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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Martin_1962 on 12 March 2008, 14:46:47
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Can't make head or tail.
No mention of LPG
Looks like road tax is going over £400, might have to get an older car now!
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nah, no change to road tax...
That is a 1st year extra cost for brand new cars...
Theyve left the old ones alone, phew
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It read like mine was going to be in second from top - they need to clarify these tables
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No change this year, but next year will go up to £415 :o (if registered after 2001)
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Just read on the BBC web site.
The government is also introducing a new top band for the most polluting vehicles that emit more than 255g of carbon dioxide per kilometre.
Will this have any effect?
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No change this year, but next year will go up to £415 :o (if registered after 2001)
WHooooooo
(guess whos car was registered in 2000) ;D
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about as clear as mud...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7292110.stm
seems to say that current E / F band cars included as well :(
Could be expensive :'(
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Just read on the BBC web site.
The government is also introducing a new top band for the most polluting vehicles that emit more than 255g of carbon dioxide per kilometre.
Will this have any effect?
No, not on yours, cars post 2001 only.
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only for cars registered after 2006, so won't concern us omega owners - I HOPE :-)
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Just read on the BBC web site.
The government is also introducing a new top band for the most polluting vehicles that emit more than 255g of carbon dioxide per kilometre.
Will this have any effect?
No, not on yours, cars post 2001 only.
:)
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http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/13_03_08bud08_completereport.pdf
page 131
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No change this year, but next year will go up to £415 :o (if registered after 2001)
WHooooooo
(guess whos car was registered in 2000) ;D
Is their an exact cut off date ??????
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1st march 2001 i believe
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1st march 2001 i believe
cheers mate :y
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Looks like there could be some cheap facelift cars for sale :P
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Looks like there could be some cheap facelift cars for sale :P
unless you buy a face lift of Roger Budden ;D ;D
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This government is useless with money (and always has been), look at this:
Borrowing next year will rise to £43bn, some 2.9% of national income. It will fall to 1.3% by 2012/13.
Idiots.....
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Looks like there could be some cheap facelift cars for sale :P
mines a 2000 reg, i'm ok........
makes me think about my next car though, the plan was to go for an 03/04 car >:(
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The table looks like it applies to 2001 to 2006 cars as well, if it does time for a revolution and gimpy headed bastard is against the wall straight after Brown and Bliar - bunch of *******ing traitors they are >:(
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Can't make head or tail.
No mention of LPG
Looks like road tax is going over £400, might have to get an older car now!
The showroom tax is only applicable to the first 2 years of a cars life, therefore it will only affect brand new cars. We face modest increases only. It also looks like he has clobbered alternative fuel cars, i.e. LPG, as there is not much difference from petrol/diesel rates of duty.
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For Miggies this year .. maximum is £210 - older ones will pay less
From 2009 its nasty ....
A.97 With effect from 1 April 2009, and as set out in Table 8a, VED for cars, registered on or after 1 March 2001, will be reformed to include six new bands. From 1 April 2010, a new first year VED rate will be introduced. With effect from 1 April 2009, and as set out in Table 8b, the lower rate of VED for cars and light good vehicles registered before 2001 is frozen and the higher rate will rise by £15. With effect from 1 April 2009, the VED rate for light goods vehicles registered after 2001 will rise by £15. With effect from 1 April 2010, the VED rate for cars and light goods vehicles registered before 2001 will be increased in line with indexation. (35)
The table reffered to is
at the bottom of page 131 of http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/13_03_08bud08_completereport.pdf
and basically will mean £440 a year from 2009 for most miggies registered after 1 March 2001 , CO2 > 225 those registered before pay £200
for LPG
A.93 The compressed natural gas differential will be maintained until 2010-11 and the liquefied petroleum gas differential will decrease by 1 pence per litre on each of 1 October 2008, 1 April 2009 and 1 April 2010. (*)
HTH
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Pre '73 /'Historic' cars look to be a way forward. VED is FREE! ;D ;D :y
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Time to kick out this corrupt bunch of bastards
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Im really getting sick (sicker) of this goverment and also enviromental issues - i frankly care for neither.
If it pi55es of Gordon and Co and the greenies i`ll buy a v8 and let it idle >:(
I dont drink, smoke or do anything much else that Gordon prohibits so i`ll be damed if he is going to tell me what i can drive >:(
If only the Labour goverment would manage the economy in an efficient manner we wouldnt have a cash crisis and poor goverment bank balance that the honest working motorist has to make up time and time again.
Still at least the increase in taxation is going to worthwhile causes like giving more benefits to the lazy that wont work and rewarding immigrants for navigationg the tunnel into the UK. ( COME TO BRITAIN - WELL FEED YOU, CLOTH YOU AND HOUSE YOU - COMMIT A CRIME AND WE WILL SEND YOU HOME WITH 3GRAND).
We wouldnt want to see it used to improve the NHS, provide national childcare, schools, policing and hole free roads would we now!?!
Rant over.....for now.
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Looks like there could be some cheap facelift cars for sale :P
You can have mine for £6500 :y
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Time to kick out this corrupt bunch of bastards
They are all the same, They say one thing to gain office then forget their promises. But what winds me up is, why is it always the little people that get screwed
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This gobvernemtn is useless with money (and always has been), look at this:
Borrowing next year will rise to £43bn, some 2.9% of national income. It will fall to 1.3% by 2012/13.
