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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: TheBoy on 26 September 2011, 14:32:26
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This has caused a heated debate in the office today...
This is a local junction, very close to where I work in Bletchley.
If I were travelling in the direction of the blue arrows, which exits off the roundabout(s) could I use if I were in:
A) left lane
B) right lane
(http://theboy.omegaowners.com/oofpics/odds/traffic_q.JPG)
It would be particularly interesting to hear the views of those with authority to answer - though in the spirit of OOF debate, can those peeps wait a few hours, before stating their views.
AFAIK, from memory, there is no roadsign signage, other than saying what exit takes you where.
Let the battle commence!
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IMHO ::)
if you were in the left lane you'd be turning left to leave from the bottom of the picture or carying straight on to leave top left.
If in the right lane you'd be leaving from the top of the picture.
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COULD go anywhere in any of them....if your fast enough ;)
Road markings seem to not be showing the left turn on the arrows making it unclear, so seems to indicate..
IF in lane 1 on RB1 left or straight on
if in lane 2 straight on (as no left indicated) or full circle.
if in lane 1 on RB2 looks to be left only
if in lane 2, then right / full circle.
But does look ambiguous / large enough you could argue anything allowed bar right in the left lane..
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Well, I wouldn't fancy my chances of going anywhere other than right from the right hand lane. Left hand lane looks like Left or straight, although the road markings are pretty dire and appear to indicate straight only.
I can guarantee that there's at least one witch driving a Renault who would go wherever she rather liked from any lane she liked but... Calm down now... ::)
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Left lane to go left or straight ahead, right lane to go right :)
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Left lane to go left or straight ahead, right lane to go right :)
What he said.
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I would say the lane markings override the usual recommendation about straight on OK from the right lane if traffic dictates, therefore:
Left lane for exits 1 and 2
Right lane for exit 3 only
But I'm just an armchair eejit and that's just my belly rumbling.
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I can guarantee that there's at least one witch driving a Renault who would go wherever she rather liked from any lane she liked but... Calm down now... ::)
Quick - someone get Kevin his valium! ;)
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as above, left lane to go left and straight on, right hand lane right only
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Left lane to go left or straight ahead, right lane to go right :)
What he said.
Agreed
Now if there was two lanes exiting on the straight ahead it would be different
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Left lane to go left or straight ahead, right lane to go right :)
What he said.
Agreed
Now if there was two lanes exiting on the straight ahead it would be different
Left lane to go left or straight ahead, right lane to go right :)
What he said.
Agreed
Now if there was two lanes exiting on the straight ahead it would be different
What they said.
Would the opposing side of this office debate drive a BMW based vehicle perchance? Or possibly Audi tt.
Rightly or wrongly , I would turn left from the right lane as well. Obviously provided others in left lane where NOT going straight on. But if it went tits up I would also expect to be taking blame.... Given the road markings.
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i dont think the road markings are obscure at all. in the pic there is a silver or white car covering the straight ahead sign but there is another arrow before it also. . so clearly as there is a left hand turn, although the arrow is only showing ''straight ahead'' its obvious you need this lane to turn left also.
so to sum up....
left hand lane to turn left and straight on. right hand lane to turn right! :y
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Agreed,
left hand lane for left and straight
right hand lane to go right
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What Webby and Ratty said :y :y
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Having said that, arrows on the road are not good enough IMO. If common sense is not up to the job either the car in front will be on top of the arrows anyway. Is there not a clearer sign back up the road?
Not that it matters too much it's basic round about rules surely?
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Not that it matters too much it's basic round about rules surely?
Which it seems 90% of current drivers don't know ;) Then again, 90% of current drivers appear to be complete halfwits.
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Having said that, arrows on the road are not good enough IMO. If common sense is not up to the job either the car in front will be on top of the arrows anyway. Is there not a clearer sign back up the road?
Not that it matters too much it's basic round about rules surely?
you would have thought. although the fact that its even been asked would suggest common sense is about to be thrown on it's head ::) ;D
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Left hand lane turn left (1st exit) or staight on (2nd exit)
Right hand lane follow road markings and turn right (3rd exit), particularly as 2nd exit is single lane.
:y
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Hi TB, is that the roundabout by Tesco's with VAG garage opposite?
