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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Bionic on 30 November 2011, 06:18:03
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Are these civil servant and public sector people, supposedly those who are suppopsed to be employed on our behalf and are paid from our taxes really aware of what they are doing or are they just weak willed mindless sheep who are blindly following their leaders?
::) I have just had a great idea to get them back to work.....why not let them think they have won, let the government back down and allow the pensions of the strikers to remain exactly as it is now?
I suggest that because in many years time when the public sector workers reach a pesionable age they will then be able to draw the pension that they have contributed to but which by then will intrinsically be well below that of the rest of the private sector workers who are working longer and contributing more to their pensions, albeit grudgingly.All I can see are their noses dug deep into the public funded trough once again. Sheer greed is the only description for their actions which will cause the rest of us a load of grief and disruption yet again.
Who continues to draw their full salaries while the strike goes on? Yes........it will be, no it is the Union Leaders who will not suffer in any way! Only mindless fools would allow that scenario to happen but there again.....the proof is in the pudding is it not?
I only feel sorry for those few public sector workers with a social conscience who were opposed to the strike but are forced into it by the bullying unions.
>:(...you bet I am and will give no support to them at all.
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.... the bullying unions.
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You'd have a lot less favourable working conditions without them ......................
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Roads where very quiet this morning, made a nice change. :D
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.... the bullying unions.
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You'd have a lot less favourable working conditions without them ......................
Yes, I would certainly agree with that - although some union activity has been questionable over the years - I think it essential that a dedicated, imaginative and responsible union movement continue so that people may have some representation in the work place.
With the penchant for many employers to look towards their own rewards and the bottom line before all else, the absence of union representation (or over regulation of it) would undoubtedly be, in my view, a retrograde step for the welfare of workers.
In all enterprises parties must have not only a responsibility to whatever enterprise they are associated with but, more importantly, they must have responsibility and show respect for each other as acrimony and conflict seldom conspire to build success.
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What percentage of members actually bothered to vote in this ballot ?
imo most people are just rather sheep who follow the one with the biggest mouth ;)
I know of 2 teachers who because they knew there school was shut today, pulled a sicky ( on full pay ) yesterday and went down to southampton to watch a football match and stopped over night >:( >:( >:(
No doubt they will be driving up the M1 this morning at highly illegal speeds so they can join there brothers on the picket line >:( >:(
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What percentage of members actually bothered to vote in this ballot ?
imo most people are just rather sheep who follow the one with the biggest mouth ;)
I know of 2 teachers who because they knew there school was shut today, pulled a sicky ( on full pay ) yesterday and went down to southampton to watch a football match and stopped over night >:( >:( >:(
No doubt they will be driving up the M1 this morning at highly illegal speeds so they can join there brothers on the picket line >:( >:(
Sterling fellows :y
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What percentage of members actually bothered to vote in this ballot ?
imo most people are just rather sheep who follow the one with the biggest mouth ;)
I know of 2 teachers who because they knew there school was shut today, pulled a sicky ( on full pay ) yesterday and went down to southampton to watch a football match and stopped over night >:( >:( >:(
No doubt they will be driving up the M1 this morning at highly illegal speeds so they can join there brothers on the picket line >:( >:(
Hull started well, but Southampton finished a tiny bit better, not Saints best effort. :y
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What percentage of members actually bothered to vote in this ballot ?
imo most people are just rather sheep who follow the one with the biggest mouth ;)
I know of 2 teachers who because they knew there school was shut today, pulled a sicky ( on full pay ) yesterday and went down to southampton to watch a football match and stopped over night >:( >:( >:(
No doubt they will be driving up the M1 this morning at highly illegal speeds so they can join there brothers on the picket line >:( >:(
I think they'll find that they will need to produce a doctor's sick note for any sickness absence today, or else they will forfeit a day's pay. At least that's how it's working in the NHS.
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I have been in meeting in Lincoln's Inn Fields most of day and this area was congregation point for many to hand out posters etc. The mess they have left behind is disgusting but could have been a lot worse - clean up bill for unions?
