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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: D on 28 January 2012, 19:39:21
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that this picture would be a good way of demonstrating the handling capabilities on an Omega.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vauxhall-Omega-Elite-Press-Photo-1999-/120707458559?pt=UK_Car_Parts_Vehicles_Automobila_ET&hash=item1c1ab9a5ff#ht_500wt_1054 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vauxhall-Omega-Elite-Press-Photo-1999-/120707458559?pt=UK_Car_Parts_Vehicles_Automobila_ET&hash=item1c1ab9a5ff#ht_500wt_1054)
Look at that body roll :o
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Even with standard suspension - well, maybe not Elite suspension ;D - it can handle very well. Being RWD, it simply doesn't need to be as back jarring as FWD shitboxes. You get a better compromise with high comfort and capable handling.
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On standard Elite suspension it is actually quite capable, you just have to throw it into corners twice... Once for the body and then for the chassis ;D ;D
That said, I now realise how soggy it is as I rarely drive it (the saloon it replaced was very soggy, that replaced a Range Rover which :-X :-X) so it needs replacing ::)
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how sad am i...that car is a 3.0 and still on the road ;D
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Thats what Omegas do - lots of body roll. Hes pressing on though.The inside front wheel is almost off the deck. ;)
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At least Omegas dont go through Antiroll bars like my Skudo does.....a new one required every 40k or so.....well its actually the bushes that wear.....but you have to buy the rollbar to get the bushes.....maybe its way i drive it ::)
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Mines getting pretty soggy! If there was a photo of me taking a corner like that, it'd look more like a 2CV... ::) Gonna have to start perusing the bushes guides before MOT time.... :(
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On standard Elite suspension it is actually quite capable, you just have to throw it into corners twice... Once for the body and then for the chassis ;D ;D
That said, I now realise how soggy it is as I rarely drive it (the saloon it replaced was very soggy, that replaced a Range Rover which :-X :-X) so it needs replacing ::)
;D ;D ;D ;D
and what a picture to put on the front though :y :y :y
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You know what, I was going to post that exact picture, if i could have found it again, in one of the guides as to why firmer suspension is required if you like to crack on. Especially in relation to the angle of the inside wheels in realtion to the road. The inside edge is being scrubbed all the way round that corner.
Elite suspension has its place for comfort, but if your average corner speed is high enough to roll the chassis it WILL induce "clown car" handling as the tyre profile rounds off. A flat square profile is needed to keep a car straight IME.
(now add in Falken tyres which are devoid of any straight line stability from new, and we start to see how very badly an Elite omega can handle)
So yes that's not the best pic to advertise your car with, it may "look" fast, but only because of the angle of the chassis. Pmsl ;D
Well done D. Good spot. :y
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You know what, I was going to post that exact picture, if i could have found it again, in one of the guides as to why firmer suspension is required if you like to crack on. Especially in relation to the angle of the inside wheels in realtion to the road. The inside edge is being scrubbed all the way round that corner.
Elite suspension has its place for comfort, but if your average corner speed is high enough to roll the chassis it WILL induce "clown car" handling as the tyre profile rounds off. A flat square profile is needed to keep a car straight IME.
(now add in Falken tyres which are devoid of any straight line stability from new, and we start to see how very badly an Elite omega can handle)
So yes that's not the best pic to advertise your car with, it may "look" fast, but only because of the angle of the chassis. Pmsl ;D
Well done D. Good spot. :y
Don't get me started on Falken tyres! Suspension becomes irrelevant with them on the car! :(
Oh and our cars are permanently at that angle with Jimbob in the passenger seat! ::) ::)
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You know what, I was going to post that exact picture, if i could have found it again, in one of the guides as to why firmer suspension is required if you like to crack on. Especially in relation to the angle of the inside wheels in realtion to the road. The inside edge is being scrubbed all the way round that corner.
Elite suspension has its place for comfort, but if your average corner speed is high enough to roll the chassis it WILL induce "clown car" handling as the tyre profile rounds off. A flat square profile is needed to keep a car straight IME.
(now add in Falken tyres which are devoid of any straight line stability from new, and we start to see how very badly an Elite omega can handle)
So yes that's not the best pic to advertise your car with, it may "look" fast, but only because of the angle of the chassis. Pmsl ;D
Well done D. Good spot. :y
Don't get me started on Falken tyres! Suspension becomes irrelevant with them on the car! :(
Oh and our cars are permanently at that angle with Jimbob in the passenger seat! ::) ::)
ooooooooooh ;D
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You know what, I was going to post that exact picture, if i could have found it again, in one of the guides as to why firmer suspension is required if you like to crack on. Especially in relation to the angle of the inside wheels in realtion to the road. The inside edge is being scrubbed all the way round that corner.
Elite suspension has its place for comfort, but if your average corner speed is high enough to roll the chassis it WILL induce "clown car" handling as the tyre profile rounds off. A flat square profile is needed to keep a car straight IME.
