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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: millwall on 21 December 2011, 14:52:50
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pathetic >:(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-16288101
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rather joke.....politicians always going on about the yob mentality and the like and first time somebody puts a yob in his place and he gets charged >:(....bigman should be given a award
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the student accused of fare dodging, 19-year-old Sam Main from Falkirk, has also been reported to the procurator fiscal, which decides whether to prosecute alleged crimes in Scotland.
He has been reported under Section 38 of the Criminal Justice and Licensing Act Scotland, and in connection with an allegation of trespass.
bet he wont be charged
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Bloody ridiculous >:( >:( >:(
All it tells these toe rags is that that can behave however they want and should someone take action it is they who will be punished. >:( >:(
BLOODY LIBERALS ::) ::)
There will be a backlash to this, it is now up to the procurator fiscal to show some common sense. :D
The father of the student should be taken out and shot in front of his family. ::) ::) :y
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the student accused of fare dodging, 19-year-old Sam Main from Falkirk, has also been reported to the procurator fiscal, which decides whether to prosecute alleged crimes in Scotland.
He has been reported under Section 38 of the Criminal Justice and Licensing Act Scotland, and in connection with an allegation of trespass.
bet he wont be charged
He as also been reported for one count of assault as well so let's hope he does :y
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Brilliant. If people make a stand against behaviour, they get charged. If they don't, then the behaviour continues unabated.
One can only hope that common sense is used, and at the most a conditional discharge is given...
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Disgraceful. The big fella didn't actually bring up the knuckle as far as I could tell. ??? ???
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Brilliant. If people make a stand against behaviour, they get charged. If they don't, then the behaviour continues unabated.
One can only hope that common sense is used, and at the most a conditional discharge is given...
I agree. The guy had no place being there and reasonable force was used in my opinion. Police and the justice system have far more pressing issues imo.
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Brilliant. If people make a stand against behaviour, they get charged. If they don't, then the behaviour continues unabated.
One can only hope that common sense is used, and at the most a conditional discharge is given...
I agree. The guy had no place being there and reasonable force was used in my opinion. Police and the justice system have far more pressing issues imo.
Personally, the little scrote deserved what he got but if I read the law correctly, "bigman" is guilty of assault and he will get done for it :(
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It is disappointing without doubt - but not entirely unexpected given the gutless arse-covering troglodytes who fester within the justice system in this country. :( :(
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Disgraceful. The big fella didn't actually bring up the knuckle as far as I could tell. ??? ???
Sadly, as soon as you 'lay hands' upon a person its deemed assault up thisaways. What becomes negotiable thereafter is the degree and method of conduct/contact.
In my eye, Big Man was doing quite fine right up until the young lad was launched from the train onto the platform. Even from the 'phone footage, its obvious that the lad is going to do a face plant on the platform - and I bet thats what cooks the Big Mans goose at the end of the day, unfortunately.....
And in all honesty, I am on the side of getting the lad off the train by use of common sense. But as a nation we now have an over abundance of doogooders and 'Elf and Softy' rools and regs which decree that the police are called to deal with this at the next stop and thats where the reality falls on its face.
The Police would be either at Edinburgh Waverley or Glasgow Queen Street, both a fair distance behind the train and at least an hour, perhaps two, from attending. Jurisdictions etc are now such that the local Constabulary are no longer allowed to deal with train circumstances as its the empire of BTP.
Sadly, we now have ambulance chaser lawyer types ready to assist on a no win-no fee basis all those those who feel the world is due them a living and fek the rest of the world. >:( >:( >:(
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Personally if it were me sitting where Allan Pollock was I would most certainly have done the same thing , I have in the past , but once the Police are involved they don't take the side of common sense nowadays and will just go by the book come what may leaving it for others ,The PF in this case, to decide on the next step.
I think the most galling thing in it all is the attitude adopted by most of the "yoof" today that is based on " I know my rights and you just can't touch me " approach and the blinkered parents denial that their son did anything wrong .
It's quite sobering to think that if I'd been that lad and went home and told my Dad what I'd done I'd have got a slapping from him for not buying a ticket, giving the conductor lip , refusing to get off and causing upset and delay to others......
Just ponder what I'll be like in another ten years , scrotes like that will be ringfenced by protection whilst the general public will have to sit , watch and endure , but never touch !
Big Society ? Pah !
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It is disappointing without doubt - but not entirely unexpected given the gutless arse-covering troglodytes who fester within the justice system in this country. :( :(
I have to congratulate you Den ,I was forced to Google that one :-*
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It is disappointing without doubt - but not entirely unexpected given the gutless arse-covering troglodytes who fester within the justice system in this country. :( :(
I have to congratulate you Den ,I was forced to Google that one :-*
The old boy certainly has a way with words.... ;)
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It is disappointing without doubt - but not entirely unexpected given the gutless arse-covering troglodytes who fester within the justice system in this country. :( :(
I have to congratulate you Den ,I was forced to Google that one :-*
The old boy certainly has a way with words.... ;)
I can't say the word never mind know what it means ;D ;D
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The process from deemed offence to conviction has quite a few options for common sense to be applied.
The individual who may or may not feel agrieved at the actions of another.
The Officer attending, once requested, may or may not report for prosecution.
The Procurator Fiscal (or Director of Public Prosecutions in Englandshire) may or may not forward for prosecution.
