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I know that I'm not allowed to post boring things about the EU anymore. But, frankly my dears, I don't give a damn. ;)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8816601/Children-to-be-banned-from-blowing-up-balloons-under-EU-safety-rules.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8816601/Children-to-be-banned-from-blowing-up-balloons-under-EU-safety-rules.html)
::) ::)
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My ex had a phobia of balloons (no, really) - she'd be only too pleased to hear this one, I'm sure.
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how bloody stupid is that. >:(
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how bloody stupid is that. >:(
More than stupid. It's insidious. >:(
I have got a lot of flak on here (one reason I don't post that often these days) for posting "boring" threads in a car forum. The shame is that many on here do not seem to understand the word "stealth". Gradually almost imperceptibly our freedoms are being removed. Yet, people will still, when the time comes, vote Lib/Lab/Con and perpetuate that removal, since all three parties support the EU. It won't be long, before this removal of freedom will impact upon the most ardent petrol-heads on here. Then they will moan...but it will be too late. :(
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how bloody stupid is that. >:(
More than stupid. It's insidious. >:(
I have got a lot of flak on here (one reason I don't post that often these days) for posting "boring" threads in a car forum. The shame is that many on here do not seem to understand the word "stealth". Gradually almost imperceptibly our freedoms are being removed. Yet, people will still, when the time comes, vote Lib/Lab/Con and perpetuate that removal, since all three parties support the EU. It won't be long, before this removal of freedom will impact upon the most ardent petrol-heads on here. Then they will moan...but it will be too late. :(
Agreed on both counts there Nick. It WILL come.
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how bloody stupid is that. >:(
More than stupid. It's insidious. >:(
I have got a lot of flak on here (one reason I don't post that often these days) for posting "boring" threads in a car forum. The shame is that many on here do not seem to understand the word "stealth". Gradually almost imperceptibly our freedoms are being removed. Yet, people will still, when the time comes, vote Lib/Lab/Con and perpetuate that removal, since all three parties support the EU. It won't be long, before this removal of freedom will impact upon the most ardent petrol-heads on here. Then they will moan...but it will be too late. :(
Agreed on both counts there Nick. It WILL come.
Things do seem to be sneeking up on us, and I agree, by the time we all wake up to it it will be to late..... :( :( :(
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Lord Hesketh (remember him from James Hunt's days?) has quit the Tories for UKIP...over the EU.
A glimmer of hope. :y
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047667/Lord-Hesketh-quits-Tories-UKIP-losing-faith-party.html?ito=feeds-newsxml (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047667/Lord-Hesketh-quits-Tories-UKIP-losing-faith-party.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)
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may get my wristes slashed for this but i usually vote ukip. ::)
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how bloody stupid is that. >:(
More than stupid. It's insidious. >:(
I have got a lot of flak on here (one reason I don't post that often these days) for posting "boring" threads in a car forum. The shame is that many on here do not seem to understand the word "stealth". Gradually almost imperceptibly our freedoms are being removed. Yet, people will still, when the time comes, vote Lib/Lab/Con and perpetuate that removal, since all three parties support the EU. It won't be long, before this removal of freedom will impact upon the most ardent petrol-heads on here. Then they will moan...but it will be too late. :(
Agreed on both counts there Nick. It WILL come.
Things do seem to be sneeking up on us, and I agree, by the time we all wake up to it it will be to late..... :( :( :(
hit the nail on the head
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may get my wristes slashed for this but i usually vote ukip. ::)
Not from me! :y :y
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may get my wristes slashed for this but i usually vote ukip. ::)
nothing wrong with that :y
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oh, more of us here than i thought. :y
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may get my wristes slashed for this but i usually vote ukip. ::)
The only party I ever vote for. :y
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this is why i vote ukip. they speak the truth and say it as it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii0Yc6_dwyo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Well done NickBat for bringing this into the light! As you say, they are slowly taking away our rights and doing it so quietly without asking us or us even knowing about it >:(
The sooner we bin the 3 main parties the better :y
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I agree, and vote UKIP :y
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Another nail in the coffin of risk taking. We are all becoming drones. :( :(
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More than stupid. It's insidious.
Gradually almost imperceptibly our freedoms are being removed.