(now add in Falken tyres which are devoid of any straight line stability from new, and we start to see how very badly an Elite omega can handle)
So yes that's not the best pic to advertise your car with, it may "look" fast, but only because of the angle of the chassis. Pmsl ;D
Well done D. Good spot. :y
Don't get me started on Falken tyres! Suspension becomes irrelevant with them on the car! :(
Oh and our cars are permanently at that angle with Jimbob in the passenger seat! ::) ::)
I think that merits a ban ::) ;D ;D
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You know what, I was going to post that exact picture, if i could have found it again, in one of the guides as to why firmer suspension is required if you like to crack on. Especially in relation to the angle of the inside wheels in realtion to the road. The inside edge is being scrubbed all the way round that corner.
Elite suspension has its place for comfort, but if your average corner speed is high enough to roll the chassis it WILL induce "clown car" handling as the tyre profile rounds off. A flat square profile is needed to keep a car straight IME.
(now add in Falken tyres which are devoid of any straight line stability from new, and we start to see how very badly an Elite omega can handle)
So yes that's not the best pic to advertise your car with, it may "look" fast, but only because of the angle of the chassis. Pmsl ;D
Well done D. Good spot. :y
Don't get me started on Falken tyres! Suspension becomes irrelevant with them on the car! :(
Oh and our cars are permanently at that angle with Jimbob in the passenger seat! ::) ::)
I think that merits a ban ::) ;D ;D
Good idea...Banned until she makes it up to me :¬)
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Funny how nobody mentioned the most important part before criticising which is just how fast was it going? Just because a car rolls a lot doesn't mean it handles badly. Jags roll a fair bit when pressing on, but need a hell of a lot of speed before it becomes a problem. A hard driven Discovery or Range Rover is hysterical to watch, but within it's performance still has the wheels under control. My Elite doesn't turn in as well as the 525 I used to have, but I wouldn't say it handles worse.
And lets not forget the Omega is simply a big comfortable saloon, not a Lotus.
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You know what, I was going to post that exact picture, if i could have found it again, in one of the guides as to why firmer suspension is required if you like to crack on. Especially in relation to the angle of the inside wheels in realtion to the road. The inside edge is being scrubbed all the way round that corner.
Elite suspension has its place for comfort, but if your average corner speed is high enough to roll the chassis it WILL induce "clown car" handling as the tyre profile rounds off. A flat square profile is needed to keep a car straight IME.
(now add in Falken tyres which are devoid of any straight line stability from new, and we start to see how very badly an Elite omega can handle)
So yes that's not the best pic to advertise your car with, it may "look" fast, but only because of the angle of the chassis. Pmsl ;D
Well done D. Good spot. :y
Don't get me started on Falken tyres! Suspension becomes irrelevant with them on the car! :(
Oh and our cars are permanently at that angle with Jimbob in the passenger seat! ::) ::)
I think that merits a ban ::) ;D ;D
Good idea...Banned until she makes it up to me :¬)
Crushed! ::)
Ban over....yay! ;D
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You know what, I was going to post that exact picture, if i could have found it again, in one of the guides as to why firmer suspension is required if you like to crack on. Especially in relation to the angle of the inside wheels in realtion to the road. The inside edge is being scrubbed all the way round that corner.
Elite suspension has its place for comfort, but if your average corner speed is high enough to roll the chassis it WILL induce "clown car" handling as the tyre profile rounds off. A flat square profile is needed to keep a car straight IME.
(now add in Falken tyres which are devoid of any straight line stability from new, and we start to see how very badly an Elite omega can handle)
So yes that's not the best pic to advertise your car with, it may "look" fast, but only because of the angle of the chassis. Pmsl ;D
Well done D. Good spot. :y
Don't get me started on Falken tyres! Suspension becomes irrelevant with them on the car! :(
Oh and our cars are permanently at that angle with Jimbob in the passenger seat! ::) ::)
I think that merits a ban ::) ;D ;D
Good idea...Banned until she makes it up to me :¬)
Crushed! ::)
Ban over....yay! ;D
I wont ask what you did to get free :-X
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You know what, I was going to post that exact picture, if i could have found it again, in one of the guides as to why firmer suspension is required if you like to crack on. Especially in relation to the angle of the inside wheels in realtion to the road. The inside edge is being scrubbed all the way round that corner.
Elite suspension has its place for comfort, but if your average corner speed is high enough to roll the chassis it WILL induce "clown car" handling as the tyre profile rounds off. A flat square profile is needed to keep a car straight IME.
(now add in Falken tyres which are devoid of any straight line stability from new, and we start to see how very badly an Elite omega can handle)
So yes that's not the best pic to advertise your car with, it may "look" fast, but only because of the angle of the chassis. Pmsl ;D
Well done D. Good spot. :y
Don't get me started on Falken tyres! Suspension becomes irrelevant with them on the car! :(
Oh and our cars are permanently at that angle with Jimbob in the passenger seat! ::) ::)
Ah yes, I forgot Big Blue had Falken FK452's fitted when you bought it. I would never have had them fitted by choice but when the fronts needed replacing, my mate offered them to me at £35 each fitted and being a tad skint at the time had to swallow a bit of pride. :-[
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I think my previous omega had bilsteins on, that handled really nicely for a large car, my 2.2 is getting a little bouncy lol and leans a nice bit, but even pushing hard through bends it stays pretty sure footed.
