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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: EDZ649 on 04 February 2012, 16:37:37
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Hi guys,
I've just joined this great forum and would be grateful for a little advice please.
I recently bought a CDX 2.2dti estate and the first thing I have noticed is it's extremely difficult to start from cold. It cranks for about twenty seconds or so before if fires up and when it does there is quite a lot of white/grey smoke coming from what looks like a mini exhaust pipe mounted just in front of the offside from wheel, under the front bumper. I have been told that there is a common fault on the 2.2 diesel with injector seals leaking and also that glow plugs can cause these symptoms. Once it has started the first time is starts fine until the engine goes stone cold again. Anyone have any experience with this issue?
The passenger heated seat doesnt work, neither does the height adjustment. When you switch the heated seat on the dash light comes on ok but nothing happens. When the height adjuster switch is pressed you can hear/feel the motor 'thump' but it appears to be stuck. Any ideas?
Thanks in advance,
Leigh.
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How many times to you heat the plugs before starting? When it's very cold they need two or three warms before they go.
The exhaust is normal. I asked the same question four years ago when I purchased mine ;D
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Hi Pete,
thanks for the reply. I have only heated them once to be honest. Never heard of heating them several time before. I have three other diesel vehicles (vans) and they go first time.
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Hi guys,
I've just joined this great forum and would be grateful for a little advice please.
I recently bought a CDX 2.2dti estate and the first thing I have noticed is it's extremely difficult to start from cold. It cranks for about twenty seconds or so before if fires up and when it does there is quite a lot of white/grey smoke coming from what looks like a mini exhaust pipe mounted just in front of the offside from wheel, under the front bumper. I have been told that there is a common fault on the 2.2 diesel with injector seals leaking and also that glow plugs can cause these symptoms. Once it has started the first time is starts fine until the engine goes stone cold again. Anyone have any experience with this issue?
The passenger heated seat doesnt work, neither does the height adjustment. When you switch the heated seat on the dash light comes on ok but nothing happens. When the height adjuster switch is pressed you can hear/feel the motor 'thump' but it appears to be stuck. Any ideas?
Thanks in advance,
Leigh.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90530.0
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^ Nice one Rob, will give that a go tomorrow if it doesn't snow down here! ;)
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Hi re the seat have a look under the rear of the front seat and you will see the threaded bar that lifts/lowers the seat, on the end of the bar is a plasic cover remove this cover and insert a small socket over the nut that is inside the sleeve and turn the nut this will raise and lower the seat and if the motor is jammed for some reason this may free it off (it worked with mine)
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I bet when this car was new it did not take two a three warms before starting up.
Possible heater plugs compressions Lift pump in the tank pump filter blockage
Is the idle speed ok
How many miles on the clock?
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I bet when this car was new it did not take two a three warms before starting up.
Possible heater plugs compressions Lift pump in the tank pump filter blockage
Is the idle speed ok
How many miles on the clock?
Don't think there is a lift pump on the 2.2dti. I have had 2 2.2dti now and cold starting was never the best but put some new glow plugs in and also look at the black plastic fuel spill return pipes as they are known to leak air back to the take when old (new pipe kit about £16 from dealer) also check seal on fuel filter cap.
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I bet when this car was new it did not take two a three warms before starting up.
Possible heater plugs compressions Lift pump in the tank pump filter blockage
Is the idle speed ok
How many miles on the clock?
Idle speed seems fine @ 750rpm. 100k on the clock.
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How many times to you heat the plugs before starting? When it's very cold they need two or three warms before they go.
The exhaust is normal. I asked the same question four years ago when I purchased mine ;D
Well I tried heating the plugs three times this morning and she started much easier, still not as easy as I feel it should be but a great improvement :y. Should I be looking to replace the plugs now?
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Yes and get decent ones.
As for the smoke from the front wheel arch, the setup has a diesel heater on it to warm the coolant up faster, its this that your seeing.
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Yes and get decent ones.
As for the smoke from the front wheel arch, the setup has a diesel heater on it to warm the coolant up faster, its this that your seeing.
Thanks for the reply. What make should I get, NGK, Beru etc?
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Yes and get decent ones.
As for the smoke from the front wheel arch, the setup has a diesel heater on it to warm the coolant up faster, its this that your seeing.
Thanks for the reply. What make should I get, NGK, Beru etc?
Either of those will do the job nicely :y
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Yes and get decent ones.
As for the smoke from the front wheel arch, the setup has a diesel heater on it to warm the coolant up faster, its this that your seeing.
Thanks for the reply. What make should I get, NGK, Beru etc?
Either of those will do the job nicely :y
Great, thanks.
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Update:
I bought some new plugs from Vauxhall, turned out to be Beru ones anyway. I haven't had them fitted yet as I seem to remember reading on one of the threads that there can be an issue with leak off pipes giving the same syptoms?
The car is parked on a hill outside my house, facing downwards so I tried parking facing upwards last night and it started straight away this morning. Is this just coincindental or is it the pipes causing the problem? I spoke to a local garage who do work for me now and again and they said that the leak off pipes wouldn't cause poor starting.
Any thoughts before I have the plugs changed?
Thanks.
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Update:
I bought some new plugs from Vauxhall, turned out to be Beru ones anyway. I haven't had them fitted yet as I seem to remember reading on one of the threads that there can be an issue with leak off pipes giving the same syptoms?
