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Title: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 24 February 2020, 11:03:47
Anyone still thinking it is all going to pass over and nothing to worry about?

I wonder how many folks foreign holiday trips will be hit come this summer.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 24 February 2020, 11:09:55
Anyone still thinking it is all going to pass over and nothing to worry about?

Still think I'm more likely to get hit by a bus/die on the road/etc, yes.

My company has just cancelled a lot of international travel, which is bloody annoying seeing as I'd spent £450 of my own, non-refundable, money to book a flight for my OH to join me in Seattle.

Either:
a) We are all going to be dead/zombies/living in a post apocalyptic wasteland by the end of the year or
b) This will all blow over in a couple of months and we'll move on to the next media-induced-panic

Either way, what's the point in changing our plans? ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 24 February 2020, 11:10:42
There are some questions that are not being covered on this. The one I am interested in is:
Let's assume that the virus spreads among the population, as seems most likely. Once you have had the infection, which seems to be relatively mild for most people (less dangerous than influenza, by all accounts), is that it? Are you now immune or will the virus mutate year by year so that you can catch a different strain every year?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 24 February 2020, 13:03:34
There are some questions that are not being covered on this. The one I am interested in is:
Let's assume that the virus spreads among the population, as seems most likely. Once you have had the infection, which seems to be relatively mild for most people (less dangerous than influenza, by all accounts), is that it? Are you now immune or will the virus mutate year by year so that you can catch a different strain every year?

Good question. There was an expert on Sky News earlier that made some good points. He might have known

The EU have devised contingencies and set aside 200 million for measures. Italy now has some communities in lockdown.

I am thinking better quarantine ( isolation if you like) will help. How can four Brits passed as OK now have the virus for example?

Get your masks and alcohol based hand cleanser now.  Gloves might be an idea too.Might be some money to be made on shares too as markets tumble.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 24 February 2020, 13:07:48
On the one o'clock news now: Stock markets across Europe have taken fright and dropped by more than 3%. Lots more cases in Iran than the authorities are letting on.

And, breaking news in Russia: It was Donald wot did it.  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 24 February 2020, 13:11:20
For those who insist on worrying about things you can't change, you can track how screwed you are here: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 24 February 2020, 13:34:42
Interesting word “ worrying”. Risk assessment or common sense?

It most certainly is regrettable that you have lost money on your travel plans for example. Is plane travel a great idea?

Anyone know how the nice couple on the cruise ship are faring. They had an outside cabin so could get fresh air. Mrs V thinks they both have pneumonia with his being the worst.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 24 February 2020, 13:49:44
Is plane travel a great idea?

Seems less risky than using the roads, given how many people are killed each year driving.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 24 February 2020, 14:48:30
And another thing. Figures are being released about the number of cases in any given country but, according to those in the know, most people only suffer mild, respiratory symptoms. If you got 'a bit of a bad chest', would you 1) Present at A&E, 2) Go to your GP or 3) Get on with it?
I would imagine most people would answer 3 but, apparently, these people can still spread the virus. So, is the actual figure 3,5 or even 10 times what we are being told?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 24 February 2020, 16:23:45
So a known unknown then.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 24 February 2020, 20:36:01
I dunno about Corona virus Europe, what about Africa?  ???

It could be utterly devastating if it takes hold in rural areas of countries like Uganda, Zambia, Malawi or Mozambique where there is little or no healthcare.  :-\

Or the slums of the big cities like Nairobi or Jo'burg.  :(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 24 February 2020, 20:51:34
I dunno about Corona virus Europe, what about Africa?  ???

It could be utterly devastating if it takes hold in rural areas of countries like Uganda, Zambia, Malawi or Mozambique where there is little or no healthcare.  :-\

Or the slums of the big cities like Nairobi or Jo'burg.  :(
Population reduction anyone?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 24 February 2020, 21:05:43
I dunno about Corona virus Europe, what about Africa?  ???

It could be utterly devastating if it takes hold in rural areas of countries like Uganda, Zambia, Malawi or Mozambique where there is little or no healthcare.  :-\

Or the slums of the big cities like Nairobi or Jo'burg.  :(
Population reduction anyone?

Maybe it was released on purpose?   :-\  ::)  :-X
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 24 February 2020, 21:20:58
I dunno about Corona virus Europe, what about Africa?  ???

It could be utterly devastating if it takes hold in rural areas of countries like Uganda, Zambia, Malawi or Mozambique where there is little or no healthcare.  :-\

Or the slums of the big cities like Nairobi or Jo'burg.  :(
Population reduction anyone?

Maybe it was released on purpose?   :-\  ::)  :-X
I don't know, ask Rods.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Nick W on 24 February 2020, 21:23:16
I dunno about Corona virus Europe, what about Africa?  ???

It could be utterly devastating if it takes hold in rural areas of countries like Uganda, Zambia, Malawi or Mozambique where there is little or no healthcare.  :-\

Or the slums of the big cities like Nairobi or Jo'burg.  :(
Population reduction anyone?

Maybe it was released on purpose?   :-\ ::) :-X


it's a pathetic weapon that is hard to catch, gives most victims the sniffles for a few days, and has a mortality rate of only 2% in the worst area affected. You would want something a lot more effective if using a bio-weapon.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 24 February 2020, 21:40:56
I dunno about Corona virus Europe, what about Africa?  ???

It could be utterly devastating if it takes hold in rural areas of countries like Uganda, Zambia, Malawi or Mozambique where there is little or no healthcare.  :-\

Or the slums of the big cities like Nairobi or Jo'burg.  :(
Population reduction anyone?

Maybe it was released on purpose?   :-\ ::) :-X


it's a pathetic weapon that is hard to catch, gives most victims the sniffles for a few days, and has a mortality rate of only 2% in the worst area affected. You would want something a lot more effective if using a bio-weapon.
Ah yes, but those 2% are all pensioners. A great money saving idea.  :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 25 February 2020, 02:17:20
I dunno about Corona virus Europe, what about Africa?  ???

It could be utterly devastating if it takes hold in rural areas of countries like Uganda, Zambia, Malawi or Mozambique where there is little or no healthcare.  :-\

Or the slums of the big cities like Nairobi or Jo'burg.  :(
Population reduction anyone?

Maybe it was released on purpose?   :-\ ::) :-X


it's a pathetic weapon that is hard to catch, gives most victims the sniffles for a few days, and has a mortality rate of only 2% in the worst area affected. You would want something a lot more effective if using a bio-weapon.
Ah yes, but those 2% are all pensioners. A great money saving idea.  :y

Talking of pensioners, anyone seen Lord Opti recently?  :-\

Maybe he's got the flu...  :P
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 25 February 2020, 08:14:07
So Matt Hancock has said anyone returning from Italy north of Pisa should self isolate. How is that going to work? Sick note? Pay?     sorry cant come in to work as I have to self isolate.

1000 guests at a hotel in Tenerife in lockdown.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 25 February 2020, 08:42:19
So Matt Hancock has said anyone returning from Italy north of Pisa should self isolate. How is that going to work? Sick note? Pay?     sorry cant come in to work as I have to self isolate.

My employer's HR department actually has guidance to do exactly that. Work from home, self isolate, full pay. I believe our entire Singapore office has been ordered to do exactly that until further notice.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: redelitev6 on 25 February 2020, 10:53:24
I did lots of self isolation as a teenager  :D :D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 25 February 2020, 11:25:23
I did lots of self abusing as a teenager  :D :D
Didn't we all?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 25 February 2020, 11:40:25
Ignoring the fact that the Canaries have been shut off due to a sandstorm ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 25 February 2020, 18:28:43
Corona virus is nothing. A couple of weeks from now it will be barely remembered.

In the good old days we had proper pandemics like the black death and spanish flu. :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 25 February 2020, 18:37:56
Over a third of the people globally who have caught it thus far have fully recovered*.

Three people in the whole of Spain have it, one of whom is Italian, more chance of suffocating from dust than catching it.

Continuing unbiased, unhyped facts available here...

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

*Incidentally, this equates to 2/3rds the population of Worthing.  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 25 February 2020, 18:40:14
Over a third of the people globally who have caught it thus far have fully recovered*.

Three people in the whole of Spain have it, one of whom is Italian, more chance of suffocating from dust than catching it.

Continuing unbiased, unhyped facts available here...

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

*Incidentally, this equates to 2/3rds the population of Worthing.  ::)
If it takes hold in Worthing the mortality rate will be close to 100%. Most of them have only got a couple of weeks anyway.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 25 February 2020, 18:45:54
Nah, they've all had their flu jabs ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 25 February 2020, 18:48:07
Over a third of the people globally who have caught it thus far have fully recovered*.

Three people in the whole of Spain have it, one of whom is Italian, more chance of suffocating from dust than catching it.

Continuing unbiased, unhyped facts available here...

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

*Incidentally, this equates to 2/3rds the population of Worthing.  ::)

That is comforting to know.  Let us review it in a few weeks time. :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 25 February 2020, 19:03:51
The Spanish flu pandemic in 1918 killed 30-50 million.

So far the CV has killed an elderly couple and their pet whippet, Eric. :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 25 February 2020, 19:17:31
The Spanish flu pandemic in 1918 killed 30-50 million.

So far the CV has killed an elderly couple and their pet whippet, Eric. :)

That was over a couple of years, January 1918 - December 1920.  They didn't have quick and easy travel like we do today, and look how that spread around the globe, even to remote Pacific Islands and the Arctic.  ;)

Covid-19 has only been around for a couple of months, so give it time!  :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 25 February 2020, 19:36:52
The Spanish flu pandemic in 1918 killed 30-50 million.

So far the CV has killed an elderly couple and their pet whippet, Eric. :)

That was over a couple of years, January 1918 - December 1920.  They didn't have quick and easy travel like we do today, and look how that spread around the globe, even to remote Pacific Islands and the Arctic.  ;)

Covid-19 has only been around for a couple of months, so give it time!  :)

Yes.....I believe the death toll in Italy has now reached 10. ::)

Rather less than have choked to death on a piece of pizza. ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 25 February 2020, 19:48:20
Iran could prove interesting. Isolation is so old fashioned, it's up to god, whichever flavour you believe in, whether you live or die.....say the religious fanatics who rule the country.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 25 February 2020, 19:52:25
The Spanish flu pandemic in 1918 killed 30-50 million.

So far the CV has killed an elderly couple and their pet whippet, Eric. :)

That was over a couple of years, January 1918 - December 1920.  They didn't have quick and easy travel like we do today, and look how that spread around the globe, even to remote Pacific Islands and the Arctic.  ;)

Covid-19 has only been around for a couple of months, so give it time!  :)

Yes.....I believe the death toll in Italy has now reached 10. ::)

Rather less than have choked to death on a piece of pizza. ::)

A couple of weeks ago we were looking and wondering at pictures of soldiers manning roadblocks in a strange land on the other side of the planet.

Now we're looking at pictures of soldiers manning roadblocks in a neighbouring country less than a 24 hour drive away.

In two weeks time we could be looking at soldiers manning roadblocks in the neighbouring county.

I might get a few tins of spam in!  :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 25 February 2020, 19:55:25
Instead of self isolation, should we recommend self immolation? That would kill all the germs too.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 25 February 2020, 20:13:04
Instead of self isolation, should we recommend self immolation? That would kill all the germs too.

How about self flagellation?  That might pacify the gods!  :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 25 February 2020, 20:27:21
The Spanish flu pandemic in 1918 killed 30-50 million.

So far the CV has killed an elderly couple and their pet whippet, Eric. :)

That was over a couple of years, January 1918 - December 1920.  They didn't have quick and easy travel like we do today, and look how that spread around the globe, even to remote Pacific Islands and the Arctic.  ;)

Covid-19 has only been around for a couple of months, so give it time!  :)

Yes.....I believe the death toll in Italy has now reached 10. ::)

Rather less than have choked to death on a piece of pizza. ::)

A couple of weeks ago we were looking and wondering at pictures of soldiers manning roadblocks in a strange land on the other side of the planet.

Now we're looking at pictures of soldiers manning roadblocks in a neighbouring country less than a 24 hour drive away.

In two weeks time we could be looking at soldiers manning roadblocks in the neighbouring county.

I might get a few tins of spam in!  :)

An expat forum for France has an interesting thread suggesting ( it isn't clear by who!) to regularly buy extra dry and tinned foods to avoid panic and shelves being empty. The idea being to have plenty in in case of having to self isolate. How long before we are seeing  panic buying like we see at xmas, Easter, etc.?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Kevin Wood on 25 February 2020, 20:31:52
Perhaps a couple of weeks'  curfew would go some way to reducing the pile of food that SWMBO's taken to storing in my bloody garage. ::)

 ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 25 February 2020, 22:10:25
Might order another month of meal replacements... That said, already down a stone and a half since the beginning of the month... Which is nice :D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: omegod on 25 February 2020, 22:50:46
I was asked today if I would work in an isolation zone at NHS walk in centres testing those presenting with similar symptoms of coronavirus , no extra pay offered mind ....... erm......... nope.....don't think so  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: BazaJT on 26 February 2020, 08:00:32
Got to be good for the environment though what with all the flights being cancelled ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 26 February 2020, 08:17:03
Got to be good for the environment though what with all the flights being cancelled ::)

Tinfoil hat time: Weren't the climate change folks suggesting that all commercial flights be banned along with ICE cars? If everyone is on quarantine, there will be no flights...

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Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 February 2020, 08:58:02
Well, now that you mention it, it is a watered down veggie flu...  :D

You have probably caught worse on a plane. Sitting in the front would probably help.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 February 2020, 09:00:31
Newsflash...

Italy, north of Pisa, isn't great in the winter, so now is a sensible time to not be there in the first place.

Go in June/July. It will be warmer with no flu :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 26 February 2020, 10:28:00
You have probably caught worse on a plane. Sitting in the front would probably help.

Oh, I have definitely come back from work trips with a healthy dose of plane-aids before now, that's for sure! Doesn't help that I always sit at the back (either near the lavs or, if I'm lucky, galley, depending on the plane) so everyone is walking past me.. but that's more manageable than being whacked in the shoulder every time the trolley-dolley goes past ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 26 February 2020, 13:02:22
I think I may be coming down with a dose of  Man Flu.

Forget the 2% fatality rate of the 'pissy' Corona virus, it is well known the fatality rate of man flu is close to 100%... :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 26 February 2020, 13:04:52
I think I may be coming down with a dose of  Man Flu.

Forget the 2% fatality rate of the 'pissy' Corona virus, it is well known the fatality rate of man flu is close to 100%... :-\
Self isolate for a year and don't take you laptop with you.....please!  :P
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 26 February 2020, 13:13:46
I think I may be coming down with a dose of  Man Flu.

Forget the 2% fatality rate of the 'pissy' Corona virus, it is well known the fatality rate of man flu is close to 100%... :-\
Self isolate for a year and don't take you laptop with you.....please!  :P

You'd miss me if I didn't take the time to lighten up your dreary life with my verbose rambling each day. :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: TheBoy on 26 February 2020, 18:09:58
Newsflash...

Italy, north of Pisa, isn't great in the winter, so now is a sensible time to not be there in the first place.

Go in June/July. It will be warmer with no flu :y
I am.

But will be unaffected because self isolation, and even the wimpy force isolation measures tried don't work, so it'll be everywhere.


It does need to be more fatal to have a useful impact though :(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: redelitev6 on 26 February 2020, 21:51:40
Wait until the virus hits Africa big time  :o
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rods2 on 27 February 2020, 00:57:53
WHO 19/2/2020 situation report reports that the Chinese recovered death rate is 2.3%. This drops to 0.9% (which is about the same overall death rate for flu so this is x2.5 times more deadly) for the under 50's where it starts to climb to about 14% in the over 80's. Chronic conditions make a massive difference with heart problems top at 10% fatality rate, followed by diabetes at 7%, COPD at 6%, then hypertension. Poo, pooing statistics is fine until you, your families & friends start being one of them and then it gets personal. If you have heart problems, diabetes issues, COPD, kidney problems or hypertension all of these chronic conditions can be made significantly worse with a very reduced rest of life, quality of life if you survive.

Iran's death rate is currently running at 14-15% which suggests there a x5 to x10 more people infected than they have reported.

What it will do is affect people's jobs, incomes, create shortages of food, medicines & lots of other essential items, so expect to take a hit on your quality of life for the next year or 2 or 3 until it is under control. SARs took almost 3 years to eradicate & only involved 8-9,000 people & was much more difficult to catch although the WHO fatality rate was at 14.5%. MERS is very difficult to catch from camels but kills 34% of those infected. At best the first vaccines will become available in 2021 which will then start to help to eradicate it.

The whole idea of the Governments self-isolation policy is not to stop its spread but the rate it is spread, so the NHS is not overwhelmed with the number of pneumonia cases which if they run out of assisted respiratory systems it will push up the mortality rate. The gaussian distribution will have a much, much longer Y time axis, but a much lower backend loaded pneumonia cases peak. The leading experts all think we are beyond the will it become a global pandemic to which countries will do better controlling it than others?

The majority on here are over 50, many with chronic conditions, so be lucky & use basic hygiene procedures like washing your hands regularly with warm soapy water, do touch your face & eyes with dirty hands & used alcohol based sanitisers when available. If you get it then control the spraying of the virus with paper tissues when coughing or sneezing.

That it an escaped bio weapon, is an out & out conspiracy theory as the weapon & antidote are developed together, so you can protect the 'good side' which infecting the 'bad one'. Where the rural Chinese live in their houses with their domesticated animals & will trade in markets & eat any domesticated or wild animals including: dogs, cats, badgers, bats, crivets, snakes, rats, mice (eating baby mice live is considered a delicacy!). The last 3 global diseases that have jumped species in China: pigs->humans swine flu, bats->humans SARS & 93% chance bats->humans Covid-19.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: BazaJT on 27 February 2020, 20:57:39
One thing I don't understand is if all these companies telling their staff to stay home and work from there can do that now why can they not do it all the time thus saving countless commuter journeys and attendant pollution?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 27 February 2020, 21:32:04
Because they will arguably be less productive in the long term.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: pscocoa on 28 February 2020, 09:26:03
Just watching drop in FTSE 100 share index - 7727 down to 6500 in days
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Viral_Jim on 28 February 2020, 09:57:48
Amazing isn't it.

Dr G's meter is currently showing 2859 deaths.

That makes Covid-19 slightly more lethal than constipation in the US (2100 deaths) but nowhere near as dangerous as contact with agricultural machinery (4100 deaths).

The hype level is ridiculous...
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 28 February 2020, 10:11:19
Death by constipation. Now there is a frightening thought.

Theyhad an expert from ABTA  on Sky News this morning.

Q. Does an aeroplane HEPA filter remove corona virus from the air.

A. Airlines don't let passengers on with illnesses. If you feel ill you should tell the steward before boarding and not get on. We remind all travellers of the need for travel insurance.

