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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Omega32E on 28 November 2011, 19:18:23
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Thanks to the widespread use of CCTV, Britain is already the most 'watched' society on Earth
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2067187/Privacy-invasion-Shops-secretly-track-snooping-mobile.html
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why am i not surprised
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cannot go 20feet with out being on camara....
still not like being tracked by your phone...
or your bank on spending habits..
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This has been the case for the last 10 years or so.
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Why let it bother you , if you are not breaking the Law as it only the crims that seem to object to it
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not true there has been a lot off spying in peoples window in the past few years, and people with mental health problems makes them worse... they dont work any way most are looking at the sky or on the ground by the pole. and if somthing dose happen and you need the footage you get sorry it was looking the other way so whats the point in them.
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Sounds like daily mail "dangle berries" to me. There is no "signal" from your mobile phone unless you are in a phone call, apart from a periodic "ping" to the network probably a couple of times an hour. If there were, the battery would last about an hour.
Even then, they wouldn't be able to "track" phones as it would be impossible to identify individual phones due to the encryption.
And no, TomToms don't "track" mobile phones either. They might report your position periodically if you have the live service enabled and your phone paired to it via bluetooth but that's a very different thing.
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To quote a comment at the bottom of the article.
. "Don't worry, it's for SECURITY & MARKETING" is no EXCUSE for such a massive CIVIL-LIBERTY LOSS"
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Sounds like daily mail "dangle berries" to me. There is no "signal" from your mobile phone unless you are in a phone call, apart from a periodic "ping" to the network probably a couple of times an hour. If there were, the battery would last about an hour.
Even then, they wouldn't be able to "track" phones as it would be impossible to identify individual phones due to the encryption.
And no, TomToms don't "track" mobile phones either. They might report your position periodically if you have the live service enabled and your phone paired to it via bluetooth but that's a very different thing.
http://www.followus.co.uk/
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.....Even then, they wouldn't be able to "track" phones as it would be impossible to identify individual phones due to the encryption.....
Not wishing to disagree with someone far more knowledgeable on such things than I - however.....
I do know from experience that cell site analysis can and does provide specific information on specific mobiles, on legitimate legal request, such that vulnerable missing persons and similar can be located to searchable/viable ground areas.
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.....Even then, they wouldn't be able to "track" phones as it would be impossible to identify individual phones due to the encryption.....
Not wishing to disagree with someone far more knowledgeable on such things than I - however.....
I do know from experience that cell site analysis can and does provide specific information on specific mobiles, on legitimate legal request, such that vulnerable missing persons and similar can be located to searchable/viable ground areas.
I think Kevin is saying that "3rd party software" cannot track individual phones in that way. The phone company software can certainly triangulate when requested by the "right" people ... :)
There is software that allows your phone to be tracked .. but it has to be installed and operating, my son watched his stolen phone moving around Melbourne, unfortunately the thief realised and threw it in the river about 2 minutes before the Police got there :(
https://www.mylookout.com/
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Sounds like daily mail "dangle berries" to me. There is no "signal" from your mobile phone unless you are in a phone call, apart from a periodic "ping" to the network probably a couple of times an hour. If there were, the battery would last about an hour.
Even then, they wouldn't be able to "track" phones as it would be impossible to identify individual phones due to the encryption.
And no, TomToms don't "track" mobile phones either. They might report your position periodically if you have the live service enabled and your phone paired to it via bluetooth but that's a very different thing.
.....plus the express as they are effectively the same shit!!!!! ::) i sometimes think DM & TE are worse than the sun as they seem to feed the ever increasing doom merchants and hypertension sufferers!!!!!
even if it was possible that all phones and calls are traceable...... well so what? dont do owt illegal. i very much doubt that someone will be listening in to any of our phone calls anyway irrespective of our personal level of self imprtance ::) ::) ::)
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Sounds like daily mail "dangle berries" to me. There is no "signal" from your mobile phone unless you are in a phone call, apart from a periodic "ping" to the network probably a couple of times an hour. If there were, the battery would last about an hour.
Even then, they wouldn't be able to "track" phones as it would be impossible to identify individual phones due to the encryption.
And no, TomToms don't "track" mobile phones either. They might report your position periodically if you have the live service enabled and your phone paired to it via bluetooth but that's a very different thing.
.....plus the express as they are effectively the same shit!!!!! ::) i sometimes think DM & TE are worse than the sun as they seem to feed the ever increasing doom merchants and hypertension sufferers!!!!!
even if it was possible that all phones and calls are traceable...... well so what? dont do owt illegal. i very much doubt that someone will be listening in to any of our phone calls anyway irrespective of our personal level of self imprtance ::) ::) ::)
The so what could be a stalker keeping tabs on a possible victim.
I know a man who uses the previous site link I posted to keep tabs on his wife as he is paranoid shes not throwing straight dice.
