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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: unlucky mark mv6 on 31 January 2010, 13:27:27
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Can i fit a bose system from a 3.0 elite facelift into my 02 plate mv6,and if so what exactly do i need,is it just the speakers,amp and wiring or do i need the stereo aswell. ;)
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What`s wrong with what you got, Bose is over-hyped :P
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What`s wrong with what you got, Bose is over-hyped :P
Nothing really rob,just got the chance to whip one out of an elite down the scrappy for a few quid ::),along with sunblind and parcel shelf. :y
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Personal opinion, but bose is by no means overhyped. My bose system in my elite is fantastic!
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So can i still keep the stereo whats in now,and what will i need to rip out the donar car?
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The std MV6 radio - cdr2005 is not boseable. Many MV6 have ccr2006, the majority of these can be set to bose via tech2.
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Did you get my PM mark?
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The std MV6 radio - cdr2005 is not boseable. Many MV6 have ccr2006, the majority of these can be set to bose via tech2.
mine is ccr 2006,and is there anything else attatched to the loom i need to know about,you know what its like working on a car in the scrappy. ::) :y
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Be carefull though....I have a Sony Xplod running through the BOSE speakers and I had to change those in the doors. They aren't all that powerfull in reality and after a month or so...they started to play up with the Sony...They aren't man enough basically with a good aftermarket head unit it would appear..
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Be carefull though....I have a Sony Xplod running through the BOSE speakers and I had to change those in the doors. They aren't all that powerfull in reality and after a month or so...they started to play up with the Sony...They aren't man enough basically with a good aftermarket head unit it would appear..
Not planning on changing the head unit duggs,but was thinking of connecting some rca outputs to it with a single sub an amp in the boot,and turning all the bass of the door speakers.Dont think ill bother with the bose then anyway,probably best to whip it all out and sell it on. ;)
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Another question :D,when i rip the loom out,does that mean it runs into each door to connect to the speakers or is it just direct from the boot to kick panel. :-/
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Personal opinion, but bose is by no means overhyped. My bose system in my elite is fantastic!
Totaly agree - Bose in the Elite is much better than the stereo in the MV6.
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Personal opinion, but bose is by no means overhyped. My bose system in my elite is fantastic!
Totaly agree - Bose in the Elite is much better than the stereo in the MV6.
Indeed it is, (mini facelift). With help from a certain ex member my MV6 was upgraded to bose & loads better for it. The original would pop speakers as did my old 2.5 cd. The Bose can take full pelt without popping or distortion but it is a bigger job than head units & speakers which is why we did it when fitting the recaro leather as all the wiring needs changing for the cd changer, amp etc.
Some say bose is'nt the best & if you go aftermarket you can get much louder & more bass but for me i'm happy with Elite sounds in my MV6, Bose have a certain clarity to them & you retain your dash display & steering wheel controls. :y
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The std MV6 radio - cdr2005 is not boseable. Many MV6 have ccr2006, the majority of these can be set to bose via tech2.
mine is ccr 2006,and is there anything else attatched to the loom i need to know about,you know what its like working on a car in the scrappy. ::) :y
Not all CCR2006 can be set to Bose - there are 2 main revisions, but not possible to tell which you have. Needs a Tech2 to convert to Bose, so probably better getting HU as well.
You need:
Possibly HU?
loom from HU to kick panel
loom from kick panel to shelf
shelf
6 main bose speakers (4 door, and either 2 parcel shelf subs (saloon) or the double sub (estate))
bose amp
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Be carefull though....I have a Sony Xplod running through the BOSE speakers and I had to change those in the doors. They aren't all that powerfull in reality and after a month or so...they started to play up with the Sony...They aren't man enough basically with a good aftermarket head unit it would appear..
I would say its more likely the crappy Sony wasn't man enough ;)
The Bose speakers are too low impedence for the Sony.
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Well I won't agree TheBoy with this last statement.
I know Bose is 2 ohm impedance and sony HU is definitely 4 ohm imp.
But if it is i high level Sony unit it will give some 27 watts rms per channel on 4 ohms.
If you use it on 2 ohm speakers the power will double to 54 watts rms per channel theoretically.
It wont work well but can easily blow out old Bose speakers which cannot stand that amount of power either beacuse of age, design, etc.
BUT I also agree this isn't the way to go.
