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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: henryd on 10 February 2012, 15:31:03
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I've been offered a discovery 2, 4.0 v8 manual ES model with air suspension for circa £1000,it has a knackered clutch but is otherwise in excellent nick,anyone with knowledge of these as my Landy knowledge is low :-\
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Rust is the biggest killer, esp if its been properly used.
Pink Loo-knee is probably your man, though, for advice.
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Rust is the biggest killer, esp if its been properly used.
Pink Loo-knee is probably your man, though, for advice.
No rot present,mot'd october with no advisorys :y
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Also, I know the air suspension on Rangies can be expensive to fix, guess similar setup on Disco.
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Also, I know the air suspension on Rangies can be expensive to fix, guess similar setup on Disco.
I know it knackers fitting torpedo lpg tanks to each chassis rail due the air workings but other than that not had much dealings with them
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Keep your eye on the water level as leaky liners are a problem, & if the air suspension goes, just fit coils! Otherwise Disco 2's are better for bodywork. :y
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Keep your eye on the water level as leaky liners are a problem, & if the air suspension goes, just fit coils! Otherwise Disco 2's are better for bodywork. :y
I've seen the liner issues on a 4.6 Rangie but this one aint been touched and coolant is on the mark and the right colour :y
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Whats a ballpark fuel consumption for a manual on petrol ?(gas conversion is on to do list if I buy it)
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This is just my opinion of course.
I have done several head gaskets on 4.6 Range Rovers, as yet not one 4.0.
I also would not change the suspension over to coil springs. When the airbags start to leak, people for some reason leave them leaking. This then makes your compressor work all the time, this then becomes an expensive job unless of course you have or know where to get secondhand parts ;)
I think the airbags are a doddle to fit (although making a tool to remove the back ones pays dividends) and cost about £70 each brand new.
Your right about the gas tanks, so would to put them elsewhere. Saw a good one with a half sized fuel tank so an lpg tank filled the other half, also tanks in between the boot panels and rear quarter if that makes sense so the boot space and 7th seats were not effected.
As for miles per gallon, if you get 20 on a run I think your doing well, about 16 knocking about. But if you tow a caravan you will still get 20 on a run like we did.
Disco's you will have to do the small springs in the locks at sometime, as when you pull the outer handle to open the door the inner pully knob drops down... So dont leave it running and close the door like I did ;D. They cost about £5 to buy and a day full of moaning and swearing to fit them.
I personally like the v8, prefer the Range Rover myself but Mrs. Loo-knee loves her Disco. Take it off roading though mate, its a must. They get where you would not believe, would not wade to deep with a v8 mind ::) enough for water to come though the door rubber though ;D
I am sure you will be happy with your £1000 buy :y
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This is just my opinion of course.
I have done several head gaskets on 4.6 Range Rovers, as yet not one 4.0.
I also would not change the suspension over to coil springs. When the airbags start to leak, people for some reason leave them leaking. This then makes your compressor work all the time, this then becomes an expensive job unless of course you have or know where to get secondhand parts ;)
I think the airbags are a doddle to fit (although making a tool to remove the back ones pays dividends) and cost about £70 each brand new.
Your right about the gas tanks, so would to put them elsewhere. Saw a good one with a half sized fuel tank so an lpg tank filled the other half, also tanks in between the boot panels and rear quarter if that makes sense so the boot space and 7th seats were not effected.
As for miles per gallon, if you get 20 on a run I think your doing well, about 16 knocking about. But if you tow a caravan you will still get 20 on a run like we did.
Disco's you will have to do the small springs in the locks at sometime, as when you pull the outer handle to open the door the inner pully knob drops down... So dont leave it running and close the door like I did ;D. They cost about £5 to buy and a day full of moaning and swearing to fit them.