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Nothing to hide,nothing to fear - thats what Hitler told the jews,Stalin told the Russians etc. etc.
The point is,when our government is constantly watching/ monitoring us we have lost our privacy and our freedom,and it demonstrates that they have forgotten that they are supposed to serve us.Not the other way round. ;)
This all happened during the Nu Liebore era (the most sinister untrustworthy govt this country has ever seen) the Tories and Limpdems condemned it and swore to dismantle the surveillance society the first chance they got. Looks like they have forgotten to do so.
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Sounds like daily mail "dangle berries" to me. There is no "signal" from your mobile phone unless you are in a phone call, apart from a periodic "ping" to the network probably a couple of times an hour. If there were, the battery would last about an hour.
Even then, they wouldn't be able to "track" phones as it would be impossible to identify individual phones due to the encryption.
And no, TomToms don't "track" mobile phones either. They might report your position periodically if you have the live service enabled and your phone paired to it via bluetooth but that's a very different thing.
.....plus the express as they are effectively the same shit!!!!! ::) i sometimes think DM & TE are worse than the sun as they seem to feed the ever increasing doom merchants and hypertension sufferers!!!!!
even if it was possible that all phones and calls are traceable...... well so what? dont do owt illegal. i very much doubt that someone will be listening in to any of our phone calls anyway irrespective of our personal level of self imprtance ::) ::) ::)
The so what could be a stalker keeping tabs on a possible victim.
I know a man who uses the previous site link I posted to keep tabs on his wife as he is paranoid shes not throwing straight dice.
hold up, i think i may have missed something :-[ :-[ :-[ ::)
i thought we were referring to supermarkets tracking phones (presumably for market research purposes)?
this link, is it wjere ANYONE can track ANYONE'S mobile? and is it legal to do so?
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Nothing to hide,nothing to fear - thats what Hitler told the jews,Stalin told the Russians etc. etc.The point is,when our government is constantly watching/ monitoring us we have lost our privacy and our freedom,and it demonstrates that they have forgotten that they are supposed to serve us.Not the other way round. ;)
true but can you prove it's not actually for our benefit as opposed to jumping to the conclusion we're going to use the info to massacre a civilisation? :y
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Nothing to hide,nothing to fear - thats what Hitler told the jews,Stalin told the Russians etc. etc.
The point is,when our government is constantly watching/ monitoring us we have lost our privacy and our freedom,and it demonstrates that they have forgotten that they are supposed to serve us.Not the other way round. ;)
and the end result was loss of freedom and control.
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In fact you only have to watch a program like Big Brother (total c**p I know) as a demonstration of people being watched, controlled and manipulation.
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In fact you only have to watch a program like Big Brother (total c**p I know) as a demonstration of people being watched, controlled and manipulation.
very true :y
but then so are the papers doing exactly that.... sensationalising everything to sell papers :y
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WWW.trackapartner.com (http://WWW.trackapartner.com)
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WWW.trackapartner.com (http://WWW.trackapartner.com)
hang on cos once again i'm confused... sorry ;D
according to the site you posted, General, ANYONE can track ANYONE???? And also looking at the intentions of the site it's offering the service for people who may have a partner who's lost? yet we all know what it will be used for, right?
so my question is this.... if ANYONE can track ANYONE why are we worried when a supermarket does this as per the DM story???? We know anyone can do it and if the tech is there shouldn't we be considering ditching our mobile phone if we're that bothered? no of course not, cos we aint that bothered!
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Try the link and put in your wife's mobile number to see how well it works :y
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.....Even then, they wouldn't be able to "track" phones as it would be impossible to identify individual phones due to the encryption.....
Not wishing to disagree with someone far more knowledgeable on such things than I - however.....
I do know from experience that cell site analysis can and does provide specific information on specific mobiles, on legitimate legal request, such that vulnerable missing persons and similar can be located to searchable/viable ground areas.
Yes, with the co-operation of the network operator you can locate mobiles, of course. Not to a particular isle in a department store, though, especially as inside a building GPS will not be available for phones so-equipped, so it'll be triangulation between cell sites kilometres apart.
There are also tracking services which will locate mobiles by the same means for the general public if the user of the phone answers an opt-in request. Again, it'll be a very coarse location, though.
My point is that it's not possible in the way described - a store autonomously tracking mobiles without the holder's consent based on detecting the signals they emit. I'd be a happy man if I'd managed to find a way to do it. I've been asked. :-X
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Try the link and put in your wife's mobile number to see how well it works :y
i'm sure you're right mate. thats kind of my point though........... if nut cases and stalkers can track anyone they want, why are the DM focusing on supermarkets doing market research? :y
i personally would love to have a hot, 20 year old stalker :D :D :D :D more likely to end up being stalked by wayne tooney's former prostitute lover though ::) ::) :o :o :o ;D ;D
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* waits for the penny to drop*
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* waits for the penny to drop*
huh? :-[
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* waits for the penny to drop*
Don't hold your breath unless your lackie is on hand to perform CPR. ;)
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* waits for the penny to drop*
Don't hold your breath unless your lackie is on hand to perform CPR. ;)
Oh he's useless at that medical stuff. Did you hear he's interested in becoming a nurse?