If you have Bose speakers and aftermarket HU throw them away and get a decent new pair of speakers
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Well I won't agree TheBoy with this last statement.
I know Bose is 2 ohm impedance and sony HU is definitely 4 ohm imp.
But if it is i high level Sony unit it will give some 27 watts rms per channel on 4 ohms.
If you use it on 2 ohm speakers the power will double to 54 watts rms per channel theoretically.
It wont work well but can easily blow out old Bose speakers which cannot stand that amount of power either beacuse of age, design, etc.
BUT I also agree this isn't the way to go.
If you have Bose speakers and aftermarket HU throw them away and get a decent new pair of speakers
Not disputing your Ohms law calculations, but you are forgetting a major thing here.
If you put a 2 Ohm load on a Sony it will cause problems, often terminal. Irrespective of what the thing should do on paper, the Sony is ONLY designed to run at 4 Ohms.
Secondly - the output of the Sony when running correctly is vastly greater than the paper cones fitted to the Omega. The Ist generation Vauxhall speakers were raed at 8 Watts max, second generation rated at 15 Watts (common on the Omega) and when you consider that the Sony probably has a 50 Watt output, it doesn`t take a genuis to work out that the stereo can only operate at less than 20% of its capability before something goes bang.
2 very Basic car audio guidelines that are often disputed by the customer and then proven very quickly, at great expense..
1: Standard speakers are rated at a very low power, and if replacing the head unit with a high power (25W+), then the speakers MUST also be replaced to a comparitive output rating.
2: Vauxhall BOSE equipment IS NOT comaptable with ANY aftermarket head unit without the use of a complex interface to balance the audio signals.
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Well I won't agree TheBoy with this last statement.
I know Bose is 2 ohm impedance and sony HU is definitely 4 ohm imp.
But if it is i high level Sony unit it will give some 27 watts rms per channel on 4 ohms.
If you use it on 2 ohm speakers the power will double to 54 watts rms per channel theoretically.
It wont work well but can easily blow out old Bose speakers which cannot stand that amount of power either beacuse of age, design, etc.
BUT I also agree this isn't the way to go.
If you have Bose speakers and aftermarket HU throw them away and get a decent new pair of speakers
No, the sony amp will either self destruct, or go into shutdown :)
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beaten by Dave DND :-[
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Well I won't agree TheBoy with this last statement.
I know Bose is 2 ohm impedance and sony HU is definitely 4 ohm imp.
But if it is i high level Sony unit it will give some 27 watts rms per channel on 4 ohms.
If you use it on 2 ohm speakers the power will double to 54 watts rms per channel theoretically.
It wont work well but can easily blow out old Bose speakers which cannot stand that amount of power either beacuse of age, design, etc.
BUT I also agree this isn't the way to go.
If you have Bose speakers and aftermarket HU throw them away and get a decent new pair of speakers
No, the sony amp will either self destruct, or go into shutdown :)
None of the aftermarket head units are 2 Ohm compatable and the Sony is the most sensitive of the lot.
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Not disputing your Ohms law calculations, but you are forgetting a major thing here.
If you put a 2 Ohm load on a Sony it will cause problems, often terminal. Irrespective of what the thing should do on paper, the Sony is ONLY designed to run at 4 Ohms.
Secondly - the output of the Sony when running correctly is vastly greater than the paper cones fitted to the Omega. The Ist generation Vauxhall speakers were raed at 8 Watts max, second generation rated at 15 Watts (common on the Omega) and when you consider that the Sony probably has a 50 Watt output, it doesn`t take a genuis to work out that the stereo can only operate at less than 20% of its capability before something goes bang.
I agree with everything you said Dave.
But only wanted to say that probably the speakers will go bang before the HU.
As for the speakers comparative output rating from memory when I wasn't sleeping during college classes ;D the speakers should be at least 30% more powerful than the amp running them to be on the safe side.
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beaten by Dave DND :-[
Yep dave is the man who should know. ::)
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But only wanted to say that probably the speakers will go bang before the HU
generally yes, speakers go bang first, closely followed by head unit
With the exception of Sony - head unit can go bang way before speakers due to exceptionally low build quality nowadays. Even Sony seem to be admitting a serious issue, as rumour has it that they are planning to pull out of car audio completely in the very near future.
the speakers should be at least 30% more powerful than the amp running them to be on the safe side
A good margin - but remember not to go too high in power either. no point in 1000W speakers on a 20W head unit !!
