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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Guinney1971 on 16 December 2011, 11:30:06
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Hi all,
sorry to be bugging you all with questions and stuff all the time.....
If I get a 2.0 16v Auto with LPG, I know that a pre-March 2001 car will be PLG road tax, and you get no discount on it for having gas fitted, but whats the SP with cars that are taxed by their CO2 emissions? Are they cheaper to tax with gas then a PLG one?
I dont like paying more then I have too (who does?), so it might influence whether I go for an older one, or stretch the budget for a later one.
Cheers again,
Claire
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I'm not sure of the exact amount but if you notified dvla of the LPG conversion and it was on the v5 then I think you save about a tenner a year
Not much but every little counts
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hmmmmmmmm..... just looked up on one website, it says that a 2.2 Auto Omega is band K road tax and is £245 a year - thats alot more then PLG (£215 I think), so I guess I'll be getting an older one then!!
Thanks for your help :y
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The ONLY place to look is here ..
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
Official source.
Now, my calculations for a post March 2001 2.2 LPG car is : Band K, £250
for a Pre March 2001 it is £215
so a massive :) £35 difference ( less than a tank of fuel of any type !!)
HTH
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cheers matey - £35 is £35 tho ;)
have been watching this on Ebay, it didnt sell at £795, and has been relisted at £695...... tempted, very tempted.......
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130618005907?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:VRI&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2661#ht_815wt_1396
Claire
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Tell him you will give him 800 quid if he puts 12 months MOT on it :y
If he says yes, its a good motor.
If he says no, its a shed and avoid ;)
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If its mechanically sound and the cambelt has been changed in the last 4 years, its worth that imo. Although cambelt change on 4 pot is a much cheaper job then the V6 anyway,so maybe not such a critical bargaining point.
I dont think its worth an awful lot more than the start price though tbh,although others may think different tbh.
Will also be a bit underpowered imo,but it depends on your expectations really.
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the belts were done at 102k, and its done 116k, so they should be ok for a bit?
I'm used to an 82bhp Astra TD/Cavalier TD, if I want performance I either jump in the De or the Avantime (165hp/245hp respectively) :)
I just need a big family load lugger for pottering about and family holidays - much as I'd love another V6 on the drive, I cant realistically justify it for the mileage and journeys I do.
I've asked the seller for some more info - according to DVLA its got tax on it until the end of April, so thats summat :)
Claire
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I would take his mileage on £20 worth of gas with a massive pinch of salt Claire! You can reasonably expect around 115 -120miles per £20 provided you're not carrying full loads or have a heavy right foot. ;)
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Ignore, I didn't read the post I was responding to fully
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I'm running a 3.2 V6 on LPG, and that includes a LOT of towing, over the last 3 years 8 months the average cost per mile on LPG is presently 16.15 ppm so for me, from my normal suppliers (73.92 p/ltr) £20 of LPG gets me 124 miles - when I first had the conversion done LPG was 54 p/ltr so £20 got me a fair bit more !!
Obviously on a long gentle ( :) ) run it is better, I can furnish individual trip details if asked .. :)
IMHO "pence per mile" is the only true way to compare fuel costs.
:)
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My 2.5 V6 costs 20p per mile on gas at 79.9pl, driven gently. Seems to vary a lot tbh. :-\
The belt is well within service interval as far as mileage goes,but it needs changing every 4 years regardless of mileage. In my experience a lot of ebay sellers are reluctant to state the date of belt / tensioners being changed,presumably because it was more than 4 years ago. ;)
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ah, very interesting :)
Our Avantime (3.0 V6 Auto), does around 200-225 on a full tank (49L) of LPG, which we buy locally for 67p a litre (Asda, local garage or Shell).
I'm expecting a 2.0 16v Omega to do better then that - I know it wont be masses better, but as Avi only does around 20-25mpg, I need something a bit more economical as a daily hoofer abouter :) I love driving Avi, but its a shame to get her mucked up using her every day, she was bought new in 2002, still has low mileage, and we try and keep her for shows and special occasions now.
What sort of job is the cambelt on an Ecowreck engine?
