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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: Raymond on 18 February 2011, 12:57:15

Title: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: Raymond on 18 February 2011, 12:57:15
Having looked at the excellent post about removing the cd changer part of this stereo it gave me an idea. The cd changer connects to the tape/tuner part by a ribbon lead, could this be used to connect an aftermarket cd changer (by appropriate adaptor)? My player is really struggling to play any cd now and it is doing my head in. Does anyone have details of the pin connections between the units?
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: VXL V6 on 18 February 2011, 13:01:30
Unlikely as it's proprietry to Siemens / Phillips, it may be possible to connect a CDC2 instead of a CDC3 but that would be a downgrade and a lot of work for little return!

Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: Raymond on 18 February 2011, 13:10:04
Thanks VXL V6, back to the drawing board then. I have bose and am quite happy with the system, plus i don't want to re-wire the speakers for a new headunit, just thought it might be possible to add a changer using the red connector/ribbon that connects the two units. Oh well, the joys!
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: TheBoy on 18 February 2011, 13:40:14
It is possible to replace the lower half of the CD Changer with a know good working one. Just keep the vertical board in the CD Changer with the headunit, as this is how the CD Coding works.
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: Raymond on 18 February 2011, 14:21:43
Thanks guys but I think I have found something that means I can fit an aftermarket stereo and retain the Bose setup, just need to find if they will send it from America!
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: TheBoy on 18 February 2011, 14:31:01
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Thanks guys but I think I have found something that means I can fit an aftermarket stereo and retain the Bose setup, just need to find if they will send it from America!
Check with Dave DND - he says each manufacturer uses a different Bose system, running at different levels.  I assume that means that Bose adapters have to be manufacturer specific?
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: Raymond on 18 February 2011, 14:40:42
This is the product and it is adjustable.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00009UHSO?tag=mn1-20

I am in conversation with someone at Bose at the moment to get the output levels so it could be calibrated.
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: Raymond on 18 February 2011, 14:44:13
iPod and mp3 compatibility here we come, maybe!
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: markrl on 18 February 2011, 15:28:13
It will be interesting to see what DaveDND has to say about this little gadget.

The manufacturers manual is available online

https://www.scosche.com/ecom/download/oea4_inst.pdf
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: Raymond on 18 February 2011, 15:56:04
Assuming I can get this from America, what else is required to keep the steering controls and display. Am I right in thinking that Kenwood are the only company that do a display interface? And also is there a remote wire for the amp from the original HU?
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: Kevin Wood on 18 February 2011, 16:09:50
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Assuming I can get this from America, what else is required to keep the steering controls and display. Am I right in thinking that Kenwood are the only company that do a display interface? And also is there a remote wire for the amp from the original HU?

Yes, there is, and it's a reasonably conventional "+12v when on" signal that also powers the illumination of the steering wheel buttons, triggers the MID to display radio data and powers the antenna preamp.

You will need interfaces for the steering and display specific to the head unit type.

Kevin
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: Raymond on 18 February 2011, 16:15:04
Cheers Kevin, so most aftermarket units will also be able to keep the display, I know most will connect to the steering wheel but I thought in most cases you lost the function of the display.
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: Kevin Wood on 18 February 2011, 16:20:58
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Cheers Kevin, so most aftermarket units will also be able to keep the display, I know most will connect to the steering wheel but I thought in most cases you lost the function of the display.

Sorry - that connection just tells the display that it needs to switch to showing the radio information. The display will remain blank unless you have an additional adaptor to connect head unit and display. Not sure how common they are, TBH.  :-/

Kevin
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: Raymond on 18 February 2011, 16:25:29
Cheers, I think from my previous exploits in my Vectra and Astra, Kenwood are the only one that make a Vx Display adapter. I will look into it, it's not essential was just wondering who made the display adapters
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: Dave DND on 18 February 2011, 16:27:42
OK,

No, you cannot simply connect an aftermarket changer, its not just the wiring that is different, the protocol (language) they communicate with is wildly different.

