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Title: Using the built in phone
Post by: vauxomegaelite on 02 June 2011, 22:18:41
How would i go about using my current mobile sim in my miggy?
Is there a special holder for the sim card  to allow it to be used?
Many thanks
Shaun
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: Lazydocker on 02 June 2011, 22:20:13
I just use a PAYG sim from O2 in the car and divert my mobile to it ;) ;) ;)

But to answer your question, you need a full size sim :y :y
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: vauxomegaelite on 02 June 2011, 22:23:41
by diverting my mobile to a payg sim would you need to have credit on the payg sim?

As for the full size sim would i be able to get that and use it alongside my original sim using the same number?
If so where can i get one?

Cheers
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: Lazydocker on 02 June 2011, 22:28:18
I have one where the only requirement is to top up £10/year to keep the number active. The diverted calls from my mobile are within my minutes :y :y

IIRC O2 used to do "Dual SIM" packs... 2 SIM cards, one number :y But I have a funny feeling they can't do that any more :-/ :-/
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: vauxomegaelite on 02 June 2011, 22:30:09
Ok thanks for your help will have to look into it

Cheers
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: Andy B on 02 June 2011, 22:32:52
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How would i go about using my current mobile sim in my miggy?
Is there a special holder for the sim card  to allow it to be used?
Many thanks
Shaun

There is/was a cardboard SIM card holder, but if you tape your SIM to the full size card it was broken out of in the first place, that will do you. It does me & has for years.  :y :y

It needs to be a Vodafone or O2  ;)
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: vauxomegaelite on 02 June 2011, 22:35:01
Nice one Andy thanks, i think i'll do that then, and thats good as i'm on vodaphone

Cheers
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: Martian on 03 June 2011, 07:56:42
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IIRC O2 used to do "Dual SIM" packs... 2 SIM cards, one number :y But I have a funny feeling they can't do that any more :-/ :-/
Are you sure about that?

It's quite possible to have dual SIM handsets, but you can't have 2 cards with the same number active at the same time, the network would see this as fraud and shut both cards down.
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: Dave DND on 03 June 2011, 08:12:42
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IIRC O2 used to do "Dual SIM" packs... 2 SIM cards, one number :y But I have a funny feeling they can't do that any more :-/ :-/
Are you sure about that?

It's quite possible to have dual SIM handsets, but you can't have 2 cards with the same number active at the same time, the network would see this as fraud and shut both cards down.

Yes, they did indeed offer that for a very short while back in the early nineties, when Car Phones and mobiles had large SIM cards inside that were not easily swapped from one to another. I know I had a set from O2 in 1992 but this had been dropped in 1993 as it was found that despite strict instructions, people either did not turn off their portable mobile phone when getting into the car to use the car one instead, or the Missus took the car for a drive and both became activated simultaneously.

 ;)
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: TheBoy on 03 June 2011, 09:33:28
Voda Business used to do a multiple SIM, one number offer. Doubt still available.

Must be O2 or Voda, or networks that use their networks (eg, Tesco Mobile, Giffgaff etc - iirc, Asda use Voda?)
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: blackviper90210 on 03 June 2011, 19:01:45
I'm with T-mobile.
Rang them today asking about call diverting and they told me it will cost 12p p/m to divert a call to O2.
Not sure whether it's worth it or if anyone knows of a better way?

Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: Lampynoiseboy on 05 June 2011, 00:52:43
I have a friend who works for Voda, & can confirm that Voda don't do more than 1 sim on a number for the reasons listed above- and hasn't heard of any other network doing so despite repeated customer requests

Seem to remember credit card size sim adaptors on fleabay...

hth
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: TheBoy on 05 June 2011, 10:57:34
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I have a friend who works for Voda, & can confirm that Voda don't do more than 1 sim on a number for the reasons listed above- and hasn't heard of any other network doing so despite repeated customer requests

Seem to remember credit card size sim adaptors on fleabay...

hth
Trouble with using 1 sim is the sims and the phones aren't designed for constant sim changing.
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: TheBoy on 05 June 2011, 11:05:54
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I'm with T-mobile.
Rang them today asking about call diverting and they told me it will cost 12p p/m to divert a call to O2.
Not sure whether it's worth it or if anyone knows of a better way?

One of the methods I am just starting to use...

Both my iPhone and (now, at last) my Telematics are on Giffgaff (part of Telefonica, thus uses O2 network).

Giffgaff to Giffgaff calls are free, as long as you have topped up in the last 3 months.

The iPhone is topped up monthly (ie, I pay my £10 for 250m, unlimited text, unlimited data), so will always have free Giffgaff-Giffgaff calls, so I've just started diverting that to Telematics.

(The £15 I have on the Telematics PAYG sim will last me at least a year (calls=8p/min))

I guess I will find out soon if forwarded calls are uncluded in the free minutes ;D


Why not check out for yourself, and if you use my link below, you get a £5 the first time you top up :y

http://giffgaff.com/orders/affiliate/theboy
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: tunnie on 05 June 2011, 11:10:30
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I'm with T-mobile.
Rang them today asking about call diverting and they told me it will cost 12p p/m to divert a call to O2.
Not sure whether it's worth it or if anyone knows of a better way?