I personally like the v8, prefer the Range Rover myself but Mrs. Loo-knee loves her Disco. Take it off roading though mate, its a must. They get where you would not believe, would not wade to deep with a v8 mind ::) enough for water to come though the door rubber though ;D
I am sure you will be happy with your £1000 buy :y
Thanks Daz,regarding lpg I've seen the fuel tank removed and a largeish tank fitted in its place with an auxillary petrol tank mounted in the rear inner wing that holds about 8 gals of petrol so would probably go that route as not wanting too lose load space or seating capacity.
Its my lady wife that wants this beast,(she misses our old grand cherokee but not the shite diesel it had in it lol)so I got to get her to drive one before I take the plunge.
Do you reckon thats about the right money for a tidy non runner?
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Keep your eye on the water level as leaky liners are a problem, & if the air suspension goes, just fit coils! Otherwise Disco 2's are better for bodywork. :y
Interestingly, there more of an issue on the 4.6 (which is odd as they are the same block).
More important is the cam, follower and timing chain wear plus the head gaskets are slightly more prone to failure (being composite).
They drink like George Best on a bender!
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Prices are all over the place.. But you will pay extra for a good conditioned one.
If the only problem is the clutch would I pay £1000? Probably if that was the only thing wrong plus it did not have starship miles.
Mrs. Loo-knee feels safe in it, plus being so high you do get to see further up the road. If your Mrs enjoyed a Jeep, I reckon she will fall in love with the Landie :y
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Prices are all over the place.. But you will pay extra for a good conditioned one.
If the only problem is the clutch would I pay £1000? Probably if that was the only thing wrong plus it did not have starship miles.
Mrs. Loo-knee feels safe in it, plus being so high you do get to see further up the road. If your Mrs enjoyed a Jeep, I reckon she will fall in love with the Landie :y
Its only done 80 k and is very clean inside and out which is what drew me too it in the first place,still in negotiation at the mo,I've offered him £800 and he wants a grand so we aren't far apart :y
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thing is never buy a 4x4 in bad weather/snow...it drives the prices up :y
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thing is never buy a 4x4 in bad weather/snow...it drives the prices up :y
Lol no snow here, we've only had about three frosty mornings for the winter so far.
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Well, that's it then, seems I'm now the proud owner of a disco.lets hope the clutch is the reason there's no drive ???
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Had one of these for many years, had very little trouble with it, we towed the caravan all over France with it, when towing it would give about 17 mpg even if driven hard down the auto route, around town it was a bit heavy 14mpg, but a great vehicle.
I wish i had never parted with it, still see it about locally, the present owner loves it. It was comfortable, and we always felt safe in it, it would go well for a big heavy vehicle, never had a major issue with it only running repairs like tyres and exhaust, and parts are cheap.
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Had one of these for many years, had very little trouble with it, we towed the caravan all over France with it, when towing it would give about 17 mpg even if driven hard down the auto route, around town it was a bit heavy 14mpg, but a great vehicle.
I wish i had never parted with it, still see it about locally, the present owner loves it. It was comfortable, and we always felt safe in it, it would go well for a big heavy vehicle, never had a major issue with it only running repairs like tyres and exhaust, and parts are cheap.
Thanks for that,nice to hear some good comments about Landies :y,got to investigate the problem next week once I've paid for it ::)
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I have a Disco 1 V8 and a Disco II TD5.
The V8 is much, much better - even than the TD5.
Actually looking for a Disco II V8 non-runner at the moment, so I can sell the TD on. So let me know if it falls through for whatever reason.
V8 you're looking at anything up to 19mpg. Bizarrely, the economy improves the heavier it gets. Recently did home to Liverpool to collect a Bentley on the trailer. Managed 18mpg ( at well over 5 tonnes ) on the way home and only 16 getting down there.
just let me know if you have any other problems....
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I have a Disco 1 V8 and a Disco II TD5.
The V8 is much, much better - even than the TD5.
Actually looking for a Disco II V8 non-runner at the moment, so I can sell the TD on. So let me know if it falls through for whatever reason.