I can just imagine ringing the “ is it a special hammer” insurance to advise. I didn’t feel too well so excused myself from the return plane journey. You have to pay for my hotel etc.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 28 February 2020, 10:51:02
Picked up this yesterday in local Spanish press

"A 62-year-old man who has been in a Seville hospital for pneumonia since February 20 has been confirmed as the first case of local Covid-19 contagion registered in Spain. The diagnosis is highly significant as it confirms the suspicions of many specialists after the spike in coronavirus cases in Italy: “The virus has been circulating for several days in Spain and we hadn’t detected it,” said the head of infectious diseases at a major Spanish hospital earlier this week.


The patient, who is being treated at the hospital in Seville, is from nearby Huelva and has not left Spain in recent weeks, according to the regional government, who suggested that a “meeting held in Málaga” could have been the origin of his infection."

I think the media have hyped Corona Virus just like they hype everything else. However could any country manage with their GPs and hospitals packed with vulnerable folk ( it isn't just the elderly) suffering from this virus?  Most struggle with what they have from flu and constipation epidemics. ;D 
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 28 February 2020, 11:11:45
A spokesperson from Heinz said, on the news this morning, that they were ready to increase production of baked beans should an epidemic of constipation take hold.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 28 February 2020, 13:44:00
A spokesperson from Heinz said, on the news this morning, that they were ready to increase production of baked beans should an epidemic of constipation take hold.

Plenty of overtime for Andy then!  :y

He'll be able to afford to buy a Merc in a nice colour!  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 28 February 2020, 14:42:49
A spokesperson from Heinz said, on the news this morning, that they were ready to increase production of baked beans should an epidemic of constipation take hold.

Plenty of overtime for Andy then!  :y

He'll be able to afford to buy a Merc in a nice colour!  ;D

I think his car is finished in seventies Leyland Russet brown. :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 28 February 2020, 14:45:36
Amazing isn't it.

Dr G's meter is currently showing 2859 deaths.

That makes Covid-19 slightly more lethal than constipation in the US (2100 deaths) but nowhere near as dangerous as contact with agricultural machinery (4100 deaths).

The hype level is ridiculous...

Eating junk food 24/7 and not knowing what fruit and vegetables are will do this. The average lard-arse yank gets to 600lb and then explodes. :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 28 February 2020, 14:46:00
A spokesperson from Heinz said, on the news this morning, that they were ready to increase production of baked beans should an epidemic of constipation take hold.

Plenty of overtime for Andy then!  :y

He'll be able to afford to buy a Merc in a nice colour!  ;D
his current Merc is too rusty to tart up with a lick of emulsion paint then  :-\  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 28 February 2020, 18:25:10
The Dow dropped 12% in the wake of Sars, yet ended up 19% up on the Pre Sars value by the year end :-X

They'll be telling people not to pop bubble wrap next ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 28 February 2020, 18:33:43
First Coronavirus death in the UK. Little wonder people believe the end of the world is just around the corner FFS.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 28 February 2020, 18:48:56
Complete overreaction, of course, but my missus wouldn't mind schools closing for two months.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Shackeng on 29 February 2020, 18:48:10
You’ll be pleased to know that no checks were carried out on arrivals at LGW this morning. So clearly no worries that it it will spread widely in the UK.  :-X
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Entwood on 29 February 2020, 19:37:32
Only in America ..........

https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/corona-beer-sales-taking-hit-because-coronavirus-outbreak/ORXV24ZXMZAZDJCBIM7K55MRUE/

unbelievable...
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 29 February 2020, 20:08:51
You’ll be pleased to know that no checks were carried out on arrivals at LGW this morning. So clearly no worries that it it will spread widely in the UK.  :-X
Not bowing to media hype more like ;)

Besides, as a former bus driver :P, you know exactly how many different people spread their germs every where on a 150 seat aircraft operating a 6-8 sector day...
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Viral_Jim on 29 February 2020, 20:17:44
Also AIUI you're infectious for a good while before you show any symptoms. So any kind of temperature screening is likely to pull in more people with the flu/sniffles/ other infection than Corona virus.

No doubt that the tabloids will be berating the airports' lack of  action imminently.  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 29 February 2020, 20:35:55
Given that all the symptoms most people will actually suffer with from this virus, most carriers probably won't even know.  ::)

Whilst we are on the subject, more people have recovered than currently have mild symptoms and a quarter of the number or serious/critical cases have actually died...

36,000/35,000 and 8,000/2,500 respectively...  ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 02 March 2020, 19:13:18
I went to Tesco's this afternoon for supplies and noted that the shelves were a bit low on some things like meat pies and eggs, but didn't think too deeply about it.  :)

Then later I noticed #panicbuying trending on Twitter with loads of photos of empty supermarket shelves, especially in Sydney.  ::)

I did buy a couple of extra tins of tuna and a tin of corned beef, just in case like.  :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 02 March 2020, 19:44:28
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I did buy a couple of extra tins of tuna and a tin of corned beef, just in case like.  :y

have you still got the tin of pink salmon in the best/ front room cupboard ,just in case  too  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 02 March 2020, 19:53:51
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I did buy a couple of extra tins of tuna and a tin of corned beef, just in case like.  :y

have you still got the tin of pink salmon in the best/ front room cupboard ,just in case  too  ;D
Them were the days, Dave. Sunday tea, salmon butties and jelly and custard. Used to love it then, can't stand it now. The tinned salmon, not the jelly and ice cream.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 02 March 2020, 20:11:37
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I did buy a couple of extra tins of tuna and a tin of corned beef, just in case like.  :y

have you still got the tin of pink salmon in the best/ front room cupboard ,just in case  too  ;D

Funny you should say that Dave, when I was having clear out after my Mum died a few years ago I found a tin of pink salmon at the back of one of her kitchen cupboards that had clearly been there for a few years.  :)

I kept it, but when I did get round to opening it, it was none too good and went in the bin.  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 02 March 2020, 20:13:04
Wish me luck.

I am flying in to the land of milk, honey and fishes tomorrow. Leaving my safe haven for hospitals and various ill people.  Lets hope it is as safe as the optimists are saying. 👍
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 02 March 2020, 20:17:57
Wish me luck.

I am flying in to the land of milk, honey and fishes tomorrow. Leaving my safe haven for hospitals and various ill people.  Lets hope it is as safe as the optimists are saying. 👍
Look on the bright side, you'll probably have the plane to yourself.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 02 March 2020, 21:13:49


...... tin of pink salmon in the best/ front room cupboard ....
Them were the days, Dave. Sunday tea, salmon butties and jelly and custard. Used to love it then, can't stand it now. The tinned salmon, not the jelly and ice cream.
salmon sandwiches are funeral buffet food , the older we get,the more we eat  :'(
I prefer tin salmon to fresh  :-[
i'm not in an old people's home eating jelly n icecream  yet Uncle Stemo , so you knock yourself out  ;D



Funny you should say that Dave, when I was having clear out after my Mum died a few years ago I found a tin of pink salmon at the back of one of her kitchen cupboards that had clearly been there for a few years.  :)

I kept it, but when I did get round to opening it, it was none too good and went in the bin.  ::)

I think most older people had a secret stash of tinned food ,just in case , probably a result of post WW2 rationing

i'm young , i have a BIG stash of tinned food ,just in case  , probably a result of threats of nothing to eat paranoia  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 03 March 2020, 13:05:53
If I have to self isolate, am I allowed to let the dog out for a shit, or do I have to purchase a chemical toilet?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 03 March 2020, 13:13:50
If I have to self isolate, am I allowed to let the dog out for a shit, or do I have to purchase a chemical toilet?

The army will be around to see to you your dog.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 03 March 2020, 13:34:20
If I have to self isolate, am I allowed to let the dog out for a shit, or do I have to purchase a chemical toilet?

The army will be around to see to you your dog.

I should probably explain: https://time.com/5793363/china-coronavirus-covid19-abandoned-pets-wuhan/?utm_source=reddit.com

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Chen says that when a person in Wuhan is found to have COVID-19 then the authorities kill all animals in the home as a precaution
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 03 March 2020, 18:48:34
And probably the people too, but they will keep that bit quiet.
The news media are in full feeding frenzy mode over this, and its geating really tedious.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 03 March 2020, 19:12:10
Look at the prices anti bacterial hand Gel is selling on ebay auctions  clicky link (https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2060353.m570.l1311.R3.TR11.TRC1.A0.H0.Xantibac.TRS0&_nkw=anti+bacterial+hand+gel&_sacat=0)

£20 for 50ml of dettol  ;D

i made my own hand sanitizer with dettol and water and nail polish remover in a small pump spray bottle 
or pour some dilute antiseptic disinfectant into a pack of baby wipes
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 03 March 2020, 19:23:42
Talking about bringing the Army in tonight on the news, hope their hygiene habits have improved since my day 😃😄😅
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 03 March 2020, 19:31:27
Jeremy Whine described it as a plague yesterday.  ::) 

Dick!  >:(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 03 March 2020, 19:47:46
It will stop folk banging on about climate change for a while.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 03 March 2020, 20:00:27
It will stop folk banging on about climate change for a while.
the germs would die if it was cold  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 03 March 2020, 20:18:58
It will stop folk banging on about climate change for a while.
the germs would die if it was cold  ::)
'Tother way round.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 03 March 2020, 20:20:19
It will stop folk banging on about climate change for a while.
the germs would die if it was cold  ::)
'Tother way round.

boil everything  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 03 March 2020, 21:11:14
It will stop folk banging on about climate change for a while.
the germs would die if it was cold  ::)
'Tother way round.
just heard something about the virus dying if it gets to 26 degrees , so we need MORE global warming
i'm doing my bit , driving a V6 omega  :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: omegod on 03 March 2020, 21:31:22
We are having a sweep in work to see who gets it first  ;D, if no one does it'll go to charity
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 03 March 2020, 21:34:41
We are having a sweep in work to see who gets it first  ;D, if no one does it'll go to charity
What if everyone gets it and dies?  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 03 March 2020, 21:37:36
Like Liverpool are at Chelsea  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 March 2020, 13:08:04
Like Liverpool are at Chelsea  ::)

Given a good hiding by lowly Watford the other day. :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 04 March 2020, 13:17:31
Like Liverpool are at Chelsea  ::)

Given a good hiding by lowly Watford the other day. :)
Yes, I know, painful to watch. I can't see anyone catching us in the race for the premiership, but I don't think we'll end up with the big points difference we have now.
I also don't think we'll win the champions league, although it would be nice  :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 March 2020, 13:21:16
Like Liverpool are at Chelsea  ::)

Given a good hiding by lowly Watford the other day. :)
Yes, I know, painful to watch. I can't see anyone catching us in the race for the premiership, but I don't think we'll end up with the big points difference we have now.
I also don't think we'll win the champions league, although it would be nice  :)

Could be a temporary glitch and normal service will be resumed shortly. It's been 30 years since Liverpool have been champions so more success is due.

When I was at school Leeds United were the team to beat. :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 04 March 2020, 13:23:22
Like Liverpool are at Chelsea  ::)

Given a good hiding by lowly Watford the other day. :)
Yes, I know, painful to watch. I can't see anyone catching us in the race for the premiership, but I don't think we'll end up with the big points difference we have now.
I also don't think we'll win the champions league, although it would be nice  :)

Could be a temporary glitch and normal service will be resumed shortly. It's been 30 years since Liverpool have been champions so more success is due.

When I was at school Leeds United were the team to beat. :y

Who dat den?  :-\                                  :D  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 March 2020, 13:47:56
Like Liverpool are at Chelsea  ::)

Given a good hiding by lowly Watford the other day. :)
Yes, I know, painful to watch. I can't see anyone catching us in the race for the premiership, but I don't think we'll end up with the big points difference we have now.
I also don't think we'll win the champions league, although it would be nice  :)

Could be a temporary glitch and normal service will be resumed shortly. It's been 30 years since Liverpool have been champions so more success is due.

When I was at school Leeds United were the team to beat. :y

Who dat den? :-\                                  :D  ;D

A bunch of dirty f*uckers playing in white shirts. :)

Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 04 March 2020, 14:28:07
Sniffer Clarke, Norman 'bites yer legs' Hunter, Peter Lorimer, to name but a few, managed by the brilliant Don Revie. We played some great games against them, including the 1965 FA cup final...which we won, of course.
Liverpool defender Gerry Byrne broke his collarbone but, as there were no substitutes left, played on and crossed the ball for Liverpool's opening goal, scored by Roger Hunt.
Them was the days.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: scimmy_man on 04 March 2020, 17:29:45
nowadays they are strechered off with a broken nail
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 04 March 2020, 18:26:54
Meanwhile in Australia!  ;D

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-51731422
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 March 2020, 18:37:25
Sniffer Clarke, Norman 'bites yer legs' Hunter, Peter Lorimer, to name but a few, managed by the brilliant Don Revie. We played some great games against them, including the 1965 FA cup final...which we won, of course.
Liverpool defender Gerry Byrne broke his collarbone but, as there were no substitutes left, played on and crossed the ball for Liverpool's opening goal, scored by Roger Hunt.
Them was the days.

Don't forget  Tommie Smith.

Gentle kind soul. :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 04 March 2020, 18:57:56
Sniffer Clarke, Norman 'bites yer legs' Hunter, Peter Lorimer, to name but a few, managed by the brilliant Don Revie. We played some great games against them, including the 1965 FA cup final...which we won, of course.
Liverpool defender Gerry Byrne broke his collarbone but, as there were no substitutes left, played on and crossed the ball for Liverpool's opening goal, scored by Roger Hunt.
Them was the days.

Don't forget  Tommie Smith.

Gentle kind soul. :)
Tommy played for Liverpool, I was talking Leeds players. Roger Hunt, Ian St John, Peter Thompson are the ones that spring to mind.

Are you ready for this? The average footballers wage in 1965 was......£38.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 March 2020, 19:34:58
Sniffer Clarke, Norman 'bites yer legs' Hunter, Peter Lorimer, to name but a few, managed by the brilliant Don Revie. We played some great games against them, including the 1965 FA cup final...which we won, of course.
Liverpool defender Gerry Byrne broke his collarbone but, as there were no substitutes left, played on and crossed the ball for Liverpool's opening goal, scored by Roger Hunt.
Them was the days.

Don't forget  Tommie Smith.

Gentle kind soul. :)
Tommy played for Liverpool, I was talking Leeds players. Roger Hunt, Ian St John, Peter Thompson are the ones that spring to mind.

Are you ready for this? The average footballers wage in 1965 was......£38.

£629 in 2020.

I think Ronaldo and Messi earn more than this. Which is probably why they drive a Veyron rather than a Mk1 Cortina or Morris 1100.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 04 March 2020, 19:47:12
£33,868 in England's top division in 2010. That's as against £38 a week in England's top division in 1965.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 March 2020, 19:53:56
£33,868 in England's top division in 2010. That's as against £38 a week in England's top division in 1965.

......that's not much more than the national average of £26000 PA. ::) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 04 March 2020, 19:56:46
£33,868 in England's top division in 2010. That's as against £38 a week in England's top division in 1965.

......that's not much more than the national average of £26000 PA. ::) ::) ;)
Except that's per week  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 March 2020, 20:14:21
£33,868 in England's top division in 2010. That's as against £38 a week in England's top division in 1965.

......that's not much more than the national average of £26000 PA. ::) ::) ;)
Except that's per week  ;D

.....in 2010. Footballers are paid far more now. Still, they are worth every penny. :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 04 March 2020, 20:20:32
Market forces (although the market is skewed by SKY), the alternative is much worse.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 04 March 2020, 20:35:05
The Telegraph is reporting that Coronavirus has mutated into a much more aggressive disease and now has two strains.  Scientists say that it is possible to catch both strains and one is worse and more contagious than the other.  :-\

Ah well....  :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 March 2020, 20:35:27
Market forces (although the market is skewed by SKY), the alternative is much worse.
.

It's strange how positive market forces don't apply to the low paid.

No business seems to think I want the very best cleaner and I'm willing to pay £50 P/H. Even hotels that charge more than a £5000 a night still only want to pay their cleaners minimum wage.....or less. :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 04 March 2020, 21:51:36
Hmm.. Corona vs Europe, we’ll win we’re bigger aren’t we?? ;D :o
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 04 March 2020, 23:43:17
Market forces (although the market is skewed by SKY), the alternative is much worse.
.

It's strange how positive market forces don't apply to the low paid.

No business seems to think I want the very best cleaner and I'm willing to pay £50 P/H. Even hotels that charge more than a £5000 a night still only want to pay their cleaners minimum wage.....or less. :-\

Market forces do apply to the low paid. If like me your uneducated, low skilled and there is a plentiful supply of people who could do your job, then you aren't going to get paid high wages.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 05 March 2020, 09:35:21
The Telegraph is reporting that Coronavirus has mutated into a much more aggressive disease and now has two strains.  Scientists say that it is possible to catch both strains and one is worse and more contagious than the other.  :-\

Ah well....  :)
It's the end of the world as we know it...

Oh, wait, wasn't that last week  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 05 March 2020, 10:28:23
We had Corona delivered in bottles when we were younger ( apparently).
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 05 March 2020, 11:16:53
They had the first factory a couple of miles from me in Porth Rhondda started by Thomas and Evans,  I’ve drunk gallons of it, and  I’m ok ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 05 March 2020, 12:21:12
Corona pop was brought out by britvic IIRC
there was a big factory in Tamworth
i used to drink loads too and i grew up ok to be a total f**kwit  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 05 March 2020, 12:46:13
Corona pop was brought out by britvic IIRC
there was a big factory in Tamworth
i used to drink loads too and i grew up ok to be a total f**kwit  ;D

Many years ago I lived in Tamworth, close to the factory to where they made the plastic pigs.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 05 March 2020, 12:47:11
Sgt Bilko obviously liked it:

https://youtu.be/nue8j_52M6Q
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 05 March 2020, 12:54:03
Sgt Bilko obviously liked it:

https://youtu.be/nue8j_52M6Q

Was Phil Silvers/Bilko the voice of Top Cat?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 05 March 2020, 13:01:44
Sgt Bilko obviously liked it:

https://youtu.be/nue8j_52M6Q

Was Phil Silvers/Bilko the voice of Top Cat?
That is a very good question. Mr google will know.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 05 March 2020, 13:03:20
Apparently it was Arnold Stang.....who looks remarkably like Phil Silvers.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 05 March 2020, 13:22:19
Apparently it was Arnold Stang.....who looks remarkably like Phil Silvers.

He does......but it isn't Phil.

Never heard of Arnold before now.