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i went for blood tests today i wasted my time and petrol they didnt tell me it would be shut total waste of time strikes dont work
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As a union rep (in the private sector) I fully endorse the need for unions and their right to protect erosion of pay or conditions for their members. HOWEVER, I feel that they must be realistic in their expectations and cannot see how they expect to be somehow exempt from the effects of the current economic climate that is hitting so many people in the private sector. Years ago many in the public sector had relatively poor rates of pay and to an extent this was compensated by better pensions. This hasnt been true for a while now.Pensions depend massively on investment and a healthy economy so they are bound to be affected surely? Moreover, whilst many with pensions in the private sector can expect their employers to match their pension contributions, many in the public sector expect them to double it. How can this be right when their jobs are paid for by us taxpayers? Dont know about you lot but my old final salary scheme has changed to a career average one simply because the company could no longer guarantee the old pension. I dont like it-but Id rather be told a realistic figure than a far nicer but unachievable one.
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Dont particularly agree with these strikes or there causes, but on the other hand at least someone has the backbone to stand up against the Government who have had there way whilst ignoring the working man for to long, its about time they started to experience some sort backlash. They live on there own planet with there 6 figure salaries and MPs claiming more in expenses than some honest hard working people earn in a year. its getting beyond a joke there are alot of people out there who work hard for what they get and have nothing left after paying living expenses each week hand to mouth one week to the next and still the greedy *astard* find ever more ways to extract money from there pockets. I dont care about the politics behind it all and the crap they come up with to justify it I am sick of hearing the *hit they spout on a daily basis telling us that we have to do this we have to do that to make it better in the long term. I am not at the base of the working ladder (although I soon will be if they get there way much longer) but I know and grew up with people that are, these people where not greedy, not claiming benefits and where happy with a working wage a packet of fags a few pints and a trip to the coast once a year (not to much to ask for a working man) but now even that has been taken from them, the cost of a pint (assuming you can still find a pub open after the Government destroyed the industry with over taxation, stupid rules and regulation) the price of a packet of fags + the cost of fuel (tax tax tax and more tax) has left people with little more than a roof and in some cases they are struggling with that. I know a guy who has worked for more than thirty years, last year he had to sell his car (a ten year old Ford) because at the end of the day he could no longer afford the cost associated with car ownership, he has been walking to work (3 miles@5 in the morning) ever since. How many members of government would do that to be left with nothing at the end of the month. (they would get a taxi and put it on the taxpayers bill, you know the guy who now has no option other than to walk) The same guy who works for his living enjoyed a drink at the weekend and liked a smoke. Before the anti drinking/smoking brigade get on there moral horse and say well its for his own good, I'm going to say now thats bo**ocks because this is what they had and enjoyed and theres got to be some enjoyment even if its not good for you. On the plus side he will now be able to work longer and live longer while he enjoys his life of *uck all.
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What percentage of members actually bothered to vote in this ballot ?
imo most people are just rather sheep who follow the one with the biggest mouth ;)
I know of 2 teachers who because they knew there school was shut today, pulled a sicky ( on full pay ) yesterday and went down to southampton to watch a football match and stopped over night >:( >:( >:(
No doubt they will be driving up the M1 this morning at highly illegal speeds so they can join there brothers on the picket line >:( >:(
76% or thereabouts in favour
A doctors, even if private, fit note will have to be provided or they will not get paid....
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seems like people forgot history ; if unions were not there and didnt fight for it you all were working 16 hrs a day!
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Dont particularly agree with these strikes or there causes, but on the other hand at least someone has the backbone to stand up against the Government who have had there way whilst ignoring the working man for to long, its about time they started to experience some sort backlash//........
Yes, I think your piece very much describes the motivating factors behind what may well become the Cri de Coeur of people when they take to the streets, in number, in an effort to express their frustration and dissatisfaction.