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* waits for the penny to drop*
Don't hold your breath unless your lackie is on hand to perform CPR. ;)
Oh he's useless at that medical stuff. Did you hear he's interested in becoming a nurse?
It'll be the uniform he's after.
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not true there has been a lot off spying in peoples window in the past few years, and people with mental health problems makes them worse... they dont work any way most are looking at the sky or on the ground by the pole. and if somthing dose happen and you need the footage you get sorry it was looking the other way so whats the point in them.
I'll have to disagree with you there.. I worked for a local Authority for over 10 years in the CCTV division, working alongside the emergency services. We are not peeping toms etc, but hard working genuine people. I've lost count the amount of crime my colleagues & I captured and people being hurt in all types of ways.
Missing children, people getting mugged and a male charged with rape, when in fact the 2 women were consenting! Needless to say he was released without charge!
Like all walks of life, there are some that break the rules, but don't tarnish us ALL with the same brush!
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My point is that it's not possible in the way described - a store autonomously tracking mobiles without the holder's consent based on detecting the signals they emit. I'd be a happy man if I'd managed to find a way to do it. I've been asked. :-X
Could you do it with lots and lots of very small femtocells, and triangulate between known locations of those in a closed space? (i.e. fill the store with femtocells)..
* waits for the penny to drop*
huh? :-[
Put a number into the site posted. Any number. Just.. any number. Then you'll understand...
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Could you do it with lots and lots of very small femtocells, and triangulate between known locations of those in a closed space? (i.e. fill the store with femtocells)..
Possibly, but you'd have to manage the network to which those femtocells were attached, and they normally just phone home to Vodafone / whoever and get managed as part of the overall mobile network. The owner of the premises sees nothing of what the femtocell is doing.
..and you'd have to cover the 4 main network operators in both GSM and UMTS. That's a lot of boxes on the wall.
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There have been some interesting points made here.
The only thing I would say - by way of caution - (having just a wee bit of experience here), is be careful of what each of you as individuals except, as being reasonable, in the present and proposed level of surveillance carried out by way of police/security service/government/local government and private enterprise initiatives.
Howsoever it's dressed up, the need to extract even more information becomes evermore imperative as enough is never quite enough - this will lead to intrusive regulation in how we in this country lead our everyday lives - it is not acceptable (in my view at least) to have our every move monitored by those charged with our protection.
If people were aware of the nature and amount of information held by some of the organisations I've mentioned, they would be very concerned to say the least - and rightly so.
I was told once by a relative, who worked for a certain establishment in Gloucestershire, that information - irrespective of how it is used - is power, it is therefore disappointing to me that many organisations within the governmental and private enterprise structures in this country are becoming too powerful by far, especially for the good of those of us who live in it.
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Possibly, but you'd have to manage the network to which those femtocells were attached, and they normally just phone home to Vodafone / whoever and get managed as part of the overall mobile network. The owner of the premises sees nothing of what the femtocell is doing.
Good point - although I'm sure I read recently that the Vodafone box had already been compromised? I could be wrong about that, though.
..and you'd have to cover the 4 main network operators in both GSM and UMTS. That's a lot of boxes on the wall.
True - especially to get the kind of granularity stores would want (i.e. down to aisle level)! Surely much easier to accomplish using entry/exit beam counters and/or video cameras with motion tracking/facial recognition (all of which are commercially available now and probably a lot cheaper than a mobile phone based solution).. and it wouldn't surprise me if stores haven't been using at least some of these technologies for a long time (especially entry/exit counters).
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There have been some interesting points made here.
The only thing I would say - by way of caution - (having just a wee bit of experience here), is be careful of what each of you as individuals except, as being reasonable, in the present and proposed level of surveillance carried out by way of police/security service/government/local government and private enterprise initiatives.
Howsoever it's dressed up, the need to extract even more information becomes evermore imperative as enough is never quite enough - this will lead to intrusive regulation in how we in this country lead our everyday lives - it is not acceptable (in my view at least) to have our every move monitored by those charged with our protection.
If people were aware of the nature and amount of information held by some of the organisations I've mentioned, they would be very concerned to say the least - and rightly so.
I was told once by a relative, who worked for a certain establishment in Gloucestershire, that information - irrespective of how it is used - is power, it is therefore disappointing to me that many organisations within the governmental and private enterprise structures in this country are becoming too powerful by far, especially for the good of those of us who live in it.
That hits the nail on the head perfectly.