Top Cat was Arnold trying to sound like Phil trying to sound like Ernie. :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 05 March 2020, 13:43:20
Corona pop was brought out by britvic IIRC
there was a big factory in Tamworth
i used to drink loads too and i grew up ok to be a total f**kwit  ;D

Many years ago I lived in Tamworth, close to the factory to where they made the plastic pigs.
Basin lane or Two gates ?
i'm from Tamworth
was deported to Derbyshire 10+ years ago
you must have done something REALLY bad to get sent all the way up north to Lincolnshire  :o
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 05 March 2020, 13:45:31
Corona pop was brought out by britvic IIRC
there was a big factory in Tamworth
i used to drink loads too and i grew up ok to be a total f**kwit  ;D

Many years ago I lived in Tamworth, close to the factory to where they made the plastic pigs.
Basin lane or Two gates ?
i'm from Tamworth
was deported to Derbyshire 10+ years ago
you must have done something REALLY bad to get sent all the way up north to Lincolnshire  :o

Two gates on the A5. Close to Devimead where I bought my FJ 1200 from. I'm talking about 1990, so probably changed out of all recognition by now.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 05 March 2020, 13:48:56
Corona pop was brought out by britvic IIRC
there was a big factory in Tamworth
i used to drink loads too and i grew up ok to be a total f**kwit  ;D

Many years ago I lived in Tamworth, close to the factory to where they made the plastic pigs.
Basin lane or Two gates ?
i'm from Tamworth
was deported to Derbyshire 10+ years ago
you must have done something REALLY bad to get sent all the way up north to Lincolnshire  :o

Two gates on the A5.

both "gates" or sides of the factory are tiny shoe box housing estates now
I remember them painting the dirt on verges green to look like grass when the queen visited  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 05 March 2020, 14:37:12
Corona pop was brought out by britvic IIRC
there was a big factory in Tamworth
i used to drink loads too and i grew up ok to be a total f**kwit  ;D
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Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 05 March 2020, 14:40:21
Must have been too much dandelion and burdock ;D ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 05 March 2020, 17:12:25
The totally unnecessary panic is now hitting our shops.

Went to Sainsbury's this afternoon and the toilet roll shelves had been emptied! :o :o :o

I blame the media for this stirring up of a panic mentality, but it is about time a large chunk of the UK population stopped being so stupid!

Just imagine what they would do if WW3 was declared ::) ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 05 March 2020, 17:14:18
Apparently someone was tasered by police in Australia in a fight over loo roll in a supermarket!  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 05 March 2020, 17:18:39
Apparently someone was tasered by police in Australia in a fight over loo roll in a supermarket!  ;D

Not surprised!  The human race in the 21st century, across the World, is just so stupid! ::) ::)

What is wrong with old newspaper as we used as kids? ::) ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 05 March 2020, 17:21:20
The totally unnecessary panic is now hitting our shops.

Went to Sainsbury's this afternoon and the toilet roll shelves had been emptied! :o :o :o

I blame the media for this stirring up of a panic mentality, but it is about time a large chunk of the UK population stopped being so stupid!

Just imagine what they would do if WW3 was declared ::) ::)

Exactly the same at the Sainsbury I visited. :-\

Also, all Ibuprofen gone except Nurofen, which is 10 times the price for exactly the same thing. :D
 
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 05 March 2020, 17:33:30
The shelves in Asda were full of toilet roll on special offer. That's because we still use newspaper up here.  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 05 March 2020, 17:35:53
The shelves in Asda were full of toilet roll on special offer. That's because we still use newspaper up here.  ;D

Quite right! ;D ;D ;D ;D :y

We have more snowflakes down South! ::) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 05 March 2020, 17:40:45
Plus...I haven't heard anything about corona virus giving you the shits. So why toilet roll?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 05 March 2020, 17:42:12
Plus...I haven't heard anything about corona virus giving you the shits. So why toilet roll?

To blow noses I suppose, as Boris and co have stated the importance of "using a tissue and putting it in the bin"! :D :D ;)

Bu essential just the great Joe Public panicking! ::) ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 05 March 2020, 17:43:12
First death in the UK just announced. Now watch the panic really set in.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 05 March 2020, 17:43:50
Plus...I haven't heard anything about corona virus giving you the shits. So why toilet roll?

To blow noses I suppose, as Boris and co have stated the importance of "using a tissue and putting it in the bin"! :D :D ;)

Bu essential just the great Joe Public panicking! ::) ::)
Up here we use old underpants to blow our noses on.  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 05 March 2020, 17:46:30
First death in the UK just announced. Now watch the panic really set in.

Yes, ignoring the fact that the average number of deaths per year in the UK from flue is 17,000.

So just 16,999 to go and then we can panic!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 05 March 2020, 17:47:43
Plus...I haven't heard anything about corona virus giving you the shits. So why toilet roll?

To blow noses I suppose, as Boris and co have stated the importance of "using a tissue and putting it in the bin"! :D :D ;)

Bu essential just the great Joe Public panicking! ::) ::)
Up here we use old underpants to blow our noses on.  ;D

 ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 05 March 2020, 17:52:50
If I got any symptoms, I'd just keep it quiet. I can't be staying indoors with a glorified cold.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 05 March 2020, 17:53:58
Plus...I haven't heard anything about corona virus giving you the shits. So why toilet roll?

To blow noses I suppose, as Boris and co have stated the importance of "using a tissue and putting it in the bin"! :D :D ;)

Bu essential just the great Joe Public panicking! ::) ::)
Up here we use old underpants to blow our noses on.  ;D

 ;D ;D ;D ;)

................Thinking more about that.................that will cause a shortage of underpants, what with those going for PIP and Universal Credit assessments also wearing them on their heads, Black Adder style, to prove they are mad and deserve as much in benefits as possible :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 05 March 2020, 18:06:32
You're supposed to wash your hands when you get home to your 'safe space', but my missus keeps rubbing her hands on my face because she's heard it kills pensioners   :(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 05 March 2020, 18:15:41
You're supposed to wash your hands when you get home to your 'safe space', but my missus keeps rubbing her hands on my face because she's heard it kills pensioners   :(
culpable homicide
does she have lots of life insurance policies out on you too  :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 06 March 2020, 11:15:39
Been to fill up at Asda this morning, not a plastic glove to be had. Just the remains of the cardboard boxes where people have taken the effing lot to protect themselves from the dreaded virus.  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 06 March 2020, 12:37:02
Been to fill up at Asda this morning, not a plastic glove to be had. Just the remains of the cardboard boxes where people have taken the effing lot to protect themselves from the dreaded virus.  ;D

OFFS......too many people seem to think it is the return of the black death. :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 06 March 2020, 12:42:55
The Black Death killed 2 million in England alone between 1348-50 when the population was around 4 million.

You didn't see all the peasants buying up loads of bog roll. :)

75 million killed worldwide.

Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 06 March 2020, 12:44:45
There is evidence that the Black death led to the peasants revolt.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 06 March 2020, 13:01:08
Three posts on the trot. Won't anyone talk yo you?  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 06 March 2020, 13:05:10
Three posts on the trot. Won't anyone talk yo you?  ;D

I suppose you'll have to do if an intellectual is not available. :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 06 March 2020, 13:09:36
Three posts on the trot. Won't anyone talk yo you?  ;D

I suppose you'll have to do if an intellectual is not available. :)
I'm going out with doggie in the lovely sunshine. You just ramble on till I get back. Bye  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 06 March 2020, 13:23:51
Three posts on the trot. Won't anyone talk yo you?  ;D

I suppose you'll have to do if an intellectual is not available. :)
I'm going out with doggie in the lovely sunshine. You just ramble on till I get back. Bye  ;D

Missing you already...... :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 06 March 2020, 14:58:32
Three posts on the trot. Won't anyone talk yo you?  ;D

I suppose you'll have to do if an intellectual is not available. :)
I'm going out with doggie in the lovely sunshine. You just ramble on till I get back. Bye  ;D

I miss being able to do that - not so much when it's pouring with rain and freezing cold, but on a nice day like today it was nice to get out with the pup.. although given his hatred for other dogs, the route was sometimes like a slalom course! ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 06 March 2020, 15:05:42
My dog is 1700 miles away. Apparently he is missing me.

I am too busy trying to buy the last toilet roll to have time to miss him. Asda are having a delivery at ten , queueing starts at 7......

Stats? The Spanish Inquisition killed only 3000. Think how many it would have been if they hadnt been careful.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 06 March 2020, 15:06:23
Right...I'm back. That Opti fella didn't have much to say while I was gone  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 06 March 2020, 15:07:34
My dog is 1700 miles away. Apparently he is missing me.

I am too busy trying to buy the last toilet roll to have time to miss him. Asda are having a delivery at ten , queueing starts at 7......

Stats? The Spanish Inquisition killed only 3000. Think how many it would have been if they hadnt been careful.
Ah.....Torquemada, my hero from history  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 06 March 2020, 15:09:39
Fickin dog is snoring already, the fresh air must've taken it out of her.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 06 March 2020, 15:21:06
Brent crude oil is off 7.5% at $46 a barrel. It probably won't last as OPEC are meeting on Friday with a view to cutting production.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 06 March 2020, 16:05:26
Fickin dog is snoring already, the fresh air must've taken it out of her.

I hope you cleaned up the steaming pile that came out of it's arse end.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 06 March 2020, 19:47:01
My dog is 1700 miles away. Apparently he is missing me.

I am too busy trying to buy the last toilet roll to have time to miss him. Asda are having a delivery at ten , queueing starts at 7......

Stats? The Spanish Inquisition killed only 3000. Think how many it would have been if they hadnt been careful.

That figure Varche should read between 30,000 to 300,000, but even then I have read research by some historians that “millions” actually died.

However, whatever the figures, the Coronavirus will not kill the 50 million (60% of the population) estimated to have died in Europe due to the Black Death 1346 - 1353, or in England from 1348 - 51 when up to 50% of the population died a very horrible death.

Today the World is panicking over nothing more than a good flue outbreak that will thin out the old and weak, and a very small percentage of the 7.7 billion population. Yes some will have to grieve unfortunately, but that is the risk we take in this life, every minute of every day. Stripping supermarket shelves is just plain stupid and selfish >:(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 06 March 2020, 20:08:41
Well over half the 100,000 who have contracted it have fully recovered.

I can't help but wonder if the outbreaks in Iran and Italy haven't been spread by either aid workers or refugees. The absence of any reported cases from Syria is suspicious.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 06 March 2020, 20:10:03
My dog is 1700 miles away. Apparently he is missing me.

I am too busy trying to buy the last toilet roll to have time to miss him. Asda are having a delivery at ten , queueing starts at 7......

Stats? The Spanish Inquisition killed only 3000. Think how many it would have been if they hadnt been careful.

That figure Varche should read between 30,000 to 300,000, but even then I have read research by some historians that “millions” actually died.

However, whatever the figures, the Coronavirus will not kill the 50 million (60% of the population) estimated to have died in Europe due to the Black Death 1346 - 1353, or in England from 1348 - 51 when up to 50% of the population died a very horrible death.

Today the World is panicking over nothing more than a good flue outbreak that will thin out the old and weak, and a very small percentage of the 7.7 billion population. Yes some will have to grieve unfortunately, but that is the risk we take in this life, every minute of every day. Stripping supermarket shelves is just plain stupid and selfish >:(
Yes, every cloud has a silver lining. The Dept for work and pensions will save a fortune in state pension payouts.
There was a minister from the DWP on the radio this aft and, when a 78 year old lady who had been diagnosed with the virus asked him for advice, he said "Get down the bingo with all your mates, it will be fine".  ;D



That's not really true, btw  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 06 March 2020, 20:16:40
Brent crude oil is off 7.5% at $46 a barrel. It probably won't last as OPEC are meeting on Friday with a view to cutting production.

That was this afternoon.  Today is Friday.  :)

HTH.  :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 06 March 2020, 20:18:28
Well over half the 100,000 who have contracted it have fully recovered.

I can't help but wonder if the outbreaks in Iran and Italy haven't been spread by either aid workers or refugees. The absence of any reported cases from Syria is suspicious.

That’s probably because they have a war causing mass deaths to worry about rather than a bad cold :
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 06 March 2020, 20:19:10
Brent crude oil is off 7.5% at $46 a barrel. It probably won't last as OPEC are meeting on Friday with a view to cutting production.

That was this afternoon.  Today is Friday.  :)

HTH.  :y
Thanks, young Tigger, I can always rely on you to keep me straight. ;D
What did they decide?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 06 March 2020, 20:22:17
Anyway.....no one's asked the burning question yet.

Man flu or corona virus.....which is worse?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 06 March 2020, 20:26:24


.......and yes the following link shows the true picture across the World to date:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Note that China, with a population of 1.4 billion and the first to have the virus has suffered.....................3,042 deaths.  That says it all for me ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 06 March 2020, 20:31:11
Brent crude oil is off 7.5% at $46 a barrel. It probably won't last as OPEC are meeting on Friday with a view to cutting production.

That was this afternoon.  Today is Friday.  :)

HTH.  :y
Thanks, young Tigger, I can always rely on you to keep me straight. ;D
What did they decide?

They couldn't make a decision as the Russians wouldn't play ball and then they considered kicking the Russians out but couldn't make their mind up about that either!  :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 06 March 2020, 20:37:45
Brent crude oil is off 7.5% at $46 a barrel. It probably won't last as OPEC are meeting on Friday with a view to cutting production.

That was this afternoon.  Today is Friday.  :)

HTH.  :y
Thanks, young Tigger, I can always rely on you to keep me straight. ;D
What did they decide?

They couldn't make a decision as the Russians wouldn't play ball and then they considered kicking the Russians out but couldn't make their mind up about that either!  :)
I'm not talking about our government, I'm talking about OPEC  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 06 March 2020, 20:43:01
That's probably why Brent crude is off 9.5% right now.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 06 March 2020, 21:00:22
Yes OPEC has to a certain extent been neutered by the Yanks who will open their taps as OPEC countries close theirs.  :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 06 March 2020, 21:05:42
A local BP filling station, normally 2p per litre above the major supermarket prices, this afternoon went down to 121.9 for unleaded :D ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 06 March 2020, 21:15:17
A local BP filling station, normally 2p per litre above the major supermarket prices, this afternoon went down to 121.9 for unleaded :D ;)
That's 3.2 pence above Asda, then.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 06 March 2020, 21:21:29
An Australian newspaper has come up with an amusing solution to the toilet roll crisis!  :y

Aussie bog roll clicky (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/05/world/coronavirus-australia-toilet-paper-scli-intl/index.html?utm_content=2020-03-06T21%3A11%3A25&utm_term=link&utm_source=twCNN&utm_medium=social)

Not just Down Under, I popped to Tesco's this afternoon and there was no bog roll...  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 06 March 2020, 21:53:19
An Australian newspaper has come up with an amusing solution to the toilet roll crisis!  :y

Aussie bog roll clicky (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/05/world/coronavirus-australia-toilet-paper-scli-intl/index.html?utm_content=2020-03-06T21%3A11%3A25&utm_term=link&utm_source=twCNN&utm_medium=social)

Not just Down Under, I popped to Tesco's this afternoon and there was no bog roll...  ::)
But why? I just do not get it. Does everyone think they're gonna be sat on the bog for 14 days?  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: BazaJT on 06 March 2020, 22:04:25
There's no cure for stupid is there?? Petrol here at £116.8p this afternoon,but given crude prices have dropped something like 30% since January why haven't petrol prices dropped more than they have?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 06 March 2020, 23:53:30
Because most of the pump price is tax and that doesn't drop.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Nick W on 07 March 2020, 09:45:23
There's no cure for stupid is there?? Petrol here at £116.8p this afternoon,but given crude prices have dropped something like 30% since January why haven't petrol prices dropped more than they have?


because the fuel already in the system cost the current owners the old price.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 07 March 2020, 14:34:31
Because most of the pump price is tax and that doesn't drop.

Tax and VAT along with a generous dose of f*uck the general public tax.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 07 March 2020, 22:56:21
A small town in northern Spain now has a “ lock down” following an outbreak suspected from a funeral ( wouldn’t surprise me as lots of kissing and hugging).

Some weeks back I asked what a lock down looks like. Well in El Haro it is police patrolling the streets and fines between 3000 euros up to 600,000  for none observance. Panic stockpiling anyone?

Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 07 March 2020, 23:44:44
Hope they have plenty of bog roll!  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Entwood on 08 March 2020, 00:15:50
16 million in lock down in Italy ....

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51787238

now that's LOT of bog roll .......
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: New POD on 08 March 2020, 07:34:00
For years, I've taken the piss out of my father in law who has a stock of essentials.
Last summer I needed something from.his garage.
Bog rolls? I estimate 250.
Bells whisky 40 litres
Tinned sardines in tomatoes sauce.
100 plus tins.
I was in Tesco and they had a deal on Grants worst blended. So I bought him 2 bottles.

Anyway, I had a look in my Christmas freezer, ain our garage and I found a goose.


Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 08 March 2020, 07:56:53
(https://i.ibb.co/4jFCW7M/2-E338979-FB3-D-4-D23-AE0-F-2-B2006-C15-EED.jpg) (https://ibb.co/190BZLK)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 08 March 2020, 08:30:11
No, that's just every day life, eh STEMO? :P
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 08 March 2020, 09:00:06
No, that's just every day life, eh STEMO? :P
Not since I had the cork and tap off a beer barrel fitted. ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: ronnyd on 08 March 2020, 15:14:40
For years, I've taken the piss out of my father in law who has a stock of essentials.
Last summer I needed something from.his garage.
Bog rolls? I estimate 250.
Bells whisky 40 litres
Tinned sardines in tomatoes sauce.
100 plus tins.
I was in Tesco and they had a deal on Grants worst blended. So I bought him 2 bottles.

Anyway, I had a look in my Christmas freezer, ain our garage and I found a goose.



Why?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 08 March 2020, 15:27:02
For years, I've taken the piss out of my father in law who has a stock of essentials.
Last summer I needed something from.his garage.
Bog rolls? I estimate 250.
Bells whisky 40 litres
Tinned sardines in tomatoes sauce.
100 plus tins.
I was in Tesco and they had a deal on Grants worst blended. So I bought him 2 bottles.

Anyway, I had a look in my Christmas freezer, ain our garage and I found a goose.



Why?
Disease, pestilence, war..........always look better with a bottle of whiskey inside you  :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: ronnyd on 08 March 2020, 16:08:11
Deffo  ;D , but he's got 40 litres of Bells already.  :o  Unless he's going to use it in the car when oil production closes down. :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 08 March 2020, 23:40:07
At least no-one is talking about Brexit anymore * so every cloud...…


* The Limpdems asked Boris to extend the transition period last week to allow the country to concentrate on dealing with Covid 19.
Theres opportunism and theres sick. You decide.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 08 March 2020, 23:47:52
Crikey, who would have thought it possible to hear Covid 19 and Brexit in the same sentence.?