No, the Scoshe convertors do not work on the Omega - they are very good on GM units sold in the USA, but like everything BOSE, they all work at different levels.
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: Raymond on 18 February 2011, 16:28:48
Just had a reply from the nice man at Bose. Apparently all the Omega Bose systems work on 7v RMS output. I take it this figure will be at peak volume output?
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: Dave DND on 18 February 2011, 16:45:52
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Just had a reply from the nice man at Bose. Apparently all the Omega Bose systems work on 7v RMS output. I take it this figure will be at peak volume output?

Not quite as simple as that -

The "range"  and incremenation of voltages is also incompatable for use with anything else.

BOSE works with BOSE equipment ONLY !

If you want to use anything NON BOSE then the whole lot has to be ripped out - we have all tried it here and it simply does not work. Please research and re-read the threads here over the years, as it will save you a lot of time and trouble, and will also prevent me from repeating myself for the umpteenth time.
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: Raymond on 18 February 2011, 17:00:13
Thanks Dave, do you not think this adjuster will work then. Many of the owners of American cars with Bose have used it to install a new head unit with great results.
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: Dave DND on 18 February 2011, 17:31:24
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Thanks Dave, do you not think this adjuster will work then. Many of the owners of American cars with Bose have used it to install a new head unit with great results.


USA GM BOSE adaptor works only on USA GM cars -

Honda BOSE adaptor works only on Honda cars -

Audi BOSE adaptor works only on Audi Cars -

Starting to see the pattern yet ??

If not, heres the answer you don`t want

Vauxhall UK BOSE adaptor - never been produced !!

 :-X
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: Raymond on 18 February 2011, 17:38:02
Being a little sharp there Dave. It is a universal adapter that works for any car with Bose. You adjust it using the screws to suit your car. I have been reading reviews about it all afternoon. It has also been superceeded by a version with RCA connections one side and speaker wire the other to connect to RCA outputs on head units. I also contacted Crutchfields, one of Americas biggest electronic retailers dealing with cars and they recommended it to me. I never at any point said it was for Vauxhall, Honda or any other make.
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: Dave DND on 18 February 2011, 17:42:07
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Being a little sharp there Dave. It is a universal adapter that works for any car with Bose. You adjust it using the screws to suit your car. I have been reading reviews about it all afternoon. It has also been superceeded by a version with RCA connections one side and speaker wire the other to connect to RCA outputs on head units. I also contacted Crutchfields, one of Americas biggest electronic retailers dealing with cars and they recommended it to me. I never at any point said it was for Vauxhall, Honda or any other make.

No, it is an american product that indeed has adjustable sensitivity to suit most af the USA cars, and if you have an American car, it works very well - we use them a lot.

Still doesn`t work on the Omega though, never has and never will.

Sorry if I sound "sharp" but I`ve been having this same conversation every week on here for a couple of years now, and I`m getting bored with it.
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: Raymond on 18 February 2011, 17:56:33
Can you explain to me then why it works in different makes of car? Are American car speaker signals different from UK signals? Why would it not work, it just goes in the speaker cables from the head unit?
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: Dave DND on 18 February 2011, 18:04:35
Have a trawl through the forum, as this has been covered in extreme depth already by several members who have extensively researched this.
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: Raymond on 18 February 2011, 18:09:14
I have but this product is sold in quite a few countries specifically for Bose systems in any make of car, I cant understand why it wouldn't work. You say you have used them, so could you just explain to me (a noob) why it never has and never will work,
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: Dave DND on 18 February 2011, 18:23:37
Sorry, but I really do not have time to go over all of this again, especially when it has been discussed on here in so much detail.

Unlike others on this forum, I do not own an Omega, never have and never will, but my reasons for being here are due to the amount of problems caused with the OEM Vx systems, and people trying to integrate aftermarket equipment and blowing stuff up. Thats the only reason I am on here. I am purely in it to finance our radio research and repair centre, and to put fuel in the Aston.

My dilehmma here is that if people actually listened to me, and stopped trying to connect iPods and BOSE equipment, I would be out of a job on this forum, as would have nothing to repair !!

