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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: speedy_ns on 26 November 2010, 12:38:59
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Can anyone tell me how to locate childseat sensor on 2001 fl omega?? I conected "My Naff Code Reader" and it shows this sensor malfunction, so i'm planing to find it and try to clean it first, and if that doesn't help i'll have to replace it. I've been looking under passenger seat, but there are also wires of electric seat, heater, belt tensoners, so i am not sure what to unplug. . .
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Its in the seat.
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Child seat sensor? :o :o I must admit I never knew there was one, and I do use a child car seat for my grandchildren ;)
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In Serbia you must drive kids under 7 years in back, so i don't need this. Is it posible to disable this sensor in any way, so it doesn' apear on dash as foult. ..
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Child seat sensor? :o :o I must admit I never knew there was one, and I do use a child car seat for my grandchildren ;)
Page 90/93 ..... Please read the manual ::) (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.reynolds983/Manuals/Omega2002Manual.pdf)
The transponder is there to turn off the passenger side airbag when it detects a GM kiddies seat. :y :y
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Child seat sensor? :o :o I must admit I never knew there was one, and I do use a child car seat for my grandchildren ;)
Page 90/93 ..... Please read the manual ::) (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.reynolds983/Manuals/Omega2002Manual.pdf)
The transponder is there to turn off the passenger side airbag when it detects a GM kiddies seat. :y :y
Right, thanks Andy! :y :y :y :y
Never knew that as I say, but I do now :D :D :D ;)
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So? can I disengage it anyway?? or how could I replace it if it's foulty???
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Maybe a Tech2 session could disable the option?
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I am not sure. I have "My Naff Code Reader" and it erase fault code but ass soon as someone sit in pasanger seat that annoying red lightning symbol apears on the dash. . . :(
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I am not sure. I have "My Naff Code Reader" and it erase fault code but ass soon as someone sit in pasanger seat that annoying red lightning symbol apears on the dash. . . :(
What is the code you are getting from the "My Naff Code Reader"?
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00095 - CSD Sensor Malfunction (Child Seat Detection)
Not present
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My Elite has one apparently.
To disable, I have a feeling you have to change the SRS ECU. Unless its intelligent enough to see its unplugged? We haven't got many Omegas in UK with this option. I believe the plug is the large multiway yellow connector.
I certainly wouldn't trust "My Naff Code Reader" on safety based ECUs for any more than code reading and clearing.
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If it's fitted it flashes the child seat lamp in the centre of the centre lamp when you turn the ignition on.
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If it's fitted it flashes the child seat lamp in the centre of the centre lamp when you turn the ignition on.
Indeed it does. Can't help on location, but don't use a non vx child seat in the front due to danger of death if the air bags go off! There are stickers all over the pas side to warn of it are there not?
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Yes, there are. And thisl light flashes. I remove foult code with "My Naff Code Reader", but as soon as someone sit it goes on again. Childseat is no problem, cause i have got no kids ( yet), and anyway here you must drive kids on the back. . Looks like I'll have to change passanger seat just to shut this light down. . . . :(
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Yes, there are. And thisl light flashes. I remove foult code with "My Naff Code Reader", but as soon as someone sit it goes on again. Childseat is no problem, cause i have got no kids ( yet), and anyway here you must drive kids on the back. . Looks like I'll have to change passanger seat just to shut this light down. . . . :(
Not sure if the ECU needs reprogramming, or if its clever enough to detect (doubt it), but is it worth just unplugging the connector for it?
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mayby, but i din' know what is it. There are conectors of heating, electro motors for seat and this, which one of those is it??
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mayby, but i din' know what is it. There are conectors of heating, electro motors for seat and this, which one of those is it??
I thought it was the yellow 20 pin connector with only 2 or 3 wires attached...
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mayby, but i din' know what is it. There are conectors of heating, electro motors for seat and this, which one of those is it??
I thought it was the yellow 20 pin connector with only 2 or 3 wires attached...
So youve unplugged the sensor, and the old code went but a new one has appeared, is that right ?
On mine, I unplugged the sensor, cleared the fault code, and (after a couple of starts iirc) the light went out.
I presume your using a Chinese code reader, which we are not allowed to mention on here due to copyright laws ?
Thanks guys for posts and information but still for a month I have no clue how to fix this stupid Child Seat Detection Sensor.
I get the information on polish forum.omegaklub.eu that using original Tech2 in official Opel Car Service they can deactivate this sensor. So I went there, they charged me ~50euro for 1h "computer diagnostics" and said that they can not reprogram my airbag module :(
When I try with my "My Naff Code Reader" to change CSD sensor for Not In Use I get "programming failed". That's why I get to official Opel Service. 50euro for nothing.
So I tried your suggestions. I disconnected yellow flat connector, cleared in "My Naff Code Reader" the error codes, then refresh codes list and then I get "Seat Occupancy Pad 1 Not Present", but there is no CSD Malfunction error. I cleared the connection pins, put some WD40 and tied strongly the connector and then tried again to clear the codes. Now the situation is the same as at the beginning. I see only CSD sensor malfunction.
As far as I know, in the passanger seat there is inside this seat occupancy pad (like a rubber keyboard) with some chip + sensor for Child Seat Detection. It is all on 3 wires (yellow flat square connector). So whenever I disconnect this yellow connector and clear codes, I don't get CSD malfunction but the whole Occupancy Pad is Not Present. So it won't fix my problem but create bigger one. Am I missing something?