Idiots.....
They're obviously counting on being voted out and someone who knows what they're doing being at the helm by 2013...
Pre '73 /'Historic' cars look to be a way forward. VED is FREE!
break 'em. My next car's a Jensen Interceptor, then. 8-)
Kevin
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I have been phoning - might be worth asking other parties their plans, I think the Conservatives will drop this as a lot of people (like us) are being adversly effected.
The bastard is on TV now and needs putting out of our misery
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no point in whingeing about we carnt do naff all just got to take it the chin as always !! best way is to be an immigrant and come here and live like a lord for free !!!!! >:( >:(
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I have been phoning - might be worth asking other parties their plans, I think the Conservatives will drop this as a lot of people (like us) are being adversly effected.
I wouldn't count on anyone reversing it. Anyone coming in and inheriting Labour's defecit will be hard pushed to make any tax cuts, no matter how much they may disagree with them now.
Besides, if I'm not mistaken all opposition parties have been sold the climate change myth in pretty much equal measure to the current muppets.
Kevin
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break 'em. My next car's a Jensen Interceptor, then. 8-)
Kevin
Haven't seen one of them on the road in years & years. About 25 years ago 1 pulled up along side me, at the lights. The lights changed, & as I lifted the clutch of my MK III Cortina, the twin swirl of exhaust was just disappearing into the horizon! :o :o :y
As for an FF ..... I don't think I've ever seen one. :y
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As for an FF ..... I don't think I've ever seen one. :y
Ahh, yes. Tractor transmission. Proper engine. :y
Kevin
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Look at band G, only applies to cars after March 2006
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
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Look at band G, only applies to cars after March 2006
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
Not any more. :( Next year that all goes out the window and it's £450 a year for a post-2001 V6 Omega.
Kevin
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But this says cars registered after 2006
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/13_03_08bud08_completereport.pdf
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Looks like there could be some cheap facelift cars for sale :P
You can have mine for £6500 :y
I prefer one that 6 months tax doesn't run out before I get to the end of the road :D
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But this says cars registered after 2006
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/13_03_08bud08_completereport.pdf
Have a look at the table on page 122. For the 2009-2010 and 2010-2011 rates there are no notes to this effect, meaning a car after 2001 gets the top whack according to its' CO2. Talk about retrospective taxation.
Kevin
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But this says cars registered after 2006
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/13_03_08bud08_completereport.pdf
Have a look at the table on page 122. For the 2009-2010 and 2010-2011 rates there are no notes to this effect, meaning a car after 2001 gets the top whack according to its' CO2. Talk about retrospective taxation.
Kevin
rather confusing or what.......what is page 131 all about then, there are sub notes saying after 2006?????
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rather confusing or what.......what is page 131 all about then, there are sub notes saying after 2006?????
Not sure about page 131. Doesn't seem to say anything about cars. Maybe they've scrambled the page numbers to break to make it even less intelligible. >:(
Kevin
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rather confusing or what.......what is page 131 all about then, there are sub notes saying after 2006?????
Not sure about page 131. Doesn't seem to say anything about cars. Maybe they've scrambled the page numbers to break to make it even less intelligible. >:(
Kevin
Kev
Have a look at the table at the bottom of 131, just above the table it states cars, then on the bottom of the table it says march 2006
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SORN and false plates
or go on the dole :-?
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SORN and false plates
or go on the dole :-?
or bullets and labour
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Im really getting sick (sicker) of this goverment and also enviromental issues - i frankly care for neither.
If it pi55es of Gordon and Co and the greenies i`ll buy a v8 and let it idle >:(
I dont drink, smoke or do anything much else that Gordon prohibits so i`ll be damed if he is going to tell me what i can drive >:(
If only the Labour goverment would manage the economy in an efficient manner we wouldnt have a cash crisis and poor goverment bank balance that the honest working motorist has to make up time and time again.
Still at least the increase in taxation is going to worthwhile causes like giving more benefits to the lazy that wont work and rewarding immigrants for navigationg the tunnel into the UK. ( COME TO BRITAIN - WELL FEED YOU, CLOTH YOU AND HOUSE YOU - COMMIT A CRIME AND WE WILL SEND YOU HOME WITH 3GRAND).
We wouldnt want to see it used to improve the NHS, provide national childcare, schools, policing and hole free roads would we now!?!
Rant over.....for now.
As one of the smallest countries in the world the UK only produces 2% of the worlds pollution. The biggest offenders are the likes of China, they bring a coal fired power station online every month, and they are not new tech clean burn ones. The yanks stick 2 fingers up at most green issues, we are just too laid back and the government know it. The fuel protests a couple of years ago frightened the s**t out of them. Can you remember one of the protest leaders, Andrew Spence? It was very unfortunate that shortly after the protests ended the Inland Revenue ( as it was then ) investigated him, and bankrupted him. Probably just a case of bad timing I think. This once great nation of ours has been given away. I for one will be out of here as soon as finances / work allow. I am sick of giving 2/3rds of my income away in direct and indirect taxation. My biggest fear is for the next generation and the appalling standard of education, can't spell, do mental arithmetic, not allowed to compete in sports in case the loser gets a complex about losing, what a load of nanny state crap. Read Marx ( the politician not Harpo, Chico and Groucho ) there are 10 steps to becoming a communist state, the UK is currently at step 6. State control of banks, more workers employed by the state, voters denied their rights, children taught what the state wants them to know etc etc.