One of the methods I am just starting to use...

Both my iPhone and (now, at last) my Telematics are on Giffgaff (part of Telefonica, thus uses O2 network).

Giffgaff to Giffgaff calls are free, as long as you have topped up in the last 3 months.

The iPhone is topped up monthly (ie, I pay my £10 for 250m, unlimited text, unlimited data), so will always have free Giffgaff-Giffgaff calls, so I've just started diverting that to Telematics.

(The £15 I have on the Telematics PAYG sim will last me at least a year (calls=8p/min))

I guess I will find out soon if forwarded calls are uncluded in the free minutes ;D


Why not check out for yourself, and if you use my link below, you get a £5 the first time you top up :y

http://giffgaff.com/orders/affiliate/theboy

I found an interesting way to divert, you can just create a contact and put the #63 i think? at the front of the number. Just "call" it to divert :)

Just save contact as divert on and off, and stick them as a favourite  :)
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: TheBoy on 05 June 2011, 11:11:58
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I'm with T-mobile.
Rang them today asking about call diverting and they told me it will cost 12p p/m to divert a call to O2.
Not sure whether it's worth it or if anyone knows of a better way?

One of the methods I am just starting to use...

Both my iPhone and (now, at last) my Telematics are on Giffgaff (part of Telefonica, thus uses O2 network).

Giffgaff to Giffgaff calls are free, as long as you have topped up in the last 3 months.

The iPhone is topped up monthly (ie, I pay my £10 for 250m, unlimited text, unlimited data), so will always have free Giffgaff-Giffgaff calls, so I've just started diverting that to Telematics.

(The £15 I have on the Telematics PAYG sim will last me at least a year (calls=8p/min))

I guess I will find out soon if forwarded calls are uncluded in the free minutes ;D


Why not check out for yourself, and if you use my link below, you get a £5 the first time you top up :y

http://giffgaff.com/orders/affiliate/theboy

I found an interesting way to divert, you can just create a contact and put the #63 i think? at the front of the number. Just "call" it to divert :)

Just save contact as divert on and off, and stick them as a favourite  :)
The shortcode is network dependent - for eg, on your landline, if you have network services, its *21*numbertodivertto#
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: TheBoy on 05 June 2011, 11:12:59
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I'm with T-mobile.
Rang them today asking about call diverting and they told me it will cost 12p p/m to divert a call to O2.
Not sure whether it's worth it or if anyone knows of a better way?

One of the methods I am just starting to use...

Both my iPhone and (now, at last) my Telematics are on Giffgaff (part of Telefonica, thus uses O2 network).

Giffgaff to Giffgaff calls are free, as long as you have topped up in the last 3 months.

The iPhone is topped up monthly (ie, I pay my £10 for 250m, unlimited text, unlimited data), so will always have free Giffgaff-Giffgaff calls, so I've just started diverting that to Telematics.

(The £15 I have on the Telematics PAYG sim will last me at least a year (calls=8p/min))

I guess I will find out soon if forwarded calls are uncluded in the free minutes ;D


Why not check out for yourself, and if you use my link below, you get a £5 the first time you top up :y

http://giffgaff.com/orders/affiliate/theboy
Just checked, giffgaff to giffgaff call forwarding is free if you have topped up the phone being forwarded in the last 3 months.
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: tunnie on 05 June 2011, 11:13:23
shall use that if i ever get telematics  :)
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: Lampynoiseboy on 05 June 2011, 15:42:12
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I have a friend who works for Voda, & can confirm that Voda don't do more than 1 sim on a number for the reasons listed above- and hasn't heard of any other network doing so despite repeated customer requests

Seem to remember credit card size sim adaptors on fleabay...

hth
Trouble with using 1 sim is the sims and the phones aren't designed for constant sim changing.

And of course with the Iphone, you'd need 2 adaptors..... can't see that silly plastic holder putting up with much use as you say

The Giffgaff thing sounds like a result tho  :)
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: Rich-K on 06 June 2011, 17:01:11
I just use my ordinary mobile handset with a fitted hands free kit in the car.  That way I can always receive/make calls, one number and no need to divert anything.
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: TheBoy on 06 June 2011, 18:31:03
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I just use my ordinary mobile handset with a fitted hands free kit in the car.  That way I can always receive/make calls, one number and no need to divert anything.
Yes, I have the CK-7W fitted as well, but outgoing calls (without dialling on handset) are a PITA on the gayPhone, as voice dialling on it is appallingly, errr, gay.  Apparently, I do not speak how Mr Jobs would like me to speak.
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: Dave DND on 06 June 2011, 18:31:12
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I just use my ordinary mobile handset with a fitted hands free kit in the car.  That way I can always receive/make calls, one number and no need to divert anything.

 :-X :-X :-X   ;D
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: TheBoy on 06 June 2011, 18:32:52
Would I retrofit Telematics again? No.

