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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: TheBoy on 20 February 2012, 17:17:04
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(http://theboy.omegaowners.com/oofpics/rover/rover1_1X.jpg)
Best I ever had :'(
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Must admit I loved my 25 diesel :y
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Bloody shame :(
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Must admit I loved my 25 diesel :y
Contemplating one, but for Mrs TB, I'd feel unhappy, as ABS wasn't standard on the TDs.
That said, I have all the diag equipment for post 2000 Rover, which is a consideration when (if) chosing a replacement...
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Ouch & ouch ouch again. What's happened Jamie?
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Not a bad old car the rover, wife's got the 216 and loves it, cant think why they stopped making 'em ;D
your one looks a bit short :P
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Bloody shame :(
Bodywork, and overall condition was almost perfect. Usual problem with the inside door handle trim not staying on, and the CD Changer was highly strung (too many CDRs, don't tell Dave DND :P)
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Ouch & ouch ouch again. What's happened Jamie?
I refer the honourable gentleman to http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=99127.0
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Must admit I loved my 25 diesel :y
Contemplating one, but for Mrs TB, I'd feel unhappy, as ABS wasn't standard on the TDs.
That said, I have all the diag equipment for post 2000 Rover, which is a consideration when (if) chosing a replacement...
Don't think i'd have the latest 25. I bought an 05 GSi to repair and it was plain to see and hear that Rover had cut back big time. Wouldn't mind the Streetwise though ::)
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Must admit I loved my 25 diesel :y
Contemplating one, but for Mrs TB, I'd feel unhappy, as ABS wasn't standard on the TDs.
That said, I have all the diag equipment for post 2000 Rover, which is a consideration when (if) chosing a replacement...
Don't think i'd have the latest 25. I bought an 05 GSi to repair and it was plain to see and hear that Rover had cut back big time. Wouldn't mind the Streetwise though ::)
Yeah, heard the MkII/Facelift was a bit cheap inside. Learnt that from Vauxhall, no doubt ;D
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Must admit I loved my 25 diesel :y
Contemplating one, but for Mrs TB, I'd feel unhappy, as ABS wasn't standard on the TDs.
That said, I have all the diag equipment for post 2000 Rover, which is a consideration when (if) chosing a replacement...
Don't think i'd have the latest 25. I bought an 05 GSi to repair and it was plain to see and hear that Rover had cut back big time. Wouldn't mind the Streetwise though ::)
Agreed, I think in the last 12 months or so they were just a mish mash of what parts were left.
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As you have admired its best side, here is the not so good side :'(
(http://theboy.omegaowners.com/oofpics/rover/rover1_3X.jpg)
You can see the side impact bar in the door did its job...
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Ouch :o
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As you have admired its best side, here is the not so good side :'(
(http://theboy.omegaowners.com/oofpics/rover/rover1_3X.jpg)
You can see the side impact bar in the door did its job...
Not a bad old car the rover, wife's got the 216 and loves it, cant think why they stopped making 'em ;D
your one looks a bit short :P
thought it looked a bit short :o
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Hell of a whack x3.
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Ouch & ouch ouch again. What's happened Jamie?
I refer the honourable gentleman to http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=99127.0
Honourable gentleman :o ??? ;D
Just looked at the pic of the back nearside :o :o :o :o Double ouch :(
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Hell of a whack x3.
That may explain why my back is killing me tonight...
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Hell of a whack x3.
That may explain why my back is killing me tonight...
GO TO THE QUACK YA WUSS!!! GET IT SEEN TO!!!
(if you havent already been, that is..... :) )
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Hell of a whack x3.
That may explain why my back is killing me tonight...
GO TO THE QUACK YA WUSS!!! GET IT SEEN TO!!!
(if you havent already been, that is..... :) )
I have. So ner nerr na ner nerr.
Complete waste of time, mind >:(
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Hell of a whack x3.
That may explain why my back is killing me tonight...
GO TO THE QUACK YA WUSS!!! GET IT SEEN TO!!!
(if you havent already been, that is..... :) )
I have. So ner nerr na ner nerr.
Complete waste of time, mind >:(
Time for the serious head and not taking the pee.
