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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: Quince99 on 13 December 2010, 13:11:46
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Having ERROR CDC on the dash display I was advised here that it was technically up the spout and was best course of action to change the offending unit. I eventually located the right one and it came with a code... this is where I'm having the sense of déja vu ::)
Fitted new CDC2 and started car and Philips CCRT700, when I switched to CD gave me CD DISTURB - what, mentally? :P - so duly shut off and went through code setting. When entering code it offered Temporary or Permanent (which was new to me) so entered the correct code as Permanent.
This done, it gave me CD SAFE so redid the code malarkey once more. Next one was NO MAGAZINE - easily remedied as I had not indeed inserted it. Filled with various CDs for it to pick from and inserted magazine. Went to the front once more and selected CD and this time I got the wonderful ERROR CDC code... again... :(
Does this mean the replacement unit has been duly knackered by me or does it point to something else within the system? My next port of call is an auto electrician who will know infinitely more than I do about audio setups (hopefully!), following that there'll be an Omega Elite sans working CD system on ebay.... >:(
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I`ll avoid the obvious reply of making sure you have the correct version of changer signified by the same 10 digit part number starting with a 7 on the label.
When you fitted the new changer, did you simply unplug the old one and plug the new one in? Or did you perform the task correctly by removing the head unit first for ten minutes, refitting the changer first and then refitting the head unit?
If all of that fails, then you may have found why there are so many CDC2 units on ebay - they are virtually all FUBAR now.
:-X
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The numbers on the label were all correct - took me ages to find the right one.
I removed the old one from boot and refitted other one. Had no idea the head unit should be removed - from dash console? that'll be fun!
Is it worth attempting removal (how please?) and then refitting or have I killed the replacement unit?
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Its not uncommon for the head unit to remember the fault codes generated by the faulty changer, which is why its important to fit everything first, and for the head unit to power up last of all, therefore resetting any fault codes.
CCRT700 can be pulled out of the dash and unplugged very easily, but you will need the correct removal tools to do this - If you don`t have any tools, then cheaper to ask a garage and bung them a beer than buy the crap ones sold by Halfords though - should take but a few seconds to do.
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Thank you for this - do not have any removal tools so will see if ebay has anything specific (rather than generic) for the head unit.
Given that this is, from what you say, a relatively frequent occurrence, how is one supposed to know to remove the h/unit first? Given that computers of the same vintage as the Omega were essentially Plug-and-Play, I would naturally assume - as have many others evidently - that the CDC component could simply be swapped over.
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Given that this is, from what you say, a relatively frequent occurrence, how is one supposed to know to remove the h/unit first?
Easy - ASK !!
Given that computers of the same vintage as the Omega were essentially Plug-and-Play, I would naturally assume - as have many others evidently - that the CDC component could simply be swapped over
Good comparison - a computer of similar age would indeed have had to be shut down and rebooted to see any new hardware - No difference really !!
:P
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Having tried a few objects, screwdriver, needle etc. the holes into which they are inserted seem to be blocked, i.e. anything that fits the small-diameter hole does not appear to go in further than 2mm (if that). From this observation it doesn't seem possible for any tools to be inserted in order to extract the head unit.
What further action can be taken to remove this unit then short of sledgehammer?
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Having tried a few objects, screwdriver, needle etc. the holes into which they are inserted seem to be blocked, i.e. anything that fits the small-diameter hole does not appear to go in further than 2mm (if that). From this observation it doesn't seem possible for any tools to be inserted in order to extract the head unit.
What further action can be taken to remove this unit then short of sledgehammer?
They are grub screws ;) Can't remember the size off hand, but you need something like 1.5 or 2 mm Allen key.
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This would explain it - have various Allen keys dotted around. Will attempt extraction in daylight (loss of small screws being an added pain I could do without) and when it's a bit more charitable than -8 outside!
Thanks for this - will report back to see if ERROR CDC problem rectified or whether I need a THIRD changer to experiment with... :-/
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This would explain it - have various Allen keys dotted around. Will attempt extraction in daylight (loss of small screws being an added pain I could do without) and when it's a bit more charitable than -8 outside! ......
The grub screws are only fitted to slow down a would be thief trying to tea leave your radio, and are not required if you lose any. I removed mine when I last took my radio out & put them somewhere safe ::) ::) so safe I can't find them ;D ;D
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Torx T8 also fits them, and by all means throw them away once removed
;)
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If you cannot remove head unit would disconnection the battery for the same amount of time work instead? You would have to reset time & window pinch guards etc.
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If you cannot remove head unit would disconnection the battery for the same amount of time work instead? You would have to reset time & window pinch guards etc.
Yes, but because there is often so much else to reset, and battery connections can suffer in this cold weather, I would advise against it - especially when pulling out the radio is so easy to do.
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Its 2mm fo the grub screws, an I reckon it looks better with them in, just to cover the holes.
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Its 2mm fo the grub screws, an I reckon it looks better with them in, just to cover the holes.
When I've find mine in their safe place ...... ::) ::) ;D
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When I've find mine in their safe place
usually find mine in ashtray ;D ;D
but thats usually after i have put 2mm allen key in safe place ::) ::)
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I said I'd report back when time permitted....
Have duly removed screws and head unit, which remained disconnected for about half an hour as it happened. Refitted the replacement CD changer then reconnected the head unit and powered it up.
Entered codes for radio and CD changer as requested on display then switched to CD - got NO MAGAZINE first up as I'd not filled it with CDs at this point. Put half a dozen random ones in and replaced in unit in boot. Repowered up radio and switched to CD and what did we get....