I'm outta here!!!
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Sorry not had a chance to read up any of it yet but are we saying that it's £450 for any of the V6's? In which case I may as well stick with the 3.2 as going to a 2.5 would make absolutely no difference at all? :-/
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Sorry not had a chance to read up any of it yet but are we saying that it's £450 for any of the V6's? In which case I may as well stick with the 3.2 as going to a 2.5 would make absolutely no difference at all? :-/
From April 2009 there will be a new set of tables ... and basically any car registered after 1 Mar 2001 will be taked according to CO2 emissions, as printed in your registration document. I believe that most V6 Omega's are above 225 ppm/CO2 so will be taxed, from that date, at over £400 per year.
This is my interpretation of the data
I've tried to copy the table a couple of times but it ends up as gibberish :(
sod it ... done a screen shot instead ...
(http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/36/snapwz6.jpg)
At present we are column 2 and limited by the notes .. from 2009 we are column 5 .. :(
If you are pre March 2001 you get away with it !!
Perhaps I shouldn't have changed me car last month ... :(
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We mustn`t lose sight of the ONLY reason politicians do anything: 'To Get Re-Elected'....yes, they couch their policy actions is whatever colour-coat they think the electorate wants to see; Eco, Family, Anti-crime or W.H.Y...but no matter what they say, they feel a general election mandate is carte-blanche to press forward any action which they feel will keep them in office.
When the (sheep-like) public flocking to being 'green' (Pah!) changes to a more sensible 'balanced' view, and politicians see the electorate judging them negatively for what they are and what they do, then 'things' in day to day British life may regain some semblance of common sense.
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All vehicles registared before 2001 are not affected by the high increase.
check here:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
Like you say Martin looks like there will be alot of facelift cars up for sale very soon that are reg after march 2001.
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All vehicles registared before 2001 are not affected by the high increase.
check here:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
Like you say Martin looks like there will be alot of facelift cars up for sale very soon that are reg after march 2001.
Well i can tell you now........i will be keeping my 03 CDX 2.6 and my 04 GLS 2.2
:y :y :y
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Stuff it SORN and false plates >:(
I will keep insured and MOTed
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Looks like my miggy is staying around for some time to come. Budget is the same old story, back door taxes pushing up the cost of living and while this goverment keep letting imigrants in to work for peanuts our wages will never increase to stay ahead >:(
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All vehicles registared before 2001 are not affected by the high increase.
check here:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
Like you say Martin looks like there will be alot of facelift cars up for sale very soon that are reg after march 2001.
But look what it says for band G, CARS AFTER 2006
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do these politicians think we are all muppets? they have really got on to a winner with the green save the planet crap, they think they are looking all "green and enviroment friendly" by doing nothing but taxing us to death with it all. well what the bloody hell are they doing with all this green stealth tax then? projecting new land fill sites? assisting car owners with high emmissions by financial help? giving aid to home owners who would like to improve their homes with solar panels? improving roads ie bypasses from towns/villages? getting offenders of various offences to go out cleaning litter etc?
no, the dosh is just another bucket filler to help ease their financial incompetence......
this is ali ishmael rotundra mbobo conrad heine gupta afrikannes patel leaving uk, claiming my £3,000 then sneaking back in on a different name to claim my goverment offered grants to re-learn english and get a car to get me to a job that english people are reputed not to want.
in the words of the old gran "what a f*cking liberty". ba*tards. >:( >:(
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Look at band G, only applies to cars after March 2006
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
Not any more. :( Next year that all goes out the window and it's £450 a year for a post-2001 V6 Omega.
Kevin
Any idea cost post 2001 2.2 Omega? :-/
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im bloody glad i have a 2000 2.5 v6, dont smoke, dont drink much and live the life of a bloomin hermit otherwise life would be practically unbearable financially!
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If this goverment think that anyone driving a £70,000 "Chelsea tractor" is going to give a flying f*ck about paying a few hundred quid more in tax they couldn't be further off the mark. Whats more they have given them the perfect answer to anyone using the environment argument against them, in so much as "I'm entitled to drive this oversized vehical because I pay the tax for it." Government environment argument..........out of the window.
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thats the point tony there is no arguement from the government only a false one to cover up the stealth taxes !!!! but rich peeps dont care of a little xtra its us the middle band earners that get stuffed!
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I feel for the taxi drivers of this country, they need large cars to earn a living, they are gonna be stung...i can see them pulling a demo.
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thats the point tony there is no arguement from the government only a false one to cover up the stealth taxes !!!! but rich peeps dont care of a little xtra its us the middle band earners that get stuffed!