Young bruv was involved in a non fault crash in his modified and played with Mk2 Escort a number of years ago and he got his ankle broken when it was mashed into the pedals. Pinned and fixed, he took a full and final cash settlement from the fault drivers insurance (pulled out in front of him, T-bone crash the result) as it was 'big bucks' at the time - 4 grand. ::)
Almost 20 years on, he has been through the physio etc and fused bones etc to relieve constant pain and amputation is now looming large on the horizon to alleviate constant pain he is in.
Moral? Pain now could easily be severe in years to come. Ignoring the 3 grand autowhiplash claim, if you are in pain with your back YOU MUST, either through your insurers or GP, INSIST on further medical examination to ensure that the circumstances are noted now (not neccessarily paid out) so that if, in future years, you have a debilitating back problem you have a comeback to, potentially, pay for house adaptations for wheelchair access etc etc.
Not saying thats a probable as 'its only a bit of pain' at the moment but you must get the point noted so that there is future recourse.
I was in similar circumstances some years ago, made out I'm the big tough gruff Jock and poo poo'ed a bit of back pain as a result of a crims activities.
Boy, do I regret that big time now as the fekker topped himself and theres now going back to claim now....... :'(
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Hell of a whack x3.
That may explain why my back is killing me tonight...
GO TO THE QUACK YA WUSS!!! GET IT SEEN TO!!!
(if you havent already been, that is..... :) )
I have. So ner nerr na ner nerr.
Complete waste of time, mind >:(
Time for the serious head and not taking the pee.
Young bruv was involved in a non fault crash in his modified and played with Mk2 Escort a number of years ago and he got his ankle broken when it was mashed into the pedals. Pinned and fixed, he took a full and final cash settlement from the fault drivers insurance (pulled out in front of him, T-bone crash the result) as it was 'big bucks' at the time - 4 grand. ::)
Almost 20 years on, he has been through the physio etc and fused bones etc to relieve constant pain and amputation is now looming large on the horizon to alleviate constant pain he is in.
Moral? Pain now could easily be severe in years to come. Ignoring the 3 grand autowhiplash claim, if you are in pain with your back YOU MUST, either through your insurers or GP, INSIST on further medical examination to ensure that the circumstances are noted now (not neccessarily paid out) so that if, in future years, you have a debilitating back problem you have a comeback to, potentially, pay for house adaptations for wheelchair access etc etc.
Not saying thats a probable as 'its only a bit of pain' at the moment but you must get the point noted so that there is future recourse.
I was in similar circumstances some years ago, made out I'm the big tough gruff Jock and poo poo'ed a bit of back pain as a result of a crims activities.
Boy, do I regret that big time now as the fekker topped himself and theres now going back to claim now....... :'(
Been beating him over the head with that since day one. Will it ever go in. Chrystal ball would be nice, but in the absence of the ability to see the future, one MUST cover ones proverbial arse and the ability to continue to pay ones mortgage in any event.
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Well, as said, seen quack, convo went something like this...
Quack: "So, why are you here"
Me: "I'm in agony"
Quack: "What do you expect, you've been thrown around a bit in the accident. If its not less painful in 3 or 4 months, come back. I'd offer Physio, but its a 3 month waiting list"
Me: "Gee, thanks"
So my views and thoughts on the bottomless pit of inefficiency that we know as the NHS remains unchanged.
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As you have admired its best side, here is the not so good side :'(
(http://theboy.omegaowners.com/oofpics/rover/rover1_3X.jpg)
You can see the side impact bar in the door did its job...
was a very nice car.. but the hits damaged it really badly.. especially the rear.. drivers door and front wing can be changed easily but rear damage requires a robot to bring the car into original shape :( which is also quite expensive here..
with UK repair costs and comparing to car prices its not logical to try repair there.. but here, still its worth a try..
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Well, as said, seen quack, convo went something like this...
Quack: "So, why are you here"
Me: "I'm in agony"
Quack: "What do you expect, you've been thrown around a bit in the accident. If its not less painful in 3 or 4 months, come back. I'd offer Physio, but its a 3 month waiting list"
Me: "Gee, thanks"
So my views and thoughts on the bottomless pit of inefficiency that we know as the NHS remains unchanged.
See a private Physiotherapist. As said previously, Drs know cock all about Spines and muscles. Hence the referral, which you've declined. The point is not the competence of the system, it's to log the issues for lawyers later, should a professional opinion be needed.
