys, just wondering as when I get them to break it would be easier then to sell them as a set and then I don't need to get anyone to de-pair them and the customer who purchses them can fit them without the need to re-pair them.
Another quick one, i've got a 2013 here but it doesn't have a colour or graphic display it just has the basic smaller display fitted. Is that normal?
Thanks, Dave.
-
Thanks guys, just wondering as when I get them to break it would be easier then to sell them as a set and then I don't need to get anyone to de-pair them and the customer who purchses them can fit them without the need to re-pair them.
Another quick one, i've got a 2013 here but it doesn't have a colour or graphic display it just has the basic smaller display fitted. Is that normal?
Thanks, Dave.
The GID (Graphic Info Display) is only half height on the Omega....
-
Thanks guys, just wondering as when I get them to break it would be easier then to sell them as a set and then I don't need to get anyone to de-pair them and the customer who purchses them can fit them without the need to re-pair them.
Another quick one, i've got a 2013 here but it doesn't have a colour or graphic display it just has the basic smaller display fitted. Is that normal?
Thanks, Dave.
Easiest answer is to sell as a pair and give the car pass to the new owner of the kit or at least the immobiliser code, then one of OOF's highly trained Tech II experts can help in the future! :y ;D
-
Cool, cheers for the help :y
Dave.
-
Dear All -
A big thanks must go to Peter (WEDS) who sent me a Vauxhall CID display to have a play with.
I think (?!) I am now able to reset the CID display back to its DELIVERY MODE so that it can then be programmed into the new car using the TECH2 programmer.
My problems is that I need a Guinea Pig to try this out on. If you have a old display that needs resetting before it can be re-used, please let me know.
If I have got this correct, it will now mean that all of those worthless and unprogrammable CID displays can now be used !!
;)
What's the charge for depairing the CID - have a spare one which is split from its head unit, it works fine no display faults just after a few seconds comes up safe, so suspect needs depairing ready to use. But I've got no way to check after, is it best waiting until someone with a tech2 gets this checked?. I would sell the spare unit on as already have one in my miggy. Regards