Another few hundred quid on road tax to someone on a six figure salary is neither here nore there, and if it really does bother them the can always offset it by buying a couple of cases of" bolly "less a year
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If this goverment think that anyone driving a £70,000 "Chelsea tractor" is going to give a flying f*ck about paying a few hundred quid more in tax they couldn't be further off the mark. Whats more they have given them the perfect answer to anyone using the environment argument against them, in so much as "I'm entitled to drive this oversized vehical because I pay the tax for it." Government environment argument..........out of the window.
In a nut shell Tony, i couldn't have put it better myself >:(
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SInce when did a prius create less emmisions than a moped?
I'm going to run the free tax cars off the road - I pay for them they don't >:( It's my road!
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I am going to keep my 2001 2.6 Omega.They will not take away my freedom and they know it.People who drive large cars like us enjoy driving and the politicans know that we enjoy our pastime that is why they tax us so easy and get away with it. We really need a proper goverment who works for the people and not a nanny state. >:(
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SInce when did a prius create less emmisions than a moped?
I'm going to run the free tax cars off the road - I pay for them they don't >:( It's my road!
Yeh...break em.. ;D ;D ;D
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Why should a <1972 car receive free RFL when in real terms they probably produce more CO2 than our miggys :-/ >:(
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Why should a <1972 car receive free RFL when in real terms they probably produce more CO2 than our miggys :-/ >:(
Remember RFL is nothing to do with CO2 - it is just greenwash
Because this was a good step by a previous government to help the classic car owner, however this shower stopped it and upset all the classic car owners.
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Why should a <1972 car receive free RFL when in real terms they probably produce more CO2 than our miggys :-/ >:(
Remember RFL is nothing to do with CO2 - it is just greenwash
Because this was a good step by a previous government to help the classic car owner, however this shower stopped it and upset all the classic car owners.
Oh dear I sound like tory boy here ;D
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right so we sorn at the end of feb 2009 then retax in march 09 at the low rate before these choppers put it up. have i got that right?
Who voted them in?? >:( >:( :(
absolutly everything they have meddled in they have buggered up.
why do we put up with it? its taking the piss now.
revolution :y
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right so we sorn at the end of feb 2009 then retax in march 09 at the low rate before these choppers put it up. have i got that right?
Who voted them in?? >:( >:( :(
absolutly everything they have meddled in they have buggered up.
why do we put up with it? its taking the piss now.
revolution :y
Not me - after hearing the TSR2 story at a young age I would never be able to.
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Right. CO2 info is here: http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1168647353
So, a post 2001 2.6 manual saloon just scrapes into band L and can be taxed in 2009 for a bargain 415 quid. All other V6s are 440.
All 2.2s are in band L - 415 quid.
2.2DTI is in band J - 260 quid.
I have a suspicion that pre-2001 cars are probably not that safe either. As soon as they get to be the minority and the "vulnerable" in society are driving newer cars that'll get hiked too.
>:(
.. and did anyone notice the horsesh1t about plastic bags? That headline is a week old. Serious business this budget - so you'd expect the nation's finances for the next year to be the work of more than a few back of a fag packet calculations on the way to the commons this morning. But no, he couldn't resist a little knee-jerk to get a tabloid headline on that one.
Kevin
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right so we sorn at the end of feb 2009 then retax in march 09 at the low rate before these choppers put it up. have i got that right?
Who voted them in?? >:( >:( :(
absolutly everything they have meddled in they have buggered up.
why do we put up with it? its taking the piss now.
revolution :y
Not me - after hearing the TSR2 story at a young age I would never be able to.
heh? :question
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This is not about Co2 & being green. Ok you sell your old polluting car & buy a new car because you get cheaper VED & so you think you're helping the planet. CRAP
There's one thing that everyone fails to realize & that when a car is manurfactured from start to finish, the process actually produces more Co2 than the car will produce in its entire running life by burning fossile fuel. So in reality we're actually being greener by keeping older cars on the road for as long as possible.
If you drive in France for instance, you will see more older cars around than you you do here & why is this- snobbery- the Jone's syndrome, i've gotta have bigger, better, newer.
I personally have never voted Labour, nor will i. "New Labour", oh yes, we're certainly seeing that!!!!!!
They WHERE for the WORKING man.
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If this goverment think that anyone driving a £70,000 "Chelsea tractor" is going to give a flying f*ck about paying a few hundred quid more in tax they couldn't be further off the mark. Whats more they have given them the perfect answer to anyone using the environment argument against them, in so much as "I'm entitled to drive this oversized vehical because I pay the tax for it." Government environment argument..........out of the window.
The only difference it may make is the trade-in value of the car. I mean if people on ordinary salaries buy a 3 year old chelsea tractor for £10,000 but then can't afford the road tax, all of sudden the trade in value of your £70,000 tractor becomes nothing.
It mat not cost them in the first place but it will cost them at trade in time because there 3 year old car is effectively worthless. so to buy a new car also becomes very expensive.
Just my 2p worth
Mike
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This is not about Co2 & being green. Ok you sell your old polluting car & buy a new car because you get cheaper VED & so you think you're helping the planet. CRAP
There's one thing that everyone fails to realize & that when a car is manurfactured from start to finish, the process actually produces more Co2 than the car will produce in its entire running life by burning fossile fuel. So in reality we're actually being greener by keeping older cars on the road for as long as possible.