Quite so Nick, the insane desire for the Westminster bubble dwellers to continue to stare towards Europe in doe-eyed wonder - or in avaricious desire (for their own well being of course) - is rapidly reducing the citizens of this country to a level where we can be likened to sheep being herded in whatever direction is chosen by the running dogs of the self-interested elite.
It's a bloody shame that we have such a gutless pack in Parliament mere street-walkers for the pimps of Brussels.
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may get my wristes slashed for this but i usually vote ukip. ::)
I can't.
Too risky.
Was close between "ban hunting and close post offices" person and "son of 1970s MP", will probably be close between "son of 1970s MP" and "woman to be gifted the position as she will be too useless to do it on an open list".
Was difficult enough getting rid of the Blair bum licker, don't want the useless woman in!
We used to have an MP who campaigned for the closure of post offices, then complained they were being closed!
Current MP - his dad was MP for years until retirement.
Labour are running a woman only short list as the labour party women in Worcester are too useless to win an open shortlist - I am very open on this, even posted on local newspaper web site over this.
This is what I think. Women only short lists are sexist and demeaning, they are used where the available women are too rubbish to compete against men. Women should have the right to get the job on there own merits, just like Margaret Thatcher, she needed no shortlist.
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I can't.
Too risky.
It comes down to what's more important - local post offices or becoming part of the "united states of Europe".
I haven't ever noticed my MP doing anything, useful or otherwise, at a local level, so it really wouldn't bother me who was doing the "local" job.
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I can't.
Too risky.
It comes down to what's more important - local post offices or becoming part of the "united states of Europe".
I haven't ever noticed my MP doing anything, useful or otherwise, at a local level, so it really wouldn't bother me who was doing the "local" job.
Sorry got to keep Labour out - they are too dangerous. Our MP is quite good - working for his pay.
As to post offices, why vote to close them then complain, he was a ****** hypocrite.
****** insert whatever you want (except "not a")
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I can't.
Too risky.
It comes down to what's more important - local post offices or becoming part of the "united states of Europe".
I haven't ever noticed my MP doing anything, useful or otherwise, at a local level, so it really wouldn't bother me who was doing the "local" job.
at a local level
That's why there's so much shit being disgorged by local councillors up and down the country - they have nothing to fear from the sovereign parliament, by way of disinterested or inept politicians, or indeed the people whom they purport to represent.
It's vexing that so many people duly elected to Westminster seem to become caught up in the rarefied atmosphere of that place as soon as they put a foot over the threshold and promptly forget about local matters and the very people who put them there.
I've said many times that this country is oppsed - only this time around we are being oppsed by two parties rather than one.
I don't know about anyone else, but if I'm going to participate in a three-way I'd rather have the ability to choose suitable partners based on their ability to do the job correctly rather than the gutless impotent getts we have in power at the moment.
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I can't.
Too risky.
It comes down to what's more important - local post offices or becoming part of the "united states of Europe".
I haven't ever noticed my MP doing anything, useful or otherwise, at a local level, so it really wouldn't bother me who was doing the "local" job.
Our previous MP was a total waste of space, he was just a Blair yes man.
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Interesting interview by Marta Andreasen MEP. UKIP; Former EU Chief Accountant on RT news channel.
She has gone from being a supporter of the EU to being anti-Europe. She was sacked by EU for going public of there being NO accountancy of grants given to individuals to see if it is actually spend on what is has been applied for and NO results are asked for, so fraud is probably rampant, they don't actually know. EU says it is up to individual countries to monitor the grants, countries say it is up to the EU as they give the grants. You couldn't make it up. :o :o
EU want 4% increase in this budget for 2012, no austerity measures here! >:( >:( >:(
In last 10 years Greece has received 60billion in aid, she asked the question where was it spent, what have they achieved with it? ::)
When asked if the Euro crisis resulted in closer financial integration of countries, who would benefit the most. Her reply EU bureaucrats. >:( >:( >:(
RT News channel anti-USA, West and Israel is not really to my taste, but it is interesting to get a Russian prospective on the world. There is a very well written article on Euro crisis here:
http://rt.com/business/news/crisis-builds-early-crescendo-553/ (http://rt.com/business/news/crisis-builds-early-crescendo-553/)
The best financial blog on the worlds financial crisis I have found in "Notayesmanineconomics". It is a non-political commentary and analysis by an economist who seems to be consistently ahead of events. :y
http://www.mindfulmoney.co.uk/wp/author/shaun-richards/ (http://www.mindfulmoney.co.uk/wp/author/shaun-richards/)
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Interesting interview by Marta Andreasen MEP. UKIP; Former EU Chief Accountant on RT news channel.