I'm of the opinion there is ample evidence to suggest that, in the coming years, civil disturbances will become the norm rather than the exception as people organise in a determined fashion as they experience a deteriorating standard of living with little prospect of any improvement in the near future.
More especially so when those at the top table of this society continue to sup handsomely on the best that the land provides.
So much for - ‘We’re all in this together’.
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What percentage of members actually bothered to vote in this ballot ?
imo most people are just rather sheep who follow the one with the biggest mouth ;)
I know of 2 teachers who because they knew there school was shut today, pulled a sicky ( on full pay ) yesterday and went down to southampton to watch a football match and stopped over night >:( >:( >:(
No doubt they will be driving up the M1 this morning at highly illegal speeds so they can join there brothers on the picket line >:( >:(
76% or thereabouts in favour
A doctors, even if private, fit note will have to be provided or they will not get paid....
76% of those who voted were in favour, but at least 65% of members didnt vote at all. ;)
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What percentage of members actually bothered to vote in this ballot ?
imo most people are just rather sheep who follow the one with the biggest mouth ;)
I know of 2 teachers who because they knew there school was shut today, pulled a sicky ( on full pay ) yesterday and went down to southampton to watch a football match and stopped over night >:( >:( >:(
No doubt they will be driving up the M1 this morning at highly illegal speeds so they can join there brothers on the picket line >:( >:(
76% or thereabouts in favour
A doctors, even if private, fit note will have to be provided or they will not get paid....
76% of those who voted were in favour, but at least 65% of members didnt vote at all. ;)
Wrong......for Unison anyway..... :P :P :P
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what percentage of the membership voted in the Unison ballot then Vamps? :-\
According to the Beeb it was 29%. ::)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15570669
So it was actually 71% of members who didnt vote at all. The law needs changing to back the hardliners into a corner. :y
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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/11/30/jeremy-clarkson-shoot-striking-public-sector-workers_n_1121500.html?ncid=webmail1
Looks like Clarkson has upset a few people. ;D ;D
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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/11/30/jeremy-clarkson-shoot-striking-public-sector-workers_n_1121500.html?ncid=webmail1
Looks like Clarkson has upset a few people. ;D ;D
Proof that a sense of humour has no place in this politically-correct world. Anyone that isn't oligophrenic would have seen his comments as a barbed jest and taken it as such. ::)
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what percentage of the membership voted in the Unison ballot then Vamps? :-\
According to the Beeb it was 29%. ::)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15570669
So it was actually 71% of members who didnt vote at all. The law needs changing to back the hardliners into a corner. :y
Locally
Votes cast.......196,554
Yes votes........149,522
No votes...........46,563
Spoilt papers......469
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Thats locally not nationally,and it doesnt mention the total number of members,so no way of working out what percentage didnt vote. ;) ::)
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Thats locally not nationally,and it doesnt mention the total number of members,so no way of working out what percentage didnt vote. ;) ::)
Whatever, I was at work...... :)
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So, I wasnt wrong then ? :P :)
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So, I wasnt wrong then ? :P :)
But where you right?
To be honest all this is new to me, never been on strike, but had official dispensation to be in work under life and limb response, of which there was no calls...... :)
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76% of those who voted were in favour, but at least 65% of members didnt vote at all.