If you drive in France for instance, you will see more older cars around than you you do here & why is this- snobbery- the Jone's syndrome, i've gotta have bigger, better, newer.
I personally have never voted Labour, nor will i. "New Labour", oh yes, we're certainly seeing that!!!!!!
They WHERE for the WORKING man.
Well said, I could not agree more.
Mike
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right so we sorn at the end of feb 2009 then retax in march 09 at the low rate before these choppers put it up. have i got that right?
Who voted them in?? >:( >:( :(
absolutly everything they have meddled in they have buggered up.
why do we put up with it? its taking the piss now.
revolution :y
Not me - after hearing the TSR2 story at a young age I would never be able to.
heh? :question
An ill fated fighter /bomber that cost you fathers generation two arms and a leg and was scrapped prior to production.
It looked stunning too.....
Don
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right so we sorn at the end of feb 2009 then retax in march 09 at the low rate before these choppers put it up. have i got that right?
Who voted them in?? >:( >:( :(
absolutly everything they have meddled in they have buggered up.
why do we put up with it? its taking the piss now.
revolution :y
I think they are all the same, different names but all robbing b******* :(
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right so we sorn at the end of feb 2009 then retax in march 09 at the low rate before these choppers put it up. have i got that right?
Who voted them in?? >:( >:( :(
absolutly everything they have meddled in they have buggered up.
why do we put up with it? its taking the piss now.
revolution :y
Not me - after hearing the TSR2 story at a young age I would never be able to.
heh? :question
TSR2
have a look here
http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/tsr2/history.php
all will be revealed :y
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I've followed this thread with some sadness .
Since moving to Ireland four years ago I always yearned for the lower rate of vehicle duty in UK when paying the grossly unfair VD over here. It looks like you're getting close to the horrific rates over here. We have a government that are in partnership with the Greens who are in charge of Transport :o. They have pushed through some Draconian changes which will escalate through the life of this government.
To give you an idea of road tax ;
2lt 590 euro /annum
2.6 1067
3 lt 1231
over 3 lt 1491
76 p = 1 euro
There were VERY few MV6's sold in Ireland I'm told.
Couple this with a Vehicle registration tax that adds about 35% to the initial cost of a car it becomes rather expansive.
We drivers are a very convenient revenue stream.
Don
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To give you an idea of road tax ;
2lt 590 euro /annum
2.6 1067
3 lt 1231
over 3 lt 1491
76 p = 1 euro
:o
I think the road tax situation is going to be counter productive, TBH. Many people have to have a big car because they have the occasional need to tow something big, carry lots of people, etc. If the road tax wasn't so punitive I'd be happy to have a smaller runaround in addition for when I don't need a big car.
However, if I end up paying 450 quid for the Omega I'm damned well going to get my money's worth out of it, thanks. That means more mileage in my "gas guzzler" and zero likelihood of paying another load of tax on top of that for a less "dirty" runabout.
However, my more "dirty" runabout (with not even a catalytic converter) is pre-2001, so that's going to be staying. :y
Kevin
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Time to run the free road tax cars off the road?
Also why do bikes pay road tax?
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why don't they start taxing,insuring and mot push bikes,i mean if a push bike runs in to you and it is their fault you can't claim of them and they are allowed on the road scott free >:( >:( >:(
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Who was it on here that had the horse for sale ;D ;D
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why don't they start taxing,insuring and mot push bikes,i mean if a push bike runs in to you and it is their fault you can't claim of them and they are allowed on the road scott free >:( >:( >:(
Ah, but push bikes are "zero carbon"*, aren't they?
* - Only if you don't breathe when you're riding one, but it's beyond a politician to understand that.
Kevin
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why don't they start taxing,insuring and mot push bikes,i mean if a push bike runs in to you and it is their fault you can't claim of them and they are allowed on the road scott free >:( >:( >:(
Ah, but push bikes are "zero carbon"*, aren't they?
* - Only if you don't breathe when you're riding one, but it's beyond a politician to understand that.
Kevin
Ok. You have a bicycle that you use for work & you leave the car at home. You still have to pay the ridiculous amount of VED.
That's what i hate >:( >:(
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of course its got nothing to do with the environment, they could'nt care less, its a damn good excuse to make loads more money, my 1990 4 litre was under the cat test emission requirements on its mot, and it does'nt pollute like a cat car on warm up, so does that mean i should get lower tax ?! bring back the tories, who cares about a bit of slease, everything would be cheaper again !
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bring back the tories, who cares about a bit of slease, everything would be cheaper again !
I don't think it would, As per our last encounter with this 'brand', they are well on the way to bankrupting the country, They have borrowed, poorly invested and generally given anything of any value to some other country.
So even with a different 'brand' we'd still have to pay to balance the books to recover from the mismanagement
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right so we sorn at the end of feb 2009 then retax in march 09 at the low rate before these choppers put it up. have i got that right?
Who voted them in?? >:( >:( :(
absolutly everything they have meddled in they have buggered up.
why do we put up with it? its taking the piss now.
revolution :y
Not me - after hearing the TSR2 story at a young age I would never be able to.
heh? :question
An ill fated fighter /bomber that cost you fathers generation two arms and a leg and was scrapped prior to production.
