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Title: traction control question
Post by: EX-MET 3.0 on 29 November 2009, 20:09:20
hi guys i have just brought a ex met elite

the problem is its an auto and when i pull away quick the wheels spin tc light flashes on the dash and the engine bogs down

BUT i havent got a tc switch in the car!

iv been told it should be in the row with the hazzards ect

but theres only 1 space the isnt filler its between the drivers side heated seat and the eco switch and its got no wires going to the back of it

but there is also a space next to the stereo and i not sure if its ment to go there ??

any help would be much appriceated

Dan
Title: Re: traction control question
Post by: Andy B on 29 November 2009, 20:16:50
Ho old is your 'new' car? If it's an earlier car than the the TC is next to the radio (left of) later MINI facelift (still prefacelift) cars - radio controls on the steering wheel - the TC is on the row above - next to ECO ???
and I've no idea where it should be on a later facelift car  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: traction control question
Post by: Del Boy on 29 November 2009, 20:17:17
Being ex-police it should have a TC switch, what year is the car?
Title: Re: traction control question
Post by: Andy B on 29 November 2009, 20:18:21
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Being ex-police it should have a TC switch, what year is the car?

V6 or not decides whether it will have TC ... not its previous owner!  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: traction control question
Post by: EX-MET 3.0 on 29 November 2009, 20:26:52
its a 1997 r reg its a prefacelift but its got steering wheel controls and xenons so im guessin its a mini facelift

the bit next to the stereo is missing so im not sure what should be there but there is a plug there


if poss would some 1 be able to take a pic of the plug on the tc switch that is next to the stereo just to compare to the plug on mine

but if it should be in the row with the hazzards any ideas why i aint got any wires goin there
Title: Re: traction control question
Post by: Andy B on 29 November 2009, 20:33:34
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its a 1997 r reg its a prefacelift but its got steering wheel controls and xenons so im guessin its a mini facelift

the bit next to the stereo is missing so im not sure what should be there but there is a plug there


if poss would some 1 be able to take a pic of the plug on the tc switch that is next to the stereo just to compare to the plug on mine

but if it should be in the row with the hazzards any ideas why i aint got any wires goin there


If your car is the mini facelift, then the space to the leftof the stereo is for the sat-nav screen when fitted. Your TC should be above, and being a mini facelift is the least common switch.  :(

Have alook through this blokes site (I'm sure someone will recognise his car  ::)) and you'll find a picture of the centre console (it won't allow me to right click  ;)) and you'll see a picture of the switches & the space to the left of the radio  :y
http://www.megaomega.co.uk/
Title: Re: traction control question
Post by: tunnie on 29 November 2009, 20:36:52
quite a few ex-police cars have the TC buttons removed!
Title: Re: traction control question
Post by: EX-MET 3.0 on 29 November 2009, 20:41:31
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quite a few ex-police cars have the TC buttons removed!


iv been told this before but they wouldbt remove the wires would they
Title: Re: traction control question
Post by: hotel21 on 29 November 2009, 20:43:56
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quite a few ex-police cars have the TC buttons removed!


iv been told this before but they wouldbt remove the wires would they

Depends on how brutal the techs were!  Either side cutters through the wiring and taped up or switch removed.  Dash area then reassigned to an alternate purpose - vascar, force radio or whatever - and bits removed at decommissioning and subsequent sale to Joseph E. Public......
Title: Re: traction control question
Post by: EX-MET 3.0 on 29 November 2009, 20:46:58
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quite a few ex-police cars have the TC buttons removed!


iv been told this before but they wouldbt remove the wires would they

Depends on how brutal the techs were!  Either side cutters through the wiring and taped up or switch removed.  Dash area then reassigned to an alternate purpose - vascar, force radio or whatever - and bits removed at decommissioning and subsequent sale to Joseph E. Public......


iv taken the surround off and traced the wites and i cant find any cut wires any were

so if they have taken them out they did it properly


Title: Re: traction control question
Post by: Dave DND on 29 November 2009, 22:56:03
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so if they have taken them out they did it properly

Doubt it . . .  Plod never modify these properly - always a bodge in there somewhere. If you think that your car was modified "carefully" instead of with tape and cutters, then your car is very unique and unlike any other plod car here on Oof.

