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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: zirk on 24 March 2010, 18:34:46
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Took the ex plod project for MOT today, Failed on rear Fog Lamps not working, must admit the one thing I didnt check (2000 FL MV6 Saloon).
No volts at the bulbs, reversing lights are ok, so assume the return earth bit from the boot is fine, fuses seem ok, I assume the switch operates a relay somewhere which I can hear but not find, sounds like behind drivers side air vent somewhere?.
Being explod, rekon the wiring has been butchered!, Cars not been out of service that long as last MOT was done by the Police.
Any pointers please, wiring details / route, or anything else I should be checking.
Cheers Chris. :y
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Took the ex plod project for MOT today, Failed on rear Fog Lamps not working, must admit the one thing I didnt check (2000 FL MV6 Saloon).
No volts at the bulbs, reversing lights are ok, so assume the return earth bit from the boot is fine, fuses seem ok, I assume the switch operates a relay somewhere which I can hear but not find, sounds like behind drivers side air vent somewhere?.
Being explod, rekon the wiring has been butchered!, Cars not been out of service that long as last MOT was done by the Police.
Any pointers please, wiring details / route, or anything else I should be checking.
Cheers Chris. :y
The relay you can hear is within the main light switch - prevents you driving around for 3 weeks after the last little bit of ground mist without you realising you've not switched your rear fogs off :y
Where the wiring goes up the boot hinges is a likely spot. What about the trailer socket behind the boot trim - right at the rear of the boot - there should be a blue/black loop.
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Cheers Andy, having a look now. :y
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or being a face lift, the black and purple tow bar electrics plug behind the boot latch suround, 2 spring pins in there not making contact on mine, hth
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or being a face lift, the black and purple tow bar electrics plug behind the boot latch suround, 2 spring pins in there not making contact on mine, hth
cheers Chris :y
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Right need more info on this please, checked the rear boot wiring and the Tow Hitch area, all seems fine, buzz's through to the Bulb holders. Now got the fuse box out and half the wiring hanging down under the Dash. complete and utter mess behind the fuse panel, wires jointed, lots of bullet joints, thin cables going thick, with no colour coordination.
Thinking the Police would have wired up the rear fogs as a wig wam config being switched on from their own blues and twos panel (now missing of course).
Thinking it might be easier to start a fresh and if ness just install new wiring from the fuse panel or back off the relay.
Can anyone confirm fuse number(s) for me, as I seem to have more fuses than normal plus some missing (been cut), also any help on rear Fog wire colours from the panel would help.
Cheers Chris :y
edit: nearly forgot, I seem to have the Drivers Side Bulb wired separately but cant trace that back to the Fuse Panel, is this normal? are the rear Fogs each wired / fused separately.
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or being a face lift, the black and purple tow bar electrics plug behind the boot latch suround, 2 spring pins in there not making contact on mine, hth
cheers Chris :y
AFAIK the face lift still uses a blue/black for the rear fogs.
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Is this the red 3.0 ex dpg by any chance?
I've got a 2001 'Y' 3.2 from DPG, had the same issue with mine, rear fog lights weren't working. The Met along with other forces had alternating flashing fog lights. That's the reason why something's not right. I took mine to my local garage for some other minor work to be done, and mentioned the fog lights, he fixed them within 10 minutes, next time I go there I shall ask him what he did.
However, I do know there is a relay behind the drivers air vent area, when mine was out it said 'boot mod' on it, to enable the boot to be opened with the key in the ignition...so I think it's connected.
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Yep, its a red DPG / Rapid Arms Response of the Met Police,think they call themselves SO6 Group now. How did you know that?.
Funny you should mention the rear boot release relay because that was throwing me today?, it seems to latch on when the rear fog light switch is pressed?. Small black relay behind the light swicth, labeled rear boot mod. Allows the boot to open whist your driving, no idea why it clicks on when the red rear fog symble is on on the dash???
Any more info would be cool.
Cheers Chris. :y
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I tend to remember far too many pointless things ;D I remember you posting some time ago you'd bought a 2000 3.0 with 80k miles or so in red, so I knew it must've been DPG.
The DPG cars do give a fair bit of trouble actually, I'm having trouble with mine...trying to work out why the rear electric windows won't work.
As soon as I've got any good info, I'll let you know.
I've thought about removing the boot mod thing, and seeing if that helps.
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or being a face lift, the black and purple tow bar electrics plug behind the boot latch suround, 2 spring pins in there not making contact on mine, hth
cheers Chris :y
AFAIK the face lift still uses a blue/black for the rear fogs.
yep it does,I wired the 12n on mine last week
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This is starting to do my head in now, Engine running push the rear fog lamps switch, light flashes once on the dash and it latches a relay behind drivers air vent, you can now open the boot with the engine running, this condition seems to stay like this untill you switch the lights on and off or remove the key. Same deal with Headlights on the only difference is the Rear Fog Dash blub stays on, again boot switch now works with the engine running.
Still no joy with volts getting to the rear Fogs though, trying to work out why the Police would wire up a system like this?, I know there was a Gun Cabinet in the boot behind the rear seats, because of the holes left, pressed marks on the carpet and a load of left over shells.