Might be time to start blaming anything that goes wrong on Covid 19 ?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 09 March 2020, 06:43:43
Brent crude has plummeted by 26%, yes, 26% to $33 a barrel. Wow.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 09 March 2020, 07:49:23
Might be a very good time to buy. Although who is to say it wont keep falling ?
UK futures down 6.3% this morning !
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 09 March 2020, 08:03:41
Brent crude has plummeted by 26%, yes, 26% to $33 a barrel. Wow.


 Price at the pump hasn't, robbing bastids,,, Time to buy a green V8, :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 09 March 2020, 08:54:41
Brent crude has plummeted by 26%, yes, 26% to $33 a barrel. Wow.


 Price at the pump hasn't, robbing bastids,,, Time to buy a green V8, :y

You wait for the Greenies to start yelling that we need to increase fuel duty!  >:(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 09 March 2020, 10:30:53
Brent crude has plummeted by 26%, yes, 26% to $33 a barrel. Wow.


 Price at the pump hasn't, robbing bastids,,, Time to buy a green V8, :y

You wait for the Greenies to start yelling that we need to increase fuel duty!  >:(

 That's something that the chancellor in resident, dare not do, because that will get Boris lynched, better off putting 1p on income tax, and calling it an NHS ringfenced contribution.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 09 March 2020, 11:11:16
I wouldn't be at all surprised if he put fuel duty up in the budget.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 09 March 2020, 11:32:09
I wouldn't be at all surprised if he put fuel duty up in the budget.
Me neither. The only thing that may stop him in this budget is the impact it could have on already stretched haulage companies.
It's got to happen, though, you can't bang on about climate change and keep freezing fuel duty.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 09 March 2020, 12:49:34
I wouldn't be at all surprised if he put fuel duty up in the budget.
Me neither. The only thing that may stop him in this budget is the impact it could have on already stretched haulage companies.
It's got to happen, though, you can't bang on about climate change and keep freezing fuel duty.

Not that putting a penny on fuel duty will make an iota of difference to floods, droughts or biblical pestilence.  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 09 March 2020, 12:53:29
I wouldn't be at all surprised if he put fuel duty up in the budget.
Me neither. The only thing that may stop him in this budget is the impact it could have on already stretched haulage companies.
It's got to happen, though, you can't bang on about climate change and keep freezing fuel duty.

Not that putting a penny on fuel duty will make an iota of difference to floods, droughts or biblical pestilence.  ::)
In my opinion, not much at all is going to make a difference, but it's a case of showing the buttercups that you're thinking of them.  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 09 March 2020, 23:40:33
Whole of Italy to be “ locked down”.

Was anyone thinking of venturing abroad at Easter..........?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Steve B on 10 March 2020, 00:02:02
Am i out of order or being racist or any of them new meanings the worlds comes up with by saying "This is all owing to the chinese disgusting eating habits" ? or am i just being naive...
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rods2 on 10 March 2020, 01:10:45
Incase anybody is still under the illusion this is like a mild dose of influenza here are some stats on mortality by age group:

Influenza

AgeMortality %
0-40.01
5-170.01
18-490.06
50-640.06
65+0.83

Covid-19

AgeMortality %xTimes More Deadly
0-900
10-190.220
20-290.210
30-390.210
40-490.420
50-591.321.68
60-653.660*
65-693.64.30*
70-798%9.6
80+14.817.8
*statistical anomaly due to the different age bands.

These use the Chinese figures from the Worldometer site which has been updated with some mortality rates for confirmed cases. In the UK there are typically 17,000 additional deaths during the winter Influenza season, mainly in the over 65s. Covid-19 death rates start ramping up from 45 & really accelerate beyond 60-65. Common factors are age, chronic medical conditions & (probably smoking rates (& even if you have given up that increases once below 20 years since you gave up according to NYC heath officials)). I haven't done any back of the envelop calculations here as they certainly won't cheer anybody up, but start adding zeros to 17,000. :o

CountryMale Smoking %X. Confirmed CasesY. RecoveredZ. Deaths(Z / X)%(Z / Y)%(Z / (Y + Z))%
China50%+80,73558,7353,1203.865.315.04
Italy25.49,1727244635.0463.9539.00
South Korea40.77,478118530.7144.9132.91
Iran23.47,1612,3942373.319.809.01
UK16.53211841.2522.2218.18

In the UK those that haven't done their preparation over the last 3 to 5 weeks when it was obvious it was going to get worse & probably be a pandemic, have left it much too late. Fortunately, I was ahead of the curve here with buying 100 disposable masks, 10 x safety glasses, 3 x 500ml sanitiser, 2 x tubs of sanitiser creme (easy to use when out & about), N95/P3 sealing respirator, with case & spare filters, sealing safety goggles, (I always keep a box of 100's disposable gloves to hand for when working on cars etc.), 30-60 at a stretch 90 days of lockdown tinned, dried & frozen food & other essential supplies when there were no shortages or price hikes.

UK confirmed cases are doubling every 3 days, so quarantine will in IMV start within 14 days & as like in Italy death rates will escalate rapidly where the NHS is overwhelmed where beds, but especially ICUs for the 1000's of critical viral pneumonia cases fall well short of demand. It is going to be everybody for themselves, so good luck to all on here. :o :( UK guidelines suggest that ICU use will be decided by patient scoring & those that fall outside of this offered pallitive care while they get on with the inportant job of dying (or if very lucky surviving)! ??? :-[ :( :'(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 10 March 2020, 07:41:31
You're a ray of sunshine today, Rods!
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Shackeng on 10 March 2020, 08:01:35
I’ll say cheerio now then. It’s been fun. :y :y :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 10 March 2020, 08:05:56
Morrisons at Scarborough still had toilet rolls, plenty of whisky but had sold out of rose tinted glasses.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 10 March 2020, 08:51:34
I think Rods raises some excellent points  :y
it's a complete SH*Tstorm   :(
I wanted to own a RWD big Vauxhall till the day I die ,not have to drive a FWD euro-****box or van
turns out i probably will , and won't even have to re MOT it  ;D

Be safe out there people ,be extra careful not to spread the snot plague to the old and infirm
oh wait  :-[  that's most of OOF  ;D

but seriously , good luck everyone

Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rods2 on 10 March 2020, 09:43:13
I think we all know this is a sh*t sandwich as none of us have any inherent resistance to this new virus! But if you want the real gloomy news Chinese industrial output is down 17.2% in the last quarter, where in comparison we lost ~8% over a year in 2008. The virus is also going to cause an unpresented global recession with the Eurozone the worst placed to weather this. Thank god we have left the EU so we won't get dragged into this, err no, traitors May & Hammond disgracefully, unnecessary, for no UK gain, signed us up for £1tn of EU financial guarantees which will totally fubar our economy as well & take mega high tax generations to pay off. >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 10 March 2020, 10:07:59
I’m amazed by the attitude that most people seem to give off regarding this whole virus ordeal. Especially those who shrug it off and say something along the lines of “it only affects the elderly or people with underlying health conditions” As if it’s okay for them to die  ??? :-\....... The virus itself has the potential to kill anyone who gets it... If the virus doesn’t take you down that doesn’t mean it’s the end either... As Rods states this will cause a recession that will be felt for years. Well for those who survive it at least.... It’s not everyday you hear a whole country has been put on lockdown for a “common cold”  ::)

At least the government has been giving out useful advice ::). Sing happy birthday and wash your hands.  ;D ...Yeah that will help to a certain degree but it’s airborne as well.

Would also help if people would stay grounded and not go galavanting all over the world. Too late now, But would have potentially helped slow down the spread. But that’s selfish human nature for you.

Anyway, For those who are more at risk take care  :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 10 March 2020, 10:20:36
Dear, dear me. We might as well all give up now.

Face masks are useless, by the way  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rods2 on 10 March 2020, 11:08:47
Dear, dear me. We might as well all give up now.

Face masks are useless, by the way  ::)

Err, no they are not, but they are designed protect others from your Covid-19 spreading output & not to protect you, which is also why health workers wear masks to protect you from their germs & viruses. N95/P3 Respirators are not statistically better than face masks, but nobody has actually analysed why? Is it due to poor hygiene after taking them off? No eye protection? They should in theory offer much better protection where they seal your face so 95%+ down to 3 micrometres of particles, germs & viruses are removed when used along with sealing safety goggles and unlike single use masks they are washable with soap & water.

http://emag.medicalexpo.com/which-masks-actually-protect-against-coronavirus/ (http://emag.medicalexpo.com/which-masks-actually-protect-against-coronavirus/)

For those with a Sh*tter account, this is why washing your hands with soap & water (better than sanitisers) is so awesomely effective at the microbiological level in killing Covid-19 & other viruses:

https://twitter.com/PalliThordarson/status/1236549305189597189 (https://twitter.com/PalliThordarson/status/1236549305189597189)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 10 March 2020, 11:41:46
Rather than all the pussy footing around abject panic,

If this has a two week shelf life, why not say that for two weeks from April 1st, no one is allowed out. In the meantime commandeer the Heinz factory and deliver 48tins on beans and soup to every vulnerable person and ration sales in retailers so that you can only visit once a week, and then only purchase a maximum of two weeks supplies per household. That way, everyone will have what they need for the two week shut down.

As you can't shoot people yet, declare martial law and quarantine anyone found on the streets during the first two weeks of April and isolate them for a month.

This would also allow companies to prepare to shut down for a fortnight rather than randomly losing staff for two weeks at a time.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 10 March 2020, 11:56:38
https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237142891077697538?s=19

I'm honestly getting a little tired of the constant stream (here and elsewhere) of WE ARE ALL DOOMED TO DIE - if we are all that doomed, might as well just hang ourselves now and save the NHS the trouble of having us coughing up blood on a hallway floor, right?

Or, I guess, Al's suggestion. I quite like beans on toast. Going to have to buy a lot of bread, though, and freeze it.. which is exactly what one lady was doing in Morrisons last night - she had a trolley full of bread..
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 10 March 2020, 12:11:47
https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237142891077697538?s=19

I'm honestly getting a little tired of the constant stream (here and elsewhere) of WE ARE ALL DOOMED TO DIE - if we are all that doomed, might as well just hang ourselves now and save the NHS the trouble of having us coughing up blood on a hallway floor, right?

Or, I guess, Al's suggestion. I quite like beans on toast. Going to have to buy a lot of bread, though, and freeze it.. which is exactly what one lady was doing in Morrisons last night - she had a trolley full of bread..
My opinion of a few people has certainly changed, Aaron. Never seen such an outbreak of wimpishness. I'll be getting about my business as usual, until they lock me up or shoot me.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 10 March 2020, 12:35:33
My opinion of a few people has certainly changed, Aaron. Never seen such an outbreak of wimpishness. I'll be getting about my business as usual, until they lock me up or shoot me.

Definitely an epidemic of that going on. A friend of mine is convinced that 3.5% of the global population will die and the only solution is to confine ourselves to barracks until it's all blown over..

Meanwhile, I popped to the post office at lunch to overhear a talk-style radio show telling everyone that this is basically the sniffles and unless you are old/infirmed/smoker/heavy drinker, you'll be fine.

[edit] If anyone wants to get it over and done with: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-vaccine-race-volunteers-to-be-infected-in-the-uk-ck0s72x8k

£3500 and 14 days quarantine .. you'll only feel a slight prick.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 10 March 2020, 12:58:35
I can't really take this junior virus seriously.

A good dose of the 1348-50 black death would soon put things into perspective. ::)

Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 10 March 2020, 13:01:25
Here's a pertinent question...

How do you know if you have this versus a normal cold/flu?

And at what point should you self isolate.

I mean, normally you take some Lemsip capsules, buy an extra box of tissues or two and carry on about day to day shit like going to work and shopping etc.

So if you think you might be coming down with the sniffles,  should you immediately confine yourself to a fortnight of Netflix with Domino's on speed dial...

After all going to work with a cold is normal, but if it transpires that you have contracted the Black Death, then work wouldn't be too impressed...
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 10 March 2020, 13:03:54
Here's a pertinent question...

How do you know if you have this versus a normal cold/flu?

And at what point should you self isolate.

I mean, normally you take some Lemsip capsules, buy an extra box of tissues or two and carry on about day to day shit like going to work and shopping etc.

So if you think you might be coming down with the sniffles,  should you immediately confine yourself to a fortnight of Netflix with Domino's on speed dial...

After all going to work with a cold is normal, but if it transpires that you have contracted the Black Death, then work wouldn't be too impressed...

Is it wise to knock one out when feeling weak..... ::) ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 10 March 2020, 13:07:35
My sister arrived back from Italy last night. Her employer, John Lewis, have told her to self isolate for two weeks, with pay. She didn't sound too unhappy about this.  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 10 March 2020, 13:11:45
My employer confirmed that they will pay ssp from day one.

Which given their legal obligations, is incredibly generous  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 10 March 2020, 13:16:19
https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237142891077697538?s=19



Or, I guess, Al's suggestion. I quite like beans on toast. Going to have to buy a lot of bread, though, and freeze it.. which is exactly what one lady was doing in Morrisons last night - she had a trolley full of bread..

2 weeks of beanz on toast for everyone in the country  :o
what about climate change , all that gas  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 10 March 2020, 13:26:03
Im not at all worried about it myself, but I am a bit concerned for my daughter. She lives and works in central London and has been an asthmatic all her life. Ive given her all the warnings and advice I would completely ignore myself.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 10 March 2020, 13:34:18
Here's a pertinent question...

How do you know if you have this versus a normal cold/flu?

And at what point should you self isolate.

I mean, normally you take some Lemsip capsules, buy an extra box of tissues or two and carry on about day to day shit like going to work and shopping etc.

So if you think you might be coming down with the sniffles,  should you immediately confine yourself to a fortnight of Netflix with Domino's on speed dial...

After all going to work with a cold is normal, but if it transpires that you have contracted the Black Death, then work wouldn't be too impressed...

Is it wise to knock one out when feeling weak..... ::) ;D

 ;D ;D ;D Thanks, that made I laugh out loud, that did ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 10 March 2020, 13:38:42
Im not at all worried about it myself, but I am a bit concerned for my daughter. She lives and works in central London and has been an asthmatic all her life. Ive given her all the warnings and advice I would completely ignore myself.
spot on
most people will be fine if they do catch it (other than the financial implications of time off)
but the more that catch it ,the more chance vulnerable people who come into contact with them are likely to catch it

hence trying to limit the spread is vital
but the horse has left the building  :'(

time to isolate the old and people with breathing problems etc
care home that my daughter works at have shut the doors to visitors  :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 10 March 2020, 13:41:05
care home that my daughter works at have shut the doors to visitors  :y

I hope that doesn't have the same effect as the prisons in Italy .. although I guess her residents (yes, that's what they call them in prisons these days, too) are less likely to riot!
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 10 March 2020, 13:45:52
care home that my daughter works at have shut the doors to visitors  :y

I hope that doesn't have the same effect as the prisons in Italy .. although I guess her residents (yes, that's what they call them in prisons these days, too) are less likely to riot!
I'm sure she will tranquilizer gun any offenders ,confiscate zimmer frames and other weapons  ;D
 
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rods2 on 10 March 2020, 14:28:42
https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237142891077697538?s=19

I'm honestly getting a little tired of the constant stream (here and elsewhere) of WE ARE ALL DOOMED TO DIE - if we are all that doomed, might as well just hang ourselves now and save the NHS the trouble of having us coughing up blood on a hallway floor, right?

Or, I guess, Al's suggestion. I quite like beans on toast. Going to have to buy a lot of bread, though, and freeze it.. which is exactly what one lady was doing in Morrisons last night - she had a trolley full of bread..

Outside of the mainstream media histeria bubble I think anybody is anymore than concerned. 80% of confirmed cases are mild, 15% severe & 5% critical. 50% of the critical ones die. The Chinese statistics are in the article below:

https://theanaesthesia.blog/2020/03/09/the-uk-covid-19-epidemic-time-to-plan-and-time-to-act/#comments (https://theanaesthesia.blog/2020/03/09/the-uk-covid-19-epidemic-time-to-plan-and-time-to-act/#comments)

What is clear is that Italian hospitals have been overwhelmed & they have double the number of critical care ICU beds compared to the UK where we have the lowest in Europe. In Italy if you have any of the chronic conditions on the list, you will not get any ICU, the same will apply in the UK in 7-21 days when cases are 10,000+. :o :(

All countries have made the same mistake as China in not clamping down fast enough so R0 > 1 & it will keep spreading until isolation makes R0 < 1, like is now occurring in China.

Statistics are just numbers until it is you, family or friends dying & at that point the statistics become very personal. Again looking a China mass isolation to the epidemic under control takes about 3 months. So we will hopefully be over the worst by July-August time.

What nobody is discussing is the economic impact as that will affect everybody in the world, where it is going to cause a global recession. As an example Chinese y-o-y industrial output is 17.2% down in 3 months where the UK in 2008 had an 8% drop in GDP over 12 months. So expect this to be worse than then. Europe & the Eurozone is in a particularly bad place here as the article below explains & traitors May & Hammond have committed the UK to up to about £1tn of potential EU liabilities, which won't be paid back in our lifetimes even with much higher taxes:

https://gnseconomics.com/en_US/2020/02/10/the-stages-of-the-collapse/ (https://gnseconomics.com/en_US/2020/02/10/the-stages-of-the-collapse/)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 10 March 2020, 14:45:13
https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237142891077697538?s=19

I'm honestly getting a little tired of the constant stream (here and elsewhere) of WE ARE ALL DOOMED TO DIE - if we are all that doomed, might as well just hang ourselves now and save the NHS the trouble of having us coughing up blood on a hallway floor, right?

Or, I guess, Al's suggestion. I quite like beans on toast. Going to have to buy a lot of bread, though, and freeze it.. which is exactly what one lady was doing in Morrisons last night - she had a trolley full of bread..

Outside of the mainstream media histeria bubble I think anybody is anymore than concerned. 80% of confirmed cases are mild, 15% severe & 5% critical. 50% of the critical ones die. The Chinese statistics are in the article below:

https://theanaesthesia.blog/2020/03/09/the-uk-covid-19-epidemic-time-to-plan-and-time-to-act/#comments (https://theanaesthesia.blog/2020/03/09/the-uk-covid-19-epidemic-time-to-plan-and-time-to-act/#comments)

What is clear is that Italian hospitals have been overwhelmed & they have double the number of critical care ICU beds compared to the UK where we have the lowest in Europe. In Italy if you have any of the chronic conditions on the list, you will not get any ICU, the same will apply in the UK in 7-21 days when cases are 10,000+. :o :(

All countries have made the same mistake as China in not clamping down fast enough so R0 > 1 & it will keep spreading until isolation makes R0 < 1, like is now occurring in China.