 :-X
Title: Re: traction control question
Post by: tunnie on 29 November 2009, 23:04:49
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quite a few ex-police cars have the TC buttons removed!


iv been told this before but they wouldbt remove the wires would they

Depends on how brutal the techs were!  Either side cutters through the wiring and taped up or switch removed.  Dash area then reassigned to an alternate purpose - vascar, force radio or whatever - and bits removed at decommissioning and subsequent sale to Joseph E. Public......


iv taken the surround off and traced the wites and i cant find any cut wires any were

so if they have taken them out they did it properly




The belief that police mechanics are careful, is somewhat of a myth, as described by some former police members here.
Title: Re: traction control question
Post by: Andy B on 29 November 2009, 23:14:01
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quite a few ex-police cars have the TC buttons removed!


iv been told this before but they wouldbt remove the wires would they

Depends on how brutal the techs were!  Either side cutters through the wiring and taped up or switch removed.  Dash area then reassigned to an alternate purpose - vascar, force radio or whatever - and bits removed at decommissioning and subsequent sale to Joseph E. Public......


iv taken the surround off and traced the wites and i cant find any cut wires any were

so if they have taken them out they did it properly




The belief that police mechanics are careful, is somewhat of a myth, as described by some former police members here.

I don't think it's the mechanics (it seems that most maintenance work is farmed out these days - my local dealer has loads of Police cars on their forecourt waiting for/been through service) that's the problem. It's the 'One careful owner' that's te problem. The local dealer's part's lads say that Plod can get through £1000's worth of DM flywheel in no time!  ::)  ::) Dropping the clutch is easy when some oneelse will pick up the tab!   :-?  :-?
Title: Re: traction control question
Post by: tunnie on 29 November 2009, 23:17:32
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quite a few ex-police cars have the TC buttons removed!


iv been told this before but they wouldbt remove the wires would they

Depends on how brutal the techs were!  Either side cutters through the wiring and taped up or switch removed.  Dash area then reassigned to an alternate purpose - vascar, force radio or whatever - and bits removed at decommissioning and subsequent sale to Joseph E. Public......


iv taken the surround off and traced the wites and i cant find any cut wires any were

so if they have taken them out they did it properly




The belief that police mechanics are careful, is somewhat of a myth, as described by some former police members here.

I don't think it's the mechanics (it seems that most maintenance work is farmed out these days - my local dealer has loads of Police cars on their forecourt waiting for/been through service) that's the problem. It's the 'One careful owner' that's te problem. The local dealer's part's lads say that Plod can get through £1000's worth of DM flywheel in no time!  ::)  ::) Dropping the clutch is easy when some oneelse will pick up the tab!   :-?  :-?

No doubt they farm it off to the cheapest out source contract they can find  :(

Remember seeing on Road Wars an Omega got a light impact on front, and they said they only just got i back, so i can believe it.

I look forward to targeted EMP's which can take out the scumbags  8-)
Title: Re: traction control question
Post by: Andy B on 29 November 2009, 23:24:17
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I look forward to targeted EMP's which can take out the scumbags  8-)

can you down load one of them?  :-?  :-?
WTF is an EMP?  :-/  :-/  ;)
Title: Re: traction control question
Post by: tunnie on 29 November 2009, 23:39:48
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I look forward to targeted EMP's which can take out the scumbags  8-)

can you down load one of them?  :-?  :-?
WTF is an EMP?  :-/  :-/  ;)

Electromagnetic pulse, you not watched any films?  ;D

Seriously, they are the modern nuke. They take out all electrics on any device within the range of the device. It goes bag and within a certain range, it will fry any electrical device.

Currently they are rather large and can't really be targeted, but given time, i can genuinely see a gun of some type fitted to plod cars in 20 years time. Just target, and fire, will kill the cars electrics.

Some more info here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse 
Title: Re: traction control question
Post by: Dave DND on 29 November 2009, 23:46:34
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I look forward to targeted EMP's which can take out the scumbags  8-)

can you down load one of them?  :-?  :-?
WTF is an EMP?  :-/  :-/  ;)

Electromagnetic pulse, you not watched any films?  ;D

Seriously, they are the modern nuke. They take out all electrics on any device within the range of the device. It goes bag and within a certain range, it will fry any electrical device.

Currently they are rather large and can't really be targeted, but given time, i can genuinely see a gun of some type fitted to plod cars in 20 years time. Just target, and fire, will kill the cars electrics.

Some more info here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse 

So which is scarier ?

EMP ?  or giving it to Plod in years to come?   :o
Title: Re: traction control question
Post by: tunnie on 29 November 2009, 23:49:22
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I look forward to targeted EMP's which can take out the scumbags  8-)

can you down load one of them?  :-?  :-?
WTF is an EMP?  :-/  :-/  ;)

Electromagnetic pulse, you not watched any films?  ;D

Seriously, they are the modern nuke. They take out all electrics on any device within the range of the device. It goes bag and within a certain range, it will fry any electrical device.