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Robot ? Nah,one end of a chain attached to car,other end to something solid - drive off, job jobbed. :y ;D
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was a very nice car.. but the hits damaged it really badly.. especially the rear.. drivers door and front wing can be changed easily but rear damage requires a robot to bring the car into original shape :( which is also quite expensive here..
with UK repair costs and comparing to car prices its not logical to try repair there.. but here, still its worth a try..
Look at camber on NSR and OSF wheels, clearly there is some very serious damage underneath.
Additionally, look at picture in first post, passenger side (ie, NS), top of B pillar, that is a crease that wasn't there pre accident, so its actually very, very bent.
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GO PRIVATE....
you can claim the costs back (assuming you dont have it through work anyway?)
Thats a bit of a dint!
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Well, as said, seen quack, convo went something like this...
Quack: "So, why are you here"
Me: "I'm in agony"
Quack: "What do you expect, you've been thrown around a bit in the accident. If its not less painful in 3 or 4 months, come back. I'd offer Physio, but its a 3 month waiting list"
Me: "Gee, thanks"
So my views and thoughts on the bottomless pit of inefficiency that we know as the NHS remains unchanged.
You have answered your own question.
Plague the GP. If its sore, tell him. Repeatedly. Get the meds (no one says you have to take them, its 'just a bit of pain' remember) and tell him/her that whatever he is doing insn't working. And neither are you.
Get a hospital reference for Xray/MRI/whatever. And get it seen to.
Write directly to other party who is at fault informing them that you wish to recoup your uninsured losses NOW (thats the excess on the policy, car hire, loss of wages, taxi fares due to lack of car etc etc etc.) and that you require the monies within 14 days of postmark as they are deemed wholly responsible. Non payment after the 14 days will incurr a daily compounded interest rate of XX percent above the BoE daily rate on the monies payable. Each letter reminding them of non payment will cost them an additional £50 each time you send one and each will be compounded to the total and subject to interest as already stated.
Remember the phrase 'full and final' in any settlement. That means if you do accept monies that are subject to that, any future claim for injury has already been paid out and your stuffed.
Bottom line, dont just roll over and take a couple of Ibuprofen if it gets a bit tickly. Your actions now can demarcate your future health and standard of life. And it may well be something that you don't like, if you are not carefull..... :y
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Well, as said, seen quack, convo went something like this...
Quack: "So, why are you here"
Me: "I'm in agony"
Quack: "What do you expect, you've been thrown around a bit in the accident. If its not less painful in 3 or 4 months, come back. I'd offer Physio, but its a 3 month waiting list"
Me: "Gee, thanks"
So my views and thoughts on the bottomless pit of inefficiency that we know as the NHS remains unchanged.
You have answered your own question.
Plague the GP. If its sore, tell him. Repeatedly. Get the meds (no one says you have to take them, its 'just a bit of pain' remember) and tell him/her that whatever he is doing insn't working. And neither are you.
Get a hospital reference for Xray/MRI/whatever. And get it seen to.
Write directly to other party who is at fault informing them that you wish to recoup your uninsured losses NOW (thats the excess on the policy, car hire, loss of wages, taxi fares due to lack of car etc etc etc.) and that you require the monies within 14 days of postmark as they are deemed wholly responsible. Non payment after the 14 days will incurr a daily compounded interest rate of XX percent above the BoE daily rate on the monies payable. Each letter reminding them of non payment will cost them an additional £50 each time you send one and each will be compounded to the total and subject to interest as already stated.
Remember the phrase 'full and final' in any settlement. That means if you do accept monies that are subject to that, any future claim for injury has already been paid out and your stuffed.
Bottom line, dont just roll over and take a couple of Ibuprofen if it gets a bit tickly. Your actions now can demarcate your future health and standard of life. And it may well be something that you don't like, if you are not carefull..... :y
TB you've listened to none of us so far, maybe you'll listen to Broocie! :(
This is your health, your quality of life, you only get the one. Please please (I'm begging now so must be serious) go private and get yourself treated. Doc's only generalise, you NEED input from a physio specialising in musculoskeletal problems. :-*
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Write directly to other party who is at fault informing them that you wish to recoup your uninsured losses NOW (thats the excess on the policy, car hire, loss of wages, taxi fares due to lack of car etc etc etc.) and that you require the monies within 14 days of postmark as they are deemed wholly responsible. Non payment after the 14 days will incurr a daily compounded interest rate of XX percent above the BoE daily rate on the monies payable. Each letter reminding them of non payment will cost them an additional £50 each time you send one and each will be compounded to the total and subject to interest as already stated.