But you are unconvinced, so buy one, try it, blow up your stereo, and then see how much its costs to put it right, and then listen to everybody else saying "told you so"

Apologies if this is not what you want to hear, I`m having a bad afternoon, as everyone has just decided they want things repaired for tomorrows half term and are getting ratty when I say not enough hours in the day.

 :'(
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: Raymond on 18 February 2011, 18:33:08
Okay thanks, I was just after your perspective as you said you had tried this product and state catergorically that it will never work. Hope you get through all your work on time, cause your Aston must need some amount of petrol, nearly as much as my Omega at the moment, lol
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: Dave DND on 18 February 2011, 18:37:23
Basically Problems occur from either being overdriven at the top end, and if the adjusters are adjusted correctly, then you lose all control over the bottom end and can end up with a volume control that is either all or nothing, there is no smooth transition of volume.

Unlike the other BOSE amplifiers used in other vehicles, the Vx ones seem to have a much more limited volume range - in laymans terms, if you imagine a volume control that goes from 0 to 10, then the BOSE one appears to be working from 2 to 7, and none of the adaptors on the market can cope with this, with the exception of using with a very few head units with linear rotary volume controls (not a rotary encoder) but these all seem to overdrive and burn out audio outputs too quickly anyway.
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: Dave DND on 18 February 2011, 18:40:51
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your Aston must need some amount of petrol, nearly as much as my Omega at the moment, lol

Probably more economical than most Omegas on here, judging by the consumption figures being banded about - (about 18mpg around town - and much less on an open road  :P)
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: VXL V6 on 18 February 2011, 18:57:47
[lie mode on] Dave loves Bose really.... ;D [lie mode off]
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: Dave DND on 18 February 2011, 19:27:11
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[lie mode on] Dave loves Bose really.... ;D [lie mode off]

Actually, I do - !!  I have no problems with BOSE

I even had a BOSE system in my old Porsche 996, and it sounded so good, that I actually left it alone and didn`t even try to upgrade it - unheard of, and I got a lot of stick for that.

What I do have a problem with though, is people who reckon that a BOSE system designed 20 Years ago, sounds better than modern stuff - it really doesn`t, and I still do not understand why people go to such effort in trying to fit such old technology, when so much good stuff is so readily available.

 :-?
Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: VXL V6 on 18 February 2011, 20:06:35
Dave, I think you need to build us a demo Omega install on a set budget, say £500......

.....then we can see what's achievable as I feel the key to people installing a Bose solution lies in the fact that looking purely at pounds (which I know is wrong, you should buy audio equipment using your ears as the judge) you can buy a Bose loom, amp and speakers for around £80 from a breaker and a head unit in keeping with the interior for £100 - £200 depending on what spec you are looking for....

Title: Re: CCR2006 cd connections
Post by: Dave DND on 18 February 2011, 20:22:32
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Dave, I think you need to build us a demo Omega install on a set budget, say £500......

.....then we can see what's achievable as I feel the key to people installing a Bose solution lies in the fact that looking purely at pounds (which I know is wrong, you should buy audio equipment using your ears as the judge) you can buy a Bose loom, amp and speakers for around £80 from a breaker and a head unit in keeping with the interior for £100 - £200 depending on what spec you are looking for....


Come and have a listen to our Astra cabriolet - I did a similar thing after similar requests from various forums - what is the most sound you can squeeze on a budget.

I wanted to put in a touch sensistive head unit with rear iPod connection, connected to the steering controls, complete with a bluetooth connection for the phone and fit front component speakers and rear coaxials all in the original locations - I needed to be able to crank it up as load as poss, playing some fairly "challenging" dance music, with no distortion and a good bass - and had to do the whole lot with a retail price excluding labour of sub £500

Came it at around £480, - and is our best selling system, when people hear it they simply say "I want this"

Clarion head unit

http://www.dndservices.co.uk/fz709e.html

Front speakers

http://www.dndservices.co.uk/srp1721s.html

Rear Speakers

http://www.dndservices.co.uk/srx1385.html

Come and have a listen if you are in the area !

 8-)