Would I use Telematics if fitted? Yup.
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: blackviper90210 on 06 June 2011, 19:10:43
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Would I retrofit Telematics again? No.

Would I use Telematics if fitted? Yup.
Feel totally dumb here, but what is Telematics please?
In idiot language, lol  ;)
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: Dave DND on 06 June 2011, 19:26:27
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Would I retrofit Telematics again? No.

Would I use Telematics if fitted? Yup.
Feel totally dumb here, but what is Telematics please?
In idiot language, lol  ;)

The telematics is essentially a dedicated, security code protected phone kit that is remote mounted somewhere in the rear of the car, but fully integrates  with and is controlled by the top end stereo systems that often also incorporate sat nav as well.

Glorified phone kit that only works with O2 and Voda !

Plain enough for you ?

 ;)

Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: TheBoy on 06 June 2011, 19:40:39
What Dave DND says above, though fully integrated into the stereo, thus controlled by steering wheel and MID/GID/CID etc.

Works well enough, though Voda/O2 (and associated networks such as Tesco and GiffGaff) only, but a bit of a pain to retrofit, and only supported by the NCDx range of stereos.

CCRT700 (prefacelift) and CCRT200x (facelift) are the same idea (with same limitations around Networks), but the phone unit is actually built in bolted on the back of the stereo
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: blackviper90210 on 06 June 2011, 19:52:45
Cheers for that guys, at least I can follow the conversation and understand it now!  :y
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: Lampynoiseboy on 11 June 2011, 00:11:20
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I just use my ordinary mobile handset with a fitted hands free kit in the car.  That way I can always receive/make calls, one number and no need to divert anything.
Yes, I have the CK-7W fitted as well, but outgoing calls (without dialling on handset) are a PITA on the gayPhone, as voice dialling on it is appallingly, errr, gay.  Apparently, I do not speak how Mr Jobs would like me to speak.

Have you tried an arrogant American accent?
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: TheBoy on 11 June 2011, 21:24:34
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I just use my ordinary mobile handset with a fitted hands free kit in the car.  That way I can always receive/make calls, one number and no need to divert anything.
Yes, I have the CK-7W fitted as well, but outgoing calls (without dialling on handset) are a PITA on the gayPhone, as voice dialling on it is appallingly, errr, gay.  Apparently, I do not speak how Mr Jobs would like me to speak.

Have you tried an arrogant American accent?
No, but when I shouted a torrent of abuse at the bloody thing, it replied with "Calling Home".  Not quite sure how it got that from "dial the right ******* number, you homosexual piece of hopeless ******* ****"

 :-/
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: Lampynoiseboy on 11 June 2011, 23:30:33
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I just use my ordinary mobile handset with a fitted hands free kit in the car.  That way I can always receive/make calls, one number and no need to divert anything.
Yes, I have the CK-7W fitted as well, but outgoing calls (without dialling on handset) are a PITA on the gayPhone, as voice dialling on it is appallingly, errr, gay.  Apparently, I do not speak how Mr Jobs would like me to speak.

Have you tried an arrogant American accent?
No, but when I shouted a torrent of abuse at the bloody thing, it replied with "Calling Home".  Not quite sure how it got that from "dial the right ******* number, you homosexual piece of hopeless ******* ****"

 :-/

Maybe by "home" it meant calling Apple?
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: TheBoy on 12 June 2011, 11:20:13
I might have mentioned the banned C word if a fit of rage, so maybe it thought I did mean Mr Jobs.
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: VXL V6 on 12 June 2011, 11:34:25
What's all this about Telematics being in the boot.... Who on earth would put the thing in there....  ::)

I have a Pay Upfront for life sim in my telematics, unfortunately the service providers don't supply these simms anymore.... I can't think why!
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: Lazydocker on 12 June 2011, 12:19:43
I have an O2 PAYG sim in the telematics and divert my normal phone to it (so far all forwarded calls have been free) but want the H/F kit because I get annoyed with dialling out on a PAYG when I have plenty of free minutes on my handset! Plus, when abroad the PAYG is horrendously expensive ::)

Also, for some reason, the call forwarding feature on my network doesn't work more than about 5 times in a day, which is a PITA if doing lots of jumping in and out of the car!
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: Lampynoiseboy on 12 June 2011, 18:04:06
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I might have mentioned the banned C word if a fit of rage, so maybe it thought I did mean Mr Jobs.

 ;D

Think that applies to ALL voice recognition systems, never found one that works properly, even the ones you record your own voicetags
Title: Re: Using the built in phone
Post by: TheBoy on 12 June 2011, 19:01:34
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I might have mentioned the banned C word if a fit of rage, so maybe it thought I did mean Mr Jobs.

 ;D

Think that applies to ALL voice recognition systems, never found one that works properly, even the ones you record your own voicetags
My old Winmo 6.5 was pretty good. Not infallible, but still pretyy reliable (unlike the rest of the HTC piece of shite).

But the Apple is appallingly bad, pity as the rest of the phone is very reliable and 'does what it says on the tin'