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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Varche on 14 January 2012, 12:45:34
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16558910
Pretty amazing that the death toll is so low. I once went on a cruise around the Med and I wouldn't have wanted to be woken up in the dark by abandon ship with it listing.
It will be interesting to see the recovery and repair job in weeks to come. I bet people booked won't be cruising on that ship for quite a few weeks!
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I think it took a while to go over, which helps, along with how close captain got it to shore before finally going over
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The death toll has risen considerably as the day has rolled on :'( I find it incredible how in these days of modern navigational equipment tradgedies like this keep on happening.
I can motor out on my 20 foot long boat over twenty five miles, find whats left of a ship that was sunk WW1 that measures less than 100 feet long, and choose weather I drop my fishing line over the bow or the stern of the rusting hulk, all this done with a GPS plotter that cost me less than two hundred quid :-\
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Sad to see lives have been lost, due to navigational error. :-[:(
That is one big hole in the side of the ship. :o :o :o
I'm surprised ships like this don't have double skinned hulls below the waterline.
The causality rate per passenger mile for ferries and cruise ships is about the same as driving a car, so they are nowhere near as safe as flying or train journeys.
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I have been suprised tonight, that on the TV, after an accident like this, they are advertising cruises almost every 20 mins.
Out of respect for the dead, I thought they could have resisted for at least one night >:(
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These are comments made by the liners owners:
Mr Onorato added: "We will be working in full transparency with Italian authorities" to understand the causes of the disaster.
He said normal lifeboat evacuation had become "almost impossible" because the ship had listed so quickly.
Frightening that a modern cruise ship can take on water and capsize, so quickly, just imagine if the same thing happened in deep water, say by hitting a iceberg, you would have Titanic mkII. :o :o :o :o >:( >:( >:( >:(
Why don't they have double skinned hulls, below the waterline? This is a major disaster waiting to happen. It doesn't matter how many lifeboats you have, if you can't launch them you are in a worse position than the Titanic, which at least managed to launch about half of theirs. :o :o :o :o
This might alter peoples views on cruising, unless they can prove that the same thing will not happen again by improving safety standards. Ferries with their large open decks, now have to be fitted with anti-capsize devices, which are normally traverse bulkheads.
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The fact that the life boat drills with passengers wasn't done earlier shocks me after working on cruise ships/ferries for 3 years there was normally a talk before leaving port.
Admittedly the listing of the ship didn't help with the releasing of the lifeboats didn't help the situation but the fact that the captain left the ship before evacuation was completed is a real no no in the shipping evac procedures.
I saw this morning though that 3 people have been found alive onboard which is a good thing but why hadn't crew been checking all cabins on their way through to abandon ship which is standard procedure as well.
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The fact that the life boat drills with passengers wasn't done earlier shocks me after working on cruise ships/ferries for 3 years there was normally a talk before leaving port.
Admittedly the listing of the ship didn't help with the releasing of the lifeboats didn't help the situation but the fact that the captain left the ship before evacuation was completed is a real no no in the shipping evac procedures.
I saw this morning though that 3 people have been found alive onboard which is a good thing but why hadn't crew been checking all cabins on their way through to abandon ship which is standard procedure as well.
Some passengers are saying there had been talks and drills :-\
Usual media BS somewhere I guess
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Additionally, from my basic A Level physics and basic A Level engineering design, cruise ships will alway be pront to capsizing.
Relatively shallow hulls, with massize structures on top, always be top heavy....
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Credit to the captain for getting the ship to shallow water - although there are now allegations that he didn't exactly hang about getting off the boat himself - this could have been so, so much worse. I suppose it's a bit of a dilema what to do in such circumstances. Abandon ship when there's still a chance of making shallow water, with the risks this must also have presented. It can't be easy to get so many off a ship of that size in darkness even before it starts listing badly but the crew must have some idea of the seriousness from the on board telemetry. This also obviously raises the question of how well they plan for such emergencies and how well practised the crew are in controlling such a situation.
It took my wife about six months to pursuade her mum to go on a Norwegien cruise last year - which she loved - but I wonder whether her plans for a cruise to the Med this year and now going to be on hold.
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captain was the first who escaped from the ship ;D
anyway it is very sad :'(
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Well I am a suspicious beggar at the best of times.