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You know what, I was going to post that exact picture, if i could have found it again, in one of the guides as to why firmer suspension is required if you like to crack on. Especially in relation to the angle of the inside wheels in realtion to the road. The inside edge is being scrubbed all the way round that corner.
Elite suspension has its place for comfort, but if your average corner speed is high enough to roll the chassis it WILL induce "clown car" handling as the tyre profile rounds off. A flat square profile is needed to keep a car straight IME.
(now add in Falken tyres which are devoid of any straight line stability from new, and we start to see how very badly an Elite omega can handle)
So yes that's not the best pic to advertise your car with, it may "look" fast, but only because of the angle of the chassis. Pmsl ;D
Well done D. Good spot. :y
Don't get me started on Falken tyres! Suspension becomes irrelevant with them on the car! :(
Oh and our cars are permanently at that angle with Jimbob in the passenger seat! ::) ::)
Ah yes, I forgot Big Blue had Falken FK452's fitted when you bought it. I would never have had them fitted by choice but when the fronts needed replacing, my mate offered them to me at £35 each fitted and being a tad skint at the time had to swallow a bit of pride. :-[
They may suit a more reserved driving style but not mine. ::) As needs must when the devil drives, they'll be staying till they are worn out. We've all been there Bob, wasn't a dig at all. :y
Cue the comments.....they are perfectly fine if you drive on them appropriately.... :P :P ;D
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You know what, I was going to post that exact picture, if i could have found it again, in one of the guides as to why firmer suspension is required if you like to crack on. Especially in relation to the angle of the inside wheels in realtion to the road. The inside edge is being scrubbed all the way round that corner.
Elite suspension has its place for comfort, but if your average corner speed is high enough to roll the chassis it WILL induce "clown car" handling as the tyre profile rounds off. A flat square profile is needed to keep a car straight IME.
(now add in Falken tyres which are devoid of any straight line stability from new, and we start to see how very badly an Elite omega can handle)
So yes that's not the best pic to advertise your car with, it may "look" fast, but only because of the angle of the chassis. Pmsl ;D
Well done D. Good spot. :y
Don't get me started on Falken tyres! Suspension becomes irrelevant with them on the car! :(
Oh and our cars are permanently at that angle with Jimbob in the passenger seat! ::) ::)
I think that merits a ban ::) ;D ;D
Good idea...Banned until she makes it up to me :¬)
Crushed! ::)
Ban over....yay! ;D
I wont ask what you did to get free :-X
Well, now wouldn't that be a tale!! ;) ;) ;D
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No complaints with Falkens on the 2.2, 452's on front 917's on the front. Slightly disappointing wear rate of just 30k miles, but other than that, faultless. Father T's got them as well, all good there.
That is on 16" alloys though, not 17"'s always wondered of the size made a difference :-\
I did find their limits though, fine for the 2.2, but I would not consider them for the 3.2 :)
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No complaints with Falkens on the 2.2, 452's on front 917's on the front. Slightly disappointing wear rate of just 30k miles, but other than that, faultless. Father T's got them as well, all good there.
That is on 16" alloys though, not 17"'s always wondered of the size made a difference :-\
I did find their limits though, fine for the 2.2, but I would not consider them for the 3.2 :)
And there in lies my issue! Can't remember what's on the back but I'm on very good terms with my traction control. I also suspect it's a result of going from manual to auto and the resulting heavy footedness as no clutch consideration! ::) ::)
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You know what, I was going to post that exact picture, if i could have found it again, in one of the guides as to why firmer suspension is required if you like to crack on. Especially in relation to the angle of the inside wheels in realtion to the road. The inside edge is being scrubbed all the way round that corner.
Elite suspension has its place for comfort, but if your average corner speed is high enough to roll the chassis it WILL induce "clown car" handling as the tyre profile rounds off. A flat square profile is needed to keep a car straight IME.
(now add in Falken tyres which are devoid of any straight line stability from new, and we start to see how very badly an Elite omega can handle)
So yes that's not the best pic to advertise your car with, it may "look" fast, but only because of the angle of the chassis. Pmsl ;D
Well done D. Good spot. :y
Don't get me started on Falken tyres! Suspension becomes irrelevant with them on the car! :(
Oh and our cars are permanently at that angle with Jimbob in the passenger seat! ::) ::)
Ah yes, I forgot Big Blue had Falken FK452's fitted when you bought it. I would never have had them fitted by choice but when the fronts needed replacing, my mate offered them to me at £35 each fitted and being a tad skint at the time had to swallow a bit of pride. :-[
They may suit a more reserved driving style but not mine. ::) As needs must when the devil drives, they'll be staying till they are worn out. We've all been there Bob, wasn't a dig at all. :y
Cue the comments.....they are perfectly fine if you drive on them appropriately.... :P :P ;D
Far from it Laura......I actually found them better with a "spirited" drive than plodding around gently! Driving reservedly gave them more good cause to tramline IMO. ;)