She has gone from being a supporter of the EU to being anti-Europe. She was sacked by EU for going public of there being NO accountancy of grants given to individuals to see if it is actually spend on what is has been applied for and NO results are asked for, so fraud is probably rampant, they don't actually know. EU says it is up to individual countries to monitor the grants, countries say it is up to the EU as they give the grants. You couldn't make it up. :o :o
EU want 4% increase in this budget for 2012, no austerity measures here! >:( >:( >:(
In last 10 years Greece has received 60billion in aid, she asked the question where was it spent, what have they achieved with it? ::)
When asked if the Euro crisis resulted in closer financial integration of countries, who would benefit the most. Her reply EU bureaucrats. >:( >:( >:(
RT News channel anti-USA, West and Israel is not really to my taste, but it is interesting to get a Russian prospective on the world. There is a very well written article on Euro crisis here:
http://rt.com/business/news/crisis-builds-early-crescendo-553/ (http://rt.com/business/news/crisis-builds-early-crescendo-553/)
The best financial blog on the worlds financial crisis I have found in "Notayesmanineconomics". It is a non-political commentary and analysis by an economist who seems to be consistently ahead of events. :y
http://www.mindfulmoney.co.uk/wp/author/shaun-richards/ (http://www.mindfulmoney.co.uk/wp/author/shaun-richards/)
It is disappointing to see how the quite reasonable desire of having a 'common trading market' operating between certain European nations has morphed into the worrying plan for a continental power house with Brussels holding the key to the door.
There is no doubt that when tax raising powers are sought by Brussels and agreed to by the member nations by dint of threat, bribery or political attrition yet another nail will be driven into the coffin of our ability to have and retain national self-determination.
This European experiment is rapidly becoming a dangerous blend of differing constituent elements the net result of which can only be an unwelcome and quite unnecessary explosion - yet those at Westminster continue to let this behemoth gain power over our parliamentary and legal system which, to my mind, is a gross dereliction of their duty their elected duty - to serve the people of this country.
Its a bloody disgrace.
Good to have the link to RT, I watch this regularly along with Press TV to get that uncomfortable perspective into how others rate our place on the international stage.
Interesting link to mindfulmoney thanks.
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Interesting interview by Marta Andreasen MEP. UKIP; Former EU Chief Accountant on RT news channel.
She has gone from being a supporter of the EU to being anti-Europe. She was sacked by EU for going public of there being NO accountancy of grants given to individuals to see if it is actually spend on what is has been applied for and NO results are asked for, so fraud is probably rampant, they don't actually know. EU says it is up to individual countries to monitor the grants, countries say it is up to the EU as they give the grants. You couldn't make it up. :o :o
EU want 4% increase in this budget for 2012, no austerity measures here! >:( >:( >:(
In last 10 years Greece has received 60billion in aid, she asked the question where was it spent, what have they achieved with it? ::)
When asked if the Euro crisis resulted in closer financial integration of countries, who would benefit the most. Her reply EU bureaucrats. >:( >:( >:(
RT News channel anti-USA, West and Israel is not really to my taste, but it is interesting to get a Russian prospective on the world. There is a very well written article on Euro crisis here:
http://rt.com/business/news/crisis-builds-early-crescendo-553/ (http://rt.com/business/news/crisis-builds-early-crescendo-553/)
The best financial blog on the worlds financial crisis I have found in "Notayesmanineconomics". It is a non-political commentary and analysis by an economist who seems to be consistently ahead of events. :y
http://www.mindfulmoney.co.uk/wp/author/shaun-richards/ (http://www.mindfulmoney.co.uk/wp/author/shaun-richards/)
I have no doubt whatsoever that the original good ideas of a common market or an economic union have been lost or at least swamped by these power hungry maniacs in Brussels. What planet do they live on where everyone is tightening their belts(except them)?
I know of a good example of misuse of grants. It is only a small scale, no doubt there are many where it is billions of euros that are just frittered away. Human nature being what it is we let the big stuff slip away unremarked but hone in on the small stuff as we can"identify" with figures that aren't astronomical. There was a big initiative for small companies(in spain and probably elsewhere) to employ new young workers off the dole Q. In return the SME gets a grant. So what happens? After 5.9 months the worker loses their job to avoid having to give them a contract with employment rights. A fresh person is taken on and a new grant received (they are after all taking a person off the dole Q). It is too big a problem and too small an individual amount for the lazy buearacrats to check it isn't being frauded.