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ive got a v6 elite estate and it gets about 270-300 miles on tank of gas,(50lts) but also got a vectra 2.0 sri on gas too, this only manages around 350 depending how hard i drive it, this has a 50lt tank too
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ah, very interesting :)
Our Avantime (3.0 V6 Auto), does around 200-225 on a full tank (49L) of LPG, which we buy locally for 67p a litre (Asda, local garage or Shell).
I'm expecting a 2.0 16v Omega to do better then that - I know it wont be masses better, but as Avi only does around 20-25mpg, I need something a bit more economical as a daily hoofer abouter :) I love driving Avi, but its a shame to get her mucked up using her every day, she was bought new in 2002, still has low mileage, and we try and keep her for shows and special occasions now.
What sort of job is the cambelt on an Ecowreck engine?
IMO the V6 timing belt is easier to change than the 2.0 ecowrecks, theres no locking kit for the 2.0 so you have to piss about turning the camshafts if they're slightly off the timing marks, so that usually means pissing about with a torx bit getting it one way then the other way just over the cam lobe on one cylinder then you have to get the tensioner to actually work right, i did it the first time and drove it and the belt slipped a tooth or two, where-as the v6, you just rag the bagpipes out(after removing the nuts ofcourse), take the stupid a/c pipe off, take the aux belt off after loosening tensioner pulley and water pump pulley dish thing, take the wiring plank thing off after breaking the clips,take the timing belt cover off, maul it with a v6 locking kit then repeatedly attack it with ring spanners after swapping the idlers over
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IMO the V6 timing belt is easier to change than the 2.0 ecowrecks, theres no locking kit for the 2.0 so you have to piss about turning the camshafts if they're slightly off the timing marks, so that usually means pissing about with a torx bit getting it one way then the other way just over the cam lobe on one cylinder then you have to get the tensioner to actually work right, i did it the first time and drove it and the belt slipped a tooth or two, where-as the v6, you just rag the bagpipes out(after removing the nuts ofcourse), take the stupid a/c pipe off, take the aux belt off after loosening tensioner pulley and water pump pulley dish thing, take the wiring plank thing off after breaking the clips,take the timing belt cover off, maul it with a v6 locking kit then repeatedly attack it with ring spanners after swapping the idlers over
PMSL!!!! you've seen us at work on a car engine then!!! :y
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2.0 litre engine's timing belt is an easy change but always replace the full kit with idlers and tensioner and always replace the water pump as it is timing belt driven
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ah, very interesting :)
Our Avantime (3.0 V6 Auto), does around 200-225 on a full tank (49L) of LPG, which we buy locally for 67p a litre (Asda, local garage or Shell).
I'm expecting a 2.0 16v Omega to do better then that - I know it wont be masses better, but as Avi only does around 20-25mpg, I need something a bit more economical as a daily hoofer abouter :) I love driving Avi, but its a shame to get her mucked up using her every day, she was bought new in 2002, still has low mileage, and we try and keep her for shows and special occasions now.
What sort of job is the cambelt on an Ecowreck engine?
I wouldn't necessarily say that, remember the 2.0 a 4 pot and the v6 a much lazier engine, ideling lower but has 2 extra cylinders, In mine when driven carefully can get around 39.9 mpg on a run, around town about 18, a 4 pot would really struggle to do that on a run, around town maybe different. Another thing is lpg economy is worse than petrol (i.e gas rather than liquid and associated lubricants) but half the price. Another thing with lpg is you have to run it on petrol to warm it up enough to then switch over to gas, so your using petrol either way. Don't get me wrong, I've got nothing against lpg cars in general, I'm just saying you've got to be be doing serious mileage to warrant the extra running costs (and conversion costs if appropiate)
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cheers for the info Mr Penguin :)
Our V6 Avantime cost £1500 to convert to gas, and it paid for itself in under a year in fuel savings. She does (an indicated) 21mpg round town, and up to 30mpg on a run (we got 30mpg on the way back from France with the cruise control on at 130kph), but I know you need to knock 10% off that for running on gas. The system on our Avi automatically switches the car to gas from petrol once its warmed up enough (about a mile at the most normally) - is the Omega system the same? The Avi has still got about 1/3rd of a tank left from when we filled it up in August, as luckilly we've not had to drive it petrol too much :)
Anyway, a deal has pretty much been struck on the car I've found, so all being well it'll be in my possession by the New Year :y
Claire