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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: cem_devecioglu on 20 November 2011, 16:50:45
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time to remind what we said about 9/11 : "setup"
there was an explosion before the plane hit ??????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIC0Kl4TKoU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIC0Kl4TKoU)
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=75&contentid=2370 (http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=75&contentid=2370)
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what a load of codswallop ... do you really think that if this were true it would have taken this many years to come out ??? This incident has been reviewed/checked/investigated by more media types than any thing else that has occured.
Methinks you've swallowed too many conspiracy theories this time Cem ... you need to get out more .. :)
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what a load of codswallop ... do you really think that if this were true it would have taken this many years to come out ??? This incident has been reviewed/checked/investigated by more media types than any thing else that has occured.
Methinks you've swallowed too many conspiracy theories this time Cem ... you need to get out more .. :)
;D :y
must say some facts can not be heard by deaf ears.. current crisis is an example..
too many people say the same with me.. who listen/care ? very few.. after many long years only historians will write the truth what we told..
as I posted (some old members may remember) before lots of civil engineers and firms proved the scientific facts about the bone structure of WTC that it can not be broken into pieces with such distant fire and even heat.. the remaining pieces prooved many signs of explosion.. who listened ? again no one.. with a biased media under the hands of power, it will never happen.. :(
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I'm counting myself as one of the 'deaf' ones then mate ::)
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I'm counting myself as one of the 'deaf' ones then mate ::)
how you prefer :)
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All this does is open up old wounds. The victims & families will never forget, but they don't need to be reminded over & over.
We have a saying in Britain "Let sleeping dogs lie".
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All this does is open up old wounds. The victims & families will never forget, but they don't need to be reminded over & over.
We have a saying in Britain "Let sleeping dogs lie".
I'm afraid thats correct.. :(
but the criminals responsible are freely living their lifes outside.. and god knows what they are planning next.. :( in that case do we have to close our eyes :-\
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what a load of codswallop ... do you really think that if this were true it would have taken this many years to come out ??? This incident has been reviewed/checked/investigated by more media types than any thing else that has occured.
Methinks you've swallowed too many conspiracy theories this time Cem ... you need to get out more .. :)
seriously, do you remember Warren comission ? no different me thinks.. :(
somehow they have managed not to see the elephant ;D
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All this does is open up old wounds. The victims & families will never forget, but they don't need to be reminded over & over.
You're right, old wounds has to be recpected! Don't forget though the wars were launched in the name of 9/11 against ones who possibly did nothing...I remember well that before the invasion of Iraq Bush and Blair had met to discuss the staffs in connection with war. After discussion Blair announced he'd seen the evidences and the war was needed and unavoidable.The evidences of guilty of Iraq were existing but were prohibited to look by either experts and reporters. My question : if you did something bad staff would it enough defense from part of your lawyer that his client was innocent, he had evidences but couldn't show them to the court ??? Not ot mentioned there were nothing guilty of Iraq related evidence anywhere...
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new world order has been prepared, planned and is running.. and I doubt it can be stopped without a big war.. :-\
for example now my country is under constant pressure against Syria.. and pushed for a war >:(
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??? Really ? I've never saw or read about this in the news...
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??? Really ? I've never saw or read about this in the news...
here, nearly %90 of newspapers and tv channels saying Syria is killing civilians , this and that etc..
and some countries nearly say we are in war ;D briefly preparing the community..(cant tell more detail :-X )
but there is a problem, Syria is not alone and declaring a war against them can start more troubles than anyone can guess.. :(
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What is the subject of argue? Border incident? Is there any argue at all?
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What is the subject of argue? Border incident? Is there any argue at all?
not a border incident, the govt here decided to get rid of them (because already some push us)..
its a complicated political incident but its better I dont go in details here.. :-X
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OK later I'm gonna look after...
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OK later I'm gonna look after...
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Cem if it was a controlled demolition why did they wait untill the building was nearly fully staffed..why not do it at 3 am in the morning??...sorry Cem but i have too say so many crackpot theories doing the rounds we see why it fell
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Cem if it was a controlled demolition why did they wait untill the building was nearly fully staffed..why not do it at 3 am in the morning??...sorry Cem but i have too say so many crackpot theories doing the rounds we see why it fell
would people believe , if they did it at 3 am ? how can they blame it on these so called group ?
there need to be many victims, I'm afraid..