Greece. What have they spent the money on? Easy one - Cars, Women and Retsina. No one is checking, why not. Oh and don't go thinking that it is only some countries in the EU that are corrupt. They all are even Britain. We just generally hide it better in Britain.
Thanks for the links. I bet Nickbat has already bookmarked them :y
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Thanks for the links. I bet Nickbat has already bookmarked them :y
Yes, indeed, Varche. ;)
Thanks Rods2 for posting. :y :y
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Interesting interview by Marta Andreasen MEP. UKIP; Former EU Chief Accountant on RT news channel.
She has gone from being a supporter of the EU to being anti-Europe. She was sacked by EU for going public of there being NO accountancy of grants given to individuals to see if it is actually spend on what is has been applied for and NO results are asked for, so fraud is probably rampant, they don't actually know. EU says it is up to individual countries to monitor the grants, countries say it is up to the EU as they give the grants. You couldn't make it up. :o :o
EU want 4% increase in this budget for 2012, no austerity measures here! >:( >:( >:(
In last 10 years Greece has received 60billion in aid, she asked the question where was it spent, what have they achieved with it? ::)
When asked if the Euro crisis resulted in closer financial integration of countries, who would benefit the most. Her reply EU bureaucrats. >:( >:( >:(
RT News channel anti-USA, West and Israel is not really to my taste, but it is interesting to get a Russian prospective on the world. There is a very well written article on Euro crisis here:
http://rt.com/business/news/crisis-builds-early-crescendo-553/ (http://rt.com/business/news/crisis-builds-early-crescendo-553/)
The best financial blog on the worlds financial crisis I have found in "Notayesmanineconomics". It is a non-political commentary and analysis by an economist who seems to be consistently ahead of events. :y
http://www.mindfulmoney.co.uk/wp/author/shaun-richards/ (http://www.mindfulmoney.co.uk/wp/author/shaun-richards/)
So does John Bercow. 4% increase in the Commons budget. Austerity for all except those dishing it out. You couldn't make it up.
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Where is the edit button? Forgot the link.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2048046/Speaker-John-Bercows-disgraceful-9m-rise-Commons-budget.html
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So does John Bercow. 4% increase in the Commons budget. Austerity for all except those dishing it out. You couldn't make it up.
They need some more money to motivate themselves to sort out all the problems they've created for us, of course. ::)
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I think the free movement of goods and services in Europe through the EU common market has been of great benefit to the European countries.
The problem is all of the political baggage. Norway and Switzerland have done very well there they are associate members so benefit from the common market, without all of the political baggage and this is what the UK should have done.
Some of the major problems Euro, Common Agricultural Policy, Common Fisheries Policy, Brussels (or Strasbourg to keep the French happy, where EU parliament switches to here twice a year - Total madness :o) Incompatible legal systems. In UK everything is legal unless made illegal, In France everything is illegal unless there is a law to make it legal. The French influence means that all of the Common Market trading standards are micro managed. Socialist human rights and employment laws, which destroy jobs. Most EU countries have had much higher government spending than this country, high taxes, inflexible labour laws and high unemployment.
The UK used to be one of the exceptions to this and had much lower taxes and unemployment, but where Government spending has gone from 32% of GDP in early 1990's to 52% now. We now have very high taxes, much more restrictive employment legislation and a official unemployment rate of 8.1% and a real rate much higher than this. >:( >:(
Personally, I think anti-democratic Brussels is the EUSSR. At some point when the whole of Western Europe has become very, very poor compared to most of the rest of the world, then it will all fall apart, like the USSR did (this took 80 years). I just hope it happens peacefully.
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I think the free movement of goods and services in Europe through the EU common market has been of great benefit to the European countries.
The problem is all of the political baggage. Norway and Switzerland have done very well there they are associate members so benefit from the common market, without all of the political baggage and this is what the UK should have done.
Some of the major problems Euro, Common Agricultural Policy, Common Fisheries Policy, Brussels (or Strasbourg to keep the French happy, where EU parliament switches to here twice a year - Total madness :o) Incompatible legal systems. In UK everything is legal unless made illegal, In France everything is illegal unless there is a law to make it legal. The French influence means that all of the Common Market trading standards are micro managed. Socialist human rights and employment laws, which destroy jobs. Most EU countries have had much higher government spending than this country, high taxes, inflexible labour laws and high unemployment.