Statistics are just numbers until it is you, family or friends dying & at that point the statistics become very personal. Again looking a China mass isolation to the epidemic under control takes about 3 months. So we will hopefully be over the worst by July-August time.

What nobody is discussing is the economic impact as that will affect everybody in the world, where it is going to cause a global recession. As an example Chinese y-o-y industrial output is 17.2% down in 3 months where the UK in 2008 had an 8% drop in GDP over 12 months. So expect this to be worse than then. Europe & the Eurozone is in a particularly bad place here as the article below explains & traitors May & Hammond have committed the UK to up to about £1tn of potential EU liabilities, which won't be paid back in our lifetimes even with much higher taxes:

https://gnseconomics.com/en_US/2020/02/10/the-stages-of-the-collapse/ (https://gnseconomics.com/en_US/2020/02/10/the-stages-of-the-collapse/)
I'm going to remember that.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 10 March 2020, 14:55:09
Im not at all worried about it myself, but I am a bit concerned for my daughter. She lives and works in central London and has been an asthmatic all her life. Ive given her all the warnings and advice I would completely ignore myself.

Too true :y

I have three in my family who are considered very vulnerable to such health issues, then there is me at my age with my own health issues, but that just is life or death we live with. Yes it concerns me about those vulnerable relatives, but panicking or greatly worrying yourself half to death over a rather mild threat to all on Earth, compared to many other risks we have, and will always face to human life, will change nothing and does not alter the basic fact we WILL ALL die in due course. Black Death, The Great Plague, WW1, Spanish Flue, WW2 has killed millions, and millions more will die as intended in our tightrope existence as human beings.

That is a fact; the date and time of our demise is already written, as many who survive war, as I have the pleasure to have met in my life, get to believe when everyone around them gets killed, but fantastically they escape the reaper.  With my belief in God I let my faith give me reassurance about what may or may not happen tomorrow; what will be will be; I cannot change that. It may cause great grief, especially when the young die, as is happening everyday, and especially in war torn regions like Syria. A mild virus is the last of their worries!  If someone has a different faith and belief, I am sure they will still come to the conclusion that what will be will be, and death is guaranteed at some stage!

I agree that I have become amused, bewildered, and in a way angry as to how fellow Brits have forgotten our traditional traits and failed to support the World War stoicism displayed by my grand parents and parents, with Keep Calm and Carry On the national message whilst Digging for Victory etc. My forebears and many others would be most bemused over the panic buying of toilet rolls!

Statistics will be published, predictions made, doom and gloom preached by some, and the media will continue to fuel the panic, but one thing for sure you and I can do SFA about it! ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 10 March 2020, 15:11:47
https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237142891077697538?s=19

I'm honestly getting a little tired of the constant stream (here and elsewhere) of WE ARE ALL DOOMED TO DIE - if we are all that doomed, might as well just hang ourselves now and save the NHS the trouble of having us coughing up blood on a hallway floor, right?

Or, I guess, Al's suggestion. I quite like beans on toast. Going to have to buy a lot of bread, though, and freeze it.. which is exactly what one lady was doing in Morrisons last night - she had a trolley full of bread..

Outside of the mainstream media histeria bubble I think anybody is anymore than concerned. 80% of confirmed cases are mild, 15% severe & 5% critical. 50% of the critical ones die. The Chinese statistics are in the article below:

https://theanaesthesia.blog/2020/03/09/the-uk-covid-19-epidemic-time-to-plan-and-time-to-act/#comments (https://theanaesthesia.blog/2020/03/09/the-uk-covid-19-epidemic-time-to-plan-and-time-to-act/#comments)

What is clear is that Italian hospitals have been overwhelmed & they have double the number of critical care ICU beds compared to the UK where we have the lowest in Europe. In Italy if you have any of the chronic conditions on the list, you will not get any ICU, the same will apply in the UK in 7-21 days when cases are 10,000+. :o :(

All countries have made the same mistake as China in not clamping down fast enough so R0 > 1 & it will keep spreading until isolation makes R0 < 1, like is now occurring in China.

Statistics are just numbers until it is you, family or friends dying & at that point the statistics become very personal. Again looking a China mass isolation to the epidemic under control takes about 3 months. So we will hopefully be over the worst by July-August time.

What nobody is discussing is the economic impact as that will affect everybody in the world, where it is going to cause a global recession. As an example Chinese y-o-y industrial output is 17.2% down in 3 months where the UK in 2008 had an 8% drop in GDP over 12 months. So expect this to be worse than then. Europe & the Eurozone is in a particularly bad place here as the article below explains & traitors May & Hammond have committed the UK to up to about £1tn of potential EU liabilities, which won't be paid back in our lifetimes even with much higher taxes:

https://gnseconomics.com/en_US/2020/02/10/the-stages-of-the-collapse/ (https://gnseconomics.com/en_US/2020/02/10/the-stages-of-the-collapse/)
I'm going to remember that.
And, if it turns out to be right, I'm going to re-quote and alter it  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 10 March 2020, 15:28:28
https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237142891077697538?s=19

I'm honestly getting a little tired of the constant stream (here and elsewhere) of WE ARE ALL DOOMED TO DIE - if we are all that doomed, might as well just hang ourselves now and save the NHS the trouble of having us coughing up blood on a hallway floor, right?

Or, I guess, Al's suggestion. I quite like beans on toast. Going to have to buy a lot of bread, though, and freeze it.. which is exactly what one lady was doing in Morrisons last night - she had a trolley full of bread..

Outside of the mainstream media histeria bubble I think anybody is anymore than concerned. 80% of confirmed cases are mild, 15% severe & 5% critical. 50% of the critical ones die. The Chinese statistics are in the article below:

https://theanaesthesia.blog/2020/03/09/the-uk-covid-19-epidemic-time-to-plan-and-time-to-act/#comments (https://theanaesthesia.blog/2020/03/09/the-uk-covid-19-epidemic-time-to-plan-and-time-to-act/#comments)

What is clear is that Italian hospitals have been overwhelmed & they have double the number of critical care ICU beds compared to the UK where we have the lowest in Europe. In Italy if you have any of the chronic conditions on the list, you will not get any ICU, the same will apply in the UK in 7-21 days when cases are 10,000+. :o :(

All countries have made the same mistake as China in not clamping down fast enough so R0 > 1 & it will keep spreading until isolation makes R0 < 1, like is now occurring in China.

Statistics are just numbers until it is you, family or friends dying & at that point the statistics become very personal. Again looking a China mass isolation to the epidemic under control takes about 3 months. So we will hopefully be over the worst by July-August time.

What nobody is discussing is the economic impact as that will affect everybody in the world, where it is going to cause a global recession. As an example Chinese y-o-y industrial output is 17.2% down in 3 months where the UK in 2008 had an 8% drop in GDP over 12 months. So expect this to be worse than then. Europe & the Eurozone is in a particularly bad place here as the article below explains & traitors May & Hammond have committed the UK to up to about £1tn of potential EU liabilities, which won't be paid back in our lifetimes even with much higher taxes:

https://gnseconomics.com/en_US/2020/02/10/the-stages-of-the-collapse/ (https://gnseconomics.com/en_US/2020/02/10/the-stages-of-the-collapse/)
I'm going to remember that.
And, if it turns out to be right, I'm going to re-quote and alter it  ;D

If you're still here!  :P  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rods2 on 10 March 2020, 15:30:17
https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237142891077697538?s=19

I'm honestly getting a little tired of the constant stream (here and elsewhere) of WE ARE ALL DOOMED TO DIE - if we are all that doomed, might as well just hang ourselves now and save the NHS the trouble of having us coughing up blood on a hallway floor, right?

Or, I guess, Al's suggestion. I quite like beans on toast. Going to have to buy a lot of bread, though, and freeze it.. which is exactly what one lady was doing in Morrisons last night - she had a trolley full of bread..

Outside of the mainstream media histeria bubble I think anybody is anymore than concerned. 80% of confirmed cases are mild, 15% severe & 5% critical. 50% of the critical ones die. The Chinese statistics are in the article below:

https://theanaesthesia.blog/2020/03/09/the-uk-covid-19-epidemic-time-to-plan-and-time-to-act/#comments (https://theanaesthesia.blog/2020/03/09/the-uk-covid-19-epidemic-time-to-plan-and-time-to-act/#comments)

What is clear is that Italian hospitals have been overwhelmed & they have double the number of critical care ICU beds compared to the UK where we have the lowest in Europe. In Italy if you have any of the chronic conditions on the list, you will not get any ICU, the same will apply in the UK in 7-21 days when cases are 10,000+. :o :(

All countries have made the same mistake as China in not clamping down fast enough so R0 > 1 & it will keep spreading until isolation makes R0 < 1, like is now occurring in China.

Statistics are just numbers until it is you, family or friends dying & at that point the statistics become very personal. Again looking a China mass isolation to the epidemic under control takes about 3 months. So we will hopefully be over the worst by July-August time.

What nobody is discussing is the economic impact as that will affect everybody in the world, where it is going to cause a global recession. As an example Chinese y-o-y industrial output is 17.2% down in 3 months where the UK in 2008 had an 8% drop in GDP over 12 months. So expect this to be worse than then. Europe & the Eurozone is in a particularly bad place here as the article below explains & traitors May & Hammond have committed the UK to up to about £1tn of potential EU liabilities, which won't be paid back in our lifetimes even with much higher taxes:

https://gnseconomics.com/en_US/2020/02/10/the-stages-of-the-collapse/ (https://gnseconomics.com/en_US/2020/02/10/the-stages-of-the-collapse/)
I'm going to remember that.

22/02/2020 Italy had 152 cases, today they are at currently at 9,172 confirmed cases.
29/02/2020 UK had 20 cases, today we are currently at 321 confirmed cases.

The numbers are doubling in the UK every 2-3 days!
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 10 March 2020, 15:40:12
https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237142891077697538?s=19

I'm honestly getting a little tired of the constant stream (here and elsewhere) of WE ARE ALL DOOMED TO DIE - if we are all that doomed, might as well just hang ourselves now and save the NHS the trouble of having us coughing up blood on a hallway floor, right?

Or, I guess, Al's suggestion. I quite like beans on toast. Going to have to buy a lot of bread, though, and freeze it.. which is exactly what one lady was doing in Morrisons last night - she had a trolley full of bread..

Outside of the mainstream media histeria bubble I think anybody is anymore than concerned. 80% of confirmed cases are mild, 15% severe & 5% critical. 50% of the critical ones die. The Chinese statistics are in the article below:

https://theanaesthesia.blog/2020/03/09/the-uk-covid-19-epidemic-time-to-plan-and-time-to-act/#comments (https://theanaesthesia.blog/2020/03/09/the-uk-covid-19-epidemic-time-to-plan-and-time-to-act/#comments)

What is clear is that Italian hospitals have been overwhelmed & they have double the number of critical care ICU beds compared to the UK where we have the lowest in Europe. In Italy if you have any of the chronic conditions on the list, you will not get any ICU, the same will apply in the UK in 7-21 days when cases are 10,000+. :o :(

All countries have made the same mistake as China in not clamping down fast enough so R0 > 1 & it will keep spreading until isolation makes R0 < 1, like is now occurring in China.

Statistics are just numbers until it is you, family or friends dying & at that point the statistics become very personal. Again looking a China mass isolation to the epidemic under control takes about 3 months. So we will hopefully be over the worst by July-August time.

What nobody is discussing is the economic impact as that will affect everybody in the world, where it is going to cause a global recession. As an example Chinese y-o-y industrial output is 17.2% down in 3 months where the UK in 2008 had an 8% drop in GDP over 12 months. So expect this to be worse than then. Europe & the Eurozone is in a particularly bad place here as the article below explains & traitors May & Hammond have committed the UK to up to about £1tn of potential EU liabilities, which won't be paid back in our lifetimes even with much higher taxes:

https://gnseconomics.com/en_US/2020/02/10/the-stages-of-the-collapse/ (https://gnseconomics.com/en_US/2020/02/10/the-stages-of-the-collapse/)
I'm going to remember that.
And, if it turns out to be right, I'm going to re-quote and alter it  ;D

If you're still here!  :P  ;D
Hmmmm.......never thought of that  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 10 March 2020, 15:50:30
For an anti panic view on the economic reality,

Listen to this...

https://www.daveramsey.com/show/archives/2020-03-09?mode=listen :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 10 March 2020, 16:31:13
It's bizarre though that last month people coming back from locked down Wuhan were taken straight to quarantine, yet in the last few days they've allowed people to fly in from Milan and disperse into the community.  Taxis, trains, buses....  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: TheBoy on 10 March 2020, 17:05:19
Old people will catch it anyway, because their hobbies include going to the doctors to fill up all the pre-work, lunchtime, and post work appointments, leaving the daytime ones available for those who work.

And doctors are full of sick people, so they will have caught something already to lower their immune system.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: TheBoy on 10 March 2020, 17:06:53
It's bizarre though that last month people coming back from locked down Wuhan were taken straight to quarantine, yet in the last few days they've allowed people to fly in from Milan and disperse into the community.  Taxis, trains, buses....  ::)
The genie is out, and cant be contained. So why piss off your populous, who would ignore it anyway, as the Brits are an arrogant bunch or A-Holes.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rods2 on 10 March 2020, 18:24:10
This is what happens when it gets out of control, so the health system is overwhelmed & you don't have anywhere near enough ICUs:

Italy have gone from 152 confirmed cases on 22/02/2020 t0 10,149 confirmed cases today, 724 have recovered & 631 have died:

631/10,149 = 6.22% mortality rate.
631 / (631 + 724) = 46.57% mortality rate for those that recovered or died!

This is the UK in 14-21 days where the Tories have put minimising economic damage over citizen safety & minimising the loss of life. >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 10 March 2020, 18:40:23
After our recent experience of hospitals which I won't go into in detail ,anybody who is unfortunate to contract this virus & has serious underlying conditions hasn't got a hope in hell in my opinion.😠
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 10 March 2020, 18:43:08
Just got back from the supermarket.

Picked up a basket and wondered how many people had used it today.  :-\

Bought a bag of King Edwards, did the usual of sift through them to find the best looking bag and then reflected after that everyone does that, so those bags have been handled by loads of people.  ::)  Did the same with cabbages...  ::)

Used the self checkout.  How many people had touched the touch screen?  :-\

I think that the only way to be properly safe is to become a hermit for the duration and live off your armageddon stash.  :y

I'll be OK, I've had loads of nasty diseases and survived!  ;D

EDIT: I came in and wash my hands.  :y  Then packed away my shopping.....  ::)                                               Doh!     ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 10 March 2020, 18:56:47
Im not at all worried about it myself, but I am a bit concerned for my daughter. She lives and works in central London and has been an asthmatic all her life. Ive given her all the warnings and advice I would completely ignore myself.
spot on
most people will be fine if they do catch it (other than the financial implications of time off)
but the more that catch it ,the more chance vulnerable people who come into contact with them are likely to catch it

hence trying to limit the spread is vital
but the horse has left the building  :'(

time to isolate the old and people with breathing problems etc
care home that my daughter works at have shut the doors to visitors  :y

She is normally gung ho to the point it terrifies me, but she is actually being sensible about this. She is considered critical staff so has had a couple of days working from home to see how it goes. Now, she and her two colleagues have to work in different parts of the building so they don't all go down with it together. Her boss said ",don't worry, we will let you know you if you need to do anything." Her reply - "No my doctor will advise me if I need to do anything, and then I will let you know".
Cheeky wee shite, but I don't blame her.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: ronnyd on 10 March 2020, 19:51:50
I see tonight that AO.com  have said that freezer sales have shot up. That lady has to have somewhere to store all her loaves. :D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 10 March 2020, 20:47:46
Black pudding?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rods2 on 10 March 2020, 21:05:11
I see Italy have suspended all mortgage payments by individuals & households during this Covid-19 lockdown. I'm aware of 3 'weekend' bailouts done by Italy in the last year, to stop a mis-selling scandal where their bank's mis-sold bonds, as suitable safe domestic & SME savings devices where after Cyprus bond holders are mean't to be bailed in.

China has also been providing extra funds to their banks to support weak & zombie industries. This is the start of a global contagion which the article I pointed to earlier, The panic selling of shares is neither here or there for the bigger than 2008 Covid-19 black swan that is on the horizon with banks & insurance companies needing to be bailed out again. With German & France days away from an Italian style lockdown Deutsche Bank is one to watch. Eurozone banks have never recovered from 2008 & written off non-performing loans like most other economies. The ECB Eurozone already have negative interest rates so they have little ammunition apart from more QE, worrying times.

For a lockdown to work you need to allow a 3 week incubation period, where the virus in favourable conditions can live on surfaces for up to 16 days & another 3 weeks to make sure ill people have recovered & can no longer spread it, which is why in China it is only in the last few days getting a massive slowdown in new cases.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rods2 on 10 March 2020, 22:23:55
For those that are interested, this is the Covid-19 UK Dashboard.

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14 (https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 10 March 2020, 22:36:04
I have just come back to my digs following visiting family in various hospitals in Scarborough. Still see folk not washing their hands but they will be the same dirty b4stards that don't when they have been to the toilet before preparing your fast food. I wonder how many in the wards I visit will be alive in a month?

Easter coming up. How is that going to work (not the religious bit as that can be done via loudspeakers from a room) but the millions going on holiday? The Spanish have just cancelled the Fallas in Valencia. Worth £500 million in tourism. I think Rods2 is spot on. This is going to create a recession which is going to make 2008 look like peanuts.

Wouldn't you just loved to have been in on the COBRA meetings. The true expert figures will have been on the table along with the plan. neither of which we the public will be told.

5.1 days to incubate. I had a wretched cough today but it seems to have gone. Probably just the foul weather plus central heating dryness. So I think I didn't catch it on my way over to UK. Might ask a nurse to do my forehead temp on her ward rounds.... Anybody ever count how many times in a day they touch their own face! 
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 11 March 2020, 07:46:20
EDIT: I came in and wash my hands.  :y  Then packed away my shopping.....  ::)                                               Doh!     ;D

Think about this, then.

Most people carry phones.
They touch them a lot.

So, you touch something contaminated, then you touch your phone, then you wash your hands, then you touch your pho.. d'oh!

So not only do we all have to hermit like Rods, we also have to stop touching everything and use telekenesis.

I'll just carry on as normal, thanks.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 11 March 2020, 09:55:56
Health minister Nadine Dorris has been diagnosed with it this morning.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 11 March 2020, 10:08:03

I'll just carry on as normal, thanks.

Yep.  For most it will be a mild illness that keeps you at home for a while.  So yes you're right Aaron, keep calm and carry on.  :)

If you get it, when you recover you'll have some immunity.  :y  And if you don't recover you won't have to worry about it anymore....  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 11 March 2020, 10:08:36
Hard facts are that this issue will only truly go away once there is a level of immunity in the population, either from immunisation, or surviving the virus.

