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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: footloose on 14 July 2011, 15:32:09

Title: cd player.
Post by: footloose on 14 July 2011, 15:32:09
And another thing, i was playing a cd the other day when it stopped and the display said that there was no cd, well there was and the damn thing wont let me have it back.
The radio works ok. Anyone any ideas?
 :'(
Title: Re: cd player.
Post by: Dave DND on 14 July 2011, 16:03:49
What model of CD player are we referring to ?

Error message on the display ?

Genuine or recordable discs ?

 :-?
Title: Re: cd player.
Post by: footloose on 15 July 2011, 14:43:38
NCD2013. The CD i was playing is one i did on the computer.
It plays perfectly on my player indoors.
There is no error messages that i can see apart from in the top bit of the player it says track 4 yet at the bottom of the display it says no CD.
It did play a bit this morning a couple of times but now its gone back to its negative ways. >:(
Title: Re: cd player.
Post by: RobG on 15 July 2011, 14:49:19
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NCD2013. The CD i was playing is one i did on the computer.It plays perfectly on my player indoors.
There is no error messages that i can see apart from in the top bit of the player it says track 4 yet at the bottom of the display it says no CD.
It did play a bit this morning a couple of times but now its gone back to its negative ways. >:(
There`s your problem then. Quickest way to knacker the laser
Title: Re: cd player.
Post by: tunnie on 15 July 2011, 14:53:51
Yup home brew CD's don't take long to nacker the players, facelift ones are particularly weak.
Title: Re: cd player.
Post by: Dave DND on 15 July 2011, 15:02:54
Sounds like your laser can no longer detect the disc that is in there and does not know its own internal state.

Remove radio for 1 hour, refit (code if required) and eject disc quickly before any other function is used.

for more info on copied discs, see here

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1300229193

 ;)
Title: Re: cd player.
Post by: footloose on 15 July 2011, 15:09:24
Why on earth would a cd made on a computer be any different than a shop bought one. I can understand some cheap blank cd's can be a problem. Can it be the write speed?
Trouble is i'm a bit fussy about what i listen to.I don't always like all the tracks on a cd so i cut out the rubbish and copy the stuff i do like. :-?
Title: Re: cd player.
Post by: footloose on 15 July 2011, 15:18:55
Thanks dave i have now read the item and have got the picture. Bu**er most of the music i play is picked i can't put a cd in and listen to all the crap as well as the tracks i like.
Oh well i'll sit in near silence and eat jelly beans i suppose.
Title: Re: cd player.
Post by: Jimbob on 15 July 2011, 15:19:17
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Why on earth would a cd made on a computer be any different than a shop bought one. I can understand some cheap blank cd's can be a problem. Can it be the write speed?
Trouble is i'm a bit fussy about what i listen to.I don't always like all the tracks on a cd so i cut out the rubbish and copy the stuff i do like. :-?
Completey different manufacturing process.....very very different and incompatable, even if they do appear to work
Title: Re: cd player.
Post by: TheBoy on 15 July 2011, 16:31:38
Yes, CDRs are a problem in these (CDRWs don't work at all).

So whilst it may play, you will be (drastically) shortening the life of the lasers.

I have found top quality media (ie, Verbatim) burned at the slowest speed (normally 4x) on a quality desktop writer (Pioneer) to be the most successful, but you are still ultimately doing damage...
Title: Re: cd player.
Post by: Dave DND on 15 July 2011, 16:37:56
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I have found top quality media (ie, Verbatim) burned at the slowest speed (normally 4x) on a quality desktop writer (Pioneer) to be the most successful, but you are still ultimately doing damage...

Doesn`t matter which discs you are using as a get around, the format of the recordable disc is still incompatable

Title: Re: cd player.
Post by: TheBoy on 15 July 2011, 16:42:08
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I have found top quality media (ie, Verbatim) burned at the slowest speed (normally 4x) on a quality desktop writer (Pioneer) to be the most successful, but you are still ultimately doing damage...

Doesn`t matter which discs you are using as a get around, the format of the recordable disc is still incompatable

Indeed. Its still doing damage, and cannot be recommended.  Just stating what works for me - plus I have enough spares to see me through my Omega ownership ;D
Title: Re: cd player.
Post by: tangocat on 15 July 2011, 21:46:34
After reading the guide was just wondering would these work????
http://www.srtl.co.uk/srtl/tdk/cdrxg.html?gclid=CPqNgK2bhKoCFYpA4QodHBbkyA

they seem to have the right markings don't they? :-?
Title: Re: cd player.
Post by: Stallion on 16 July 2011, 02:57:43
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Yes, CDRs are a problem in these (CDRWs don't work at all).

