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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: Ploppy on 17 April 2010, 14:11:51

Title: Runlock ??
Post by: Ploppy on 17 April 2010, 14:11:51

Has anybody fitted   Runlock to an omega,,, the system you can keep the car engine running and taking out the keys?

If so is it an easy job?

Regards

Ploppy

Title: Re: Runlock ??
Post by: Andy B on 17 April 2010, 14:22:41

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Has anybody fitted   Runlock to an omega,,, the system you can keep the car engine running and taking out the keys?

If so is it an easy job?

Regards

Ploppy

You'd need to do something about the transponder immobilser ....... why would you want your car engine running when you're not in it? Illegal if left on the road, & insurance would have a field day of it was stolen  ;) .....

Title: Re: Runlock ??
Post by: Ploppy on 17 April 2010, 14:47:09

Sure,

however you cant drive off with runlock fitted, car engine stops. 

thanks

Ploppy :y

Title: Re: Runlock ??
Post by: Ploppy on 17 April 2010, 14:47:58

Sorry ,,, should have said car engine stops if you press clutch or brake pedal. ::)

Title: Re: Runlock ??
Post by: Andy B on 17 April 2010, 14:50:56

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Sorry ,,, should have said car engine stops if you press clutch or brake pedal. ::)

As said though, your immobilser will want to see the chip in the key for it to start, so you'll need to by-pass that or tape a chip somewhere near the ignition barrel.

Title: Re: Runlock ??
Post by: TheBoy on 17 April 2010, 20:56:17

Andy B - I think the ecu only needs to see the transponder to start, not to keep running  :-/

Title: Re: Runlock ??
Post by: Andy B on 17 April 2010, 21:08:08

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Andy B - I think the ecu only needs to see the transponder to start, not to keep running  :-/

Pass! :-/
When I had another key made for SWMO's Astra G, Dr Omega had problems making the chip in the new key been seen by the immobilser. When he first coded it the car started but then soon died, A N Other chip later it started & ran as it should.  :-/

Title: Re: Runlock ??
Post by: Ploppy on 18 April 2010, 01:55:12

Brill....

thanks for all your top tips !!

Ploppy :y

Title: Re: Runlock ??
Post by: oceansoul on 18 April 2010, 22:16:27

If your chatting about this
http://www.emergencyequipmentshop.co.uk/lock-relay-unit-p-278.html
i'd imagine that they have a way of sorting out the transponder as its designed for "modern" vehicles. Im sure the police have fitted them in Omegas and/or other Vauxhall before. Follow the fitting guide and im sure it be fine.

Title: Re: Runlock ??
Post by: hotel21 on 18 April 2010, 22:30:59

A fair number of emergency vehicles have them fitted, at least the ones I used to use did.  Touch/use the footbrake, clutch or handbrake and the engine stops if the key is not back into the ignition and turned to the 'run' position.

Reason for fitting was if at the scene of an accident and a road closure/safety positioning of a battenburged vehicle with lights etc running was required.  Removal of the keys and use of runlock allowed the engine to run and avoid flat batteries from the use of the lights.

edit - as per the link by Oceansoul above!   ;D   :y

Title: Re: Runlock ??
Post by: KW on 18 April 2010, 22:34:50

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Has anybody fitted   Runlock to an omega,,, the system you can keep the car engine running and taking out the keys?

If so is it an easy job?

Regards

Ploppy

You mean a turbo timer.

Piece of piss to fit, and as TB says - the ECU only needs to see the chip in the key to start the car.
100% legal to use, and your insurance company won't give a toss so long as it is fitted properly.

As others have said though, can't see any reason for you to have one unless you actually have a turbo fitted.

Title: Re: Runlock ??
Post by: hotel21 on 18 April 2010, 22:47:24

Think the fella means a runlock, not a turbo timer...   :y

Two different things as the turbo timer allows the engine to run for a preset time of your choosing to allow the turbo to cool whilst a runlock device will allow the engine to run for as long as it has fuel to do so, until either the keys are reinserted and the device switched off or someone activates the footbrake/clutch/handbrake.....   :)

Title: Re: Runlock ??
Post by: KW on 18 April 2010, 22:50:27

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Think the fella means a runlock, not a turbo timer...   :y

Two different things as the turbo timer allows the engine to run for a preset time of your choosing to allow the turbo to cool whilst a runlock device will allow the engine to run for as long as it has fuel to do so, until either the keys are reinserted and the device switched off or someone activates the footbrake/clutch/handbrake.....   :)

Turbo timer is pretty much the same deal, you dial in the amount of time you want the engine to run for after key removal.

At least that's the way it works on our one, but it wouldn't surprise me to find the cheaper timers don't let you specify the run on time.

Title: Re: Runlock ??
Post by: hotel21 on 18 April 2010, 22:53:33

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Think the fella means a runlock, not a turbo timer...   :y

Two different things as the turbo timer allows the engine to run for a preset time of your choosing to allow the turbo to cool whilst a runlock device will allow the engine to run for as long as it has fuel to do so, until either the keys are reinserted and the device switched off or someone activates the footbrake/clutch/handbrake.....   :)

Turbo timer is pretty much the same deal, you dial in the amount of time you want the engine to run for after key removal.

At least that's the way it works on our one, but it wouldn't surprise me to find the cheaper timers don't let you specify the run on time.

Yup, similar but different.....  8-)

Would think that perhaps the turbo timers are the cheaper option though, as the ones I have seen thus far still allow you to actually drive the car away if its been left unlocked or if its broken into via a smashed window......  Runlocks avoid that by the interaction of the pedals/handbrake into the equation.

Title: Re: Runlock ??
Post by: Ploppy on 18 April 2010, 22:55:33

Thanks all...

regards

Ploppy :y

Title: Re: Runlock ??
Post by: KW on 18 April 2010, 22:55:53

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Think the fella means a runlock, not a turbo timer...   :y

Two different things as the turbo timer allows the engine to run for a preset time of your choosing to allow the turbo to cool whilst a runlock device will allow the engine to run for as long as it has fuel to do so, until either the keys are reinserted and the device switched off or someone activates the footbrake/clutch/handbrake.....   :)

Turbo timer is pretty much the same deal, you dial in the amount of time you want the engine to run for after key removal.

At least that's the way it works on our one, but it wouldn't surprise me to find the cheaper timers don't let you specify the run on time.

Yup, similar but different.....  8-)

Would think that perhaps the turbo timers are the cheaper option though, as the ones I have seen thus far still allow you to actually drive the car away if its been left unlocked or if its broken into via a smashed window......  Runlocks avoid that by the interaction of the pedals/handbrake into the equation.

Brake & clutch interactively wired on ours, either pedal pushed with the key missing = instant dead engine.
Like you say, you get what you pay for.

Title: Re: Runlock ??
Post by: Ploppy on 18 April 2010, 22:57:37

Hi KW

have you yourself installed a runlock?

Regards

Ploppy

Title: Re: Runlock ??
Post by: KW on 18 April 2010, 23:01:43

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Hi KW

have you yourself installed a runlock?

Regards

Ploppy

No, but I have installed a turbo timer (pretty much the same thing depending on how much you wish to spend).


PS
Should add that I am a sparks by trade, so chopping wiring about doesn't scare me in the slightest.