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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Rods2 on 21 January 2012, 20:18:15
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The Government is currently passing a new bill on welfare through Parliament at the moment, part of this is to limit all welfare payments to a maximum of £26,000pa. :y
Ian Duncan-Smith admins there are a number of benefit claimants with large families, especially in London, who get more than £100,000pa. He say the new measures will be liberating for them as they can now get an average wage job, without a big decrease in benefits, which is trapping them from doing this.
This I think is a reasonable comment and it shows how far our benefits system is devoid from the realities of the average hard working family. >:( >:( >:( >:(
But then you get that left wing Limpdem tw*t Simon Hughes, who's comment "We cannot allow families to be unjustifiably and retrospectively penalised and left with not enough money to stay in their homes and be literally forced onto the street".
So it's alright then that families that have been pushed over the financial edge, due to NIC, VAT and council tax rises and had their houses repossessed and are out on the street, as long as they should continue to be good tax payers and fund the £100,000+ benefit claimants. >:( >:( >:( >:(
With tw*ts like him and all the other do gooders in Parliament, you can see why welfare is where it is, and is by far the Governments biggest bill. That's why for the average earning taxpayer in this country are typically paying 45-50% of what their economic activity earns in taxes and suffering as a consequence. >:( >:( >:(
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Agreed. Paying people who are fit to work more than they are worth in the job market is nonsensical.
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£26,000 is much too high imo.to take that home in earnings from a job you would need to be earning approx. £40,000 p.a. ffs !
I believe average earnings are around £26,000 before deductions. ::)
As for paying families in London £100,000 p.a. in benifits - its rather obscene. >:( >:(
If they cant afford to live there and keep their own kids,thay should move somewhere else and stop having kids.
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£26,000 is much too high imo.to take that home in earnings from a job you would need to be earning approx. £40,000 p.a. ffs !
I believe average earnings are around £26,000 before deductions. ::)
As for paying families in London £100,000 p.a. in benifits - its rather obscene. >:( >:(
If they cant afford to live there and keep their own kids,thay should move somewhere else and stop having kids.
Totally agree Albs........ >:( >:(
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My x needs to clear 32k to equal her benefits.
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>:( >:(where they get there £26000 from ive no ideaq i have been on benefits for 3 yrs now due to total nerve failure in all my body & ck5 kiddney failure i cant work due to these diseases though i want toim in a wheelchair with no feeling an where and on dyalisis 3 times aweek i get including rent & dla £9000 ayear so i would like to know how they do it
sorry for rant but sombody is fiddling somwhere
ozzycat >:( >:( >:(
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Approx 12yrs ago my next door neighbour got caught claiming as a single parent with 2 kids. it was 55k she claimed in all. during her case they told her to stop claiming or she faces prosecution. that was the end of it. she cancelled her claim. didn't have to pay a penny back. >:( >:(
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When you do your self assessment at the end of the tax yr. 1 of the questions is "Are you party to any tax avoidance schemes" i wonder how many people say yes.
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>:( >:(where they get there £26000 from ive no ideaq i have been on benefits for 3 yrs now due to total nerve failure in all my body & ck5 kiddney failure i cant work due to these diseases though i want toim in a wheelchair with no feeling an where and on dyalisis 3 times aweek i get including rent & dla £9000 ayear so i would like to know how they do it
sorry for rant but sombody is fiddling somwhere
ozzycat >:( >:( >:(
I think the higher figures will be for people who have (or claim to have) quite a few children. I read recently about an interpreter who quit her job because legal advisers on being told by claimants that they had two children were advising them to claim they had 6 children as it would make a huge diffeence to their benefits.She had to interpret this and wasnt allowed to blow the whistle as she was bound by client confidentiality.
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>:( >:(where they get there £26000 from ive no ideaq i have been on benefits for 3 yrs now due to total nerve failure in all my body & ck5 kiddney failure i cant work due to these diseases though i want toim in a wheelchair with no feeling an where and on dyalisis 3 times aweek i get including rent & dla £9000 ayear so i would like to know how they do it
sorry for rant but sombody is fiddling somwhere
ozzycat >:( >:( >:(
It's when kids come into it that the benefits seems to go through the roof. Also don't forget, these figures include the raft of other things people are automatically 'entitled' to when on certain benefots like free prescriptions, free school meals, free dental care, the list goes on, and the fact that they don't pay tax.
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I can't see any end to it though, the attitude of labour and lib dems is inconceivable, and the tories aren't a real tory party. No-one will dare chmake the drastic changes needed for fear of losing votes as the 'benefits' culture is so widespread. People who earn just shy of 30k get chid benefit for flip sake! Surely if you earn that much you don't need it, and it's your responsibility to pay for your offspring not the state.