V8 you're looking at anything up to 19mpg. Bizarrely, the economy improves the heavier it gets. Recently did home to Liverpool to collect a Bentley on the trailer. Managed 18mpg ( at well over 5 tonnes ) on the way home and only 16 getting down there.
just let me know if you have any other problems....
It turns out that the one I've bought has a problem with the gearbox out put shaft into transfer case being stripped,quite common according to the Landy man I spoke to :'(
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that's actually very unusual - you did say Discovery II didn't you ?
earlier cars - i.e. Disco I have pretty much all had this at one time or another, but it was ostensibly fixed before Disco II.
Transmission rebuild featuring new mainshaft and the later modified transfer box input gear with the extra oil hole.
......and if you juat get a secondhand transmission, I'm after a transfer box to rebuild.
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I have a Disco 1 V8 and a Disco II TD5.
The V8 is much, much better - even than the TD5.
Actually looking for a Disco II V8 non-runner at the moment, so I can sell the TD on. So let me know if it falls through for whatever reason.
V8 you're looking at anything up to 19mpg. Bizarrely, the economy improves the heavier it gets. Recently did home to Liverpool to collect a Bentley on the trailer. Managed 18mpg ( at well over 5 tonnes ) on the way home and only 16 getting down there.
just let me know if you have any other problems....
It turns out that the one I've bought has a problem with the gearbox out put shaft into transfer case being stripped,quite common according to the Landy man I spoke to :'(
thats why 90% of v8 discos etc had auto boxes because the v8s torque distroys the clutch & output shafts :(, ive got a 90H 200tdi tuned to hell & i only get 9mpg!! does spin all 4 tyres in 1st & 2nd on a damp road ;D
another main prob with the airride system is the plastic A adjusters on the leveller system to sensor on the trailing arms, they snap dropping truck on its arse or to one side, normally when off roading & a stick will easyily snap it easy to sort wedge it between 2 peices of tin & nutbolt together so it calnt snap,
also all discos are the same for rott unless u get a good one! remove boot carpet check floor solid, seatbelt front mounts under sill, body mounts, front hockystick bushes & where they bolt to front axle mudtrap & rott threw, check all heater functions because if heater motor packs up nightmare to fix (save its life if not needed turn it off!) & main one grease all prop joints check rear donut on 3bolt diff/prop as they perrish & cause a major vibration, & front swivle hubs all dry no leaks,
you can make your airbags last longer with foam type tyre shine to presurve the rubber jack airsystem to max & spray all over them..
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I have a Disco 1 V8 and a Disco II TD5.
The V8 is much, much better - even than the TD5.
Actually looking for a Disco II V8 non-runner at the moment, so I can sell the TD on. So let me know if it falls through for whatever reason.
V8 you're looking at anything up to 19mpg. Bizarrely, the economy improves the heavier it gets. Recently did home to Liverpool to collect a Bentley on the trailer. Managed 18mpg ( at well over 5 tonnes ) on the way home and only 16 getting down there.
just let me know if you have any other problems....
It turns out that the one I've bought has a problem with the gearbox out put shaft into transfer case being stripped,quite common according to the Landy man I spoke to :'(
thats why 90% of v8 discos etc had auto boxes because the v8s torque distroys the clutch & output shafts :(, ive got a 90H 200tdi tuned to hell & i only get 9mpg!! does spin all 4 tyres in 1st & 2nd on a damp road ;D
another main prob with the airride system is the plastic A adjusters on the leveller system to sensor on the trailing arms, they snap dropping truck on its arse or to one side, normally when off roading & a stick will easyily snap it easy to sort wedge it between 2 peices of tin & nutbolt together so it calnt snap,
also all discos are the same for rott unless u get a good one! remove boot carpet check floor solid, seatbelt front mounts under sill, body mounts, front hockystick bushes & where they bolt to front axle mudtrap & rott threw, check all heater functions because if heater motor packs up nightmare to fix (save its life if not needed turn it off!) & main one grease all prop joints check rear donut on 3bolt diff/prop as they perrish & cause a major vibration, & front swivle hubs all dry no leaks,
you can make your airbags last longer with foam type tyre shine to presurve the rubber jack airsystem to max & spray all over them..