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just google "controlled demolition WTC" and start to read and watch :y
http://investigate911.org/ (http://investigate911.org/)
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...... and how do you explain the broadcasts seen by millions of the 2nd aircraft actually hitting ???
or was that a "photoshop" effort broadcast by a "special unit" that has the ability to "take over" the worlds TV systems ???
Sorry CEM, your outpourings are becoming more and more bizarre .. :(
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...... and how do you explain the broadcasts seen by millions of the 2nd aircraft actually hitting ???
or was that a "photoshop" effort broadcast by a "special unit" that has the ability to "take over" the worlds TV systems ???
Sorry CEM, your outpourings are becoming more and more bizarre .. :(
Entwood, I dont see anyone around denying that the planes hit.. ???
although the cargo and passengers of planes are really suspicious..
and to say bizarre for them, first I need my questions to be answered.. :y
ps:please check my link..
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one further note, cnn.com quickvote shows 89% of people believes 9/11 is covered up ;D
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one further note, cnn.com quickvote shows 89% of people believes 9/11 is covered up ;D
1) its American
2) its CNN
3) only 50,000 Americans voted on CNN
The american population is in the region of 300,000,000 so even if all the votes on CNN were "in favour" that would be less than 0.2% of the population.
I can therefore state (using your logic) that 99.8% of americans do NOT believe in any coverup
Statistics and stupidity go hand in hand.
:)
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Cem if it was a controlled demolition why did they wait untill the building was nearly fully staffed..why not do it at 3 am in the morning??...sorry Cem but i have too say so many crackpot theories doing the rounds we see why it fell
would people believe , if they did it at 3 am ? how can they blame it on these so called group ?
there need to be many victims, I'm afraid..
I've read about this that an average day fifteen thousand people worked there but not on the day of attack when only three thousand. Many hundred company sent to home their employees to have a little rest...
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one further note, cnn.com quickvote shows 89% of people believes 9/11 is covered up ;D
1) its American
2) its CNN
3) only 50,000 Americans voted on CNN
The american population is in the region of 300,000,000 so even if all the votes on CNN were "in favour" that would be less than 0.2% of the population.
I can therefore state (using your logic) that 99.8% of americans do NOT believe in any coverup
Statistics and stupidity go hand in hand.
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I'm really curious how you calculate this 99.8% ::)
please whenever you have some spare time, read the link and try to read some others..
scientific thought requires to be at least "suspicious" whats given to you "ready" :y
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for those who are unwilling to read the link;
I will briefly say that , there were many "tall" building fires throughout the world.. which none of them collapse..
there are many traces of explosives found on steel granules..
besides, many pictures show the steel columns are cut in many places instead of bending or melting..
the state of steel pieces shows that they are subject to very high temperatures which can be done by explosion not fire.. etc etc
and I have not even started at the other sites ::)
ps: the collapse was almost equal to free fall which is impossible for a collapsing building unless its exploded in an orderly fashion
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I find it hard to understand how rational thinking people can accept that the 'attacks' on the WTC and the Pentagon were acts of terrorism and that the American government had absolutely no involvement. :(
The U.S government must love these gullable sheep.
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I find it hard to understand how rational thinking people can accept that the 'attacks' on the WTC and the Pentagon were acts of terrorism and that the American government had absolutely no involvement. :(
The U.S government must love these gullable sheep.
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I find it hard to understand how rational thinking people can accept that the 'attacks' on the WTC and the Pentagon were acts of terrorism and that the American government had absolutely no involvement. :(
The U.S government must love these gullable sheep.
:y A guide of pilot was found in the buggage of so named "terrorist"...what a stupidity...
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tell me how a passport can remain "intact" after many tons of fuel burning inside the building and then going down with all these pieces where even steel was torn into pieces or melt and can be found in debris prooving someones (terrorist) identity ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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tell me how a passport can remain "intact" after many tons of fuel burning inside the building and then going down with all these pieces where even steel was torn into pieces or melt and can be found in debris prooving someones (terrorist) identity ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
:y That's what got me thinking 'hang on, all is not as it appears'. Up until that amazing 'discovery', I was one of the sheep.
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tell me how a passport can remain "intact" after many tons of fuel burning inside the building and then going down with all these pieces where even steel was torn into pieces or melt and can be found in debris prooving someones (terrorist) identity ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
:y That's what got me thinking 'hang on, all is not as it appears'. Up until that amazing 'discovery', I was one of the sheep.