Any other action is just slowing it down
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Shackeng on 11 March 2020, 10:11:24

I'll just carry on as normal, thanks.

Yep.  For most it will be a mild illness that keeps you at home for a while.  So yes you're right Aaron, keep calm and carry on.  :)

If you get it, when you recover you'll have some immunity.  :y  And if you don't recover you won't have to worry about it anymore....  ::)  ;D

Not sure about that. https://www.euronews.com/2020/02/27/coronavirus-can-you-catch-covid-19-twice-euronews-answers
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 11 March 2020, 10:24:59

I'll just carry on as normal, thanks.

Yep.  For most it will be a mild illness that keeps you at home for a while.  So yes you're right Aaron, keep calm and carry on.  :)

If you get it, when you recover you'll have some immunity.  :y  And if you don't recover you won't have to worry about it anymore....  ::)  ;D

Not sure about that. https://www.euronews.com/2020/02/27/coronavirus-can-you-catch-covid-19-twice-euronews-answers

In this case, looks to be a factless assumption based report  :y

Known facts are, the human body will build immunity to this strain  :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 11 March 2020, 10:53:00
Cannot post the link but on Sky News.com there is a WTO proje tion for the world by the hemispheres and so on. Far from being over in a couple of weeks it will be here for years. At its peak around 100 million infected worldwide so not a lot out of 6/7 billion. More noticeable in first world countries I guess.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 11 March 2020, 11:26:40
The number of recovered people still out weighs the number of active cases, and we are still talking about a mere fraction of the global population.

Two clear choices:

1. shut the world down, and wait for it to die out, or 2. carry on as normal.
1 would deliver a brutal short term economic blow, but one that would be recovered from in due course. 2. Would have a more subtle economic impact, but over a longer term. Who's to say which is better :-\

Ultimately though, if we're all going to catch it regardless, then there's little point in flapping or scaremongering, may as well carry on regardless.

You still have a far higher chance of being hit by a bus.

Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 11 March 2020, 11:28:04
Cannot post the link but on Sky News.com there is a WTO proje tion for the world by the hemispheres and so on. Far from being over in a couple of weeks it will be here for years. At its peak around 100 million infected worldwide so not a lot out of 6/7 billion. More noticeable in first world countries I guess.

As I often quote at work, all simulation is wrong, some is useful.  :y

Is this useful simulation, I have no idea, the only certainty is it will be wrong  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 11 March 2020, 11:42:28
Damned lies and statistics...  :D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 11 March 2020, 11:52:15
The number of recovered people still out weighs the number of active cases, and we are still talking about a mere fraction of the global population.

Two clear choices:

1. shut the world down, and wait for it to die out, or 2. carry on as normal.
1 would deliver a brutal short term economic blow, but one that would be recovered from in due course. 2. Would have a more subtle economic impact, but over a longer term. Who's to say which is better :-\

Ultimately though, if we're all going to catch it regardless, then there's little point in flapping or scaremongering, may as well carry on regardless.

You still have a far higher chance of being hit by a bus.

Ah but are you saying that as a low risk person?. Outside of the hayfever season, i would say we are ultra low risk where we live. However the dice are now loaded much higher with me visiting hospital twice a day to see how the family members are doing etc

Mark is right about the projections. They are just projections.

Stay healthy , exercise and eat your greens....
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 11 March 2020, 11:56:12
EDIT: I came in and wash my hands.  :y  Then packed away my shopping.....  ::)                                               Doh!     ;D

Think about this, then.

Most people carry phones.
They touch them a lot.

So, you touch something contaminated, then you touch your phone, then you wash your hands, then you touch your pho.. d'oh!

So not only do we all have to hermit like Rods, we also have to stop touching everything and use telekenesis.

I'll just carry on as normal, thanks.

it's pretty simple
just pretend everything that does not belong to you has WET PAINT on
don't touch it unless you really have too ,
 if you do, wash your hands BEFORE getting wet paint on anything that does belong to you  :y

and have a bath in neat bleach just in case  :P
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 11 March 2020, 12:27:52
The number of recovered people still out weighs the number of active cases, and we are still talking about a mere fraction of the global population.

Two clear choices:

1. shut the world down, and wait for it to die out, or 2. carry on as normal.
1 would deliver a brutal short term economic blow, but one that would be recovered from in due course. 2. Would have a more subtle economic impact, but over a longer term. Who's to say which is better :-\

Ultimately though, if we're all going to catch it regardless, then there's little point in flapping or scaremongering, may as well carry on regardless.

You still have a far higher chance of being hit by a bus.

Ah but are you saying that as a low risk person?. Outside of the hayfever season, i would say we are ultra low risk where we live. However the dice are now loaded much higher with me visiting hospital twice a day to see how the family members are doing etc

Mark is right about the projections. They are just projections.

Stay healthy , exercise and eat your greens....
Not particularly. My work exposes me to aircraft that have almost certainly been carrying passengers to/from an affected regions. Also, if I get it (assuming that I haven't already), even mildly, there's a certainty that I will pass it to
Mother, who will most likely be hospitalised given her 'underlying medical conditions'. She can turn a sniffle into pneumonia, given half a chance, so unfortunately that would probably be a one way journey :'(

Am I concerned? Of course, but neither of us are panicking. Absolutely no point. Que sera, sera.

If anything, I am more likely to be made redundant from an unrelated airline going under than I am to have to take two weeks off from a cold. Which really pisses me off as the only reason that airline is vulnerable is because it is run by greedy, incompetent morons. But I digress...
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 11 March 2020, 17:52:26
Now officially a global pandemic.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 11 March 2020, 18:11:56
I believe it's quite prevalent in Madrid. 3000 football supporters from Madrid will be arriving in Liverpool today for tonight's match. The jug eared t**t Lineker has said it should have been played behind closed doors, that way the grabbing bastard could still get paid for his half time contribution.

So expect a spike in Merseyside next week.


Cue lazy scouse bastards comments.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 11 March 2020, 18:18:10
I believe it's quite prevalent in Madrid. 3000 football supporters from Madrid will be arriving in Liverpool today for tonight's match. The jug eared t**t Lineker has said it should have been played behind closed doors, that way the grabbing bastard could still get paid for his half time contribution.

So expect a spike in Merseyside next week.


Cue lazy scouse bastards comments.

I'm sure nobody on here believes that scousers are lazy work shy bastards. :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 11 March 2020, 18:20:17
I believe it's quite prevalent in Madrid. 3000 football supporters from Madrid will be arriving in Liverpool today for tonight's match. The jug eared t**t Lineker has said it should have been played behind closed doors, that way the grabbing bastard could still get paid for his half time contribution.

So expect a spike in Merseyside next week.


Cue lazy scouse bastards comments.

I'm sure nobody on here believes that scousers are lazy work shy bastards, who are born with glue on their fingers :)
No, probably not.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 11 March 2020, 18:26:35
Can anyone explain the bulk buying of bog rolls ? I've witnessed people fighting over them today in Waitrose in Peterborough popped in for a coffee & sausage roll while the car was being serviced , then was treated to a female catfight all very entertaining but totally idiotic..😄😃😀
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 11 March 2020, 18:27:40
I believe it's quite prevalent in Madrid. 3000 football supporters from Madrid will be arriving in Liverpool today for tonight's match. The jug eared t**t Lineker has said it should have been played behind closed doors, that way the grabbing bastard could still get paid for his half time contribution.

So expect a spike in Merseyside next week.


Cue lazy scouse bastards comments.
Liverpool 1, Madrid 0, corona virus 275.  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 11 March 2020, 18:32:35
I believe it's quite prevalent in Madrid. 3000 football supporters from Madrid will be arriving in Liverpool today for tonight's match. The jug eared t**t Lineker has said it should have been played behind closed doors, that way the grabbing bastard could still get paid for his half time contribution.

So expect a spike in Merseyside next week.


Cue lazy scouse bastards comments.
Liverpool 1, Madrid 0, corona virus 275.  ;D

on the day of the match ,then those 275 will each pass it on and so on....  ::)
all to watch a bag of wind being kicked round  :o
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 11 March 2020, 18:32:54
Can anyone explain the bulk buying of bog rolls ? I've witnessed people fighting over them today in Waitrose in Peterborough popped in for a coffee & sausage roll while the car was being serviced , then was treated to a female catfight all very entertaining but totally idiotic..😄😃😀

No doubt somebody caught it on their phone. It will probably be on Youtube by now under the heading. " Tits out slapper skanks fight it out in Waitrose"

I must look it up. :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 11 March 2020, 18:50:04
The Spanish health minister predicted today the epidemic in Spain will last between 2 and 5 months.

Madrid has seen panic buying.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 11 March 2020, 19:00:44
I believe it's quite prevalent in Madrid. 3000 football supporters from Madrid will be arriving in Liverpool today for tonight's match. The jug eared t**t Lineker has said it should have been played behind closed doors, that way the grabbing bastard could still get paid for his half time contribution.

So expect a spike in Merseyside next week.


Cue lazy scouse bastards comments.

I think it's fiking nuts letting large amounts of people move around the continent like this for non essential reasons.  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 11 March 2020, 19:32:26
I believe it's quite prevalent in Madrid. 3000 football supporters from Madrid will be arriving in Liverpool today for tonight's match. The jug eared t**t Lineker has said it should have been played behind closed doors, that way the grabbing bastard could still get paid for his half time contribution.

So expect a spike in Merseyside next week.


Cue lazy scouse bastards comments.

I think it's fiking nuts letting large amounts of people move around the continent like this for non essential reasons.  ::)
European championship football, non essential? Behave yourself.  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 11 March 2020, 19:34:45
I believe it's quite prevalent in Madrid. 3000 football supporters from Madrid will be arriving in Liverpool today for tonight's match. The jug eared t**t Lineker has said it should have been played behind closed doors, that way the grabbing bastard could still get paid for his half time contribution.

So expect a spike in Merseyside next week.


Cue lazy scouse bastards comments.

I think it's fiking nuts letting large amounts of people move around the continent like this for non essential reasons.  ::)
European championship football, non essential? Behave yourself.  ;D

 ;D  Well yes when you put it like that.  :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 11 March 2020, 19:39:00
I believe it's quite prevalent in Madrid. 3000 football supporters from Madrid will be arriving in Liverpool today for tonight's match. The jug eared t**t Lineker has said it should have been played behind closed doors, that way the grabbing bastard could still get paid for his half time contribution.

So expect a spike in Merseyside next week.


Cue lazy scouse bastards comments.

I think it's fiking nuts letting large amounts of people move around the continent like this for non essential reasons.  ::)

 
 I think as a country, we need to pull up the draw bridge, only downside, food will get rationed because the Supermarkets have so much imported from euro-land.

 Place today staff refusing to unload a container of chicken from China..
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rods2 on 11 March 2020, 20:04:07
Can anyone explain the bulk buying of bog rolls ? I've witnessed people fighting over them today in Waitrose in Peterborough popped in for a coffee & sausage roll while the car was being serviced , then was treated to a female catfight all very entertaining but totally idiotic..😄😃😀

So, while their out shopping for bog roll they catch Covid-19 & die, but the coroner, at their inquest, will comment the had a spotlessly clean shiny ar*shole. ::) ;D For those that catch Covid-19 in other ways & run out of bog roll, they can achieve the spotlessly clean shiny ar*ehole by jumping in the shower after going. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 11 March 2020, 20:50:32
clicky shocking  :o (https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/03/11/not-everyone-with-coronavirus-symptoms-can-be-tested-warn-healt/)
so virus figures will be completely inaccurate and unless you have direct contact with a tested positive case ,you're advised to go to work ,even if you have all the symptoms   >:(
clearly the knobs in charge want it to spread as quick as possible and kill off all the vulnerable people
unless you get tested ,which is unlikely , you can't self isolate and claim statutory sick pay , unless advised by 111 (after a test that they won't do)
may as well post out free samples of the virus to everyone to lick  >:(


 


Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 11 March 2020, 21:29:22
clicky shocking  :o (https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/03/11/not-everyone-with-coronavirus-symptoms-can-be-tested-warn-healt/)
so virus figures will be completely inaccurate and unless you have direct contact with a tested positive case ,you're advised to go to work ,even if you have all the symptoms   >:(
clearly the knobs in charge want it to spread as quick as possible and kill off all the vulnerable people
unless you get tested ,which is unlikely , you can't self isolate and claim statutory sick pay , unless advised by 111 (after a test that they won't do)
may as well post out free samples of the virus to everyone to lick  >:(
Calm down, dear, it's only a virus.  :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 11 March 2020, 21:44:29

Calm down, dear, it's only a virus.  :)
A virus that could well kill my mum and my 5 Y/O nephew 
ok my mum is old
but this "Virus" COULD have been contained in the UK
instead they encourage it's spread

Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 11 March 2020, 21:51:25
I believe it's quite prevalent in Madrid. 3000 football supporters from Madrid will be arriving in Liverpool today for tonight's match. The jug eared t**t Lineker has said it should have been played behind closed doors, that way the grabbing bastard could still get paid for his half time contribution.

So expect a spike in Merseyside next week.


Cue lazy scouse bastards comments.
Liverpool 1, Madrid 0, corona virus 275.  ;D
I got the 1-0 right, the jury is out on the virus score.  :-X
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 11 March 2020, 21:53:14
I believe it's quite prevalent in Madrid. 3000 football supporters from Madrid will be arriving in Liverpool today for tonight's match. The jug eared t**t Lineker has said it should have been played behind closed doors, that way the grabbing bastard could still get paid for his half time contribution.

So expect a spike in Merseyside next week.


Cue lazy scouse bastards comments.
Liverpool 1, Madrid 0, corona virus 275.  ;D
I got the 1-0 right, the jury is out on the virus score.  :-X

That game has 14 days to go.  ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 11 March 2020, 22:06:36
He’s psychotic, err psychic  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 11 March 2020, 22:52:28
Can anyone explain the bulk buying of bog rolls ? I've witnessed people fighting over them today in Waitrose in Peterborough popped in for a coffee & sausage roll while the car was being serviced , then was treated to a female catfight all very entertaining but totally idiotic..😄😃😀

That exercised my mind too. Surely it is people just trying to maintain their civilised lifestyle. Misplaced of course as if you haven’t anything stockpiled to eat you won’t need toilet paper. Rods2 is spot on. With running water and a bit of imagination you dont need toilet paper.

Meanwhile back in Scarborough hospital today plenty of folk not washing their hands or using the hand sanitiser.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 11 March 2020, 22:56:46
Loo roll is cheaper than tissues...
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rods2 on 12 March 2020, 00:45:39
Loo roll is cheaper than tissues...

Large 18"x18" Cotton hankies cheaper still & sterile after a boil wash for a bit & they don't like paper hankies or bog paper make your nose sore! ::) ::) ::) Germophile & bloodophile (steak, blood pudding, spots in eggs etc) friend is never impressed when I'm down the club/pub & my cotton hankie needs to be used. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 12 March 2020, 01:15:11
Trump just banned travel from Europe to the USA!  :o  Boom! Decisive action!  :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 12 March 2020, 01:52:04
And in other viral news the actor Tom Hanks and his wife have tested positive for Covid-19 in Australia.  :(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rods2 on 12 March 2020, 02:25:49
Trump just banned travel from Europe to the USA!  :o  Boom! Decisive action!  :y

Too little, too late as election year headlines. Lack of Trump banned WHO testing kits, where a Trump company produced alternatives, that were proved not to work, so Trump only allowed CDC to approved minimal number of WHO tests, it is already an uncontrolled epidemic in the US. Trump can put whatever spin he likes on this, but he will own it, where he is on record as saying it is a minor sniffle or like mild influenza. He has now set himself up for a Nov 2020 election fall. Nothing more than he deserves where personnel corrupt wreath making has always been his largely successful goal from benefiting being POTUS & now it will, as a crisis bad response pridicted, catch up with him. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 12 March 2020, 07:29:52
No it wont. He will be re elected.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 12 March 2020, 09:03:26
No it wont. He will be re elected.

Yep Trumps fan base will love this sort of thing.  ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 12 March 2020, 09:21:45
Indeed, one day Bernie will realise that he is the Democrats warm up act...  ::)

Trump will wipe the floor with the competition. Mostly because there isn't any ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 12 March 2020, 10:40:27
 Now here's a conspiracy theory doing the rounds, will need rods2 to debunk it, or some truth, The area of China were the virus started, is there equivalent to portan Down,, O and it's possibly a man made mutation of the flu virus :-X
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 12 March 2020, 10:42:01
Now here's a conspiracy theory doing the rounds, will need rods2 to debunk it, or some truth, The area of China were the virus started, is there equivalent to portan Down,, O and it's possibly a man made mutation of the flu virus :-X

That's been going around since the outset.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuhan_Institute_of_Virology
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 12 March 2020, 11:05:14
If it was true they would just apply the antidote rather than hit their economy badly.

You are right though. Mankind ( certainly the Russians, Chinese, Americans and ourselves) have been concocting pure evil for the next serious war. They have after all had a good seventy years to perfect it. Think of all the other stuff invented and perfected in the same large timeframe......
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 12 March 2020, 11:20:48
Indeed, one day Bernie will realise that he is the Democrats warm up act...  ::)

Trump will wipe the floor with the competition. Mostly because there isn't any ;D
And Putin is ready to install himself as leader of Russia till 2035, so it'll be the Don and Vlad show for another five years at least.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 12 March 2020, 11:29:31
Just to give you some idea of how this is affecting businesses, Barclays market cap (it's value on the stock market) has dropped from £28billion to £18billion in less than 2 weeks.
So what? It's only a grasping bank, you say. But, if this downward trend were to continue, the banks may need recapitalising (bailing out) again, and we all know how long the after effects of that last.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 12 March 2020, 11:32:34
Just to give you some idea of how this is affecting businesses, Barclays market cap (it's value on the stock market) has dropped from £28billion to £18billion in less than 2 weeks.
So what? It's only a grasping bank, you say. But, if this downward trend were to continue, the banks may need recapitalising (bailing out) again, and we all know how long the after effects of that last.

Perhaps this is how those dastardly Chinese end capitalism once and for all? Because it won't stop at the banks - airlines will fail, anything connected with travel, entertainment, events (corporate, weddings, sports events etc), public spaces will fail, hospitals will fail, businesses will fail..
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 12 March 2020, 11:39:57
Just to give you some idea of how this is affecting businesses, Barclays market cap (it's value on the stock market) has dropped from £28billion to £18billion in less than 2 weeks.
So what? It's only a grasping bank, you say. But, if this downward trend were to continue, the banks may need recapitalising (bailing out) again, and we all know how long the after effects of that last.