Remember the phrase 'full and final' in any settlement. That means if you do accept monies that are subject to that, any future claim for injury has already been paid out and your stuffed.
Edit to clarify
You are claiming uninsured losses, nothing more, and certainly not your injury(s) which is/are yet to be fully assessed. Further communications will ensue once prognosis confirmed. :)
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Well, as said, seen quack, convo went something like this...
Quack: "So, why are you here"
Me: "I'm in agony"
Quack: "What do you expect, you've been thrown around a bit in the accident. If its not less painful in 3 or 4 months, come back. I'd offer Physio, but its a 3 month waiting list"
Me: "Gee, thanks"
So my views and thoughts on the bottomless pit of inefficiency that we know as the NHS remains unchanged.
thats really funny thats what the quack said too me....NHS physio = crap
i am now in a position where if i walk too far or just happen to in a way my hip doesnt like i am in agony....get it sorted ASAP
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Robot ? Nah,one end of a chain attached to car,other end to something solid - drive off, job jobbed. :y ;D
;D ;D job jobbed or car will have mitotic division so you will have 2 cars now ;D :P
ps : or we will end up being kicked out of the forum tonight ;D ::)
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Physio's tend to learn the trade on nhs, then go private IME.
That aside, I find it's purely luck of the draw how good the treatment is. Some are just better than others.
Thing is Physio tends to concentrate on soft tissue, hence ideal for TB (;D) more advanced professionals realise the need for scelatle skills such chiropractic etc, and are then in a position to offer a very complete service. If you find one of these, depending on your needs, keep hold of them. In fact let me know, mine moved up north, I've yet to find anyone anywhere near as experienced.
They also tend to be female and usually quite attractive. :-X although now I've said that he's bound to get some old boiler. ;D
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Physio's tend to learn the trade on nhs, then go private IME.
That aside, I find it's purely luck of the draw how good the treatment is. Some are just better than others.
Thing is Physio tends to concentrate on soft tissue, hence ideal for TB (;D) more advanced professionals realise the need for scelatle skills such chiropractic etc, and are then in a position to offer a very complete service. If you find one of these, depending on your needs, keep hold of them. In fact let me know, mine moved up north, I've yet to find anyone anywhere near as experienced.
They also tend to be female and usually quite attractive. :-X although now I've said that he's bound to get some old boiler. ;D
Depends on their training, some specialise in musculoskeletal, hence being useful after car accidents others take a neurological approach and look at rebuilding damaged pathways which he may need later on if not treated appropriately now.
Going private would be the logical choice as practitioners aren't limited by NHS constraints and do tend to tap into other professional thinking.
I trained under some fantastic physio's who were constantly frustrated at the NHS' lack of recognition of other practises and was constantly encouraged to investigate other ideas.
Incidently none of them were young pretty females.......except me! ::) ::) ::) :P ;D
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Physio's tend to learn the trade on nhs, then go private IME.
That aside, I find it's purely luck of the draw how good the treatment is. Some are just better than others.
Thing is Physio tends to concentrate on soft tissue, hence ideal for TB (;D) more advanced professionals realise the need for scelatle skills such chiropractic etc, and are then in a position to offer a very complete service. If you find one of these, depending on your needs, keep hold of them. In fact let me know, mine moved up north, I've yet to find anyone anywhere near as experienced.
They also tend to be female and usually quite attractive. :-X although now I've said that he's bound to get some old boiler. ;D
Depends on their training, some specialise in musculoskeletal, hence being useful after car accidents others take a neurological approach and look at rebuilding damaged pathways which he may need later on if not treated appropriately now.
Going private would be the logical choice as practitioners aren't limited by NHS constraints and do tend to tap into other professional thinking.
I trained under some fantastic physio's who were constantly frustrated at the NHS' lack of recognition of other practises and was constantly encouraged to investigate other ideas.
Incidently none of them were young pretty females.......except me! ::) ::) ::) :P ;D
yes, it's a bit frustrating on both sides. Bit like a salesman only wanting to sell what's for sale, weather that's what the patient needs or not. Physio has potential to cover a massive scope it seems to me, but then we all gota start somewhere.