Currently they are rather large and can't really be targeted, but given time, i can genuinely see a gun of some type fitted to plod cars in 20 years time. Just target, and fire, will kill the cars electrics.

Some more info here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse 

So which is scarier ?

EMP ?  or giving it to Plod in years to come?   :o

Both  ;D

But i think it will happen eventually.
Title: Re: traction control question
Post by: Andy B on 30 November 2009, 00:05:51
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I look forward to targeted EMP's which can take out the scumbags  8-)

can you down load one of them?  :-?  :-?
WTF is an EMP?  :-/  :-/  ;)

Electromagnetic pulse, you not watched any films?  ;D

Seriously, they are the modern nuke. They take out all electrics on any device within the range of the device. It goes bag and within a certain range, it will fry any electrical device.

Currently they are rather large and can't really be targeted, but given time, i can genuinely see a gun of some type fitted to plod cars in 20 years time. Just target, and fire, will kill the cars electrics.

Some more info here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse 

If we just drive an old mechanical diseasal than, we'll be OK!   ;D   ;D
Title: Re: traction control question
Post by: Dave DND on 30 November 2009, 06:30:20
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I look forward to targeted EMP's which can take out the scumbags  8-)

can you down load one of them?  :-?  :-?
WTF is an EMP?  :-/  :-/  ;)

Electromagnetic pulse, you not watched any films?  ;D

Seriously, they are the modern nuke. They take out all electrics on any device within the range of the device. It goes bag and within a certain range, it will fry any electrical device.

Currently they are rather large and can't really be targeted, but given time, i can genuinely see a gun of some type fitted to plod cars in 20 years time. Just target, and fire, will kill the cars electrics.

Some more info here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse 

If we just drive an old mechanical diseasal than, we'll be OK!   ;D   ;D

Only if in 20 years time you don`t have a pacemaker and hearing aid

 ;D
Title: Re: traction control question
Post by: Kevin Wood on 30 November 2009, 10:02:29
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I look forward to targeted EMP's which can take out the scumbags  8-)

can you down load one of them?  :-?  :-?
WTF is an EMP?  :-/  :-/  ;)

Electromagnetic pulse, you not watched any films?  ;D

Seriously, they are the modern nuke. They take out all electrics on any device within the range of the device. It goes bag and within a certain range, it will fry any electrical device.

Currently they are rather large and can't really be targeted, but given time, i can genuinely see a gun of some type fitted to plod cars in 20 years time. Just target, and fire, will kill the cars electrics.

Some more info here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse 

If we just drive an old mechanical diseasal than, we'll be OK!   ;D   ;D

Only if in 20 years time you don`t have a pacemaker and hearing aid

 ;D

Exactly. I can see nanny state fitting a remote controlled kill switch to every new car eventually, though. I've always said buying new cars is a mug's game.  ;D

EDIT: Also remember that most of a car's electronics is inside a Faraday cage, so it might not work as well as Hollywood imagines!

Kevin
Title: Re: traction control question
Post by: omegadan67 on 01 December 2009, 21:30:35
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its a 1997 r reg its a prefacelift but its got steering wheel controls and xenons so im guessin its a mini facelift

the bit next to the stereo is missing so im not sure what should be there but there is a plug there


if poss would some 1 be able to take a pic of the plug on the tc switch that is next to the stereo just to compare to the plug on mine

but if it should be in the row with the hazzards any ideas why i aint got any wires goin there


given the year i would have thought it would be the big button next to the radio,also if the tc light is flashing and the revs drop when the wheels start to spin the switch has been bypassed so you cant turn tc off,or is my line of thinking off the radar.

if however the switch should be withthe hazards there should be tell tell signs which wire/wires have been played with imho
Title: Re: traction control question
Post by: I_want_an_Omega on 02 December 2009, 16:45:52
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Exactly. I can see nanny state fitting a remote controlled kill switch to every new car eventually, though. I've always said buying new cars is a mug's game.  ;D



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But someone has to buy them - otherwise where would the supply of used cars come from?
Title: Re: traction control question
Post by: Kevin Wood on 02 December 2009, 17:14:40
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But someone has to buy them - otherwise where would the supply of used cars come from?

Can you see us running out of mugs any time soon?  ;)

Kevin
Title: Re: traction control question
Post by: Dave DND on 02 December 2009, 18:03:17
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Can you see us running out of mugs any time soon?  ;)

Yep, happens here every tea break !!

 ;D ;D ;D