The Drivers rear fog lamp is wired separately which seems to disappear towards the dash area. Theres no fuse 28 its been disconnected (fog tail lamp), fuse 2 is in place and working and I seem to have fuse 8 in place (daytime running lights) with some additional wiring attached which dissapeers behind the dash?
????? :D
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or being a face lift, the black and purple tow bar electrics plug behind the boot latch suround, 2 spring pins in there not making contact on mine, hth
cheers Chris :y
AFAIK the face lift still uses a blue/black for the rear fogs.
yep it does,I wired the 12n on mine last week
not talking about wires, didnt even mention wires, talking about the spring pins in the plug, the plug is black/purple.
...and yes the wires are black blue for fog lights on the face lift as well.
But looks like this is"slightly" more involved than any of that.... :o
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This is starting to do my head in now, Engine running push the rear fog lamps switch, light flashes once on the dash and it latches a relay behind drivers air vent, you can now open the boot with the engine running, this condition seems to stay like this untill you switch the lights on and off or remove the key. Same deal with Headlights on the only difference is the Rear Fog Dash blub stays on, again boot switch now works with the engine running.
Still no joy with volts getting to the rear Fogs though, trying to work out why the Police would wire up a system like this?, I know there was a Gun Cabinet in the boot behind the rear seats, because of the holes left, pressed marks on the carpet and a load of left over shells.
The Drivers rear fog lamp is wired separately which seems to disappear towards the dash area. Theres no fuse 28 its been disconnected (fog tail lamp), fuse 2 is in place and working and I seem to have fuse 8 in place (daytime running lights) with some additional wiring attached which dissapeers behind the dash?
????? :D
Surely you can't/don't mean left over ammunition :-?
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This is starting to do my head in now, Engine running push the rear fog lamps switch, light flashes once on the dash and it latches a relay behind drivers air vent, you can now open the boot with the engine running, this condition seems to stay like this untill you switch the lights on and off or remove the key. Same deal with Headlights on the only difference is the Rear Fog Dash blub stays on, again boot switch now works with the engine running.
Still no joy with volts getting to the rear Fogs though, trying to work out why the Police would wire up a system like this?, I know there was a Gun Cabinet in the boot behind the rear seats, because of the holes left, pressed marks on the carpet and a load of left over shells.
The Drivers rear fog lamp is wired separately which seems to disappear towards the dash area. Theres no fuse 28 its been disconnected (fog tail lamp), fuse 2 is in place and working and I seem to have fuse 8 in place (daytime running lights) with some additional wiring attached which dissapeers behind the dash?
????? :D
Surely you can't/don't mean left over ammunition :-?
Nah !
probably been down to the beach
Cockles, mussels, limpets, my car is also full of shells !
:P
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This is starting to do my head in now, Engine running push the rear fog lamps switch, light flashes once on the dash and it latches a relay behind drivers air vent, you can now open the boot with the engine running, this condition seems to stay like this untill you switch the lights on and off or remove the key. Same deal with Headlights on the only difference is the Rear Fog Dash blub stays on, again boot switch now works with the engine running.
Still no joy with volts getting to the rear Fogs though, trying to work out why the Police would wire up a system like this?, I know there was a Gun Cabinet in the boot behind the rear seats, because of the holes left, pressed marks on the carpet and a load of left over shells.
The Drivers rear fog lamp is wired separately which seems to disappear towards the dash area. Theres no fuse 28 its been disconnected (fog tail lamp), fuse 2 is in place and working and I seem to have fuse 8 in place (daytime running lights) with some additional wiring attached which dissapeers behind the dash?
????? :D
Surely you can't/don't mean left over ammunition :-?
Nah !
probably been down to the beachCockles, mussels, limpets, my car is also full of shells !
:P
What would they be doing down at Sarfend in a ARV? Mebe someone started a riot when the jellied eels ran out?? ::) ;)
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This is starting to do my head in now, Engine running push the rear fog lamps switch, light flashes once on the dash and it latches a relay behind drivers air vent, you can now open the boot with the engine running, this condition seems to stay like this untill you switch the lights on and off or remove the key. Same deal with Headlights on the only difference is the Rear Fog Dash blub stays on, again boot switch now works with the engine running.
Still no joy with volts getting to the rear Fogs though, trying to work out why the Police would wire up a system like this?, I know there was a Gun Cabinet in the boot behind the rear seats, because of the holes left, pressed marks on the carpet and a load of left over shells.
The Drivers rear fog lamp is wired separately which seems to disappear towards the dash area. Theres no fuse 28 its been disconnected (fog tail lamp), fuse 2 is in place and working and I seem to have fuse 8 in place (daytime running lights) with some additional wiring attached which dissapeers behind the dash?
????? :D
Surely you can't/don't mean left over ammunition :-?
Yep, mostly fired, some not, the tips seem to be made of plastic with a hole and cross, look like 9mm or 380 short to me, not sure if there blank or for firing paint caps, but the inside of the car is absolutely covered in fluorescent Red and Blue splats all over the place.