If so, that has always been a fun roundabout, even more so before they blocked the original old A5 going straight across (In the direction of your arrows).
The way I've viewed it, the layout is so bad, that if you could go in either lane. If your in the left lane you could follow the markings and go round the to right on the second roundabout and in theory, not cut anyone up :-\
It needs both roundabouts taken out and replaced with a long oval one!
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IMHO ::)
if you were in the left lane you'd be turning left to leave from the bottom of the picture or carying straight on to leave top left.
If in the right lane you'd be leaving from the top of the picture.
Yup, I agree with Andy, (check the Highway Code :) )
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forget highway code....follow paint work in road costs a lot to paint them signs :y
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Hi TB, is that the roundabout by Tesco's with VAG garage opposite?
If so, that has always been a fun roundabout, even more so before they blocked the original old A5 going straight across (In the direction of your arrows).
The way I've viewed it, the layout is so bad, that if you could go in either lane. If your in the left lane you could follow the markings and go round the to right on the second roundabout and in theory, not cut anyone up :-\
It needs both roundabouts taken out and replaced with a long oval one!
lol you said VAG ;D ;D ;D ;D :-[ :-[ :-[
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On a "normal" roundabout both lanes can be used to travel straight on unless road signs/markings tell you other wise, the left lane can also be used for turning left & the right lane also used for turning right or going around if you're confused ;D
The markings for the lanes in that picture are right for right & left for straight on.
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imo as a junior member i would tend to agree with the majority and left lane for left or straight on and right lane for right.....on consulting with wifey who knows all and does not stick to any lane in particular when going round a round about the direct route across the round about is favoured :o :o :o ;D
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imo as a junior member i would tend to agree with the majority and left lane for left or straight on and right lane for right.....on consulting with wifey who knows all and does not stick to any lane in particular when going round a round about the direct route across the round about is favoured :o :o :o ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
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On a "normal" roundabout both lanes can be used to travel straight on unless road signs/markings tell you other wise, the left lane can also be used for turning left & the right lane also used for turning right or going around if you're confused ;D
The markings for the lanes in that picture are right for right & left for straight on.
Sort of understand what you are saying, but there is only one lane straight ahead. That looks like a strange one anyway, looking at the pictures you seem to be able to turn around something :-[ before you get to the main bit..... :-\ :-\ :-\
Anyway, left lane for first and second exits and right for 3rd....... :y
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Hi TB, is that the roundabout by Tesco's with VAG garage opposite?
If so, that has always been a fun roundabout, even more so before they blocked the original old A5 going straight across (In the direction of your arrows).
The way I've viewed it, the layout is so bad, that if you could go in either lane. If your in the left lane you could follow the markings and go round the to right on the second roundabout and in theory, not cut anyone up :-\
It needs both roundabouts taken out and replaced with a long oval one!
yup, the very one, tescos and wayside Audi, not far from marshalling b&q
by right, do people mean leave the 2nd roundabout upwards?
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imo as a junior member i would tend to agree with the majority and left lane for left or straight on and right lane for right.....on consulting with wifey who knows all and does not stick to any lane in particular when going round a round about the direct route across the round about is favoured :o :o :o ;D
lol paul just cos youre a junior member of this site doesnt make you any less qualified as a driver and understanding driving rules! ::) ;D :y :y
as for the comment about right hand lane being ok to go straight on....... isn't this just for when the straight on path is dual lanes? wouldnt chance going straight over a roundabout with single exit lanes (as per picture) in the right hand lane! but hey, what do i know... i occasionally drive in my socks!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hi TB, is that the roundabout by Tesco's with VAG garage opposite?
If so, that has always been a fun roundabout, even more so before they blocked the original old A5 going straight across (In the direction of your arrows).
The way I've viewed it, the layout is so bad, that if you could go in either lane. If your in the left lane you could follow the markings and go round the to right on the second roundabout and in theory, not cut anyone up :-\
It needs both roundabouts taken out and replaced with a long oval one!
yup, the very one, tescos and wayside Audi, not far from marshalling b&q
by right, do people mean leave the 2nd roundabout upwards?
I thought I recognised it!! I used to work round the corner on the Ind Est at Wincantons in the late 80's. It was always fun when I was a "I know everything about driving boy racer" many moons ago, lol.