CIA/FBI full of Superman... ;D ;D ;D
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tell me how a passport can remain "intact" after many tons of fuel burning inside the building and then going down with all these pieces where even steel was torn into pieces or melt and can be found in debris prooving someones (terrorist) identity ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
:y That's what got me thinking 'hang on, all is not as it appears'. Up until that amazing 'discovery', I was one of the sheep.
trust me at the beginning nearly everyone believed the event, including me.. the first who woke up was American citizens who start to ask (as far as I know) .. if they didnt find those things and prepare those info sites , we were still unaware.. thanks to them :y
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tell me how a passport can remain "intact" after many tons of fuel burning inside the building and then going down with all these pieces where even steel was torn into pieces or melt and can be found in debris prooving someones (terrorist) identity ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Dear Lord. ::)
I'll tell you how...as i have told you often before. The inertia of an aircraft travelling at well over 300 knots will propel the bodies and seats of the pilots forwards and likely eject them from the building. The items that will travel the farthest (thus escaping the inferno) would be those unsecured – such as in pockets etc. e.g. passports.
This 9/11 conspiracy rubbish is diverting attention from the real issues we need to deal with. ::) ::) ::)
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tell me how a passport can remain "intact" after many tons of fuel burning inside the building and then going down with all these pieces where even steel was torn into pieces or melt and can be found in debris prooving someones (terrorist) identity ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Dear Lord. ::)
I'll tell you how...as i have told you often before. The inertia of an aircraft travelling at well over 300 knots will propel the bodies and seats of the pilots forwards and likely eject them from the building. The items that will travel the farthest (thus escaping the inferno) would be those unsecured – such as in pockets etc. e.g. passports.
This 9/11 conspiracy rubbish is diverting attention from the real issues we need to deal with. ::) ::) ::)
One flaw with that theory is the passport was 'apparently' found in the rubble. Didn't travel very far by the sounds of it.
Isn't it strange that even the most 'damning' proof offered by the U.S government always seems to be somewhat 'far fetched'.
One could say the same about the killing of Bin Laden (the one that 'apparently' happened a few months back, not the one that actually took place many years ago), but for some bizarre reason, the only 'proof' they had was quickly disposed of.
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tell me how a passport can remain "intact" after many tons of fuel burning inside the building and then going down with all these pieces where even steel was torn into pieces or melt and can be found in debris prooving someones (terrorist) identity ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Dear Lord. ::)
I'll tell you how...as i have told you often before. The inertia of an aircraft travelling at well over 300 knots will propel the bodies and seats of the pilots forwards and likely eject them from the building. The items that will travel the farthest (thus escaping the inferno) would be those unsecured – such as in pockets etc. e.g. passports.
This 9/11 conspiracy rubbish is diverting attention from the real issues we need to deal with. ::) ::) ::)
One flaw with that theory is the passport was 'apparently' found in the rubble. Didn't travel very far by the sounds of it.
Isn't it strange that even the most 'damning' proof offered by the U.S government always seems to be somewhat 'far fetched'.
One could say the same about the killing of Bin Laden (the one that 'apparently' happened a few months back, not the one that actually took place many years ago), but for some bizarre reason, the only 'proof' they had was quickly disposed of.
yep, I would say the same.. not outside the building area.. the single cell idiot who placed it, didint bother to think what he is doing ;D
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Im with Cem. The "Zeitgeist" movie, for example,may have taken its conspiracy theory a bit far but for me there was def a cover-up of sorts. For those who havent watched "zeitgeist" I urge you to do so. Yes, its oversimplistic, yes, some of their "facts" are about as trustworthy as some you might find on wikipedia and yes, some of their conclusions are stretching it a bit to say the least. But its all easily watchable in a kind of rockn roll ,strangely sixties, way and most importatly of all its asking THE question. ..in these days when so much of our access to mainstream media is owned by so few and when so many of these owners are politically and financially in bed with other corporate businesses who do you trust? If nothing else, I guarantee that this internet movie will make you think, not least on what it has to say about the twin towers and the film footage that would seem to support their arguments. Cem is right, we must not forget 9/11 but we must be very wary of simply accepting the official lines about it. The truth is out there ;D