I thought the nhs now recognise chiropractic? Which is far too fierce for me in all but 10% of my spine. But that 10% makes a massive difference when administered correctly, and theres no point going unless thats done. So my spine needs more than nhs can give anyway, afaict.
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Soft tissue only? Not the physio-terrorists I dealt with on my ankle when I had ATFL damage. "I wont press too hard" as I was launched in to orbit...... tinkers >:(
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Soft tissue only? Not the physio-terrorists I dealt with on my ankle when I had ATFL damage. "I wont press too hard" as I was launched in to orbit...... tinkers >:(
;D I'm quite you deserved it ;D
;)
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Physio's tend to learn the trade on nhs, then go private IME.
That aside, I find it's purely luck of the draw how good the treatment is. Some are just better than others.
Thing is Physio tends to concentrate on soft tissue, hence ideal for TB ( ;D ) more advanced professionals realise the need for scelatle skills such chiropractic etc, and are then in a position to offer a very complete service. If you find one of these, depending on your needs, keep hold of them. In fact let me know, mine moved up north, I've yet to find anyone anywhere near as experienced.
They also tend to be female and usually quite attractive. :-X although now I've said that he's bound to get some old boiler. ;D
Depends on their training, some specialise in musculoskeletal, hence being useful after car accidents others take a neurological approach and look at rebuilding damaged pathways which he may need later on if not treated appropriately now.
Going private would be the logical choice as practitioners aren't limited by NHS constraints and do tend to tap into other professional thinking.
I trained under some fantastic physio's who were constantly frustrated at the NHS' lack of recognition of other practises and was constantly encouraged to investigate other ideas.
Incidently none of them were young pretty females.......except me! ::) ::) ::) :P ;D
best physio I have ever seen is my wife , a hot iron , thick towel (to protect me from burning) , voltaren, muscle relaxing pills and fruit gelly (made from animals not veggy)..
with doctors I had no luck .. :-\
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For those who have bad results from the usual chiropractic styles ,.. may i suggest you consider the McTimoney Chiropractors, if there is one near you.
http://www.mctimoneychiropractic.org
I slipped 2 discs many years ago, the military treated that by me lying in bed for 48 hours with weights attached to my ankles. It did no good at all and over the years I have suffered with back pain, especially after working on car engines, gardening .. that sort of thing ... anything that stretched or "used" the back would see me struggling to walk for a week.
I then found this McTimoney thing ... and I recommend it highly ... no huge "cracking" of joints, no big pulling of limbs, it is all small movements done precisely... I don't know why it makes such a big difference .. but it does. I had 1 months weekly treatment followed by 3 months of fortnightly treatments, so 10 sessions .... OK .. not cheap at £40 a session, but I now go every 6 months for a check over and i sleep and walk without pain. I can also do a set of cam cover gaskets without ending up walking like a pregnant duck.
HTH :)
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One just found the corner from me. Cheers E :y
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I too have been berating TB, with tales of woe and stern warnings.., he's probably suffering from nag fatigue by now, but hey ho.... if WE don;t look after the grumpy boy, who the hell will eh????
couple of things,
1) Physio wait is variable, and in some cases severity dependent, i asked for a referral last week, i'm booked in on thursday this week, so 3 months is horseshyte
2) SOME NHS physios are damn good..... for example the last lot i saw based at the Nuffield hospital in Oxford.... and there ARE choices available to GP for referrals, although it may have an effect on it's cost to the practice in NHS accountancy terms..... do not go and moan about the back being sore, go and demand a referral NOW> even if it IS 3 months wait, best to be able to get in in 3 months rather than 6.
3) ask about private treatment, the costs should be recoupable on the insurance claim. speak to your insurer for advice about how they would like it handled.
4) if all that fails I'll bloody well go and see your quack and educate him on the question of referring you..... , word of warning, you may have to change surgeries afterwards......
5) DO NOT accept any settlement on the quick without having had physio and a full long term prognosis assessment from a specialist, and avoid the words full and final in any agreement relating to personal injury..... these things have a way of coming back to haunt you.... permanently.....
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Physio's tend to learn the trade on nhs, then go private IME.
That aside, I find it's purely luck of the draw how good the treatment is. Some are just better than others.