MK was a great place in the 70's & 80's but is just a concrete city now, shame really. :(
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Hi TB, is that the roundabout by Tesco's with VAG garage opposite?
If so, that has always been a fun roundabout, even more so before they blocked the original old A5 going straight across (In the direction of your arrows).
The way I've viewed it, the layout is so bad, that if you could go in either lane. If your in the left lane you could follow the markings and go round the to right on the second roundabout and in theory, not cut anyone up :-\
It needs both roundabouts taken out and replaced with a long oval one!
yup, the very one, tescos and wayside Audi, not far from marshalling b&q
by right, do people mean leave the 2nd roundabout upwards?
I thought I recognised it!! I used to work round the corner on the Ind Est at Wincantons in the late 80's. It was always fun when I was a "I know everything about driving boy racer" many moons ago, lol.
MK was a great place in the 70's & 80's but is just a concrete city now, shame really. :(
hasn't it always been??? :-\
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imo as a junior member i would tend to agree with the majority and left lane for left or straight on and right lane for right.....on consulting with wifey who knows all and does not stick to any lane in particular when going round a round about the direct route across the round about is favoured :o :o :o ;D
lol paul just cos youre a junior member of this site doesnt make you any less qualified as a driver and understanding driving rules! ::) ;D :y :yas for the comment about right hand lane being ok to go straight on....... isn't this just for when the straight on path is dual lanes? wouldnt chance going straight over a roundabout with single exit lanes (as per picture) in the right hand lane! but hey, what do i know... i occasionally drive in my socks!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
thanks webby i feel all grown up again lol ;D ;D :y
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Time for my tuppenceworth? ;D
Left lane on approach for left at the first and straight ahead & onto the second.
Right lane on the first for about turn at the first and for ahead to the second.
Left lane at the second for exit left to single carriageway.
Right lane at the second for right turn or reciprocal/about turn back to the first. Would have to be carefull about which lane to choose when exiting right onto dual carriageway on both the one to the top of the screen as well as the one back to the first roundabout.
In all cases, obey the lane marking, despite them being very faint and indistict.
General rule of thumb on roundabout proceedure and positioning for negotiating same...
Imaging roundabout sign on approach as a clock face on display. You are entering the roundabout from the 6 oclock position on the sign, i.e. at the bottom. If your intended exit is between 6 oclock, through 7,8,9,10 and 11 oclock upto 12 oclock, choose the left lane.
If your exit is past 12, through 1,2,3,4 and 5 oclock and onto the reciprocal at 6 oclock, choose the right lane.
If entering from a dual carriageway, round roundabout and exiting onto a dual carriageway, leave in the same lane you entered but retake the left lane once on the dual carriageway as soon as safely possible. Avoid chopping across lanes on roundabouts. Thats how you get your car nearsided....
Overiding all this, take the time to view and obey the paint on the road. Its the roads engineers way to translate his construction planning into instructions! :y
Clear as mud! ;D 8)
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Aye? ;D
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Ahead on the second being top of the page?
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Ahead on the second being top of the page?
The exit to the top left of the piccy, i.e. straight ahead to the driver. Exit on the top edge of the piccy (dual carriageway road) would therefore be about 2 oclock ish to the driver entering at the bottom right of the second.
As said, clear as mud! ;D
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the debate in office started as somebody was insistent that the right lane for 1st roundabout is for u-turn ONLY
views?
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the debate in office started as somebody was insistent that the right lane for 1st roundabout is for u-turn ONLY
views?
There an arse!....dont tell me, sales, marketing?
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the debate in office started as somebody was insistent that the right lane for 1st roundabout is for u-turn ONLY
views?
There an arse!....dont tell me, sales, marketing?
Techie
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the debate in office started as somebody was insistent that the right lane for 1st roundabout is for u-turn ONLY
views?
Don't tell me.. They don't need to indicate when suddenly pulling into this lane when everyone else least expects it as they own the road, after all there's bound to be nobody else around who's stupid enough to have got lost.
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the debate in office started as somebody was insistent that the right lane for 1st roundabout is for u-turn ONLY
views?
I should add that u-turn is only way to access a retail park, not that that makes a difference
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the debate in office started as somebody was insistent that the right lane for 1st roundabout is for u-turn ONLY
views?