Sounds like the last 2 elections that labour won ::)
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/11/30/jeremy-clarkson-shoot-striking-public-sector-workers_n_1121500.html?ncid=webmail1
Looks like Clarkson has upset a few people. ;D ;D
Proof that a sense of humour has no place in this politically-correct world. Anyone that isn't oligophrenic would have seen his comments as a barbed jest and taken it as such. ::)
At least the weather was nice for them. :P
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Bionic,i have to say that your post is a little unfair,and appears written with out knowledge of the subject. >:(.I get fed up listening to the media stating how wonderful public pensions are and how much they payout,As a scummy public sector worker i have been paying onto a pension for the past 20yrs(im now 39),the government is proposing i now work and pay into a pension till im 67 and pay an extra £280 a month every month...As an already burnt out Critical Care Paramedic Who regularly works 14hr days and nites pandering to the needs of a very selfish and demanding public,im expected to work longer,pay more but end up with a lower final pension..I cant see many 67yr old men wanting to be dealing with violent druggies,pixxed people,climbing into waterfilled ditches on a rainy pitch black early morning to pull someone from an overturned car etc etc can you ??.the private sector pays well,some get perks,staff discounts,xmas bonuses,shares,dividends,i get abuse and complaints.i havent had a pay rise for 2 years but the cost of living has gone through the roof....Im not in a union and unlike a large number in the ambulance/nhs i didnt walk out at midnight to go on strike......People need to look at the whole picture and by the way,it REALLY gets on my tXXs when people say to me..."i pay your wages cos im a tax payer"..i also pay a lot of tax every month..
One final thought...The whole country had a day off for the royal wedding this year but no one minded...A small percentage go on strike and there is outrage....Double standards...???
Glad thats off my chest.its 0320 im at work, on my break... :y
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First and foremost my comments were aimed at the union members who care so little for anyone else. 'Scummy Public Sector worker' ;D ;D Why are working for it them if you can describe it as that?
Self pity will get you no respect at all. Are you the only one who has seen the same circumstances affect their lives? No you are not! We are all suffering and no-one made you choose your occupation, it was your choice. Your choice means that you cannot complain because it has turned out not to be the bed of roses you expected. If you are as you state, 'burnt out' then why are you remaining in the job you feel is harming your health?
I cant see many 67yr old men wanting to be dealing with violent druggies,pixxed people,climbing into waterfilled ditches on a rainy pitch black early morning to pull someone from an overturned car etc etc can you
I have done pretty much the same work as you and also seen death and the results of a hard death at close hand, then had to 'mop' up the aftermath. I am now retired, not an early retirement either, after working far longer hours than you for many years of my employment, an employment history during which I lost very few days through sickness or other reasons. Who cares what you think, I speak personally from many years experience of watching my taxes pay for the overgenerous pensions of those parasites who call themselves PUBLIC service workers. It is high time that they were made to subsidise and pay for their own pensions themselves and not have to constantly demand that we, the ones who they are supposed to work for, pay for them through the nose via our taxes!
What makes them so special that they should receive a better pension than anyone else in the private sector. The private sector should not have to subsidise the public sector at all.
Would the public sector agree to fund the pensions of the private sector? A big fat no to that one I bet!
Fair is fair and the public sector pension fiasco is not fair at all.
>:(
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what percentage of the membership voted in the Unison ballot then Vamps? :-\
According to the Beeb it was 29%. ::)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15570669
So it was actually 71% of members who didnt vote at all. The law needs changing to back the hardliners into a corner. :y
You have to bear in mind governments and business have for years used the none voter as "seen to be agreeing" to whatever is decided, so why can't the unions do the same ?
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Dont particularly agree with these strikes or there causes, but on the other hand at least someone has the backbone to stand up against the Government who have had there way whilst ignoring the working man for to long, its about time they started to experience some sort backlash//........
Yes, I think your piece very much describes the motivating factors behind what may well become the Cri de Coeur of people when they take to the streets, in number, in an effort to express their frustration and dissatisfaction.
I'm of the opinion there is ample evidence to suggest that, in the coming years, civil disturbances will become the norm rather than the exception as people organise in a determined fashion as they experience a deteriorating standard of living with little prospect of any improvement in the near future.
More especially so when those at the top table of this society continue to sup handsomely on the best that the land provides.
So much for - ‘We’re all in this together’.
Here here next this country should consider a national strike about the cost off Diesel and petrol before no-one can afford to take there cars to work there for giving up work and this society we know today will revert back to the days when only the rich can afford to own a car.