The one I've bought seems good with no faults other than it won't bloody drive lol
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Result :y,turns out that my lack of drive with the disco is a knackered front diff,does anyone know if a 24 spline 300Tdi diff is the same as my v8 one,I know where theres one cheap but not sure if they are the same,the axle is physically different but wondering if I may get away with it
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Result :y,turns out that my lack of drive with the disco is a knackered front diff,does anyone know if a 24 spline 300Tdi diff is the same as my v8 one,I know where theres one cheap but not sure if they are the same,the axle is physically different but wondering if I may get away with it
Why does it not drive from the rear diff..... :-\ :-\
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Result :y,turns out that my lack of drive with the disco is a knackered front diff,does anyone know if a 24 spline 300Tdi diff is the same as my v8 one,I know where theres one cheap but not sure if they are the same,the axle is physically different but wondering if I may get away with it
Why does it not drive from the rear diff..... :-\ :-\
No centre diff lock on the disco 2,it has TC instead,apparently the diff lock is still in the transfer case but not plumbed in ???
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Result :y,turns out that my lack of drive with the disco is a knackered front diff,does anyone know if a 24 spline 300Tdi diff is the same as my v8 one,I know where theres one cheap but not sure if they are the same,the axle is physically different but wondering if I may get away with it
Why does it not drive from the rear diff..... :-\ :-\
No centre diff lock on the disco 2,it has TC instead,apparently the diff lock is still in the transfer case but not plumbed in ???
How stupid is that for a 4x4, the old series 3 often broke a drive shaft, but you simply put it in 4wd if you broke a rear one and drove home with front wheel drive, and potentially visa versa..... :) :) :)
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Result :y,turns out that my lack of drive with the disco is a knackered front diff,does anyone know if a 24 spline 300Tdi diff is the same as my v8 one,I know where theres one cheap but not sure if they are the same,the axle is physically different but wondering if I may get away with it
Why does it not drive from the rear diff..... :-\ :-\
No centre diff lock on the disco 2,it has TC instead,apparently the diff lock is still in the transfer case but not plumbed in ???
How stupid is that for a 4x4, the old series 3 often broke a drive shaft, but you simply put it in 4wd if you broke a rear one and drove home with front wheel drive, and potentially visa versa..... :) :) :)
Tell me about it, would have saved me having to tow it back with my poor old Merc although it did well pulling 2 tons :D
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300tdi 24spline should be the same except gear ratios as they should run the same running gear only the rear somtimes a sailsbury axle but they on the V8 defenders...??
if i can rem its only the 200 & 300 auto v8s that had a different diff ratio unsure on later kit... to many elec gizmos to break up!
but from what i can rem the v8s do have different ratios on everything transfur box & axles (but only on the autos.. stand corrected)
you may have to count teeth on the crownwheel & check before you fit & distroy the transfur box....
im actually after a 200tdi front axle 10spline as i got a truck with a distroyed cv joint!
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300tdi 24spline should be the same except gear ratios as they should run the same running gear only the rear somtimes a sailsbury axle but they on the V8 defenders...??
if i can rem its only the 200 & 300 auto v8s that had a different diff ratio unsure on later kit... to many elec gizmos to break up!
but from what i can rem the v8s do have different ratios on everything transfur box & axles (but only on the autos.. stand corrected)
you may have to count teeth on the crownwheel & check before you fit & distroy the transfur box....
im actually after a 200tdi front axle 10spline as i got a truck with a distroyed cv joint!
I know a man who will have one of those although he is here in Cornwall so carriage would be steep.