What is the likelyhood that the ship was on auto pilot guided by a 50 euro GPS system.? Only person on or near the bridge was a Philipino boy on brass polishing duties but having a fag outside.* IF GPS can send countless vehicles down a none road into a ditch in broad daylight near my aunts house.
* That was my experience when I went up to the bridge of the cruise liner I went on.
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Listening to the news it sounds, to me, that the key card system for cabin doors needs sorting, power cut and the doors remain locked, even from the inside you can not get out............How stupid is that? those poor people trapped in their cabins..... :'( :'(
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A terrible and shocking thing to have happened in Western Europe in this day and age.It sounds like the captain is going to have his own cabin with bars on the window for a few years.
I was peed off yesterday by all the headlines saying it was just like the Titanic.It wasnt.I know they like to sensationalise things but thats ridiculous.
The Titanic was the biggest passenger ship the world had ever seen,and was on its maiden voyage when it sunk. It was in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean,not 100 yards from land.It was carrying over 2200 passengers of whom over 1500 died. Hardly on the same scale. ::)
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The press reporting quality has been pretty piss poor as usual.
They are making statements like 'cruise ships are not suppoed to list like this'. Well you media muppets, if the ship has a pointed hull and is sat on the bottom then its going to!
The journalistic quailty we see these days is realy bad
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The press reporting quality has been pretty piss poor as usual.
They are making statements like 'cruise ships are not suppoed to list like this'. Well you media muppets, if the ship has a pointed hull and is sat on the bottom then its going to!
The journalistic quailty we see these days is realy bad
There was some Hungarian guy in staff of the cruise ship they spoke with a reporter in the news and said that was a tradition they often followed namely going close to the shore passangers to be waving to habitants and reverse...I ask at 9pm? ??? The captain said that there wasn't any rock signed on map though the representative of cruise company said the ship didn't leave for unusual way...They aren't communicating the same. ???
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Prosecutesrs are now saying it was the captains fault for getting so close to island...do they not have charts that show shallow water/rocks/land? ? ?
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Prosecutesrs are now saying it was the captains fault for getting so close to island...do they not have charts that show shallow water/rocks/land? ? ?
Captain is still insisting that the rock they hit was not on his charts, king ejit. Even I would have seen the islandrock that he drove into... ::) :-X
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I'm not necessarily defending the captain in this instance as he seems to have shown a fair degree of incompetence, but it does go to show what a huge responsibility these guys have to bear. Accidents such as this are so rare that everyone takes it for granted that the captain's and crews of such vessels are bulletproof, but one slight error in judgement they go from hero to zero in an instant.
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I'm not necessarily defending the captain in this instance as he seems to have shown a fair degree of incompetence, but it does go to show what a huge responsibility these guys have to bear. Accidents such as this are so rare that everyone takes it for granted that the captain's and crews of such vessels are bulletproof, but one slight error in judgement they go from hero to zero in an instant.
Precisely. Same level of responsibility as an airline pilot, etc. Which is why I was surprised to see this...
There was some Hungarian guy in staff of the cruise ship they spoke with a reporter in the news and said that was a tradition they often followed namely going close to the shore passangers to be waving to habitants and reverse...
Maritime equivalent of "buzzing the tower". :o Not something holidaymakers are treated to while travelling by air. I expect there will be some difficult questions for the captain. :(
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All the cruise ships I have been on have been guided in by a pilot.
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Bring back the captain is expected to go down with his ship, that will make them be a bit more careful! :y ;D
The is unbelievable, but the latest reports are that the captain took an unauthorized detour from the standard headquarters pre-programmed route, to go closer inshore so the locals and passengers could wave to each other! :o :o :o
Well the locals and the passengers have well and truly got to know each other much better now! :o :o :o
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All the cruise ships I have been on have been guided in by a pilot.
that would depend on whether there is a member of the bridge crew who is qualified as a pilot for the port they are going into
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What i'm amazed at is, that a cruise ship this new/big/expensive, doesnt appear to have sonar to alert the captain/bridge that the ship is getting dangerously too close to something underwater.
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All the cruise ships I have been on have been guided in by a pilot.
that would depend on whether there is a member of the bridge crew who is qualified as a pilot for the port they are going into
In talking to the P & O navigator on the last cruise, they take on board the pilot, because he has the most up to date information on the local area, and he takes over the contols of the ship.
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Lionel Ritchie has cancelled his fothcoming gigs on cruise liners.Apparently "Dancing On The Ceiling" does not have the same appeal anymore.