It looked stunning too.....
Don
And destroyed the UK aviation industry in the process......
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It is the "green" bandwagon that gets my goat. Sure it makes sense to look after our planet and even our backyard and someone has got to take a lead on it. After all you wouldn't dump Cr*p in your back garden unless your name was Trebus.
Road vehicles in the UK account for 28% of the CO2 emmissions. So what creates the rest and have they been taxed to death? NO. Have you ever seen the rubbish coming out of the chimney of a freighter?
Does this mean that the price of secondhand gas guzzling Omegas (etc) will plummet? Time to get into the export business methinks!! If we could convert an Omega to LHD we could flog em here at a nice premium. I'll drive them over and return in a Tata Nano for the cash conscious driver.
varche
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AAAAHHHHHHGGGGG!!!! This govenment make me so angry. >:( >:( >:(
Their justification for taxing the hell out of motorist based on CO2 emmissions is total bo!!ocks. CO2 emmissions from motor vehicles is responsible for only a tiny fraction of the worlds pollutants. Emmissions from aircraft are huge by comparison and as said in an earlier thread, third world countries, China and the US produce the worst. But the WORST pollution is a natural phemomena caused by methane emmissions produced by compressed fossils and plants beneath some of the huge frozen lakes in Russia and the Ukraine. This was highlighted in a TV programme recently whereby the methane emmissions were so strong that they could make a hole in the ice, ignite the gas, and produce a small explosion. :o
This is just another p!ss poor excuse for swindling the motorist out of yet more money to line the chancellors coffers. >:( >:( >:(
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The whole anthropogenic global warming thing is a huge hoax.
The problem is that dealing with a non-problem will cost around $53 trillion and achieve nothing.
Meanwhile the government will use the hoax to tax us again, and again, and again.
Is this what they want?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/2045
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The whole anthropogenic global warming thing is a huge hoax.
The problem is that dealing with a non-problem will cost around $53 trillion and achieve nothing.
Meanwhile the government will use the hoax to tax us again, and again, and again.
Is this what they want?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/2045
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I'll get my wellies then shall I ??? >:(
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The whole anthropogenic global warming thing is a huge hoax.
The problem is that dealing with a non-problem will cost around $53 trillion and achieve nothing.
Meanwhile the government will use the hoax to tax us again, and again, and again.
Is this what they want?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/2045
I have this to say on whats high lighted- What's happening to our planet that is many millions of years old HAS happened many times before. There isn't a single square mile of our world that hasn't been covered in rain forest, ice, desert & sea in the past.
What's happened before WILL happen again, again & again & there's naff all we can do about it.
So yes they ALL jump on the global warming band wagon & tax the beep outa us & it's a damn excuse to do so.
But they know there's not alot we can do about it.
If they wana do some thing useful (apart from dieing) they should stop cutting down what keeps us alive & that's the Rain Forests.
All they care about is money, money, money, well monies no good when where all dead.
What i'm about to say is not all nice, but the best ting us humans could do is die off & leave this world to start again.
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The whole anthropogenic global warming thing is a huge hoax.
The problem is that dealing with a non-problem will cost around $53 trillion and achieve nothing.
Meanwhile the government will use the hoax to tax us again, and again, and again.
Is this what they want?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/2045
I have this to say on whats high lighted- What's happening to our planet that is many millions of years old HAS happened many times before. There isn't a single square mile of our world that hasn't been covered in rain forest, ice, desert & sea in the past.
What's happened before WILL happen again, again & again & there's naff all we can do about it.
So yes they ALL jump on the global warming band wagon & tax the beep outa us & it's a damn excuse to do so.
But they know there's not alot we can do about it.
If they wana do some thing useful (apart from dieing) they should stop cutting down what keeps us alive & that's the Rain Forests.
All they care about is money, money, money, well monies no good when where all dead.
What i'm about to say is not all nice, but the best ting us humans could do is die off & leave this world to start again.
Lets start with the labour (mis)government
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The whole anthropogenic global warming thing is a huge hoax.
The problem is that dealing with a non-problem will cost around $53 trillion and achieve nothing.
Meanwhile the government will use the hoax to tax us again, and again, and again.
Is this what they want?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/2045
I have this to say on whats high lighted- What's happening to our planet that is many millions of years old HAS happened many times before. There isn't a single square mile of our world that hasn't been covered in rain forest, ice, desert & sea in the past.
What's happened before WILL happen again, again & again & there's naff all we can do about it.
So yes they ALL jump on the global warming band wagon & tax the beep outa us & it's a damn excuse to do so.
But they know there's not alot we can do about it.
If they wana do some thing useful (apart from dieing) they should stop cutting down what keeps us alive & that's the Rain Forests.
All they care about is money, money, money, well monies no good when where all dead.
What i'm about to say is not all nice, but the best ting us humans could do is die off & leave this world to start again.
Yep, money drives it all:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120535230851631199.html
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Oh, and in case anyone wonders why I call it a hoax, John Coleman, Founder of The Weather Channel in the US sums it all up nicely here:
http://media.kusi.clickability.com/documents/Global+Warming+is+a+Scam1.pdf
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Is this what they want?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/2045
I head Fidel Castro's getting a bit bored of retirement. Do you think New Labour could employ him as a consultant? Couldn't make things any worse, surely?
