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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Varche on 19 November 2011, 14:52:19
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I saw something the orther day that said that diesel costs more to produce hence why in Britain it is more than unleaded. I can believe that. However it doesn't explain why diesel is about the same as unleaded in Spain unless they consume more diesel to unleaded and get some more discount?
haven't really noticed the price before now but am just about to make the quantum leap( for me anyway) to a diesel vehicle at long last.
I always remember it being cheaper than unleaded in Britain in my youth. Maybe modern diesel is better quality.
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I think the duty on diesel in the UK was hiked 10 years ago when they discovered
everyone was rushing out to buy diesel cars emissions from them were more harmful. ::)
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A few days ago the price of petrol dropped (in Swindon anyhow), but the price of diesel didnt budge, at the garage i use mostly,use, petrol is now 9ppl cheaper than diesel :(
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A few days ago the price of petrol dropped (in Swindon anyhow), but the price of diesel didnt budge, at the garage i use mostly,use, petrol is now 9ppl cheaper than diesel :(
The bottom of Kingshill perhaps?
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Diesel used to be cheaper than petrol, until everyone decided to buy diesels, as soon as that happened, that's when it overtook petrol costs.
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129.9 for unleaded & 139.9 for diesel at my local >:(
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What I find odd is the varying cost of LPG.
I pay 76.9 or 77.9 here in Cheltenham, whereas in Bristol or Cardiff I pay 66.9 or less
What's the score with that? :-\
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What I find odd is the varying cost of LPG.
I pay 76.9 or 77.9 here in Cheltenham, whereas in Bristol or Cardiff I pay 66.9 or less
What's the score with that? :-\
Greed >:(
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Greedy resellers on the LPG front I think.
Diesel being more expensive doesn't really bother me. I go twice as far on a tankful compared to the other one running on petrol!
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What I find odd is the varying cost of LPG.
I pay 76.9 or 77.9 here in Cheltenham, whereas in Bristol or Cardiff I pay 66.9 or less
What's the score with that? :-\
Greed >:(
Yep fair point - I agree. I know factors such as delivery cost might play a part, depending on location, but all in all, it's a shame that especially the larger companies, such as Shell/BP, can't have some consistency! ;D
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What I find odd is the varying cost of LPG.
I pay 76.9 or 77.9 here in Cheltenham, whereas in Bristol or Cardiff I pay 66.9 or less
What's the score with that? :-\
Greed >:(
Yep fair point - I agree. I know factors such as delivery cost might play a part, depending on location, but all in all, it's a shame that especially the larger companies, such as Shell/BP, can't have some consistency! ;D
A lot of it is to do with competition .. or lack of it... :(
LPG in Cardiff is relatively cheap whilst in Swindon it is expensive ... Cardiff has two supermarkets selling it and about 20 garages/independents...... lots of competition.
Swindon has 1 garage, 1 Gas depot, 1 account only ... no bloody competition at all so prices are high.
Same happens everywhere else IMHO
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Greedy resellers on the LPG front I think.
Diesel being more expensive doesn't really bother me. I go twice as far on a tankful compared to the other one running on petrol!
Agreed Andy :y
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Greedy resellers on the LPG front I think.
Diesel being more expensive doesn't really bother me. I go twice as far on a tankful compared to the other one running on petrol!
Agreed Andy :y
Though when I do drive the V6 the sound, smoothness and responsiveness is in another league.... But during the week trundling to work and back i'm perfectly happy the DTi
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Greedy resellers on the LPG front I think.
Diesel being more expensive doesn't really bother me. I go twice as far on a tankful compared to the other one running on petrol!
Agreed Andy :y
Though when I do drive the V6 the sound, smoothness and responsiveness is in another league.... But during the week trundling to work and back i'm perfectly happy the DTi
Andy, did you ever get your DTi remapped?
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Round by me jet petrol stations are 127.9p for unleaded and 133.9p for diesel. Now that is low in comparison but despite crude oil prices dropping we see no difference in price. Even when they drop it by 2p in the grand scheme of things we might save 12p for every tenner you spend. What can we do though ??? They have us by the short and curlies for the moment and I can't stand it >:(
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134.9p for unleaded and 139.9p for diesel near me; and despite crude prices falling recently I've noticed the prices have gone up ~1p in the last week or so at half the stations.
How much do you think it'll be by Christmas 2012? £2 per litre?
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134.9p for unleaded and 139.9p for diesel near me; and despite crude prices falling recently I've noticed the prices have gone up ~1p in the last week or so at half the stations.
How much do you think it'll be by Christmas 2012? £2 per litre?
I reckon around £1.60 a litre is roughly where it will be. ::)
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£1.35.9 for Unleaded here and £1.41.9 for Diesel >:( >:(
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Greedy resellers on the LPG front I think.
Diesel being more expensive doesn't really bother me. I go twice as far on a tankful compared to the other one running on petrol!
Agreed Andy :y
Though when I do drive the V6 the sound, smoothness and responsiveness is in another league.... But during the week trundling to work and back i'm perfectly happy the DTi
Andy, did you ever get your DTi remapped?
Nope. :-[
Got Jane's estate de-Cat'd (Thanks Mr Loo Knee!) but haven't touched mine. Spotted a P-Box on Ebay recently but it went for more than I was prepared to spend.
Might be tempted to do something with mine in the New Year as i'm happy the engine is in good health now.
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The price of crude may have dropped... but the pound/dollar has dropped as well .. :(
It is worth considering that all oil is bought in dollars, so the exchange rate has a very major efect on the price paid. The exchange rate has been extremely volatile over the past year..
http://www.oanda.com/currency/historical-rates
and this has probably had a greater effect than the actual quoted price of crude in dollars.