The car is parked on a hill outside my house, facing downwards so I tried parking facing upwards last night and it started straight away this morning. Is this just coincindental or is it the pipes causing the problem? I spoke to a local garage who do work for me now and again and they said that the leak off pipes wouldn't cause poor starting.
Any thoughts before I have the plugs changed?
Thanks.
Are they familiar with Diesel engines? If the leak off pipes are leaking then they will let air into the system ::)
If they are leaking they can (and normally will) cause poor starting but in your case, the fact that with multiple pre-heats it started more easily, it sounds like the problem is more glow plugs ;)
I'd change the leak off pipes anyway as the cost is fairly small and they are prone to going ;)
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^ makes sense, thanks for the reply. They are familiar with diesels, mainly Volvo's but I'm guessing they would be a similar set up.
Cheers.
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Sounds like glow plugs to me too. If you parked the car facing up hill last night and it was fine I'd say that is not the leak off pipes. If they're leaking air will get into the system because the fuel will want to run back to the tank with it facing up hill. Get the plugs in and go from there. If you're changing them yourself give them a GOOD soak in Plus Gas or WD40 first for a couple of hours. Not good if they snap!
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Sounds like glow plugs to me too. If you parked the car facing up hill last night and it was fine I'd say that is not the leak off pipes. If they're leaking air will get into the system because the fuel will want to run back to the tank with it facing up hill. Get the plugs in and go from there. If you're changing them yourself give them a GOOD soak in Plus Gas or WD40 first for a couple of hours. Not good if they snap!
Yep... But if you're in there doing the glow plugs, may as well change the leak off pipes too for the sake of £20 and 5 minutes more work ;) ;)
My old Astra van used to eat leak off pipes for some strange reason, although there was something not quite right with that motor all along, and the second sign they were leaking again was poor starting ;) First sign was the smell of diesel in the engine bay :D :D
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Sounds like glow plugs to me too. If you parked the car facing up hill last night and it was fine I'd say that is not the leak off pipes. If they're leaking air will get into the system because the fuel will want to run back to the tank with it facing up hill. Get the plugs in and go from there. If you're changing them yourself give them a GOOD soak in Plus Gas or WD40 first for a couple of hours. Not good if they snap!
Yep... But if you're in there doing the glow plugs, may as well change the leak off pipes too for the sake of £20 and 5 minutes more work ;) ;)
My old Astra van used to eat leak off pipes for some strange reason, although there was something not quite right with that motor all along, and the second sign they were leaking again was poor starting ;) First sign was the smell of diesel in the engine bay :D :D
Haven't notice any smell of diesel, although I haven't had the bonnet open lately. Will check this out over the weekend. Thanks guys, much appreciated :)
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If there's a leak in the fuel system parking it facing uphill will allow the fuel to flow back to the tank making it harder to start, its normally parking it facing downhill that helps
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Well it must have been a coincindence, tried starting it this morning and it was a real pig so looks like the plugs will get fitted after all. I did however manage to free off the pasenger seat height adjuster so all good there now thanks to the link above. :)
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Well the slightly milder weather has proven to be a god send, the car starts much easier so confirmation that the glow plugs are cream crackered I think.
On a different note, does anyone have a beige glove box catch please? I don't need to lock it so no key required, it would be nice to be able to open it without scaping the skin of my finger! PM me if you have, thanks.
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Well the slightly milder weather has proven to be a god send, the car starts much easier so confirmation that the glow plugs are cream crackered I think.
On a different note, does anyone have a beige glove box catch please? I don't need to lock it so no key required, it would be nice to be able to open it without scaping the skin of my finger! PM me if you have, thanks.
They are only about £7 from the dealers ;)
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Well the slightly milder weather has proven to be a god send, the car starts much easier so confirmation that the glow plugs are cream crackered I think.
On a different note, does anyone have a beige glove box catch please? I don't need to lock it so no key required, it would be nice to be able to open it without scaping the skin of my finger! PM me if you have, thanks.
They are only about £7 from the dealers ;)
Yes but they don't come with the lock cylinder, that is seperate and a another £15 or so on top.
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Well the slightly milder weather has proven to be a god send, the car starts much easier so confirmation that the glow plugs are cream crackered I think.
On a different note, does anyone have a beige glove box catch please? I don't need to lock it so no key required, it would be nice to be able to open it without scaping the skin of my finger! PM me if you have, thanks.
They are only about £7 from the dealers ;)
Yes but they don't come with the lock cylinder, that is seperate and a another £15 or so on top.
Can't you swap yours into it?
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I would if I had one, the whole catch is completely missing.
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I would if I had one, the whole catch is completely missing.
Ahh... That makes sense ::) :D
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Let us know if the glow plugs cure your starting problems. I have a 2.2 dti cdx saloon 51 plate. and had much the same issues as you describe..Would not start after being parked all night facing uphill. I renewed the leak off pipes, but it only improved things a little. I think I still have a problem with fuel running back to the tank, but its not as bad as it was. I think the previous owner must have had trouble as well, because there is one of those squeezy bulbs with a one way valve in it under the bonnet, and when I have trouble starting I use it to get the fuel through.
Also the little heater under the front o/s wing was leaking coolant, so I removed it and took it to bits to see what the trouble was, turned out it was rotten inside, so I binned it. And blocked the fuel pipe that feeds it. and joined the coolant pipes together.