;D
Kevin
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Time for a big protest!
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Didn't take long for one of these to appear
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/greenstealth/
I've signed it already, not that these f***ers will take any notice. I've never forgiven Brown for changing the rules on Classic Car tax
We should be rioting in the streets like the French
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It isn't global warming that is going to do for us it is the population explosion.
David Attenborough said the other day that the worlds population has TRIPLED since he has presented wildlife progs. I make it way over 6 billion now. An estimate was that it would be 12 billion by the year 2050. God help anyone alive then!! Where is the food and water going to come from? And will those who haven't got any be chasing those that have?
Interestingly China has no intention of removing its one child per family quota until 2018 at the earliest. Instead of all the green stuff it is about time there was a huge focus put on the true problem. Maybe tax people to death on extra children after an introductory 9 month period of grace. :o
varche
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Didn't take long for one of these to appear
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/greenstealth/
I've signed it already, not that these f***ers will take any notice. I've never forgiven Brown for changing the rules on Classic Car tax
We should be rioting in the streets like the French
I totally agree. :y
Why are we Brits so damn apathetic? :-[ It's time we took an example from the French and made our feelings known instead of accepting every piece of sh!te the government throw at us.
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Didn't take long for one of these to appear
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/greenstealth/
I've signed it already, not that these f***ers will take any notice. I've never forgiven Brown for changing the rules on Classic Car tax
We should be rioting in the streets like the French
We will all sit here moaning, but do nothing about it, pity we are not French ;)
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Perhaps they should ban certain sectors from breeding, make both parents take a test to make sure their offspring will be benenficial to the country?
A thought
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Didn't take long for one of these to appear
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/greenstealth/
I've signed it already, not that these f***ers will take any notice. I've never forgiven Brown for changing the rules on Classic Car tax
We should be rioting in the streets like the French
I totally agree. :y
Why are we Brits so damn apathetic? :-[ It's time we took an example from the French and made our feelings known instead of accepting every piece of sh!te the government throw at us.
Lorry drivers now are under threat of licences being withdrawn.
I think we do need mass protests
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No, we should all just take this £200 bike voucher and forget about our cars...after all, we don't need them do we?
http://www.islingtongazette.co.uk/content/islington/gazette/news/story.aspx?brand=ISLGOnline&category=news&tBrand=northlondon24&tCategory=newsislg&itemid=WeED12%20Mar%202008%2011%3A16%3A03%3A240
Words fails me... ::) ::) :( ;D
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Just checked my Reg Doc....my 2001 2.2 was registered on 1st June >:(. Why is it every time I save up and buy myself a nice bag of chips, some barsteward goes and pisses all over them. The easy targets just get sucker punched every time!!
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Just checked my Reg Doc....my 2001 2.2 was registered on 1st June >:(. Why is it every time I save up and buy myself a nice bag of chips, some barsteward goes and pisses all over them. The easy targets just get sucker punched every time!!
:( >:( Yes, doing it retrospectively is plain disgraceful. Its one thing putting the tax up on new cars - you can make a decision not to buy one, but on existing vehicles its grossly unfair - and will have no effect on emissions whatsoever as the car already exists. Barstewards just picking on easy targets I'm afraid.
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Just checked my Reg Doc....my 2001 2.2 was registered on 1st June >:(. Why is it every time I save up and buy myself a nice bag of chips, some barsteward goes and pisses all over them. The easy targets just get sucker punched every time!!
:( >:( Yes, doing it retrospectively is plain disgraceful. Its one thing putting the tax up on new cars - you can make a decision not to buy one, but on existing vehicles its grossly unfair - and will have no effect on emissions whatsoever as the car already exists. Barstewards just picking on easy targets I'm afraid.
It is the retrospective bit I detest, make your feelings know - do you have a communist MP?
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Just checked my Reg Doc....my 2001 2.2 was registered on 1st June >:(. Why is it every time I save up and buy myself a nice bag of chips, some barsteward goes and pisses all over them. The easy targets just get sucker punched every time!!
:( >:( Yes, doing it retrospectively is plain disgraceful. Its one thing putting the tax up on new cars - you can make a decision not to buy one, but on existing vehicles its grossly unfair - and will have no effect on emissions whatsoever as the car already exists. Barstewards just picking on easy targets I'm afraid.
It is the retrospective bit I detest, make your feelings know - do you have a communist MP?
Dont know if I have a Communist MP.....but the more I think about this the less I believe they should be allowed to get away with such retrosective stuff. And this was supposed to be a softly softly Budget, god help us when he decides to get tough, T**T
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Labour - Communists little difference
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Labour - Communists little difference
:y :y
Glad to say I didn't vote the Buggers in not that thats any consolation.
And just to round the day off nicely the rather Council Tax Bill has just arrived in the post :'(Deep Joy
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just be greatful the Liberals don't stand a hope - they'd be even worse - closet commies
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Bottomline is no matter who gets in (including the lot I vote for) no one has got big enough balls to sort out the real issues, so just milk the easy targets to plaster over the cracks and prop up the crippled state systems tht are just beng abused....thats it Im off for a lie down!!
