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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: kcl on 02 January 2012, 09:28:53
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I suspect my wishbone bushes are shot but how can I be sure? When levering the front bush with pry bar in/out it moves quite easily but how hard it should be to move it? Is there any good method to make sure it's the bushes that are shot?
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They should be very stiff. Yours are fubar.
If the rearward bush is not split fit Polly.
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Ok, thanks :y
Poly's might be the best option but I think I will only put some pattern wishbones in and have the opportunity to re-do all within a few miles as this is kind of a hobby to me ;D ;D ;D And I get a permit to go to my garage and the only extra loss will be another wheel alignment
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Ok, thanks :y
Poly's might be the best option but I think I will only put some pattern wishbones in and have the opportunity to re-do all within a few miles as this is kind of a hobby to me ;D ;D ;D And I get a permit to go to my garage and the only extra loss will be another wheel alignment
This is a correct assessment if you use pattern 'bones. I speak from experience. >:( >:( >:( Lemforders will last better. 8) :y
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Just fit the polys :y Can be done in situ, thus preserving geometry :y
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Just fit the polys :y Can be done in situ, thus preserving geometry :y
What? How is that possible? Just the fronts I think? I thought you'd need a press to do that? Where can I get ones?
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I think you need press to get the old bushes out
or a good hacksaw and screwdrive
impossible with wishbone on the car
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I think you need press to get the old bushes out
or a good hacksaw and screwdrive
impossible with wishbone on the car
No it's not, and it preserves the track/camber setting ::) There is a nice Video of it being done round here somewhere :y
Hacksaw/chisel. Basically, you cut the middle out with a knife or blow torch, then cut through the outer bushing, taking care not to cut through the arm itself. Use the chisel to knock the outer bush in on itself and it should fall out easily enough. Polys then just push in. :y
#Same procedure as off car but less hassle :y
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90676.0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90676.0)
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impossible with wishbone on the car
Sorry Micheal but that's rubbish. Where are you getting your info?
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Delicately put...
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Found the video :y
http://s696.photobucket.com/albums/vv327/Turkpix/?action=view¤t=HowtofitFrontPoly-Bush-1.mp4 (http://s696.photobucket.com/albums/vv327/Turkpix/?action=view¤t=HowtofitFrontPoly-Bush-1.mp4)
Watch and learn 8)
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How many people here have actually removed the front bush with the wb still on the car? I bet more have with it off. I think for all intents and purposes it is impossible, assuming you don't have your own personal pit and pit jack, or a car lift, and reciprocating saw.
I've just polybushed my elite a few days ago. With the car on stands on the drive like 99% of people will go this job, it's easier to just take it off, after all it's no great hardship once you've gone that far and it's only nuts and bolts. And it allows extra clearance and leverage when working on the old wishbone.
The video doesn't actually show the bush being removed, and it needs some bloody encouragement I can tell you, even with a few relief cuts.
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Where do we get the poly bushes ? What we talking price wise for both sides .
Also does that metal insert come with the new poly bush , never replaced with polys so just presuming the insert comes in with the replacement kit :y
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Where do we get the poly bushes ? What we talking price wise for both sides .
Also does that metal insert come with the new poly bush , never replaced with polys so just presuming the insert comes in with the replacement kit :y
No insert, just push the 2 halves in to the arm, metal bush comes with the bushes and just pushes in.How many people here have actually removed the front bush with the wb still on the car? I bet more have with it off. I think for all intents and purposes it is impossible, assuming you don't have your own personal pit and pit jack, or a car lift, and reciprocating saw.
I've just polybushed my elite a few days ago. With the car on stands on the drive like 99% of people will go this job, it's easier to just take it off, after all it's no great hardship once you've gone that far and it's only nuts and bolts. And it allows extra clearance and leverage when working on the old wishbone.
The video doesn't actually show the bush being removed, and it needs some bloody encouragement I can tell you, even with a few relief cuts.
A valid point Geoff, I did mine before fitting the new arms to the car, biggest hardship was the blunt hacksaw blade ::). An electric hacksaw would make fairly light work of the bush :y. The video also shows just how far you can move the arm down in order to work on it. :y
With the car driven up on a pair of ramps, you've a bit more space to play with, granted it won't be comfortable, but it is feasible... :y
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Seen a few pairs changed without removing the wishbone, one of which at Newent ;)
But it will still need the geometry setting up anyway so I would generally remove it. As for cheap wishbones always failing early... Not always true ;) I had a pair that out lasted MarkDTM's Lemforders ;) But the next pair, from the same supplier, weren't as good :(
So it's pot luck ;)
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How many people here have actually removed the front bush with the wb still on the car?