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Im with Cem. The "Zeitgeist" movie, for example,may have taken its conspiracy theory a bit far but for me there was def a cover-up of sorts. For those who havent watched "zeitgeist" I urge you to do so. Yes, its oversimplistic, yes, some of their "facts" are about as trustworthy as some you might find on wikipedia and yes, some of their conclusions are stretching it a bit to say the least. But its all easily watchable in a kind of rockn roll ,strangely sixties, way and most importatly of all its asking THE question. ..in these days when so much of our access to mainstream media is owned by so few and when so many of these owners are politically and financially in bed with other corporate businesses who do you trust? If nothing else, I guarantee that this internet movie will make you think, not least on what it has to say about the twin towers and the film footage that would seem to support their arguments. Cem is right, we must not forget 9/11 but we must be very wary of simply accepting the official lines about it. The truth is out there ;D
Here ... ;D ;D ;D
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Im with Cem. The "Zeitgeist" movie, for example,may have taken its conspiracy theory a bit far but for me there was def a cover-up of sorts. For those who havent watched "zeitgeist" I urge you to do so. Yes, its oversimplistic, yes, some of their "facts" are about as trustworthy as some you might find on wikipedia and yes, some of their conclusions are stretching it a bit to say the least. But its all easily watchable in a kind of rockn roll ,strangely sixties, way and most importatly of all its asking THE question. ..in these days when so much of our access to mainstream media is owned by so few and when so many of these owners are politically and financially in bed with other corporate businesses who do you trust? If nothing else, I guarantee that this internet movie will make you think, not least on what it has to say about the twin towers and the film footage that would seem to support their arguments. Cem is right, we must not forget 9/11 but we must be very wary of simply accepting the official lines about it. The truth is out there ;D
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Im with Cem. The "Zeitgeist" movie, for example,may have taken its conspiracy theory a bit far but for me there was def a cover-up of sorts. For those who havent watched "zeitgeist" I urge you to do so. Yes, its oversimplistic, yes, some of their "facts" are about as trustworthy as some you might find on wikipedia and yes, some of their conclusions are stretching it a bit to say the least. But its all easily watchable in a kind of rockn roll ,strangely sixties, way and most importatly of all its asking THE question. ..in these days when so much of our access to mainstream media is owned by so few and when so many of these owners are politically and financially in bed with other corporate businesses who do you trust? If nothing else, I guarantee that this internet movie will make you think, not least on what it has to say about the twin towers and the film footage that would seem to support their arguments. Cem is right, we must not forget 9/11 but we must be very wary of simply accepting the official lines about it. The truth is out there ;D
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Yep, let's use a movie to get to the "truth"! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
I can't help notice that most those who claim 9/11 was a conspiracy are essentially anti-US, anti-capitalist or anti-West (delete as applicable). ::)
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Im with Cem. The "Zeitgeist" movie, for example,may have taken its conspiracy theory a bit far but for me there was def a cover-up of sorts. For those who havent watched "zeitgeist" I urge you to do so. Yes, its oversimplistic, yes, some of their "facts" are about as trustworthy as some you might find on wikipedia and yes, some of their conclusions are stretching it a bit to say the least. But its all easily watchable in a kind of rockn roll ,strangely sixties, way and most importatly of all its asking THE question. ..in these days when so much of our access to mainstream media is owned by so few and when so many of these owners are politically and financially in bed with other corporate businesses who do you trust? If nothing else, I guarantee that this internet movie will make you think, not least on what it has to say about the twin towers and the film footage that would seem to support their arguments. Cem is right, we must not forget 9/11 but we must be very wary of simply accepting the official lines about it. The truth is out there ;D
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Yep, let's use a movie to get to the "truth"! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
I can't help notice that most those who claim 9/11 was a conspiracy are essentially anti-US, anti-capitalist or anti-West (delete as applicable). ::)
did you watch the movie ?
and why do you ignore the fact that I say thanks to American citizens who showed us the truth ::)
they are also suffering in hands of some.. and sending their children to war, and paying the war bills
for who ? for some to earn money..
so your generalisation is not correct.. ;)
ps: the tuth also is not only in the film, if you checked my link , there are many engineers who says thats a cover-up..
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must add though, you were right to say anti-capitalist ;D :y
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Capitalism or communism ehhh... what difference is there, the rules of market are the same so in the States as in China...I wouldn't been surprised if I heard that in China there are more billionars than in the US ... or minimum the same. ;)
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Capitalism or communism ehhh... what difference is there, the rules of market are the same so in the States as in China...I wouldn't been surprised if I heard that in China there are more billionars than in the US ... or minimum the same. ;)
there is a big difference , but for now I dont see its necessary to start long explanations and discussions as its far from the thread subject..