Thing is Physio tends to concentrate on soft tissue, hence ideal for TB (;D) more advanced professionals realise the need for scelatle skills such chiropractic etc, and are then in a position to offer a very complete service. If you find one of these, depending on your needs, keep hold of them. In fact let me know, mine moved up north, I've yet to find anyone anywhere near as experienced.
They also tend to be female and usually quite attractive. :-X although now I've said that he's bound to get some old boiler. ;D
Depends on their training, some specialise in musculoskeletal, hence being useful after car accidents others take a neurological approach and look at rebuilding damaged pathways which he may need later on if not treated appropriately now.
Going private would be the logical choice as practitioners aren't limited by NHS constraints and do tend to tap into other professional thinking.
I trained under some fantastic physio's who were constantly frustrated at the NHS' lack of recognition of other practises and was constantly encouraged to investigate other ideas.
Incidently none of them were young pretty females.......except me! ::) ::) ::) :P ;D
yes, it's a bit frustrating on both sides. Bit like a salesman only wanting to sell what's for sale, weather that's what the patient needs or not. Physio has potential to cover a massive scope it seems to me, but then we all gota start somewhere.
I thought the nhs now recognise chiropractic? Which is far too fierce for me in all but 10% of my spine. But that 10% makes a massive difference when administered correctly, and theres no point going unless thats done. So my spine needs more than nhs can give anyway, afaict.
I think they do now but a lot of it depends on the open mindedness of your GP. Things have moved on in the 10 years I've been out of the physio game. I think things are heading towards a holistic approach rather than treating a localised area now.
And Guffer...our physio team motto for big wimps was no pain no gain! Men are big babies. :P :P :P
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was a very nice car.. but the hits damaged it really badly.. especially the rear.. drivers door and front wing can be changed easily but rear damage requires a robot to bring the car into original shape :( which is also quite expensive here..
with UK repair costs and comparing to car prices its not logical to try repair there.. but here, still its worth a try..
Look at camber on NSR and OSF wheels, clearly there is some very serious damage underneath.
Additionally, look at picture in first post, passenger side (ie, NS), top of B pillar, that is a crease that wasn't there pre accident, so its actually very, very bent.
yesterday , I was sleepless and missed this post :-[
clearly , this car needs robot repair.. and once you pay for it (ie rear) wont make difference for other parts if they correct..
(problem is cars are cheap there and I dont think you have the time to check/control bodyshops.. if you were here I could do it)
here you generally pay 300-400£ for robot.. and once they tie up chasis they will correct everywhere.. I know because we repaired a friends car which dropped off from lift.. it was definitely rhombus shaped.. ;D then he used the car well for another 3 years and then sell.. :-\
as for the doc.. if the NHS doc was incompetent, go private imo.. but as others said you can claim for health issues.. let the other drivers pay for your health.. :y
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Physio's tend to learn the trade on nhs, then go private IME.
That aside, I find it's purely luck of the draw how good the treatment is. Some are just better than others.
Thing is Physio tends to concentrate on soft tissue, hence ideal for TB (;D) more advanced professionals realise the need for scelatle skills such chiropractic etc, and are then in a position to offer a very complete service. If you find one of these, depending on your needs, keep hold of them. In fact let me know, mine moved up north, I've yet to find anyone anywhere near as experienced.
They also tend to be female and usually quite attractive. :-X although now I've said that he's bound to get some old boiler. ;D
I have to agree with Chris it is really luck of the draw who you get.the best lot I have come across are situated in rainham in Kent and are affiliated too gillingham football club they do seem to know what they are doing
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Physio's tend to learn the trade on nhs, then go private IME.
That aside, I find it's purely luck of the draw how good the treatment is. Some are just better than others.
Thing is Physio tends to concentrate on soft tissue, hence ideal for TB (;D) more advanced professionals realise the need for scelatle skills such chiropractic etc, and are then in a position to offer a very complete service. If you find one of these, depending on your needs, keep hold of them. In fact let me know, mine moved up north, I've yet to find anyone anywhere near as experienced.
They also tend to be female and usually quite attractive. :-X although now I've said that he's bound to get some old boiler. ;D
I have to agree with Chris it is really luck of the draw who you get.the best lot I have come across are situated in rainham in Kent and are affiliated too gillingham football club they do seem to know what they are doing
Was going to add that if you can find a sports physio, they usually know their stuff.