As a rough guide a 50W head unit can happily run speakers around 90~200 Watts - anything over that and you should really start to look at a seperate amp.
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Back to the original question in hand.
My views on BOSE are well known on this forum, and whilst a considerable upgrade 20 years ago when compared with the standard setup, it has not stood the test of time, and speaker / audio technology have move forwards in Giat leaps.
I also appreciate the requirement to keep the car looking original, but unless you are a real anal purist, that probably does not include the bits you cannot see (tune up bits, exhausts, suspension mods etc) in fact all the little tweaks you have made to make the car so much better nowadays, I really wouldnt bother with the BOSE.
By all means fit the head unit, screens, telematics etc, but for a really good sound, fit a very small four channel amp, something that can be hidden away in a cubby hole, and fit a good set of aftermarket speakers.
That way, you can retain the physical appearance of the car, but have the ability of blowing people away with the sound quality, especially those who still feel that BOSE has a place in the 21st century !!
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By all means fit the head unit, screens, telematics etc, but for a really good sound, fit a very small four channel amp, something that can be hidden away in a cubby hole, and fit a good set of aftermarket speakers.
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Agreed. This is what I did. 15 quid Alpine amp from Ebay (OK, did have to change a pair of MOSFETs that the DPO blew up). ::)
Hid the amp in the first aid box cubby hole instead of having that huge shelf invading the boot. Gets more airflow for cooling there anyway.
Reasonable pair of 6.5" aftermarket component speakers in the front doors and it sounds much better. Haven't even bothered to change the rear door speakers or fit parcel shelf speakers but I have 2 spare channels on the amp just in case.
Kevin
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By all means fit the head unit, screens, telematics etc, but for a really good sound, fit a very small four channel amp, something that can be hidden away in a cubby hole, and fit a good set of aftermarket speakers.
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Agreed. This is what I did. 15 quid Alpine amp from Ebay (OK, did have to change a pair of MOSFETs that the DPO blew up). ::)
Hid the amp in the first aid box cubby hole instead of having that huge shelf invading the boot. Gets more airflow for cooling there anyway.
Reasonable pair of 6.5" aftermarket component speakers in the front doors and it sounds much better. Haven't even bothered to change the rear door speakers or fit parcel shelf speakers but I have 2 spare channels on the amp just in case.
Kevin
Might have to fit a couple of new speakers myself, passenger front has a bit of fatigue which can be heard at times. Just replacing the stock head unit to Alpine (9854R) in my case made a huge difference.
I always prefered the look and sound of Bose fit, but requirement for Aux in over rulled asthetics.
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By all means fit the head unit, screens, telematics etc, but for a really good sound, fit a very small four channel amp, something that can be hidden away in a cubby hole, and fit a good set of aftermarket speakers.
;)
Agreed. This is what I did. 15 quid Alpine amp from Ebay (OK, did have to change a pair of MOSFETs that the DPO blew up). ::)
Hid the amp in the first aid box cubby hole instead of having that huge shelf invading the boot. Gets more airflow for cooling there anyway.
Reasonable pair of 6.5" aftermarket component speakers in the front doors and it sounds much better. Haven't even bothered to change the rear door speakers or fit parcel shelf speakers but I have 2 spare channels on the amp just in case.
Kevin
Might have to fit a couple of new speakers myself, passenger front has a bit of fatigue which can be heard at times. Just replacing the stock head unit to Alpine (9854R) in my case made a huge difference.
I always prefered the look and sound of Bose fit, but requirement for Aux in over rulled asthetics.
If you really wanted the Bose setup (for whatever reason), you still have option of FM mods, Dave DND assures me that some of the better ones are actually quite good now :y
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By all means fit the head unit, screens, telematics etc, but for a really good sound, fit a very small four channel amp, something that can be hidden away in a cubby hole, and fit a good set of aftermarket speakers.
;)
Agreed. This is what I did. 15 quid Alpine amp from Ebay (OK, did have to change a pair of MOSFETs that the DPO blew up). ::)
Hid the amp in the first aid box cubby hole instead of having that huge shelf invading the boot. Gets more airflow for cooling there anyway.
Reasonable pair of 6.5" aftermarket component speakers in the front doors and it sounds much better. Haven't even bothered to change the rear door speakers or fit parcel shelf speakers but I have 2 spare channels on the amp just in case.