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:y :y all true i just wish that i was healthy again so i could do my duty and provide for my wife and kids like im suposed to do
i dont like claiming the benefits i get but i have no chiose mabee one day they will find somthing to help me and i bcan go back to doing what i feel i should be doing that suporting my family instead of them caring for me
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Nothing wrong in recieving benefits when your genuinely ill mate. Its those ***** who are playing the system who I cant stand. :y
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I can't see any end to it though, the attitude of labour and lib dems is inconceivable, and the tories aren't a real tory party. No-one will dare chmake the drastic changes needed for fear of losing votes as the 'benefits' culture is so widespread. People who earn just shy of 30k get chid benefit for flip sake! Surely if you earn that much you don't need it, and it's your responsibility to pay for your offspring not the state.
Not living in UK. maybe I am out of touch, but I gotta say that 30k doesn't sound like a huge salary, especially in the South. Not that I am advocating giving tens of thousands out to one family each year, whilst the potential earner does sweet F.A.
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... and yes benefits should be capped, whether this loses votes or not.
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And one more thing cos this really pi**es me off. All the families claiming for many kids, pets and god knows what. Someone needs to tell them to take responsibility for their own lives. Their choice to have many kids, their choice to .... well, everything really. People (adults) just don't grasp that their life is their responsibility, nobody elses. They made their choices, now deal with it.
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I can't see any end to it though, the attitude of labour and lib dems is inconceivable, and the tories aren't a real tory party. No-one will dare chmake the drastic changes needed for fear of losing votes as the 'benefits' culture is so widespread. People who earn just shy of 30k get chid benefit for flip sake! Surely if you earn that much you don't need it, and it's your responsibility to pay for your offspring not the state.
Not living in UK. maybe I am out of touch, but I gotta say that 30k doesn't sound like a huge salary, especially in the South. Not that I am advocating giving tens of thousands out to one family each year, whilst the potential earner does sweet F.A.
Tell that to the many people on alot less.
£30,000 is way above the national average wage, and alot of people work very hard for very little thanks from anyone, and get alot less than that without complaint from them.
It's a bloody ridiculous state of affairs that an honest decent person can struggle on working full time paying taxes, not being entitled to other stuff such as free prescriptions etc, yet they're worse off than one of the many scroungers who play the system, and get the money without sacrificing the time.
One problem I'm aware of through dealing with many, many of the 'social underclass' who live their lives on benefits, is that they have a sense of entitlement and think society owes them a bloody living. The fact that the authorities bend over backwards to take money off the honest and tell the welfarers what they are 'entitled to' doesn't bloody help either.
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And one more thing cos this really pi**es me off. All the families claiming for many kids, pets and god knows what. Someone needs to tell them to take responsibility for their own lives. Their choice to have many kids, their choice to .... well, everything really. People (adults) just don't grasp that their life is their responsibility, nobody elses. They made their choices, now deal with it.
This is a result of years of socialist government.Its their standard method of operating to have people believe its the governments responsibilty to provide for them, rather than their own responsibility. ;)
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I can't see any end to it though, the attitude of labour and lib dems is inconceivable, and the tories aren't a real tory party. No-one will dare chmake the drastic changes needed for fear of losing votes as the 'benefits' culture is so widespread. People who earn just shy of 30k get chid benefit for flip sake! Surely if you earn that much you don't need it, and it's your responsibility to pay for your offspring not the state.
Not living in UK. maybe I am out of touch, but I gotta say that 30k doesn't sound like a huge salary, especially in the South. Not that I am advocating giving tens of thousands out to one family each year, whilst the potential earner does sweet F.A.
Tell that to the many people on alot less.
£30,000 is way above the national average wage, and alot of people work very hard for very little thanks from anyone, and get alot less than that without complaint from them.
It's a bloody ridiculous state of affairs that an honest decent person can struggle on working full time paying taxes, not being entitled to other stuff such as free prescriptions etc, yet they're worse off than one of the many scroungers who play the system, and get the money without sacrificing the time.
One problem I'm aware of through dealing with many, many of the 'social underclass' who live their lives on benefits, is that they have a sense of entitlement and think society owes them a bloody living. The fact that the authorities bend over backwards to take money off the honest and tell the welfarers what they are 'entitled to' doesn't bloody help either.
One problem I'm aware of through dealing with many, many of the 'social underclass' who live their lives on benefits, is that they have a sense of entitlement and think society owes them a bloody living.
Yes, I came to that conclusion during my first week as a probationer constable 35 (odd) years ago and, sadly, that sense of entitlement seems to have even greater resonance today thanks to a fundamental disconnect between those at Westminster and any form of practical reality.
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The Government is currently passing a new bill on welfare through Parliament at the moment, part of this is to limit all welfare payments to a maximum of £26,000pa. :y
Ian Duncan-Smith admins there are a number of benefit claimants with large families, especially in London, who get more than £100,000pa. He say the new measures will be liberating for them as they can now get an average wage job, without a big decrease in benefits, which is trapping them from doing this.