Anyway bout my freekng Fog Lamps, reckon someone's had this problem before!, come on spill the beans.
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This is starting to do my head in now, Engine running push the rear fog lamps switch, light flashes once on the dash and it latches a relay behind drivers air vent, you can now open the boot with the engine running, this condition seems to stay like this untill you switch the lights on and off or remove the key. Same deal with Headlights on the only difference is the Rear Fog Dash blub stays on, again boot switch now works with the engine running.
Still no joy with volts getting to the rear Fogs though, trying to work out why the Police would wire up a system like this?, I know there was a Gun Cabinet in the boot behind the rear seats, because of the holes left, pressed marks on the carpet and a load of left over shells.
The Drivers rear fog lamp is wired separately which seems to disappear towards the dash area. Theres no fuse 28 its been disconnected (fog tail lamp), fuse 2 is in place and working and I seem to have fuse 8 in place (daytime running lights) with some additional wiring attached which dissapeers behind the dash?
????? :D
Surely you can't/don't mean left over ammunition :-?
Yep, mostly fired, some not, the tips seem to be made of plastic with a hole and cross, look like 9mm or 380 short to me, not sure if there blank or for firing paint caps, but the inside of the car is absolutely covered in fluorescent Red and Blue splats all over the place.
Anyway bout my freekng Fog Lamps, reckon someone's had this problem before!, come on spill the beans.
If you get caught in possession of those live rounds without a Firearms Licence with the relevant grant for that type/calibre of ammunition, it would not be good news for you...! There is the risk that they may fall into the wrong hands. You need to drop them off at your local police station, or phone your area's Firearms Licencing Unit, asap.
But moving on back to your question - my last ex-plod (white, was a marked car) had no probs whatsoever with the rear fogs. But when I got this one (another ex-plod in Nocturno Blue - was an unmarked car), none of the rear fogs worked. Sods law, I only found it out on the morning of its MOT...
Changed bulbs etc, but no joy. I was expecting a really complex issue, but it was quite simple in my case (and hopefully yours too!). Unplug the plug that goes into the rear fog-lamp bulb holderon the inside of the boot lid, and check the pins inside the plug.
On mine, there was an excess of solder inside on the pins (where plod had obviously soldered another wire in - when it was decommissioned, they'd just cut their wiring off (which would have been for the Wig-Wags), and shoved the pins back into the plugs - excess solder and all. So when the plug was connected to the bulb holder, it couldn't get a decent connection.
I just stripped the pins back out of the plug, heated them up with my soldering iron and cleaned all the excess solder and left-over Plod wiring off, let the pins cool down again, and then put them back into the plugs. Job done!
Fingers crossed it does the job for you :y
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Hi Damon, thanks for your input. Yea used to be a Section 5 Firearms Licence holder, when all that was allowable, so yes I do understand your concerns and rightly commented. Really dont fancy handing a bag of stuff into my local old bill shop and then spending the next 24 hours trying to explain where it all come from! Rekon they would strugle to convict on the outcome of the Car being explod, but dont fancy putting it to the test. :(
On the bulb holder bit will have a butchers tomorrow, somethings seriusley not right with the current setup.
Chris. :y
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Hi Damon, thanks for your input. Yea used to be a Section 5 Firearms Licence holder, when all that was allowable, so yes I do understand your concerns and rightly commented. Really dont fancy handing a bag of stuff into my local old bill shop and then spending the next 24 hours trying to explain where it all come from! Rekon they would strugle to convict on the outcome of the Car being explod, but dont fancy putting it to the test. :(
On the bulb holder bit will have a butchers tomorrow, somethings seriusley not right with the current setup.
Chris. :y
I gathered you were either an ex or current FAC holder given your knowledge of poss calibre ;) Understand your concern, but trust me - give your FLU a ring tomorrow. They'll be more than understanding :y
I'll admit it - I was bricking it when my fogs didn't work on the morning of its MOT, thought it'd end up being a right nightmare. I wouldn't have normally thought of checking inside the plug, only I was looking to see if I could fit the fine prong extension thingy of my multi-meter inside to check for continuity, when I noticed the mess in there!
It may not be the case for yours, but got to be worth a check bud :y
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Having just spent most of the day on this, think Ive just sussed it, yep, going for quick beer now, before they shut :D
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Having just spent most of the day on this, think Ive just sussed it, yep, going for quick beer now, before they shut :D
you've no beerin the fridge? :-? ;D ;D ;D
Glad you've (think you've) sorted it :y :y
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Thought I'd post some Pics of the of the two little culprits, The rear fog lamp wiring (Blue/Black) was intercepted by an additional pair Blue/Yellow and another thicker Blue/Black, which can now be seen discounted and hanging down in Pic 2, they were connected and hidden within the wiring loom under the rear wing location, The additional wiring together with another Blue/Yellow fed separately to the drivers side fog run to the front engine fuse box.
The last two pics are of the Boot Catch Mod relay connected behind the light switch module.
Although there's no Head Unit or MID in the Car (GLS Police Spec) the Car has a MID Stalk and Steering wheel controls, so, cant wait to see what they do when I get round to fitting a Stereo in! :D
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