So whilst it may play, you will be (drastically) shortening the life of the lasers.I have found top quality media (ie, Verbatim) burned at the slowest speed (normally 4x) on a quality desktop writer (Pioneer) to be the most successful, but you are still ultimately doing damage...

Does this apply to just vx headunits or all after market too?
Title: Re: cd player.
Post by: TheBoy on 16 July 2011, 08:40:00
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After reading the guide was just wondering would these work????
http://www.srtl.co.uk/srtl/tdk/cdrxg.html?gclid=CPqNgK2bhKoCFYpA4QodHBbkyA

they seem to have the right markings don't they? :-?
Whilst they may work (for a while), they are still CDRs, thus cause the same strain on the laser.
Title: Re: cd player.
Post by: TheBoy on 16 July 2011, 08:42:40
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Yes, CDRs are a problem in these (CDRWs don't work at all).

So whilst it may play, you will be (drastically) shortening the life of the lasers.I have found top quality media (ie, Verbatim) burned at the slowest speed (normally 4x) on a quality desktop writer (Pioneer) to be the most successful, but you are still ultimately doing damage...

Does this apply to just vx headunits or all after market too?
Vx units from 2004 onwards dont suffer this.

To be honest, if the unit plays MP3s from CD, then it should be OK, otherwise not.

It seems the Philips stuff from the 90s and earliy 00s suffer worse, and its Philips lasers that are fitted to facelift cars.  Minifacelifts have non Philips CDC2s, these are pretty bombproof...
Title: Re: cd player.
Post by: Dave DND on 16 July 2011, 14:00:44
As a general rule, ANY CD player, whether aftermarket or not, will suffer from this problem unless it has specifically been designed to run with recordable discs.

Aftermarket ones in the early days were badged up as CDR/RW and later as MP3. OEM stereos simply jumped straight into MP3 around 2004/5 onwards.

So, If it says CDR/RW or MP3 on the front, then you can safely use recordable media, if not, then genuine only.

 :y
Title: Re: cd player.
Post by: noel on 16 July 2011, 14:24:12
im fussy about my music too (northern soul) bit hard to come by.so upgraded to a face off head unit with usb connection.
happy days  :) :) :y
Title: Re: cd player.
Post by: Dodger on 16 July 2011, 14:28:08
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Yes, CDRs are a problem in these (CDRWs don't work at all).

So whilst it may play, you will be (drastically) shortening the life of the lasers.I have found top quality media (ie, Verbatim) burned at the slowest speed (normally 4x) on a quality desktop writer (Pioneer) to be the most successful, but you are still ultimately doing damage...

Does this apply to just vx headunits or all after market too?
Vx units from 2004 onwards dont suffer this.

To be honest, if the unit plays MP3s from CD, then it should be OK, otherwise not.

It seems the Philips stuff from the 90s and earliy 00s suffer worse, and its Philips lasers that are fitted to facelift cars.  Minifacelifts have non Philips CDC2s, these are pretty bombproof...

OK, so I have a CCR600 (philips)and CDC2 (Blauplunkt) fitted..
Will the CDC2 play CDR/CDRW's OK, or still knacker the laser???
just interested to know, regarding the statement by TB above.  :-/
Title: Re: cd player.
Post by: Dave DND on 16 July 2011, 16:23:57
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OK, so I have a CCR600 (philips)and CDC2 (Blauplunkt) fitted..
Will the CDC2 play CDR/CDRW's OK, or still knacker the laser???

Does nobody understand this ?

NONE OF THE OMEGA CD PLAYERS EVER SUPPLIED WILL ALLOW ANYTHING OTHER THAN GENUINE DISCS TO BE PLAYED - IF YOU DO YOU WILL KNACKER IT

 >:(
Title: Re: cd player.
Post by: footloose on 16 July 2011, 17:25:39
I have got my disc out of the player and it seems to play the regular shop bought cd's ok.
I was driving along when it popped out so i grabbed it quick.
I think it may have suddenly recognised that there was a disk present and popped it out .I had better not play these things any more i suppose.
I wonder if i can wire in an external source........... :D
Title: Re: cd player.
Post by: footloose on 16 July 2011, 19:13:50
After reading most of the different feeds etc on this subject i for one will fall in line with Dave DND on this one. I have had some experience on this stuff back in the 80's when i was a computer tech. Mostly IBM laptops.
Technology has gone way past me now though i still have an oscilliscope some where in one of the sheds. I did once get hold of a geiger tube and built a lazer, damn nearly blew up the local elec. sub station after burning a hole in the sink and the cold water feedjust before the tube melted and nearly burning the house down. Good old days realy... :)