I certainly didn't bother removing them... ...I haven't a press anyway, so little difference between sawing the old bushes out in a vice, and sawing them out on the car.
I did have the luxury of being able to get the car pretty high.
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It's about 1 hour as side to fit polly with wishbones on the car.
Mine.
Kevin's
TB's
AA's
Think Master did his on the car.
Two other member's I've done for them on the drive.
I jack the car high enough to place ramps under the front wheels personally.
The rest is as master said.
Unbolt the front bush, pull the wishbone down and wedge it clear of the subframe.
Make room to pass a saw blade through the bush. I use a hole cutter to cut the rubber section out. Jig saw with metal blade works well enough to cut through the metal bands, this is the time consuming bit, as you have to be carefully not to cut the wishbone itself.
Once the old bush is removed it takes about two minutes to fit polly and bolt it back up.
it really is that simple if your carefull.
It really does amaze me how categorical some are about something they've never tried.
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Should add, if using a hole cutter, be aware of the oil spraying out of the oil bladders in the bush. It gets hot and doesn't taste nice. ;D
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It's about 1 hour as side to fit polly with wishbones on the car.
Mine.
Kevin's
TB's
AA's
Think Master did his on the car.
Two other member's I've done for them on the drive.
I jack the car high enough to place ramps under the front wheels personally.
The rest is as master said.
Unbolt the front bush, pull the wishbone down and wedge it clear of the subframe.
Make room to pass a saw blade through the bush. I use a hole cutter to cut the rubber section out. Jig saw with metal blade works well enough to cut through the metal bands, this is the time consuming bit, as you have to be carefully not to cut the wishbone itself.
Once the old bush is removed it takes about two minutes to fit polly and bolt it back up.
it really is that simple if your carefull.
It really does amaze me how categorical some are about something they've never tried.
I don't think so.
It also really amazes me how some people on this forum are quick to jump down people's throats and tell them they're wrong and always try to get the last word in. Its not just me whos noticed either. I'm pointing out to the op that it would be easier for most people, with limited facilities and experience, like him it appears, to take the wishbone off and pb it.
I'm not being categorical, it seems you're touchy about anything anyone says that dares to differ slightly from your supreme methods. I think you should relax
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Chill pills please guys.
Either method is possible (there was a post earlier that stated it was impossible to do it on the car, which is incorrect). Personally, I would (and did) do it on the car, as it is quicker. But thats personal choice.
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How many people here have actually removed the front bush with the wb still on the car? I bet more have with it off. I think for all intents and purposes it is impossible, assuming you don't have your own personal pit and pit jack, or a car lift, and reciprocating saw.
I've just polybushed my elite a few days ago. With the car on stands on the drive like 99% of people will go this job, it's easier to just take it off, after all it's no great hardship once you've gone that far and it's only nuts and bolts. And it allows extra clearance and leverage when working on the old wishbone.
The video doesn't actually show the bush being removed, and it needs some bloody encouragement I can tell you, even with a few relief cuts.
Me for one, and having changed the wishbones completely twice, I found it far easier to fit the poly bush while the 'bone was still on the car. :y
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It's about 1 hour as side to fit polly with wishbones on the car.
Mine.
Kevin's
TB's
AA's
Think Master did his on the car.
Two other member's I've done for them on the drive.
I jack the car high enough to place ramps under the front wheels personally.
The rest is as master said.
Unbolt the front bush, pull the wishbone down and wedge it clear of the subframe.
Make room to pass a saw blade through the bush. I use a hole cutter to cut the rubber section out. Jig saw with metal blade works well enough to cut through the metal bands, this is the time consuming bit, as you have to be carefully not to cut the wishbone itself.
Once the old bush is removed it takes about two minutes to fit polly and bolt it back up.
it really is that simple if your carefull.
It really does amaze me how categorical some are about something they've never tried.
I don't think so.
It also really amazes me how some people on this forum are quick to jump down people's throats and tell them they're wrong and always try to get the last word in. Its not just me whos noticed either. I'm pointing out to the op that it would be easier for most people, with limited facilities and experience, like him it appears, to take the wishbone off and pb it.
I'm not being categorical, it seems you're touchy about anything anyone says that dares to differ slightly from your supreme methods. I think you should relax
When you've tried it, come tell us about it. Until then....
IMO your miss guiding others. Bad advice. No more equipment is needed with wishbones on the car. Plus hours of labour is saved, provided the rear bush is sound of course.
Sigh....
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Right, locking.
FFS, can't we just be nice to each other, and less defensive. Or aggressive.
Jeez >:(