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just be greatful the Liberals don't stand a hope - they'd be even worse - closet commies
Very true. And that's probably why they're unelectable. One of the reasons, anyway. ::)
I have a feeling they even believe the climate change carp, rather than just milk it as a revenue raiser like the current government.
Kevin
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To all my subordinates.
I am the master, you are my servants. Stop whinging at my puppet's budget. We know what's best and you will all do as I decree.
Just cough up; afterall, my government know how to spend your money far better better than you do. What I need you all to do is to keep your gas guzzling cars so that you pay these hefty duties. If you all start to 'go green' and trade them in - getting tin pot cars, I'll only have to decide to punish these car users too.
You (Joe Public) really are so damn thick - and have memories of goldfish. You'll still vote me and my talentless cronies in come the next election. Even if you don't, my big fat pension means that I'm alright - thank you Jack. I'm so glad my pension is safe - unlike the one's I ruined back in 1997.
If you don't like it, join us politicians. There's more than enough gravy in the train that passes for more greedy self centred people.
Gordon Brown
Westminster (Well - one home that I have anyway)
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To all my subordinates.
I am the master, you are my servants. Stop whinging at my puppet's budget. We know what's best and you will all do as I decree.
Just cough up; afterall, my government know how to spend your money far better better than you do. What I need you all to do is to keep your gas guzzling cars so that you pay these hefty duties. If you all start to 'go green' and trade them in - getting tin pot cars, I'll only have to decide to punish these car users too.
You (Joe Public) really are so damn thick - and have memories of goldfish. You'll still vote me and my talentless cronies in come the next election. Even if you don't, my big fat pension means that I'm alright - thank you Jack. I'm so glad my pension is safe - unlike the one's I ruined back in 1997.
If you don't like it, join us politicians. There's more than enough gravy in the train that passes for more greedy self centred people.
Gordon Brown
Westminster (Well - one home that I have anyway)
That's on way :D
The other is "you beep off" Gordon Triple Chins Clown
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To all my subordinates.
I am the master, you are my servants. Stop whinging at my puppet's budget. We know what's best and you will all do as I decree.
Just cough up; afterall, my government know how to spend your money far better better than you do. What I need you all to do is to keep your gas guzzling cars so that you pay these hefty duties. If you all start to 'go green' and trade them in - getting tin pot cars, I'll only have to decide to punish these car users too.
You (Joe Public) really are so damn thick - and have memories of goldfish. You'll still vote me and my talentless cronies in come the next election. Even if you don't, my big fat pension means that I'm alright - thank you Jack. I'm so glad my pension is safe - unlike the one's I ruined back in 1997.
If you don't like it, join us politicians. There's more than enough gravy in the train that passes for more greedy self centred people.
Gordon Brown
Westminster (Well - one home that I have anyway)
Well Gordon, please come out of your ivory tower and stand on the streets of London saying what you say and i am sure you will be back in Scotland without having to use a gas guzzler. I wonder if you will call an election next year, i doubt it as your popularity has just taken a nose dive, please also pass on my regards to your Mr Darling he has done wonders with this new VED, hopefully this will get our national health back on track...we can all hope. because its a rather cert that it will not go on roads.
Kindest regards
Your loyal servent, sucker and thick Tw"t
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http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/road-tax/?deriv=17688
Don't know if anyone has already posted this link, couldn't
see one on a quick scan, but you can check the future VED
on any car you like here.
Just change the details in the search box.
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When is the next election - I am choosing on this thing alone! >:(
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Here are some worthwhile petitions
Age one (http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/UNFAIR-VED/)
Main campaign (http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Lowerduty30/)
Secondary campaign (http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/greenstealth/)
John Surtees (http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Sir-John-Surtees/)
Bomber Command (http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Bomberboys/)
Vulcan (http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/VulcanToTheSky/)
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Here are some worthwhile petitions
Age one (http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/UNFAIR-VED/)
Main campaign (http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Lowerduty30/)
Secondary campaign (http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/greenstealth/)
John Surtees (http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Sir-John-Surtees/)
Bomber Command (http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Bomberboys/)
Vulcan (http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/VulcanToTheSky/)
Done....but a waste of time....roll on the next election
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http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/road-tax/?deriv=17688
Don't know if anyone has already posted this link, couldn't
see one on a quick scan, but you can check the future VED
on any car you like here.
Just change the details in the search box.
Now I no I am paranoid but just done this for the wifes Volvo, late 2001 S40 T4 Auto 200bhp Yes they want £400+ for road tax, however do it on the manual and they want £300 for same car same year same horsepower.
That can't be right.
If I meet a labour supporter tonight there is going to be an accident.
Mike
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http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
Looking at this does this confirm or deny that with a 2001-2006 car the new car tax rules apply ti us or not.
I read it that we are safe, but please point out if I am wrong.
Mike
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http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
Looking at this does this confirm or deny that with a 2001-2006 car the new car tax rules apply ti us or not.
I read it that we are safe, but please point out if I am wrong.
Mike
It does say cars in band G after 2006.......but it does include cars after 2001 up to 2006 and after..........gov need to sort their rather page out and explain it more clearly to the public.