The UK used to be one of the exceptions to this and had much lower taxes and unemployment, but where Government spending has gone from 32% of GDP in early 1990's to 52% now. We now have very high taxes, much more restrictive employment legislation and a official unemployment rate of 8.1% and a real rate much higher than this. >:( >:(
Personally, I think anti-democratic Brussels is the EUSSR. At some point when the whole of Western Europe has become very, very poor compared to most of the rest of the world, then it will all fall apart, like the USSR did (this took 80 years). I just hope it happens peacefully.
That is low! Spain is around 20% for the whole country and 29% for Andalucia (the bit with the Costa del Sol in it). It will worsen now it is the end of the holiday season. there is a human tragedy too as Spain sought and got a million immigrants to work on agriculture and construction only a handful of years ago. They got assistance with travel to Spain and the only requirement was to speak Spanish. many then took out mortgages on flats. Then came the crash and all jobs now are seemingly offered to family or Spanish people. There has been a steady exodus of people back to South America and they just hand the keys and their equity back to the banks. :o :o
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The Napolionic legal system is a complete and utter joke, this is why the EU are trying to control us as Common law is a lot better.
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Personally, I think anti-democratic Brussels is the EUSSR. At some point when the whole of Western Europe has become very, very poor compared to most of the rest of the world, then it will all fall apart, like the USSR did (this took 80 years). I just hope it happens peacefully.
Personally, I think anti-democratic Brussels is the EUSSR. At some point when the whole of Western Europe has become very, very poor compared to most of the rest of the world, then it will all fall apart, like the USSR did (this took 80 years).
There is a very real possibility of this happening.
I just hope it happens peacefully.
That should be of concern to us all although I suspect that it may well not.
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It would seem Spanish fishermen have done quite well out of the EU. >:(
"Simply put, nearly one in three fish caught on a Spanish hook or raised in a Spanish farm is paid for with public money." :o
http://trawlingfortruth.blogspot.com/2011/10/spanish-practices.html (http://trawlingfortruth.blogspot.com/2011/10/spanish-practices.html)
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Nick. The problem here is twofold.
Firstly scale. The Spanish housewife buys lots and lots of fish not just on Fridays yet the population is the same size(roughly) as Britain. How many times a month does the ?K household buy fish and then it is probably processed cr*p and not identifiable. So they consume vastly more.
Secondly the Spanish like other European countries look after themselves. Britain has a rather strange attitude to fair play and when no one else abides by the rules puts its hands up like a found out schoolboy. Doesn't work. Britain needs to learn how to play the game. We just let foreign companies buy our companies( Santander and Telefonica - banks and O2) taking advantage of tax loopholes since closed. How many foreign companies have Britain bought? Err diddly squat. Why? They would never allow it even though EU law would say it should happen.
The fishing rot set in years ago when the Spanish bought up British licences because our governemnt of the time were too stupid to support the fishing industry. sadly a familiar story. Britain doesn't really support any of our industries, instead expecting them to make their own way in the big bad world. We need to grow up and play dirty too. :y
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Nick. The problem here is twofold.
Firstly scale. The Spanish housewife buys lots and lots of fish not just on Fridays yet the population is the same size(roughly) as Britain. How many times a month does the ?K household buy fish and then it is probably processed cr*p and not identifiable. So they consume vastly more.
Secondly the Spanish like other European countries look after themselves. Britain has a rather strange attitude to fair play and when no one else abides by the rules puts its hands up like a found out schoolboy. Doesn't work. Britain needs to learn how to play the game. We just let foreign companies buy our companies( Santander and Telefonica - banks and O2) taking advantage of tax loopholes since closed. How many foreign companies have Britain bought? Err diddly squat. Why? They would never allow it even though EU law would say it should happen.
The fishing rot set in years ago when the Spanish bought up British licences because our governemnt of the time were too stupid to support the fishing industry. sadly a familiar story. Britain doesn't really support any of our industries, instead expecting them to make their own way in the big bad world. We need to grow up and play dirty too. :y
Can't disagree with any of that, Varche. :y
(Especially the bit about rotting fish fishing rot ;) )