Don't tell me.. They don't need to indicate when suddenly pulling into this lane when everyone else least expects it as they own the road, after all there's bound to be nobody else around who's stupid enough to have got lost.
The guy lives in Milton Keynes, ans its a well known fact that Milton Keynies get lost when they leave the 'grid' (MK's H and V grid roads), and this is just off the main grid ::)
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the debate in office started as somebody was insistent that the right lane for 1st roundabout is for u-turn ONLY
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Views? The rest of the world's is obviously far wider than his.
Refer the honerable gentleman/lady to the Highway Code. Whilst its not law, it does give those who are hard of thinking something to drive safely by.....
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the debate in office started as somebody was insistent that the right lane for 1st roundabout is for u-turn ONLY
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I bet he or she drives you round the bend boom boom :y mind you they probably get there in a roundabout way sorry i am only a junior when i grow up i will be more serious :y
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the debate in office started as somebody was insistent that the right lane for 1st roundabout is for u-turn ONLY
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I bet he or she drives you round the bend boom boom :y mind you they probably get there in a roundabout way sorry i am only a junior when i grow up i will be more serious :y
I bet you haven't been called a junior recently ;D
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the debate in office started as somebody was insistent that the right lane for 1st roundabout is for u-turn ONLY
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I bet he or she drives you round the bend boom boom :y mind you they probably get there in a roundabout way sorry i am only a junior when i grow up i will be more serious :y
I bet you haven't been called a junior recently ;D
;D ;D i am begining to like it now i feel like a school boy again i feel like I am a school boy again mr administrator sir ;D ;D
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the debate in office started as somebody was insistent that the right lane for 1st roundabout is for u-turn ONLY
views?
I bet he or she drives you round the bend boom boom :y mind you they probably get there in a roundabout way sorry i am only a junior when i grow up i will be more serious :y
I bet you haven't been called a junior recently ;D
;D ;D i am begining to like it now i feel like a school boy again i feel like I am a school boy again mr administrator sir ;D ;D
Steady, you'll start him off again! ;D
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In Spain, the driving schools teach you to be in the nearside lane to turn off at any exit! Worse I believe that you don't have to indicate either. I have always assumed that Spanish cars have their indicator bulbs removed as part of pre delivery checks.
I love that The Boy junction.
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In Spain, the driving schools teach you to be in the nearside lane to turn off at any exit! Worse I believe that you don't have to indicate either. I have always assumed that Spanish cars have their indicator bulbs removed as part of pre delivery checks.
I love that The Boy junction.
Like BMWs? ;D
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A friend of mine who is a Honda Accord driver, would say, I will just aim for where I'm going and the traffic will sort itself around me. :o :D Whenever I've been in his car I've never heard so many car horns on journeys. ::)
He would never indicate anywhere as he knew where he was going, until his wife started complaining that he did not indicate enough, so every so often he would put on an indicator, the trouble was it was random and rarely co-in-sided with his intentions. :o :D
I'm a nervous passenger in a car (fine when I'm driving), after any journey with him my adrenaline would be off the scale. :o :o :o
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The "right" arrow on the carriageway will mean right turn at the second roundabout, not U-turn.
U-turn is never painted on the road surface itself and I'd be expecting to see a no U-turn sign as well.
In actual fact, it doesn't matter if that arrow means right at first roundabout (U-turn) or right at the second one, you'd not be going across the left lane in either case.
Left lane appears to be marked straight-on only.
so you have......
Left lane at immediate mini-roundabout is for either turning immediate left or going straight-on at the second mini-roundabout.
Right lane at immediate mini-roundabout is for either U-turn or going right at the second mini-roundabout.
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I'd just take the shortest, most direct route possible accross the roundabout to get where I wanted to be! I'm a woman driver I make up rules as I go along! ;D ;D ;D
Have given up going around roundabouts locally as lanes don't appear to mean anything. >:(
With regards to TBs pic I'd use left lane to go left and straight on and right lane to go right and full circle. Depending on traffic flow I'd also turn left from right lane as 2 lanes on exit or right lane to go straight on if clear to do so.
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The "right" arrow on the carriageway will mean right turn at the second roundabout, not U-turn.
U-turn is never painted on the road surface itself and I'd be expecting to see a no U-turn sign as well.