As of next year the cost off fuel is going to increase by 8-25p a litre >:(
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Dont particularly agree with these strikes or there causes, but on the other hand at least someone has the backbone to stand up against the Government who have had there way whilst ignoring the working man for to long, its about time they started to experience some sort backlash//........
Yes, I think your piece very much describes the motivating factors behind what may well become the Cri de Coeur of people when they take to the streets, in number, in an effort to express their frustration and dissatisfaction.
I'm of the opinion there is ample evidence to suggest that, in the coming years, civil disturbances will become the norm rather than the exception as people organise in a determined fashion as they experience a deteriorating standard of living with little prospect of any improvement in the near future.
More especially so when those at the top table of this society continue to sup handsomely on the best that the land provides.
So much for - ‘We’re all in this together’.
Here here next this country should consider a national strike about the cost off Diesel and petrol before no-one can afford to take there cars to work there for giving up work and this society we know today will revert back to the days when only the rich can afford to own a car.
As of next year the cost off fuel is going to increase by 8-25p a litre >:(
How about LPG :-X :-X ;D
Anyway, back to this voteing business ;D
Personally, I don't think you will ever get a true picture of what people really want until someone makes these ballots compulsery for all members to vote ;)
Also, keep all union staff / pickets away from voteing station to try and cut the bullying down to a minimum :y
At the end of the day, the world has rather changed and they isnt enough money to go around ;)
People can bleat on about this and that till they are blue in the face but it won't change sweet break all, the money that was to pay for these pensons that they are all blubing about is gone :( :(
If you want to blame someone, blame Bliar and his chums who when this country ( and the world ) had it good, they wasted all the money >:( >:(
Also it should be made law to vote in local and national elections if your eligble :y
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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/11/30/jeremy-clarkson-shoot-striking-public-sector-workers_n_1121500.html?ncid=webmail1
Looks like Clarkson has upset a few people. ;D ;D
I've as little time for Clarkson as I have for the Huffy Puffy - what a waste of oppsing time - is it any wonder that many in this country are wandering around in a state that's removed from reality when such tripe (as uttered and reported) is seized upon by individuals more attracted to coloured pictures or outrageous comments than the real issues facing everyone within these shores.
The voters of this country should realise that while such tosh is being exploited my elements of the MSM, 'periodicals', social networking, oppstwittery, broadcasters, 'service providers and so on, our elected officials continue to opps us from behind - without, as the man said, having the courtesy of offering us a reach-around.
Ooh - that's cleared the custard. :-* :-* :y
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How about LPG :-X :-X ;D
Anyway, back to this voteing business ;D
Personally, I don't think you will ever get a true picture of what people really want until someone makes these ballots compulsery for all members to vote ;)
Also, keep all union staff / pickets away from voteing station to try and cut the bullying down to a minimum :y
At the end of the day, the world has rather changed and they isnt enough money to go around ;)
People can bleat on about this and that till they are blue in the face but it won't change sweet break all, the money that was to pay for these pensons that they are all blubing about is gone :( :(
If you want to blame someone, blame Bliar and his chums who when this country ( and the world ) had it good, they wasted all the money >:( >:(
Also it should be made law to vote in local and national elections if your eligble :y
Also it should be made law to vote in local and national elections if your eligble
That would be a start Tiger - but it would need a radical overhaul of the voting system and a decision made as to how much power was to be centred at Westminster and how much at local level.
In tandem, we would also have to have a strong regulatory mechanism in place that would allow the voters to have behaviour, such as we've seen in public over the last few years, dealt with effectively.
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Hi,Just a little surprised that a lot of the posts on here and the other threads regarding our country's plight,to me seem like to have come straight from the Daily Mail.
Without the unions to fight and stand up for their members rights,and that includes withdrawing their labour the likes of the pubic school boys who govern us,will soon be reopening the workhouses.
As someone who has been on the picket line during the steel strike,I have had the experience of our wonderful police SERVICE putting the boot in,and not being too careful about who they arrest.
Glad thats of my chest.