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China is now possibly the most capitalist country in the world,although its heads of state dont yet want to admit to this blatantly obvious fact for some reason. ;)
Cem - youve got your teeth into this one.Your worse than me.Like a dog with a bone. ;D ;D ;D
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China is now possibly the most capitalist country in the world,although its heads of state dont yet want to admit to this blatantly obvious fact for some reason. ;)
Cem - youve got your teeth into this one.Your worse than me.Like a dog with a bone. ;D ;D ;D
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Capitalism or communism ehhh... what difference is there, the rules of market are the same so in the States as in China...I wouldn't been surprised if I heard that in China there are more billionars than in the US ... or minimum the same. ;)
Aah, there's little difference as both systems fall victim to that most basic of faults - the human condition.
We, as individuals within this race, seem determined to prosper at all costs - especially by disadvantaging others (by design or omission).
Speaking in general terms of course.
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if people insist more, I will start to believe those towers were in China and they created this setup ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Capitalism or communism ehhh... what difference is there, the rules of market are the same so in the States as in China...I wouldn't been surprised if I heard that in China there are more billionars than in the US ... or minimum the same. ;)
there is a big difference , but for now I dont see its necessary to start long explanations and discussions as its far from the thread subject..
Uuhhh, thank you Cem ! ;D ;D ;D Very interesting to see what a lot of imagination there is about communism or capitalism. I can't imagine anything at all, I just remember so experienced that...I was living in that and I'm living in this nowadays, saw how that worked and see how it does... ;) believe me, in the eye of a small man there isn't a huge amount of differ...But may there be lots of on higher levels - politicians, businessmen other. :y
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Capitalism or communism ehhh... what difference is there, the rules of market are the same so in the States as in China...I wouldn't been surprised if I heard that in China there are more billionars than in the US ... or minimum the same. ;)
there is a big difference , but for now I dont see its necessary to start long explanations and discussions as its far from the thread subject..
Uuhhh, thank you Cem ! ;D ;D ;D Very interesting to see what a lot of imagination there is about communism or capitalism. I can't imagine anything at all, I just remember so experienced that...I was living in that and I'm living in this nowadays, saw how that worked and see how it does... ;) believe me, in the eye of a small man there isn't a huge amount of differ...But may there be lots of on higher levels - politicians, businessmen other. :y
Laszlo, I'm married to a Romanian and interestingly she claims similiar things like you ;D
but there is one point that both of you skip.. the economical/political system , applied in your country
and my wife's country also, was a compulsory dress of the cold war era , which those countries were
neither ready! nor voluntary! (this part required an analysis which I wrote and erased because not the correct place to argue)
Briefly the system is dependant on 1-who applies it 2-how its applied and 3-under what conditions!!!
as these factors determine the result, there was little hope for it to be succesful in eastern europe
countries..
but even in worst case none of you were hungry nor jobless .. ;)
lets look at the opposite of that.. in the same era my country was dressed by the counter system (capitalist system)
which the conditions of my country never permit.. but was forced to and many people jobless, starving and loosing all their properties to rich, and some powers (guess who! hint : stirrer was on other side of the ocean) were nearly able to start civil war between us.. only soldiers were able to stop that but in that period many people suffered long years in jail (interestingly these were all socialist people!) so to cut the story short, in the end we loose all public utilities, many factories closed (that the young republic created), even agriculture dropped , banks bankrupt, our money loose all its value,
many people lost their jobs, and many work for a little money like slaves now and at the end a religious govt start to reverse all things backwards (guess who supports them! ) and god knows what will happen after..
so if you want to see which was better , I invite you to come and live here ;D :y
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Hmm...I would stay instead... ;) War was here several against mongols, against you turkeys, austrians and russians but civil war was once only - if I remember well - that was 500 yrs ago last. If brothers killed each other it's most terrible thing ever... :'( :'( :'(
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Hmm...I would stay instead... ;) War was here several against mongols, against you turkeys, austrians and russians but civil war was once only - if I remember well - that was 500 yrs ago last. If brothers killed each other it's most terrible thing ever... :'( :'( :'(
;D ;D ;) :y
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Hmm...I would stay instead... ;) War was here several against mongols, against you turkeys, austrians and russians but civil war was once only - if I remember well - that was 500 yrs ago last. If brothers killed each other it's most terrible thing ever... :'( :'( :'(
;D ;D ;) :y
Yess ! You WON !!! ;D ;D ;D
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Hmm...I would stay instead... ;) War was here several against mongols, against you turkeys, austrians and russians but civil war was once only - if I remember well - that was 500 yrs ago last. If brothers killed each other it's most terrible thing ever... :'( :'( :'(
;D ;D ;) :y
Yess ! You WON !!! ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D :y