ERROR CDC
Does this now mean I have inadvertently Christmas-crackered the replacement set which was working prior to me getting my hands on it? :-?
I'm extremely reluctant to buy yet another one (at upwards of £40 a throw) to have a repeat occurrence. Given that I cannot get the changers to work it also means I cannot sell them on as being in working order. Does this point to a more in-depth issue with the audio system and will an auto-electrician or audio specialist be able to accomplish anything that I haven't tried?
Taking it to Vauxhall is a definite no-no given the exorbitant costs involved (and VAT goes up in January :( ) and I imagine that ripping out the entire audio system and replacing it with aftermarket kit is not going to prove cost-effective. Given these scenarios then I think once the weather improves - July perhaps - it'll be time for a float on ebay....
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Hmm . . .
I have a suspicion that your replacement changer may be FUBAR
Unlikely to be anything you have done though.
:'(
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I said I'd report back when time permitted....
Have duly removed screws and head unit, which remained disconnected for about half an hour as it happened. Refitted the replacement CD changer then reconnected the head unit and powered it up.
Entered codes for radio and CD changer as requested on display then switched to CD - got NO MAGAZINE first up as I'd not filled it with CDs at this point. Put half a dozen random ones in and replaced in unit in boot. Repowered up radio and switched to CD and what did we get....
ERROR CDC
Does this now mean I have inadvertently Christmas-crackered the replacement set which was working prior to me getting my hands on it? :-?
I'm extremely reluctant to buy yet another one (at upwards of £40 a throw) to have a repeat occurrence. Given that I cannot get the changers to work it also means I cannot sell them on as being in working order. Does this point to a more in-depth issue with the audio system and will an auto-electrician or audio specialist be able to accomplish anything that I haven't tried?
Taking it to Vauxhall is a definite no-no given the exorbitant costs involved (and VAT goes up in January :( ) and I imagine that ripping out the entire audio system and replacing it with aftermarket kit is not going to prove cost-effective. Given these scenarios then I think once the weather improves - July perhaps - it'll be time for a float on ebay....
:o :o
maybe I should sell my spare!
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The last two that I've seen on ebay that would fit mine (with 321 as last set of numbers) have been priced at £40 and £50 plus postage costs (usually a tenner or so).
Bearing in mind if yours works then I'd come down to Northants to fit it into mine and see if we can get the flaming thing to work and if - after 3 changers - then it has to be something else amiss with my system.
EDIT:
Both the unit that came with my car (presumably the original) and the replacement unit I purchased have had final digits reading 321 of the 10-digit sequence on the side label. Recently I noted on a parts website
http://www.ccpip.org/800/service/partno.html
that their listing for the CCRT700 reads 320 as the final digits.
Is anyone able to clarify this please in case I've bought the wrong model based on an incorrect model being fitted to the car prior to my ownership? The car is a 1999 mini-facelift (on V-plate) 3.0 Elite saloon auto.
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Whats the 10 digit part no of the head unit, and I will have a look
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Whats the 10 digit part no of the head unit, and I will have a look
There are lots of numbers on this ::)
There are these that I can see but nothing seems to be 10-digits:
No: 90 566 805 (rear label)
GM1700X1015985 (stamped into side casing)
S30880-S1000-A100-1 (on Siemens label)
There are also three numbers under barcodes which look way longer than 10 digits.
These are not, I feel, the right numbers - where else should I be looking?
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Ok, the CDC2 changer I think(?) you need is a
7 607 797 321
P.S. the parts website you linked to is far from complete. It only shows 2 variants of CDC2 when I am aware of at least 11 different ones
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Dave - these are indeed the numbers I have on both CDCs - my replacement from ebay and the one that came with the car.
I also noticed in FAQ section:
"The units have a two digit ID on them as follows:
FA - Suitable for all radios that do no have Phone function
FC - Only suitable for radios with phone function (i.e. CCRT700) "
Given that I have the latter arrangement, I would be looking for FC code I imagine... however the replacement model has FD as does the original that came with the vehicle and is listed on the CarPass (presumably the original Vx item when new).
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Sorry, I have absolutely no faith in the so called two digit ID system you have mentioned - I have found it to be very inconsistant over the years, so rather than rely on anything like that created by the Vx guys, I personally only rely on the 10 digit number previously mentioned that came directly from Blaupunkt, the manufacturers of the Changers.
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Thank you Dave DND for all your help in this matter. A further complication - that I don't need - is that the ebay seller has refused a refund for the defective CDC that I purchased from them. I am extremely reluctant to buy another one in case the same occurs.
An unrelated straw - as in camel's back - is that my new battery has now died... Having not used the car over Christmas (nowhere to go really!) and very little during the snow and ice preceding that I now find that it won't start after probably no more than a fortnight's non-use. Have to say my previous car (Cougar V6) remained unused/unstarted for months at a time - literally - and would always fire up when needed.
Naturally I'm not going to buy another battery but once the weather improves - about February probably - then I'll wash and polish the car and advertise on ebay and a few other classified sites. I don't for one moment expect to make back anywhere near the £1300 I paid so will be embarking upon banger territory no doubt (see below).
These niggles - CD changer, driver's non-heated seat, battery draining when left - are things I don't need and given the cost of the last service and £80 on petrol for a trip to Essex :( this car has become far more costly than I expected. What I need is a car that needs no work doing and simply needs cleaning and filling with petrol every three months - so it'll probably be a toss up between Lego or Toyota... ;)