Alfie
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First and foremost my comments were aimed at the union members who care so little for anyone else. 'Scummy Public Sector worker' ;D ;D Why are working for it them if you can describe it as that?
Self pity will get you no respect at all. Are you the only one who has seen the same circumstances affect their lives? No you are not! We are all suffering and no-one made you choose your occupation, it was your choice. Your choice means that you cannot complain because it has turned out not to be the bed of roses you expected. If you are as you state, 'burnt out' then why are you remaining in the job you feel is harming your health?
I cant see many 67yr old men wanting to be dealing with violent druggies,pixxed people,climbing into waterfilled ditches on a rainy pitch black early morning to pull someone from an overturned car etc etc can you
I have done pretty much the same work as you and also seen death and the results of a hard death at close hand, then had to 'mop' up the aftermath. I am now retired, not an early retirement either, after working far longer hours than you for many years of my employment, an employment history during which I lost very few days through sickness or other reasons. Who cares what you think, I speak personally from many years experience of watching my taxes pay for the overgenerous pensions of those parasites who call themselves PUBLIC service workers. It is high time that they were made to subsidise and pay for their own pensions themselves and not have to constantly demand that we, the ones who they are supposed to work for, pay for them through the nose via our taxes!
What makes them so special that they should receive a better pension than anyone else in the private sector. The private sector should not have to subsidise the public sector at all.
Would the public sector agree to fund the pensions of the private sector? A big fat no to that one I bet!
Fair is fair and the public sector pension fiasco is not fair at all.
>:(
Well, we could eliminate a huge number of your "parasites" by tearing down the NHS and going to a completely privately-provided health care system. If that's what you want, start lobbying your MP now and make sure you have enough savings put by to pay for any treatment you might need in the future.
Public sector workers pay tax too, you know. And they pay money into their pension funds just as the private sector worker does. Along with everybody else, they "subsidise" your state pension and all other state-funded benefits that everyone gets when needed (like Job Seekers Allowance, Child Benefit, Sickness Benefit etc.). They are also the people who deliver the services that your (and their) taxes pay for, like teaching our children, caring for the sick, emptying the bins, building the roads, arresting criminals, cleaning the schools and hospitals etc. Nothing makes them so special that they should receive a "better pension" than anyone working in the private sector, but that's not what they are claiming. They are protesting that something which they were promised (and paid for) is under threat of being taken away from them, largely to help finance repaying debts that were not of their making. I know that this has happened in the private sector too, but the private sector workers had exactly the same means available to them to protest rather than just roll over and take it.
By the way, I have worked all my life in the private sector and have not been a member of a union for over 30 years. However, I can still see the unjustice in the way the public sector has been treated - and now they have to settle for a paltry 1% pay increase and the likelihood of over 700,000 job losses while we all still clamour and complain that the services we enjoy must still remain.
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As of next year the cost off fuel is going to increase by 8-25p a litre >:(
Gotta find the tax to pay for all those pensions somehow..
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First and foremost my comments were aimed at the union members who care so little for anyone else. 'Scummy Public Sector worker' ;D ;D Why are working for it them if you can describe it as that?
Self pity will get you no respect at all. Are you the only one who has seen the same circumstances affect their lives? No you are not! We are all suffering and no-one made you choose your occupation, it was your choice. Your choice means that you cannot complain because it has turned out not to be the bed of roses you expected. If you are as you state, 'burnt out' then why are you remaining in the job you feel is harming your health?
I cant see many 67yr old men wanting to be dealing with violent druggies,pixxed people,climbing into waterfilled ditches on a rainy pitch black early morning to pull someone from an overturned car etc etc can you
I have done pretty much the same work as you and also seen death and the results of a hard death at close hand, then had to 'mop' up the aftermath. I am now retired, not an early retirement either, after working far longer hours than you for many years of my employment, an employment history during which I lost very few days through sickness or other reasons. Who cares what you think, I speak personally from many years experience of watching my taxes pay for the overgenerous pensions of those parasites who call themselves PUBLIC service workers. It is high time that they were made to subsidise and pay for their own pensions themselves and not have to constantly demand that we, the ones who they are supposed to work for, pay for them through the nose via our taxes!