In actual fact, it doesn't matter if that arrow means right at first roundabout (U-turn) or right at the second one, you'd not be going across the left lane in either case.
Left lane appears to be marked straight-on only.
so you have......
Left lane at immediate mini-roundabout is for either turning immediate left or going straight-on at the second mini-roundabout.
Right lane at immediate mini-roundabout is for either U-turn or going right at the second mini-roundabout.
Street view (slightly more up to date) does show left lane as left or straight on.
U turns are common at that rounadbout, as there is an entrance to a retail park that you cannot turn right into from direction of travel indicated.
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It seems its an argument I cannot win - the guy has had an advanced driving instructor tell him that left lane is for left and straight on, and right is for u-turn only, and that the lane markings can only apply to first roundabout only.
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It seems its an argument I cannot win - the guy has had an advanced driving instructor tell him that left lane is for left and straight on, and right is for u-turn only, and that the lane markings can only apply to first roundabout only.
I guess you're not going to laugh much when he has a prang, then? ;)
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It seems its an argument I cannot win - the guy has had an advanced driving instructor tell him that left lane is for left and straight on, and right is for u-turn only, and that the lane markings can only apply to first roundabout only.
I'd disagree with that on the basis that they are linked mini roundabouts so the markings apply to the complete junction ???
Certainly a similar situation in Ipswich is treated as one junction WRT the markings but each roundabout is treated separately :y
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It seems its an argument I cannot win - the guy has had an advanced driving instructor tell him that left lane is for left and straight on, and right is for u-turn only, and that the lane markings can only apply to first roundabout only.
I'd disagree with that on the basis that they are linked mini roundabouts so the markings apply to the complete junction ???
Certainly a similar situation in Ipswich is treated as one junction WRT the markings but each roundabout is treated separately :y
the counter argument is, according to this chap, each should be treated as entirely seperate things...
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It seems its an argument I cannot win - the guy has had an advanced driving instructor tell him that left lane is for left and straight on, and right is for u-turn only, and that the lane markings can only apply to first roundabout only.
I'd disagree with that on the basis that they are linked mini roundabouts so the markings apply to the complete junction ???
Certainly a similar situation in Ipswich is treated as one junction WRT the markings but each roundabout is treated separately :y
the counter argument is, according to this chap, each should be treated as entirely seperate things...
My understanding (right or wrong), and the way I would approach it from a HGV point of view, is that the roundabouts are treated individually but the junction as a whole from the road marking point of view.
Had to navigate a similar type of junction as part of both my HGV and Bike tests and treated as above (and how you would by the sounds of it ;)) and passed both with no minors/observations for road positioning or junction navigation ::)
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It seems its an argument I cannot win - the guy has had an advanced driving instructor tell him that left lane is for left and straight on, and right is for u-turn only, and that the lane markings can only apply to first roundabout only.
I'd disagree with that on the basis that they are linked mini roundabouts so the markings apply to the complete junction ???
Certainly a similar situation in Ipswich is treated as one junction WRT the markings but each roundabout is treated separately :y
the counter argument is, according to this chap, each should be treated as entirely seperate things...
My understanding (right or wrong), and the way I would approach it from a HGV point of view, is that the roundabouts are treated individually but the junction as a whole from the road marking point of view.
Had to navigate a similar type of junction as part of both my HGV and Bike tests and treated as above (and how you would by the sounds of it ;)) and passed both with no minors/observations for road positioning or junction navigation ::)
I passed my 1st car test and 2nd bike test with no minors mentioned to me :D
I failed the first bike test by putting a foot down on the U-Turn - when we got back, the examiner chatted to my instructor, who then said I was a ****ing idiot, as the examiner had told him "I had pissed the rest of the test perfectly" :-[ (which I think gave me the confidence to carry on with it (it had been a stressful DAS course, with the other rider (who also failed the test) having fallen off at 60mph and ended in a ditch - but fair play, still turned up the next day)).
Obviously, learning to drive/ride to pass a test is entirely different from learning to drive/ride properly, as I'm sure those who have done advnaced driving courses will agree...
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Obviously, learning to drive/ride to pass a test is entirely different from learning to drive/ride properly, as I'm sure those who have done advnaced driving courses will agree...
Agreed... But if they can't get it right at test time what hope do the rest of us have ::)