Fuel we are buying now was bought on the oil market some months ago when Libya was in turmoil which is another factor.
Matters not what you and I think is right or wrong... we lack the accurate facts, and the general facts are ... poor exchange rate, rising demand, volatile markets ... these all add to instability and high prices.
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petrols cheaper than diesel because when they heat the crude oil to produce the diesel, they inadvertantly "crack" the oil into different molecular structures (petrol, diesel, tar, kerosene etc)
all they do is basically boil it lol! refractory distilation if my memory serves me right :P
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Greedy resellers on the LPG front I think.
Diesel being more expensive doesn't really bother me. I go twice as far on a tankful compared to the other one running on petrol!
Agreed Andy :y
Though when I do drive the V6 the sound, smoothness and responsiveness is in another league.... But during the week trundling to work and back i'm perfectly happy the DTi
Andy, did you ever get your DTi remapped?
Nope. :-[
Got Jane's estate de-Cat'd (Thanks Mr Loo Knee!) but haven't touched mine. Spotted a P-Box on Ebay recently but it went for more than I was prepared to spend.
Might be tempted to do something with mine in the New Year as i'm happy the engine is in good health now.
I can fully recommend a remap. Makes quite a difference :) I sold my Cat for £15.00 scrap ;D :y
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Greedy resellers on the LPG front I think.
Diesel being more expensive doesn't really bother me. I go twice as far on a tankful compared to the other one running on petrol!
Agreed Andy :y
Though when I do drive the V6 the sound, smoothness and responsiveness is in another league.... But during the week trundling to work and back i'm perfectly happy the DTi
Andy, did you ever get your DTi remapped?
Nope. :-[
Got Jane's estate de-Cat'd (Thanks Mr Loo Knee!) but haven't touched mine. Spotted a P-Box on Ebay recently but it went for more than I was prepared to spend.
Might be tempted to do something with mine in the New Year as i'm happy the engine is in good health now.
I can fully recommend a remap. Makes quite a difference :) I sold my Cat for £15.00 scrap ;D :y
Jane's still has the shell of the Cat, it's just lost all it's internal organs!
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parafin price...when i was a lad okay..okay a long while ago we bought it to use in our heaters at home dirt cheap then but now its as dear as petrol £6 a gallon rip off britain again its the taxes you know :y :y
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A few days ago the price of petrol dropped (in Swindon anyhow), but the price of diesel didnt budge, at the garage i use mostly,use, petrol is now 9ppl cheaper than diesel :(
The bottom of Kingshill perhaps?
Nope, Shelll on Marlborough Rd ;)
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parafin price...when i was a lad okay..okay a long while ago we bought it to use in our heaters at home dirt cheap then but now its as dear as petrol £6 a gallon rip off britain again its the taxes you know :y :y
I remember those days well! The smell was permanently in the house ::) ;D
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Even if the fuel was free, the duty would still have it costing more than it was 5 years ago...
8 pence per litre difference here between petrol and diesel...
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A few days ago the price of petrol dropped (in Swindon anyhow), but the price of diesel didnt budge, at the garage i use mostly,use, petrol is now 9ppl cheaper than diesel :(
The bottom of Kingshill perhaps?
Nope, Shelll on Marlborough Rd ;)
I've not checked their price, are they comparable to the Kingshill Esso? which usually matches the local supermarkets, except possibly Asda.
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Swindon Asda are 128.7 for unleaded. (3 days ago) :y
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A few days ago the price of petrol dropped (in Swindon anyhow), but the price of diesel didnt budge, at the garage i use mostly,use, petrol is now 9ppl cheaper than diesel :(
The bottom of Kingshill perhaps?
Nope, Shelll on Marlborough Rd ;)
I've not checked their price, are they comparable to the Kingshill Esso? which usually matches the local supermarkets, except possibly Asda.
Usually a penny or two dearer......however as i live marlborough rd end of old town......im usually heading towards that garage when i need fuel.....it makes no sense to me, to drive in the 'wrong' direction, to save 25/30p .....i'd use that fuel in going to the Esso garage :y
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diesel used to be cheaper than petrol until they decided to tax companies on the waste when petrol is being produced,diesel is a "WASTE"product and is taxed again. >:(
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diesel used to be cheaper than petrol until they decided to tax companies on the waste when petrol is being produced,diesel is a "WASTE"product and is taxed again. >:(
I think, from around 6 or 7 years ago, demand for diesel outstripped petrol. Thus is more likely that petrol is the by-product ;)
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diesel used to be cheaper than petrol until they decided to tax companies on the waste when petrol is being produced,diesel is a "WASTE"product and is taxed again. >:(
And as to taxes, the UK government needs about £1t a year to keep all these services that everyone is up in arms over due to austerity. And currently has about £160b a year shortfall.
This shortfall, without taking into acount unemployment/benefit strains, could be covered by permenently closing the NHS, the Police, and schools.
Too drastic? OK, what about the social security in its entirerity?
Still too drastic? Well, we're running out of easy solutions. Could close all prisons, but that won't save a great deal. Stop all road building/repairs. Nah, still not much savings.
We could stop HS2m that'll save somewhere between £40b and £100b over 10/30yrs. Still won't cover our annual overspend.
In a nutshell, the government needs to drag in as much as it can AND cut vital services. Doesn't need a rocket scientist to see that. So, they could cut fuel duty, but will still need to get that money out of us somehow ;)