Summary for the moment:
- I'm unable to deactivate CSD sensor in "My Naff Code Reader"
- Opel Car Service (official) is unable to deactivate CSD sensor in Tech2 (or they don't know how)
- messing with Occupancy Pad/CSD sensor yellow flat square connector doesn't help
If only someone could describe his procedure step by step and on which Omega version it was done. Or some other suggestion/advice.
Mine is Omega B FL 2002 3.2 V6 Y32SE Executive caravan/combi.
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You need to change the seat sensor, or change the SRS ECU (as these are one-time-config units)
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You need to change the seat sensor, or change the SRS ECU (as these are one-time-config units)
Thx for info. But I've just get message from a polish Omega Owner (forum.omegaklub.eu) that he visited a "magician" who did something in the wires under the seat and then disabled the CSD sensor in Tech2 (original for GM/Opel). So maybe it is doable but not only with Tech2/"My Naff Code Reader" but first disconnect yellow flat square connector from SensorPad/CSD?
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You need to change the seat sensor, or change the SRS ECU (as these are one-time-config units)
Thx for info. But I've just get message from a polish Omega Owner (forum.omegaklub.eu) that he visited a "magician" who did something in the wires under the seat and then disabled the CSD sensor in Tech2 (original for GM/Opel). So maybe it is doable but not only with Tech2/"My Naff Code Reader" but first disconnect yellow flat square connector from SensorPad/CSD?
It would likely be possible to lift the flash chip from ECU, put an unconfiged flash in its place, then program.
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You need to change the seat sensor, or change the SRS ECU (as these are one-time-config units)
Thx for info. But I've just get message from a polish Omega Owner (forum.omegaklub.eu) that he visited a "magician" who did something in the wires under the seat and then disabled the CSD sensor in Tech2 (original for GM/Opel). So maybe it is doable but not only with Tech2/"My Naff Code Reader" but first disconnect yellow flat square connector from SensorPad/CSD?
It would likely be possible to lift the flash chip from ECU, put an unconfiged flash in its place, then program. :-\
Are sure that it is in ECU (Engine Control Unit)? IMO it is in SRS (Supplemental Restraint System) (AirBag control unit). Am I right?
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SRS ecu, lives under centre armrest console
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90663.0
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You need to change the seat sensor, or change the SRS ECU (as these are one-time-config units)
Thx for info. But I've just get message from a polish Omega Owner (forum.omegaklub.eu) that he visited a "magician" who did something in the wires under the seat and then disabled the CSD sensor in Tech2 (original for GM/Opel). So maybe it is doable but not only with Tech2/"My Naff Code Reader" but first disconnect yellow flat square connector from SensorPad/CSD?
It would likely be possible to lift the flash chip from ECU, put an unconfiged flash in its place, then program. :-\
Are sure that it is in ECU (Engine Control Unit)? IMO it is in SRS (Supplemental Restraint System) (AirBag control unit). Am I right?
ECU (Electronic Control Unit) is generic term. It is indeed the SRS ECU that needs reprogramming. This sits under rear cigarette lighter socket.
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You need to change the seat sensor, or change the SRS ECU (as these are one-time-config units)
Looks to be the most straightforward solution (subject to availability of course).
The problem doesn't come up very often on the forum which implies that either very few UK cars have the seat sensor fitted or the seat sensors are generally reliable.
Maybe one of the breakers could supply a good used seat sensor :-\
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I beleive last time we checked sensor was integral to the seat.
Rossi123? had/has this issue too, sure theres another 1 or 2 as well.
proving an awkward one.
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If the car being broken never had a seat sensor then it would have an SRS ECU that wouldn't need to be reprogrammed of course...................
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mine has it fitted but never really looked into it, light comes on when start car goes off after system check and thats good enough for me
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If the car being broken never had a seat sensor then it would have an SRS ECU that wouldn't need to be reprogrammed of course...................
Thanks for your reply! Anyway this issue is a real pain in the ass. Still don't know what to do to fix it in the simple way. I'm still waiting for a contact to a guy who fixed this CSD sensor issue by disabling it in SRS ECU. But my college from polish forum says that hid did also something under the seat and then used Tech2. It is strange for because in official Opel Car Service they told me that SRS ECU is one time config and they can not change anything. But it must be doable because somehow people on ebay offer to clear crash data from AirBag SRS ECU and to do other changes. What do you think about it?
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Just to add a few bits
Any "Faulty" sensors will be detected by the SRS ECU, and once repaired / replaced or bypassed (don`t ask!) then the data can be easily cleared and reset by the use of Tech2 or similar.
However, if the data recorded is not "fault" data, and has been deemed as "Crash" data, then Tech2 will not be able to reset it, and the manufacturer advice would be to replace the SRS ECU (after any faults have been fixed).
Like others, we are also currently playing around with resetting this crash data ourselves, as our equipment here is a little more sophisticated than Tech2 - and hope to have an answer to this soon.
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Just to add a few bits
Any "Faulty" sensors will be detected by the SRS ECU, and once repaired / replaced or bypassed (don`t ask!) then the data can be easily cleared and reset by the use of Tech2 or similar.
However, if the data recorded is not "fault" data, and has been deemed as "Crash" data, then Tech2 will not be able to reset it, and the manufacturer advice would be to replace the SRS ECU (after any faults have been fixed).
Like others, we are also currently playing around with resetting this crash data ourselves, as our equipment here is a little more sophisticated than Tech2 - and hope to have an answer to this soon.
Thanks for detailed information about SRS ECU topic. That clarified me the information I gathered around the Internet. But still it would be great to know the simplest solution for this faulty Child Seat Detection sensor and how usually people fix/disable/bypass it.