What makes them so special that they should receive a better pension than anyone else in the private sector. The private sector should not have to subsidise the public sector at all.
Would the public sector agree to fund the pensions of the private sector? A big fat no to that one I bet!
Fair is fair and the public sector pension fiasco is not fair at all.
>:(
Do you call yourself 'Bionic' because they took your brain out and transplanted a bollock? ;D ;D ;D
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Out of interest what do kind of pension are our MPs getting for themselves.
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Whatever your thoughts are the Metro Centre, a huge indoor shopping mall, would welcome another strike, they had a 'Bumper Day' yesterday with shoppers, along with Middlesbrough also saying similar, was on the news tonight...... :)
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STMO123
Do you call yourself 'Bionic' because they took your brain out and transplanted a bollock? ;D ;D ;D
I fail to see how the laughing faces excuse your insults.
Obviously by your comments you can apply the age old phrase of 'it takes one to know one'.
My comments, if you even read the post fully is based on personal experience over many years and my title 'bionic' reflects the many personal injuries and their 'repairs' that I have suffered in my working very long, hardly missing a days work, life. I stand by what I wrote initially.
Even if you could match my work history it would not excuse you making personal attacks which are so insulting.
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Tigers-Gonads has it right on the button....both cause and effect :y
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Dont particularly agree with these strikes or there causes, but on the other hand at least someone has the backbone to stand up against the Government who have had there way whilst ignoring the working man for to long, its about time they started to experience some sort backlash//........
Yes, I think your piece very much describes the motivating factors behind what may well become the Cri de Coeur of people when they take to the streets, in number, in an effort to express their frustration and dissatisfaction.
I'm of the opinion there is ample evidence to suggest that, in the coming years, civil disturbances will become the norm rather than the exception as people organise in a determined fashion as they experience a deteriorating standard of living with little prospect of any improvement in the near future.
More especially so when those at the top table of this society continue to sup handsomely on the best that the land provides.
So much for - ‘We’re all in this together’.
Here here next this country should consider a national strike about the cost off Diesel and petrol before no-one can afford to take there cars to work there for giving up work and this society we know today will revert back to the days when only the rich can afford to own a car.
As of next year the cost off fuel is going to increase by 8-25p a litre >:(
How about LPG :-X :-X ;D
Anyway, back to this voteing business ;D
Personally, I don't think you will ever get a true picture of what people really want until someone makes these ballots compulsery for all members to vote ;)
Also, keep all union staff / pickets away from voteing station to try and cut the bullying down to a minimum :y
At the end of the day, the world has rather changed and they isnt enough money to go around ;)
People can bleat on about this and that till they are blue in the face but it won't change sweet break all, the money that was to pay for these pensons that they are all blubing about is gone :( :(
If you want to blame someone, blame Bliar and his chums who when this country ( and the world ) had it good, they wasted all the money >:( >:(
Also it should be made law to vote in local and national elections if your eligble :y
Won't be long before thats dearer than diesel :P :y
I voted no to ballot on the strikes as there are other ways to protest but ive got to much respect for the guys that im in charge of to cross the picket line.
As for that w**k blair he's got a lot to answer to also I see the forum hemroid is anoying people again(no guesses who that is)
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I'm not going to get involved in whether striking was right or not as, to be honest, I don't understand the full implications.
However, sticking with the generic topic of pensions..... I work for a big building society ::) and I pay in to my pension and have done for 10 years. I just missed out on grabbing a final salary pension and am on something I don't really understand. I pay no AVC's so am paying the basic amount.