I've found the correct diff for mine now so hopefully will have it up and running by the weekend :y
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300tdi 24spline should be the same except gear ratios as they should run the same running gear only the rear somtimes a sailsbury axle but they on the V8 defenders...??
if i can rem its only the 200 & 300 auto v8s that had a different diff ratio unsure on later kit... to many elec gizmos to break up!
but from what i can rem the v8s do have different ratios on everything transfur box & axles (but only on the autos.. stand corrected)
you may have to count teeth on the crownwheel & check before you fit & distroy the transfur box....
im actually after a 200tdi front axle 10spline as i got a truck with a distroyed cv joint!
I know a man who will have one of those although he is here in Cornwall so carriage would be steep.
I've found the correct diff for mine now so hopefully will have it up and running by the weekend :y
could collect but all depends how much?? found one 25miles away for £150... & it cost me £50 easy 2 get cornwall & back...
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What part do you actually need?,he has the complete axle for similar money to what you have been quoted but is willing to split an axle for specific parts
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What part do you actually need?,he has the complete axle for similar money to what you have been quoted but is willing to split an axle for specific parts
unsure its not for my disco but my mates, the n/s hub is jamming & graunching loudly when under load but if you jack it up all sounds quiet..
so it could be a CV joint, sheered stub shaft, diff, bearings, etc...
but he wants a complete axle as unsure exsactly whats up...
so all i was going to do was strip complete hubs & shafts out of both sides & replace with another set inc diff..
would of just changed axel but on a 1990 G reg with all original everything!! its all corroded & i really calnt be arsed to strip it all down atmo, hes going to buy in the next month new shocks & springs in a +2 & pollybush everything so this is just a tempory repair!
well a perminant axle repair & bushes suspension etc replaced in a monts time as he only has £200 available to fix it atmo
but he does need a 200tdi radiator as all the fins have compleatly fallen out of about 75% of the cores!! it lasts about 30mins of town traffic befor it gets into the red, good job he only works 10mins from home..!!
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Result :y,turns out that my lack of drive with the disco is a knackered front diff,does anyone know if a 24 spline 300Tdi diff is the same as my v8 one,I know where theres one cheap but not sure if they are the same,the axle is physically different but wondering if I may get away with it
Why does it not drive from the rear diff..... :-\ :-\
No centre diff lock on the disco 2,it has TC instead,apparently the diff lock is still in the transfer case but not plumbed in ???
only on some....
does the TC not go wild when trying to drive ?
I have a spare V8 diff if needed, but I'd be very surprised if its actually the diff - much more likely to be a halfshaft or cv joint.
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Result :y,turns out that my lack of drive with the disco is a knackered front diff,does anyone know if a 24 spline 300Tdi diff is the same as my v8 one,I know where theres one cheap but not sure if they are the same,the axle is physically different but wondering if I may get away with it
Why does it not drive from the rear diff..... :-\ :-\
No centre diff lock on the disco 2,it has TC instead,apparently the diff lock is still in the transfer case but not plumbed in ???
only on some....
does the TC not go wild when trying to drive ?
I have a spare V8 diff if needed, but I'd be very surprised if its actually the diff - much more likely to be a halfshaft or cv joint.
Definitely the diff, small hole in the front casing where something has gone AWOL,I've got a diff and fitting it this afternoon :y
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Fitted replacement diff this afternoon and it drives,yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :D :D :y :y :y
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Glad you have it sorted :y
Well done :)
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Glad you have it sorted :y
Well done :)
Thanks Daz,diff was smashed to hell,god knows what happened to it ???
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So what does Mrs. Henryd think of the Landie.... You need to think of a name too by the way ;)
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So what does Mrs. Henryd think of the Landie.... You need to think of a name too by the way ;)
She likes it much more than I do,but she doesn't have to work on the rather thing or put petrol in it :-\
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Finally got to drive it yesterday and very pleased with it, very quiet and smooth with quite a lot of grunt, everything working except nearside front central lock solenoid, shouldn't be to much bother sorting that.
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Sounds like a result there, henryd :y
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Central locking fixed and taxed so Wifey out
wasting fuel enjoying herself driving it :y
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