The Sheriff (aye, we still have them up here....) or Magistrate, after trial, may or may not impose a punishment/admonishment/dismissal.
At each and every stage, our old, lost and late lamented friend common sense comes into play where each player has the option to kick the case into touch as its a load of rowlocks and should never have been given life on paper.
As we now have too many liberal guru's of human rights, health and safety, ambulance chasing lawyers and cringeworthy social workers for the hard of thinking, we unfortunately now reap what we have sown.
Not for an instant suggestion riot or civil insurrection but....
.... isn't it time for a reality check??
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The process from deemed offence to conviction has quite a few options for common sense to be applied.
The individual who may or may not feel agrieved at the actions of another.
The Officer attending, once requested, may or may not report for prosecution.
The Procurator Fiscal (or Director of Public Prosecutions in Englandshire) may or may not forward for prosecution.
The Sheriff (aye, we still have them up here....) or Magistrate, after trial, may or may not impose a punishment/admonishment/dismissal.
At each and every stage, our old, lost and late lamented friend common sense comes into play where each player has the option to kick the case into touch as its a load of rowlocks and should never have been given life on paper.
As we now have too many liberal guru's of human rights, health and safety, ambulance chasing lawyers and cringeworthy social workers for the hard of thinking, we unfortunately now reap what we have sown.
Not for an instant suggestion riot or civil insurrection but....
.... isn't it time for a reality check??
Let's not generalise shall we..... :P :P I agree with what everyone is saying......until there is a whole change in attitude by those in charge we will continue to decline....... :( :(
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disgrace! he should be offered a job as head of security by the train operator. ;D
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About time our trains were patrolled to the same standard as those in Germany. Inspectors working in twos, each carrying a piece. So, you haven't got a ticket? Ask yourself.. Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk? ;D
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Frustrating behavior. Even more frustrating outcome. But does not paying for a ticket justify assault? Depends on our understanding of assault I guess, which would appear somewhat different to the laws understanding...?
I suppose the inspector should have allowed the journey to continue, reported him to the authorities, and if said authorities catch him at a station later before he gets off, gotcha....? If he had done so, we wouldnt be here now. I guess? :-\
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At the end of the day, it's down to the train operating companies, really.
A guard working alone like that can only ask politely that he pay. If the train companies don't provide a means for timely backup to arrive and deal with the situation, then they have to take the hit when someone with a brass neck won't pay. I suspect they've probably done the sums and decided that's the cheapest solution. :'(
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Yeah, trains going to run anyway. Even if empty.
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Didn't the Big Man do no more than a night club bouncer would have.
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It "appears" he used reasonable force. He helped him off the train, but the dodger then resisted and appeared to use force to get back on. In the struggle, the big man just pushed him away. At least he didn't hit the prat!
The fact he was swearing with a very young family next to him, he obviously has no respect, so that in turn rules out any respect due to him! :P
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Didn't the Big Man do no more than a night club bouncer would have.
A lot less I would say. A friend and I had the crap kicked out of us by three huge bouncers back in the late seventies. I still have the bruises..... ;)
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Big man asked the conductor if he wanted help, to which he replied "Yes Please" so surely he was acting on behalf of the conductor? ???
As has been said, it seemed reasonable force IMO, and the only reason the lad hit the deck was because he used unreasonable force trying to get back on!
You can bet your last penny that the conversation between the yoof and the conductor had been going on for a lot longer than we saw in the clip ;)
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What I meant by the first paragraph above is that the rail company should be coming forward to help this man in his defence.
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What I meant by the first paragraph above is that the rail company should be coming forward to help this man in his defence.
Indeed. The conductor should have told him to stay out of it, IMHO. Had the conductor been under threat of violence it may have been appropriate for him to step in and, had he been acting in the conductor's defence in the face of a physical assault, he wouldn't be up before the beak, IMHO.
Unfortunately, the youth was far too clever to put a mark on the conductor, and knew that if he stood his ground there was sweet F.A. that anyone could do, other than let him continue his free journey.
A ridiculous situation we find ourselves in but, sadly, any other outcome would violate his yumin right to do exactly as he pleases, and break everyone else. >:(
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mobile phones are sometimes our saviours but in bigmans case its gonna be his downfall.... the student should be prosecuted for not having a ticket and bigman will i think anyways not be prosecuted.... but in the 1st instance the guard should not of allowed a member of the public intervene in a matter that did not directly involve him.... its very noble to get up and think thats it i`ve had enough i`ll deal with this scrote... but people soon fade away when things go pear shaped... anyways i`ll shut up cause i dont want an arguement with you guys and i`ll leave this matter to those who are more experianced than me... :-X :y happy x-mas
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Do you know what I think is really sad. The fact that the fare dodoger, on reflection the next day, and seeing what a pratt he had been, didn't have the gonads to say "I deserved all I got". The big change in society these days is people not accepting responsibilty for their own actions. A real man would have accepted and moved on, all he has done is confirmed what an ar*e he is to the whole world. I can't believe he has any friends, or self respect come to that.
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iver seen it before. 3 youths aggressive on the train. conductor rang through and they were arrested at next station. that's how it should of been dealt with.
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I can't believe he has any friends, or self respect come to that.
Indeed, but such is the world we live in, his actions have probably won him both friends and respect. >:(
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It's all depressingly familiar..... >:( FREE THE BIGMAN!!!! :y :y :y