This I think is a reasonable comment and it shows how far our benefits system is devoid from the realities of the average hard working family. >:( >:( >:( >:(
But then you get that left wing Limpdem tw*t Simon Hughes, who's comment "We cannot allow families to be unjustifiably and retrospectively penalised and left with not enough money to stay in their homes and be literally forced onto the street".
So it's alright then that families that have been pushed over the financial edge, due to NIC, VAT and council tax rises and had their houses repossessed and are out on the street, as long as they should continue to be good tax payers and fund the £100,000+ benefit claimants. >:( >:( >:( >:(
With tw*ts like him and all the other do gooders in Parliament, you can see why welfare is where it is, and is by far the Governments biggest bill. That's why for the average earning taxpayer in this country are typically paying 45-50% of what their economic activity earns in taxes and suffering as a consequence. >:( >:( >:(
I cannot disagree with this as, up to the moment at least, many in government and associated agencies seem to have accepted this as being the only (easier) way to address the (now increasing) problem of people choosing how to live, without necessarily accepting the consequences of their actions, while believing society will provide for them whatever the cost.
I’m not particularly party political but I’ve found that, more than most, any group professing themselves to be of liberal or democratic orientation are about as much use as the full of an arse of roasted snow.
The political system and the standards held by many of its incumbents in this country simply beggars belief.
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I, for one, would love to have an average wage of 26k+ a year. I'm barely getting by on £8320 a year! The most I've been lucky to earn was 21k :(
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I, for one, would love to have an average wage of 26k+ a year. I'm barely getting by on £8320 a year! The most I've been lucky to earn was 21k :(
Exactly, and as I think Albs has said, you'd have to be earning £40K to take that much home. No wonder you get people content to sit on their arses and rake in the money >:(
Can't see anyone being 'brave' enough to risk votes though
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I, for one, would love to have an average wage of 26k+ a year. I'm barely getting by on £8320 a year! The most I've been lucky to earn was 21k :(
Exactly, and as I think Albs has said, you'd have to be earning £40K to take that much home. No wonder you get people content to sit on their arses and rake in the money >:(
Can't see anyone being 'brave' enough to risk votes though
I would be, but then again I wouldn't be in power as it's only a certain sort of person that ends up in power, an arrogant prk who says 'do as i say not as i do'. And they wouldn't vote in anyone who rocked the boat or who had different ideas, preferring just to be safe.
Britain's lost its way, we could do with a 'return to old values' type approach. I'm all for a bit of cleansing, we need to find a new Australia and pack a few (million) people off there. :)
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I, for one, would love to have an average wage of 26k+ a year. I'm barely getting by on £8320 a year! The most I've been lucky to earn was 21k :(
Exactly, and as I think Albs has said, you'd have to be earning £40K to take that much home. No wonder you get people content to sit on their arses and rake in the money >:(
Can't see anyone being 'brave' enough to risk votes though
I would be, but then again I wouldn't be in power as it's only a certain sort of person that ends up in power, an arrogant prk who says 'do as i say not as i do'. And they wouldn't vote in anyone who rocked the boat or who had different ideas, preferring just to be safe.
Britain's lost its way, we could do with a 'return to old values' type approach. I'm all for a bit of cleansing, we need to find a new Australia and pack a few (million) people off there. :)
Antarctica's free :)
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I, for one, would love to have an average wage of 26k+ a year. I'm barely getting by on £8320 a year! The most I've been lucky to earn was 21k :(
Exactly, and as I think Albs has said, you'd have to be earning £40K to take that much home. No wonder you get people content to sit on their arses and rake in the money >:(
Can't see anyone being 'brave' enough to risk votes though
I would be, but then again I wouldn't be in power as it's only a certain sort of person that ends up in power, an arrogant prk who says 'do as i say not as i do'. And they wouldn't vote in anyone who rocked the boat or who had different ideas, preferring just to be safe.
Britain's lost its way, we could do with a 'return to old values' type approach. I'm all for a bit of cleansing, we need to find a new Australia and pack a few (million) people off there. :)
Antarctica's free :)
Good idea! Then they'd have to work to stay warm or die! And the weaker ones would be picked off by polar bears. it'd be a win win situation!
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;) so i would be sacrificed trough no fault of my own
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;) so i would be sacrificed trough no fault of my own
You and me both, but I understand the point..... :y I am lucky in so much as I am able to continue working, at the moment.... :y
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I'm not surprised that people manage to claim huge amounts. When I was off sick my entitlement to SSP ran out and I was advised to claim the contributions based element of Employment and Support Allowance. When ringing up to claim this they kept trying to get me to claim for other things, which I kept telling them I was neither entitled to or wanted to claim >:(
I haven't had a wage since August, not had ESA since the end of September when my employment ended. I don't want or intend to try claiming anything as I have set up my business and it is on the verge of delivering me a wage :y
Unfortunately, as has already been stated, too many people are of the "Me, me, me" netality and think that the world owes them a living >:( >:( >:(