I'm seriously thinking about cashing this in if possible (although I think I read somewhere I can only do that when I get to 55) and not paying any further in. The reasons:
My best mate's dad died a few years back. He was aged 62 and didn't see any of the pension money he'd paid in the poor bastard. Now, in his case that dosh automatically went to his family which, although he didn't see it, at least it went to help look after his wife and kids :y
HOWEVER, I haven't got kids and am most definitely not having them... so when and if I get to retirement and I pop my clogs on the day I retire (as I am a chronic Sod'slawitus sufferer) that money presumably will go to the state and I will have paid my whole life in to this pension and not benefitted.
So, what do you guys think to stopping this?
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So, what do you guys think to stopping this?
Well, that's the trick. Equally, you could go on to get a telegram from the Queen (or King as it'll probably be by then), discover that, by then, the state pension is next to useless and be glad of the extra income. Pensions are a gamble, as is any saving, for that matter, because you can't take it with you when you go.
If your company is paying into the scheme there may not be any cash alternative that you could take at any rate, so you might as well have the pension?
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So, what do you guys think to stopping this?
Well, that's the trick. Equally, you could go on to get a telegram from the Queen (or King as it'll probably be by then), discover that, by then, the state pension is next to useless and be glad of the extra income. Pensions are a gamble, as is any saving, for that matter, because you can't take it with you when you go.
If your company is paying into the scheme there may not be any cash alternative that you could take at any rate, so you might as well have the pension?
Cheers mate :y
TBH though if I made it to a hundred I'd have already been thrown in jail for not paying my council tax so food and heating would be taken care of anyway ;D
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I'm not going to stop my pension, but on the other hand I've also given up on the idea it will give any kind of meaningful return when I retire; I think at the moment it's set to be the 'equivalent' of about £10k p/a.. [edit] I'm putting in 5% of my salary, work top up another 5%, but I've only been doing that since about 27..
Hopefully, over the next 20 years or so I'll be able to build some kind of alternative portfolio in property or .. something. I don't really know what, yet, to be fair!
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I'm not going to get involved in whether striking was right or not as, to be honest, I don't understand the full implications.
However, sticking with the generic topic of pensions..... I work for a big building society ::) and I pay in to my pension and have done for 10 years. I just missed out on grabbing a final salary pension and am on something I don't really understand. I pay no AVC's so am paying the basic amount.
I'm seriously thinking about cashing this in if possible (although I think I read somewhere I can only do that when I get to 55) and not paying any further in. The reasons:
My best mate's dad died a few years back. He was aged 62 and didn't see any of the pension money he'd paid in the poor bastard. Now, in his case that dosh automatically went to his family which, although he didn't see it, at least it went to help look after his wife and kids :y
HOWEVER, I haven't got kids and am most definitely not having them... so when and if I get to retirement and I pop my clogs on the day I retire (as I am a chronic Sod'slawitus sufferer) that money presumably will go to the state and I will have paid my whole life in to this pension and not benefitted.
So, what do you guys think to stopping this?
My two pennorth (two centworth?) is I have always belived that an individual is best to either contribute like crazy to a pension to build up the best they can (and that is at the expense of having spare cash for 40 years prior to retirement OR to spend everything you have in a TGIF cultuire and then expect hope for the state to look after you when you get to retirement age. The halfway house is no good at all as you will get taxed to death on what small pension you saved and won't qualify for top ups and so on from the state. I know this for a fact with many family members.
The bottom line is you have to decide a) will you live a long life and b) will you be well enough to enjoy it. If the answer is yes to both then start saving all you can now if one or both are No blow the lot and enjoy life.
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:) At last a realist has emerged who like many of us knows that it is useless to strike or to kick back when there simply is no more money available.
It does not matter where you work or what you do, the money is gone and no-one has the right to demand by force, which is what a strike is by nature, that others should foot the bill for their pension 'enhancements'!
You want a bigger pension? Then do what we in the private sector have to do, work longer and pay in more! Are the employers of the Public Sector crying about the increases in employee contributions they make by proportion? No, they are not so just accept your fate and live peacefully alongside the rest of us. At the end of the day public sector workers are no better than anyone else and do not deserve to be treated any differently. ;)