Perhaps this is how those dastardly Chinese end capitalism once and for all? Because it won't stop at the banks - airlines will fail, anything connected with travel, entertainment, events (corporate, weddings, sports events etc), public spaces will fail, hospitals will fail, businesses will fail..
INTU, which owns the Lakeside and Trafford shopping centres, has issued a plea for funds this morning. They were already in trouble but this virus could finish them off.
Rishi Sunak really splashed the cash yesterday, I hope he/we don't live to regret it. I know it's only pretend money, but overseas investors don't quite see it that way.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 12 March 2020, 11:53:51
CNBC were reporting this morning that there were only 14 new cases in China this morning. When one of the anchormen asked "1.4 billion people, 14 new cases, how do we know? How reliable are these numbers?" No one had an answer.
How the wotsit can these numbers be anywhere near accurate? There could be tens of thousands in rural areas with 'heavy colds'.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 12 March 2020, 12:13:21
I think Rods and Varche need new therapists...
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 12 March 2020, 12:56:40
Maclaren have withdrawn from Australian F1, the world is slowly shutting down.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 12 March 2020, 12:59:15
How the wotsit can these numbers be anywhere near accurate? There could be tens of thousands in rural areas with 'heavy colds'.

Exactly - even if they could feasibly test all those people, numbers reported out of China need to be viewed with scepticism at best.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 12 March 2020, 15:09:45
Just to give you some idea of how this is affecting businesses, Barclays market cap (it's value on the stock market) has dropped from £28billion to £18billion in less than 2 weeks.
So what? It's only a grasping bank, you say. But, if this downward trend were to continue, the banks may need recapitalising (bailing out) again, and we all know how long the after effects of that last.
Jesus, it's a bloodbath today, make that £17billion.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 12 March 2020, 15:14:23
Just to give you some idea of how this is affecting businesses, Barclays market cap (it's value on the stock market) has dropped from £28billion to £18billion in less than 2 weeks.
So what? It's only a grasping bank, you say. But, if this downward trend were to continue, the banks may need recapitalising (bailing out) again, and we all know how long the after effects of that last.
Jesus, it's a bloodbath today, make that £17billion.


A nice cup of tea and everything will be fine. :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 12 March 2020, 15:29:59
Just to give you some idea of how this is affecting businesses, Barclays market cap (it's value on the stock market) has dropped from £28billion to £18billion in less than 2 weeks.
So what? It's only a grasping bank, you say. But, if this downward trend were to continue, the banks may need recapitalising (bailing out) again, and we all know how long the after effects of that last.
Jesus, it's a bloodbath today, make that £17billion.


A nice cup of tea and everything will be fine. :)
Here in Yorkshire, yes, but I'm not sure about Londistan.  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: henryd on 12 March 2020, 15:37:18
Just to give you some idea of how this is affecting businesses, Barclays market cap (it's value on the stock market) has dropped from £28billion to £18billion in less than 2 weeks.
So what? It's only a grasping bank, you say. But, if this downward trend were to continue, the banks may need recapitalising (bailing out) again, and we all know how long the after effects of that last.
Jesus, it's a bloodbath today, make that £17billion.


A nice cup of tea and everything will be fine. :)

Stiff upper lip and all that ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 12 March 2020, 15:39:52
It's only money 😀😃😄
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: ronnyd on 12 March 2020, 15:46:54
Just to give you some idea of how this is affecting businesses, Barclays market cap (it's value on the stock market) has dropped from £28billion to £18billion in less than 2 weeks.
So what? It's only a grasping bank, you say. But, if this downward trend were to continue, the banks may need recapitalising (bailing out) again, and we all know how long the after effects of that last.
Jesus, it's a bloodbath today, make that £17billion.


A nice cup of tea and everything will be fine. :)

Stiff upper lip and all that ::)
Is that one of the signs that you have caught it?  :D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 12 March 2020, 15:47:51
Just to give you some idea of how this is affecting businesses, Barclays market cap (it's value on the stock market) has dropped from £28billion to £18billion in less than 2 weeks.
So what? It's only a grasping bank, you say. But, if this downward trend were to continue, the banks may need recapitalising (bailing out) again, and we all know how long the after effects of that last.
Jesus, it's a bloodbath today, make that £17billion.


A nice cup of tea and everything will be fine. :)

Stiff upper lip and all that ::)
Is that one of the signs that you have caught it?  :D
My missus has been like that since she had the botox injections.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: ronnyd on 12 March 2020, 15:52:54
Just to give you some idea of how this is affecting businesses, Barclays market cap (it's value on the stock market) has dropped from £28billion to £18billion in less than 2 weeks.
So what? It's only a grasping bank, you say. But, if this downward trend were to continue, the banks may need recapitalising (bailing out) again, and we all know how long the after effects of that last.
Jesus, it's a bloodbath today, make that £17billion.


A nice cup of tea and everything will be fine. :)

Stiff upper lip and all that ::)
Is that one of the signs that you have caught it?  :D
My missus has been like that since she had the botox injections.
;D ;D ;D ;D Good one, but.... dare you tell her?  ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 12 March 2020, 15:52:58
Oil has dropped another 7%. Asda was paying people to take fuel way this morning  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 12 March 2020, 16:11:51
Just to give you some idea of how this is affecting businesses, Barclays market cap (it's value on the stock market) has dropped from £28billion to £18billion in less than 2 weeks.
So what? It's only a grasping bank, you say. But, if this downward trend were to continue, the banks may need recapitalising (bailing out) again, and we all know how long the after effects of that last.
Jesus, it's a bloodbath today, make that £17billion.


A nice cup of tea and everything will be fine. :)
Here in Yorkshire, yes, but I'm not sure about Londistan.  ;D

Yes....you are lucky. You have the huge tea plantation located outside Bradford, where proper Yorkshire tea is grown. :)

None of this foreign muck for Yorkshire people.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 12 March 2020, 16:28:53
Talking with some mates at our local lunchtime, decided that this virus is becoming more boring than Brexit, so all had a couple more pints & made plans for our next get together..😎
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 12 March 2020, 16:49:11
Australian Grand Prix has just been cancelled.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 12 March 2020, 16:53:32
Or has it?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 12 March 2020, 17:01:59
SKY news said it had. Autosport says cancellation is imminent.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 12 March 2020, 17:07:17
Lets tell all the police and hospitals that they don't need to work.

Lets tell all the supermarkets and utility companies they can stay in bed.

Utter madness. People should get on with their job.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 12 March 2020, 17:10:06
Lets tell all the police and hospitals that they don't need to work.

Lets tell all the supermarkets and utility companies they can stay in bed.

Utter madness. People should get on with their job.

Why do you want everyone to die, Opti? Everyone MUST stay home!





Unless they do a job interacting with the public, in which case they must continue to work.


Er. Can't see a flaw in this at all, me. :D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 12 March 2020, 17:30:34
Maclaren have withdrawn from Australian F1, the world is slowly shutting down.

 
That's it, I'm officially worried, if this is affecting Motorsport, it's rather serious. :-X
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 12 March 2020, 17:31:51
Lets tell all the police and hospitals that they don't need to work.

Lets tell all the supermarkets and utility companies they can stay in bed.

Utter madness. People should get on with their job.

Why do you want everyone to die, Opti? Everyone MUST stay home!





Unless they do a job interacting with the public, in which case they must continue to work.


Er. Can't see a flaw in this at all, me. :D

Like all this crap that people can't visit the care home their elderly parents are in.........but the staff can do as they please.

TB may not need to implement his cull, natural selection may do it for him. :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 12 March 2020, 20:23:12
The World Health Organisation has announced that dogs cannot contract Covid-19.  Dogs previously held in quarantine can now be released.  To be clear, WHO let the dogs out.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 12 March 2020, 20:35:51
The World Health Organisation has announced that dogs cannot contract Covid-19.  Dogs previously held in quarantine can now be released.  To be clear, WHO let the dogs out.
Groooooooaaaaaaannnnn...... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 12 March 2020, 20:47:46
I think Rods and Varche need new therapists...

New? The last one quit after five minutes!
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 12 March 2020, 20:57:56
People are starting to get on my tit now. Wife has had three facebooks or whatever from her mates who do the family shop on Thursday evening after work. Aldi...couldn't get into the car park, Morrison's........next to nothing left on the shelves and massive queues at checkouts, Tesco......ok, but much busier than usual.
What is wrong with these idiots? Do they think we're going to run out of food? And, if we did run out of food, do they think the rest of us would let them keep the stuff they panic bought? Don't they know that people who are starving just punch you in the face and take what you have?  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 12 March 2020, 21:03:17
We popped into our local Aldi this morning , plenty of everything on the shelves and no sign of panic buying.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 12 March 2020, 21:04:53
We popped into our local Aldi this morning , plenty of everything on the shelves and no sign of panic buying.
Yes, but Boris has been on the telly and put the shits up everyone since then.

Phrases like "There's probably about 10,000 cases at the moment" "Some of you will lose family members far too early"
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 12 March 2020, 21:16:16
I should pop and get some shopping
where to put it all though  :-\ with all these toilet rolls and pasta shapes everywhere and 500 liters of hand sanitizer  ::)
suppose i should get fuel for the genny while it's cheaper too

Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 12 March 2020, 21:20:54
I should pop and get some shopping
where to put it all though  :-\ with all these toilet rolls and pasta shapes everywhere and 500 liters of hand sanitizer  ::)
suppose i should get fuel for the genny while it's cheaper too
Take your time at the supermarket. There'll be plenty of space for your shopping by the time you get back. :y


Will I get it all in a tranny, or should I bring something bigger?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 12 March 2020, 21:24:08
People are starting to get on my tit now. Wife has had three facebooks or whatever from her mates who do the family shop on Thursday evening after work. Aldi...couldn't get into the car park, Morrison's........next to nothing left on the shelves and massive queues at checkouts, Tesco......ok, but much busier than usual.
What is wrong with these idiots? Do they think we're going to run out of food? And, if we did run out of food, do they think the rest of us would let them keep the stuff they panic bought? Don't they know that people who are starving just punch you in the face and take what you have?  ;D


 We aren't going to run out of food, I'd know pretty quick,  Wipes maybe if the close Israel/Palestine as that's were lots come from, they could come overland via Greece,  The imports from China have slowed, container firms are standing trucks,  Latex gloves mainly come from Malaysia, Indonesia so they might get thin on the ground.   As for the oof staple food stuff, Beanz we need our man there to report, and give members the heads up. ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 12 March 2020, 21:28:40
Plenty of pigeons & rabbits round here so will get the shotgun out & go self sufficient ,can use leaves to wipe my arse so no shopping necessary..😄
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 12 March 2020, 21:34:25
Plenty of pigeons & rabbits round here so will get the shotgun out & go self sufficient ,can use leaves to wipe my arse so no shopping necessary..😄


 There's ducks too, only need a slice of bread to catch them, and if it gets bad, there's plenty of cats.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 12 March 2020, 21:36:05
Plenty of pigeons & rabbits round here so will get the shotgun out & go self sufficient ,can use leaves to wipe my arse so no shopping necessary..😄


 There's ducks too, only need a slice of bread to catch them, and if it gets bad, there's plenty of cats.
A slice of bread? Where are you hoping to find that?  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 12 March 2020, 21:45:09
I should pop and get some shopping
where to put it all though  :-\ with all these toilet rolls and pasta shapes everywhere and 500 liters of hand sanitizer  ::)
suppose i should get fuel for the genny while it's cheaper too
Take your time at the supermarket. There'll be plenty of space for your shopping by the time you get back. :y


Will I get it all in a tranny, or should I bring something bigger?
depends if you intend to take all the vauxhall parts hoard too  :-\
then you'll need an 18 wheeler  :-*
I have to go shopping in any case tomorrow , need a couple of kilo of prawns in case the cat and my koi carp decide to self isolate for 2 weeks  ;D
Mrs builder will be at work , getting infected no doubt  :(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rods2 on 12 March 2020, 22:07:17
Like I said folks, nothing to see here with another 10% share correction & the markets waking up to the size of economic contraction that Covid-19 is going to cause.

"The New York branch of the Federal Reserve said it was pumping $1.5tr to ease strains in the debt markets, offering increased overnight loans to banks and expanding the kinds of assets it will buy to keep firms lending."

$1.5tn less than Lord Opti's weeking grocery bill ::) but still 7% of US GDP as an opening shot to support US banks & corporate America.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51829852 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51829852)

At least the EU are now being proactive with generous help with the Italian lock down where Italian's gave help to their tourist industry, which the EU have deemed to be illegal state aid, so have fined them, with additional daily surcharges for everyday it's not paid. Talk about a kick in the nuts when you are down. Looks like now we have left the EU that Italy are going to be their new whipping boys & with friends like that when you're down who needs enemies. :-X >:(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 12 March 2020, 22:32:50
Had a howl this afternoon. There is a whole new world out there that I know nothing about.

Facebook. Someone was showing me stuff about Crooner virus, a request to join a group to share concerns about corona virus. . There was even one group concerned about seagulls and moss on the roof.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 12 March 2020, 22:41:38
Had a howl this afternoon. There is a whole new world out there that I know nothing about.

Facebook. Someone was showing me stuff about Crooner virus, a request to join a group to share concerns about corona virus. . There was even one group concerned about seagulls and moss on the roof.


I've said it before so many times, the world has gone completely crazy.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: ronnyd on 12 March 2020, 22:45:04
Had a howl this afternoon. There is a whole new world out there that I know nothing about.

Facebook. Someone was showing me stuff about Crooner virus, a request to join a group to share concerns about corona virus. . There was even one group concerned about seagulls and moss on the roof.
We need a few sharp frosts, that'll get rid of it. :y Not so sure about the pigeons though. ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 12 March 2020, 22:48:39
Had a howl this afternoon. There is a whole new world out there that I know nothing about.

Facebook. Someone was showing me stuff about Crooner virus, a request to join a group to share concerns about corona virus. . There was even one group concerned about seagulls and moss on the roof.

Shitehawks  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 12 March 2020, 23:38:47
SKY news said it had. Autosport says cancellation is imminent.

Its now been officially cancelled.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 13 March 2020, 07:05:55
SKY news said it had. Autosport says cancellation is imminent.

Its now been officially cancelled.

You can’t believe it. Apparently It is only like flu, more people die from constipation!  I hope this months pudding club isn't cancelled . We have seven puds and two guest beers.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Viral_Jim on 13 March 2020, 09:56:28
SKY news said it had. Autosport says cancellation is imminent.

Its now been officially cancelled.

You can’t believe it. Apparently It is only like flu, more people die from constipation!  I hope this months pudding club isn't cancelled . We have seven puds and two guest beers.

I was accused of not taking it seriously enough in the office yesterday when I pointed out that Hippos and vending machines killed more people than than Covid-19.

Personally I think I'm pitching it about right.  :D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 13 March 2020, 11:02:18
Asda this morning: No toilet roll, obviously. No dry pasta, obviously. No baked beans, of any make. No Heinz soups. FFS.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 13 March 2020, 11:06:37
Asda this morning: No toilet roll, obviously. No dry pasta, obviously. No baked beans, of any make. No Heinz soups. FFS.

People are stocking up for the apocalypse. Probably digging bunkers in their back gardens, too.

I bought loo rolls this morning and felt like I needed a sign around my neck; "I'm not panic buying, we ran out."

Could have used some paracetamol for the headache that goes along with my sniffles and dry cough, but apparently everyone has panic bought those, too. ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: amba on 13 March 2020, 11:08:33
Local Morrisons today when we did the weekend shop.

Looked like people were preparing for the end of the world.Shelves virtually stripped bare and queues for tills longer than at Christmas.World has gone mad ,but dont think the impending doom spouted by Boris yesterday has helped at all,however true it may be
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 13 March 2020, 11:11:16
At least the stock markets are on the up this morning. Crude as well.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 13 March 2020, 11:12:53
At least the stock markets are on the up this morning. Crude as well.

Thank break for that.. I think my pension pot has dropped £20k since the start of this.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Viral_Jim on 13 March 2020, 11:55:53
The only thing I will admit to 'panic buying' is the last 6l of tonic in Sainsbury's. Since some c0ckwomble posted on FB that it helps stop the spread of the disease, the moron collective had nearly stripped the shelves bare.

Still, I've now got a little over a week's supply on hand. Should see us right :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 13 March 2020, 12:05:55
Everything is cancelled now, just been on the news. If you can think of it, it's cancelled  ;D

I'm off to pick sonny boy up from uni soon, thousands of Chinese students there, gulp.  Then, tomorrow, he's off to his backgammon tournament in Bradford. That's not cancelled.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 13 March 2020, 12:24:51
Everything is cancelled now, just been on the news. If you can think of it, it's cancelled  ;D

I'm off to pick sonny boy up from uni soon, thousands of Chinese students there, gulp.  Then, tomorrow, he's off to his backgammon tournament in Bradford. That's not cancelled.



Yet..
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 March 2020, 12:42:33
There won't be more than 500 people there ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 13 March 2020, 13:31:31
There won't be more than 500 people there ;)
There aren't more than 500 people at Burnley's home games.  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 13 March 2020, 13:36:11
All of this shit is grinding me down, I've just renewed both car insurance policies without argument. Never even looked at the meerkats. :(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 March 2020, 13:43:13
My car has got the virus, so I am stuck with the train for commuting...

Wish me luck :D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 13 March 2020, 13:45:46
My car has got the virus, so I am stuck with the train for commuting...

Wish me luck :D
Oh dear. All that coughing and sneezing and rubbing up against each other. Not good.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 13 March 2020, 14:16:33
My car has got the virus, so I am stuck with the train for commuting...

Wish me luck :D
was nice knowing you Al  ;)
i would say pass my condolences to you wife ,but you'd probably be giving her the germs in doing so  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 13 March 2020, 14:42:14
don't forget to put a big red cross X on your front door  :y

I assume the bin men will swap duties to collect the bodies  "bring out your dead "
 also assuming the bin men haven't all died ,that's a lot plague infested of wheely bin handles to touch  :-\

Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rods2 on 13 March 2020, 15:14:36
10/3 373 confirmed UK cases
13/3 798 confirmed UK cases

Now if the UK government let it free run for herd immunity (the TB plan?):
16/3 1,600?
19/3 3,200?
22/3 6,400?

Which is why UK chief thinks that there currently 5k-10k cases in the UK, which is about right for a 5-14 day incubation rate. You are infectious as soon as your invaded cells start viral shedding which according to The Lancet lasts typically 20 days, but the longest recorded for a survivor was 37 days, which suggests isolation from 5-14 day period that symptoms occur, so from signs to no longer being vectious is typically a week to 2.5 weeks but could be up to a month.