Kevin
Might have to fit a couple of new speakers myself, passenger front has a bit of fatigue which can be heard at times. Just replacing the stock head unit to Alpine (9854R) in my case made a huge difference.
I always prefered the look and sound of Bose fit, but requirement for Aux in over rulled asthetics.
If you really wanted the Bose setup (for whatever reason), you still have option of FM mods, Dave DND assures me that some of the better ones are actually quite good now :y
I'll be willing to give them both a try if someone will make that adaptor loom for 2013's ::)
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TB - a question for you regarding the CCR2006 / NCDCXXX
Knowing that not all NON-BOSE variants are able to have BOSE enabled via Tech2, can all of the BOSE-ENABLED ones have the BOSE turned off ?
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I'll be willing to give them both a try if someone will make that adaptor loom for 2013's
FM adaptor loom not required for ANY head unit - all you need is a 12V supply - no connections to head unit or antenna are necessary
http://www.dndservices.co.uk/am-88t.html
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I'll be willing to give them both a try if someone will make that adaptor loom for 2013's
FM adaptor loom not required for ANY head unit - all you need is a 12V supply - no connections to head unit or antenna are necessary
http://www.dndservices.co.uk/am-88t.html
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Sorry, this is the loom to make my poverty spec CD speak to the 2013 Siemens units.
I used a wired FM modulator in my old Mondeo, worked very well. But the manual switch to cut it in was a pain, be nice if it was auto (which i understand new ones are)
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I'll be willing to give them both a try if someone will make that adaptor loom for 2013's
FM adaptor loom not required for ANY head unit - all you need is a 12V supply - no connections to head unit or antenna are necessary
http://www.dndservices.co.uk/am-88t.html
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Sorry, this is the loom to make my poverty spec CD speak to the 2013 Siemens units.
I used a wired FM modulator in my old Mondeo, worked very well. But the manual switch to cut it in was a pain, be nice if it was auto (which i understand new ones are)
No, the new ones still require a switch, but if you select a frequency that is not interfered with by the radio stations you listen to, you can use the electric aerial output wire to switch it on and control it. May take a bit of experimenting with the radio frequencies, but certainly possible.
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I'll be willing to give them both a try if someone will make that adaptor loom for 2013's
FM adaptor loom not required for ANY head unit - all you need is a 12V supply - no connections to head unit or antenna are necessary
http://www.dndservices.co.uk/am-88t.html
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Sorry, this is the loom to make my poverty spec CD speak to the 2013 Siemens units.
I used a wired FM modulator in my old Mondeo, worked very well. But the manual switch to cut it in was a pain, be nice if it was auto (which i understand new ones are)
No, the new ones still require a switch, but if you select a frequency that is not interfered with by the radio stations you listen to, you can use the electric aerial output wire to switch it on and control it. May take a bit of experimenting with the radio frequencies, but certainly possible.
Cheers, good to know! :y
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Might have to fit a couple of new speakers myself, passenger front has a bit of fatigue which can be heard at times. Just replacing the stock head unit to Alpine (9854R) in my case made a huge difference.
It's not a bad job. 165mm woofers fit OK with a Corsa mounting frame, a 6mm thick spacer made out of MDF and a bit of bodgery. Plenty of space in the door armrest cavity for a crossover, and you can prise the frame off the OEM tweeters and epoxy it onto new ones so they fit in the same mounting.
Wish I'd taken some pictures now, but the door card 'ain't coming off again. :(
Speakers made a big difference over the factory fit "cone material courtesy of Kellogg's" jobs. ;)
I always prefered the look and sound of Bose fit, but requirement for Aux in over rulled asthetics.
That will probably consign my 2006 to the junk box soon. 4 CDs just aren't enough.
Kevin
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TB - a question for you regarding the CCR2006 / NCDCXXX
Knowing that not all NON-BOSE variants are able to have BOSE enabled via Tech2, can all of the BOSE-ENABLED ones have the BOSE turned off ?
:-?
All bosed ones can be set to non bose, with exception of ccr800, which has not amp chip
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TB - a question for you regarding the CCR2006 / NCDCXXX
Knowing that not all NON-BOSE variants are able to have BOSE enabled via Tech2, can all of the BOSE-ENABLED ones have the BOSE turned off ?
:-?
All bosed ones can be set to non bose, with exception of ccr800, which has not amp chip
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