25/3 12,800?
28/3 25,600?
31/3 51,200?
3/4 102,400?
6/4 204,800?
9/4 409,600?
12/4 819,200?
15/4  1.64M?
18/4 3.28M?
21/4 6.56M?
24/4 13.12M?
27/4 26.24M?
30/4 40M? 60%

Which is why they are talking about it peaking at the end of April to mid May. In this 3 months if left to freerun with no lockdowns. Deaths using Chinese confirmed cases death rates: 4.7% of men 940,000 die & 2.8% of women 560,000 die = 1,500,000 deaths in 3 months or about 1 in 45 of the UK population. To put this into context 700,000 UK service men died over 4 years in WWI. This means that lockdowns are probably only about a week away to mitigate the rate of infection, but there will probably several peaks and lockdowns until mass vaccinations early in 2021. If 60% of the global population were infected that would be about 150M deaths or about three times the 1918 Spanish flu epidemic.

Lockdowns have worked quite quickly in China & in the first infected Italian Lombardy towns.  In China it now looks like they have got it under control. :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 13 March 2020, 15:17:12
I was going to post that Spain infection rates are nearly doubling by the day but I had better not.

Likewise I wont quote the UK government health guy’s reasonable worst case scenario death rate.

Rose coloured specs back on!
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 March 2020, 17:02:39
I was going to post that Spain infection rates are nearly doubling by the day but I had better not.

Likewise I wont quote the UK government health guy’s reasonable worst case scenario death rate.

Rose coloured specs back on!
I would plan your return quite carefully, you may not be able to travel for long.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 March 2020, 17:20:24
To Rods, I would politely suggest keeping his fag packet man maths to himself.

We're potentially all going to catch it eventually. However we aren't all going to die from it, not even close.

The Chinese live under martial law with a thinly veiled illusion of civility, so 'locking down' entire cities was actually pretty easy.

The shutting down Italy is a headline approach, but won't be sustainable once those enforcing the lock down start getting infected. Then what happens? ::)

Closing borders may be an effect measure in controlling spread, but otherwise there is little reason to not to keep calm and carry on, however clichéd that is.

If we're lucky most of us won't be laid off, but the way the media is spreading panic and fear, we will be lucky to see the end of March >:(


Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Entwood on 13 March 2020, 17:54:06
Interesting article on the BBC ....

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51874084

Now, even if you disagree with the UK Government approach .. and yes you have that right .... as a "non-scientist" may I simply point out one simple sentanece in the whole article ....

"It is important to stress that this strategy has been drawn up based on evidence and input from many of the world's leading scientists and doctors, many of whom have been involved in controlling the spread of the virus in China and Singapore. And it is notable that no scientists have spoken out against the UK government's approach."

So ... not following the knee-jerk reactions of the idiot who tries to run Ireland is probably actually sensible .... despite what the "media" are trying to force on us.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 13 March 2020, 18:03:57
The more I think about this, the more I think that the government is taking the right approach.  :y

In the Republic of Ireland they've had 70 odd cases and 1 death, yet they're shutting down the schools, universities and pretty much the whole country.  ::) 

In 2 weeks time there will be households up and down the country where they're climbing the walls with bored kids etc, and as they seem well enough the parents will say "Ah fek it, off you go then!"  and that's when the virus will really take hold over there.  ::)

Over here we'll have all caught it, recovered and become immune.  :y  Or died.  :P

As too Wee Krankie taking unilateral actions in Scotland, she's just doing that for political reasons to appeal to her bravehearts and is clearly not listening to the scientists.  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 March 2020, 18:04:28
Finally, a voice of reason  :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 13 March 2020, 18:10:20
Finally, a voice of reason  :y

That said I still think it was madness allowing thousands of footie fans to come over from Madrid the other night.  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 13 March 2020, 18:17:55
Been in  Edinburgh since Thursday morning hoping to watch the rugby (which was being played in Cardiff) with the Jocks but of course it was called off today..... :'( ahh well back to the whiskey🥃😷👀
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 13 March 2020, 18:21:55
To Rods, I would politely suggest keeping his fag packet man maths to himself.

We're potentially all going to catch it eventually. However we aren't all going to die from it, not even close.

The Chinese live under martial law with a thinly veiled illusion of civility, so 'locking down' entire cities was actually pretty easy.

The shutting down Italy is a headline approach, but won't be sustainable once those enforcing the lock down start getting infected. Then what happens? ::)

The first failing was letting anyone travel out of China. However the Genie is out of the bottle. As I said earlier. Let us compare notes in three months time.

My circumstances are pretty complicated. Ideally I would be back in Spain but we both need to leave our home for at least 5 weeks during the coming olive pollen season.  It isnt a choice but an imperative. Our plan had been to visit relatives in the UK.

A further spanner is I have two relatives seriously ill here in Yorkshire. Dont know what the answer is. Maybe there isn't one. Maybe mrs V needs to drive herself and dog over.

Closing borders may be an effect measure in controlling spread, but otherwise there is little reason to not to keep calm and carry on, however clichéd that is.

If we're lucky most of us won't be laid off, but the way the media is spreading panic and fear, we will be lucky to see the end of March >:(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 13 March 2020, 18:31:18
3 months ago coronavirus didn't exist ,other than in some lab being engineered
look what has happened in 3 months  :o
all well and good saying just let it spread and we'll build up immunity
the wider it spreads,the more chance it has to mix with things and mutate into god knows what
autopsies showing that it covers the lungs in a layer that could stay with you for life ,or get worse and end your life .
no one knows what will happen long term because it's too new

so maybe it's a bit more serious than a common cold  ::)



Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 March 2020, 18:35:07
FFS, in that case we may as well all just hang ourselves now and call it done >:(

Enough of this shit already.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 13 March 2020, 18:38:06
If they shut the pubs in Ireland then we will know things are really serious.
Bahrain and Vietnamese GP,s are now also postponed.
Daughter told work today she is working from home from Monday. Serious asthma problem has made her decide it isn't worth taking the risk. Particularly as she went back to work the day after an op on her shoulder a few months ago and the only reaction was " you don't seem very happy at the moment, cheer up for gods sake".
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 13 March 2020, 18:50:08
To Rods, I would politely suggest keeping his fag packet man maths to himself.

We're potentially all going to catch it eventually. However we aren't all going to die from it, not even close.

The Chinese live under martial law with a thinly veiled illusion of civility, so 'locking down' entire cities was actually pretty easy.

The shutting down Italy is a headline approach, but won't be sustainable once those enforcing the lock down start getting infected. Then what happens? ::)

The first failing was letting anyone travel out of China. However the Genie is out of the bottle. As I said earlier. Let us compare notes in three months time.

Closing borders may be an effect measure in controlling spread, but otherwise there is little reason to not to keep calm and carry on, however clichéd that is.

If we're lucky most of us won't be laid off, but the way the media is spreading panic and fear, we will be lucky to see the end of March >:(
Varche says

My circumstances are pretty complicated. Ideally I would be back in Spain but we both need to leave our home for at least 5 weeks during the coming olive pollen season.  It isnt a choice but an imperative. Our plan had been to visit relatives in the UK.

A further spanner is I have two relatives seriously ill here in Yorkshire. Dont know what the answer is. Maybe there isn't one. Maybe mrs V needs to drive herself and dog over.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 13 March 2020, 18:53:38
FFS, in that case we may as well all just hang ourselves now and call it done >:(

Enough of this shit already.
i admire your optimism DG  ;D :D

...
Daughter told work today she is working from home from Monday. Serious asthma problem has made her decide it isn't worth taking the risk. ..
i completely agree with her
time to do all we can to protect the vulnerable after the UK's piss poor handling of it all
it's a financial nightmare BUT what price do you put on the lives of families and loved ones
 

Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Entwood on 13 March 2020, 19:32:18
FFS, in that case we may as well all just hang ourselves now and call it done >:(

Enough of this shit already.
i admire your optimism DG  ;D :D

...
Daughter told work today she is working from home from Monday. Serious asthma problem has made her decide it isn't worth taking the risk. ..
i completely agree with her
time to do all we can to protect the vulnerable after the UK's piss poor handling of it all
it's a financial nightmare BUT what price do you put on the lives of families and loved ones

Why does everyone demand that "government" or "someone" does something .. has everyone forgotton how to think for themselves???

If you are unhappy that a match/show/concert/gathering has not been cancelled .. then don't go to the match/show/concert/gathering..... if you don't want to mix in a coffeebar or pub .. don't go to the coffeebar or the pub .. or the shops.... or anywhere ... that way you "might" delay your exposure to the bug ....

If you have elderly, poorly folk in care homes or their own homes, and you feel rough .. don't visit ... you shouldn't need telling .. it's "common sense" .. if you had measles you wouldn't visit ..... would you ???

I know we joke about the demise of "common sense" but it would appear to have completely left the planet now ....

why do you need "telling" by things being "banned" ????
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 13 March 2020, 19:49:44
it should have been stopped with travel bans, isolation, testing, quarantine before it got out of hand .
no one knows the long term impact
i'm doing what i can to protect my family  :y
not helped by the lax attitude many have about it all
"keep calm and carry on" spreading it all over the place  ::)
the government and authorities should have handled things better
they "wash their hands " of the impact letting it spread will have
 
 
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 13 March 2020, 19:54:43
Just been listening to Frankie.
"If your grandmother or any other member of the family should die.........."  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 13 March 2020, 20:01:12
FFS, in that case we may as well all just hang ourselves now and call it done >:(

Enough of this shit already.
i admire your optimism DG  ;D :D

...
Daughter told work today she is working from home from Monday. Serious asthma problem has made her decide it isn't worth taking the risk. ..
i completely agree with her
time to do all we can to protect the vulnerable after the UK's piss poor handling of it all
it's a financial nightmare BUT what price do you put on the lives of families and loved ones

Why does everyone demand that "government" or "someone" does something .. has everyone forgotton how to think for themselves???

If you are unhappy that a match/show/concert/gathering has not been cancelled .. then don't go to the match/show/concert/gathering..... if you don't want to mix in a coffeebar or pub .. don't go to the coffeebar or the pub .. or the shops.... or anywhere ... that way you "might" delay your exposure to the bug ....

If you have elderly, poorly folk in care homes or their own homes, and you feel rough .. don't visit ... you shouldn't need telling .. it's "common sense" .. if you had measles you wouldn't visit ..... would you ???

I know we joke about the demise of "common sense" but it would appear to have completely left the planet now ....

why do you need "telling" by things being "banned" ????
.   


Absolutely spot on common sense that's all it takes, we have tickets for the theatre on the 19th of March & on the 21st tickets for a live music/band , will we be going definitely not why put yourself at risk needlessly ,we realise we could still get the virus but just got to lessen the odds.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 13 March 2020, 20:04:54
Unfortunately for us, Mrs has to go to school and son has to go to uni. Seems a tad pointless me avoiding going out because, if it's going to land up here, it won't be me that brings it home.



It'll probably just be me that pegs it.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 13 March 2020, 20:07:16
Just been listening to Frankie.
"If your grandmother or any other member of the family should die.........."  ::)
Frankie  :-\    goes to Hollywood ?
will Trump let him  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: LC0112G on 13 March 2020, 21:07:57
it should have been stopped with travel bans, isolation, testing, quarantine before it got out of hand .

I'm afraid that's the flaw in your argument. Once it becomes established in one area (China/Wuhan in this case) it is impossible - absolutely impossible - to stop it spreading world wide. All you can do is slow the rate of spread - you cannot stop it.

The World Health Organisation estimate that reducing air travel by 99.9% would slow the spread of the virus by 2 months.
Similarly reducing air travel by 90% would slow the spread of the virus by 2 weeks.

Personally I think this is going to go on for 6 months or so. All the Govt can hope to do is try to control the rate at which it spreads and hope they can prevent the NHS from collapsing under the load. If everyone caught it on day 1, then by day 7 we'd have 65 million people ill, and if just 5% of those need hospital care we'd be stuffed.

The point appears to be to 'allow' the public to catch the virus at a controlled rate. 95% of people will recover in 2 weeks without NHS involvement.  Once enough people have recovered the hope is that those people can't catch it again, and therefore can't spread it to others.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 13 March 2020, 21:12:05
it should have been stopped with travel bans, isolation, testing, quarantine before it got out of hand .

I'm afraid that's the flaw in your argument. Once it becomes established in one area (China/Wuhan in this case) it is impossible - absolutely impossible - to stop it spreading world wide. All you can do is slow the rate of spread - you cannot stop it.

The World Health Organisation estimate that reducing air travel by 99.9% would slow the spread of the virus by 2 months.
Similarly reducing air travel by 90% would slow the spread of the virus by 2 weeks.

Personally I think this is going to go on for 6 months or so. All the Govt can hope to do is try to control the rate at which it spreads and hope they can prevent the NHS from collapsing under the load. If everyone caught it on day 1, then by day 7 we'd have 65 million people ill, and if just 5% of those need hospital care we'd be stuffed.

The point appears to be to 'allow' the public to catch the virus at a controlled rate. 95% of people will recover in 2 weeks without NHS involvement.  Once enough people have recovered the hope is that those people can't catch it again, and therefore can't spread it to others.
The takeaways I got from that were: Estimate, think, hope, hope, hope again.
Gulp.  :o
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: LC0112G on 13 March 2020, 21:27:51
The takeaways I got from that were: Estimate, think, hope, hope, hope again.
Gulp.  :o

Yup. Another problem is that health workers will typically get exposed to very high doses of the virus on day one - from the first patient they come across who has been incubating the germ for 5+ days. That patients immune system will have been fighting the infection for 5 days, so antibodies will be building and they stand a good chance of surviving.

The health worker on the other hand gets a day 5 level dose of germs but has day zero antibodies, and therefore they become very sick very quickly. If their immune system can't catch up the 5 days of fighting the infection, then you end up with doctors and nurses dying - just when you need them the most. That's why the govt don't want thousands of people who will recover on their own turing up at A&E or their local GP.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 13 March 2020, 21:40:39
Channel 4 News are doing a Corona Virus special which has a slightly hysterical tone, and all the talking heads I've seen so far are saying things like the government should be doing this, the government should be doing that, there's not enough equipment, 10 years of austerity etc etc.  ::)

Leftie tossers!  >:(                                                                  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Andy B on 13 March 2020, 21:43:11
.....

Why does everyone demand that "government" or "someone" does something .. has everyone forgotton how to think for themselves???

If you are unhappy that a match/show/concert/gathering has not been cancelled .. then don't go to the match/show/concert/gathering..... if you don't want to mix in a coffeebar or pub .. don't go to the coffeebar or the pub .. or the shops.... or anywhere ... that way you "might" delay your exposure to the bug ....

If you have elderly, poorly folk in care homes or their own homes, and you feel rough .. don't visit ... you shouldn't need telling .. it's "common sense" .. if you had measles you wouldn't visit ..... would you ???

I know we joke about the demise of "common sense" but it would appear to have completely left the planet now ....

why do you need "telling" by things being "banned" ????

What if that shop is a place where you work and come face to face with the great unwashed?  :-\ Mrs B works in ASDA and she doesn't get sick pay till after day 3
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 13 March 2020, 21:44:56
Channel 4 News are doing a Corona Virus special which has a slightly hysterical tone, and all the talking heads I've seen so far are saying things like the government should be doing this, the government should be doing that, there's not enough equipment, 10 years of austerity etc etc.  ::)

Leftie tossers!  >:(                                                                  ;D

I wouldn't expect anything different from C4. It is an absolutely disgraceful excuse for a TV outlet, and its partly funded by the licence fee btw.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Steve B on 13 March 2020, 21:50:10
Channel 4 News are doing a Corona Virus special which has a slightly hysterical tone, and all the talking heads I've seen so far are saying things like the government should be doing this, the government should be doing that, there's not enough equipment, 10 years of austerity etc etc.  ::)

Leftie tossers!  >:(                                                                  ;D

I wouldn't expect anything different from C4. It is an absolutely disgraceful excuse for a TV outlet, and its partly funded by the licence fee btw.
Thought it was just the good old BBC ?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 13 March 2020, 21:53:32
What with everyone spending their money on toilet rolls, pasta and funeral plans, sport relief will probably get about £7.50 tonight.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 March 2020, 22:07:07
.....

Why does everyone demand that "government" or "someone" does something .. has everyone forgotton how to think for themselves???

If you are unhappy that a match/show/concert/gathering has not been cancelled .. then don't go to the match/show/concert/gathering..... if you don't want to mix in a coffeebar or pub .. don't go to the coffeebar or the pub .. or the shops.... or anywhere ... that way you "might" delay your exposure to the bug ....

If you have elderly, poorly folk in care homes or their own homes, and you feel rough .. don't visit ... you shouldn't need telling .. it's "common sense" .. if you had measles you wouldn't visit ..... would you ???

I know we joke about the demise of "common sense" but it would appear to have completely left the planet now ....

why do you need "telling" by things being "banned" ????

What if that shop is a place where you work and come face to face with the great unwashed?  :-\ Mrs B works in ASDA and she doesn't get sick pay till after day 3
Legally, as of last week, they have to pay it from day one ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 13 March 2020, 23:02:53
Channel 4 News are doing a Corona Virus special which has a slightly hysterical tone, and all the talking heads I've seen so far are saying things like the government should be doing this, the government should be doing that, there's not enough equipment, 10 years of austerity etc etc.  ::)

Leftie tossers!  >:(                                                                  ;D

I wouldn't expect anything different from C4. It is an absolutely disgraceful excuse for a TV outlet, and its partly funded by the licence fee btw.
Thought it was just the good old BBC ?

I have read that it was given a cut of the licence fee, but have just googled it and cant find any evidence now, so you may be right.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Andy B on 14 March 2020, 00:35:17
Quote
....
Legally, as of last week, they have to pay it from day one ;)
I'd heard it was in the pipe line
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 14 March 2020, 10:17:10
Quote
....
Legally, as of last week, they have to pay it from day one ;)
I'd heard it was in the pipe line
so they announce SS Pay from day 1
BUT
you can't go to the doctors ,hospital to get a sick note or have a test or phone 111
so a cheap fake moral booster from the government 
doesn't apply to me anyway and Mrs Builder can work from home and probably will be doing
unfortunately ,most people aren't as lucky 
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: TheBoy on 14 March 2020, 10:19:51
I suppose this means I should work from home more. If that's possible, seeing as I use any excuse to avoid Bletchley ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 14 March 2020, 10:24:22
I suppose this means I should work from home more. If that's possible, seeing as I use any excuse to avoid Bletchley ;D
I thought You would be in a government bunker somewhere orchestrating the cull  :-\   ;D :D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Kevin Wood on 14 March 2020, 11:32:01
I suppose this means I should work from home more. If that's possible, seeing as I use any excuse to avoid Bletchley ;D

Yeah, not been WFH in the 9 months I've been at the new company, but, I now have a cold, so am currently trying to find my desk in the study because paranoia. It's here somewhere under all the bits of radio, bits of car, bits of paper... ::)

Oh, hang on! I've just spotted some wood!  :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 14 March 2020, 12:38:33
Just got back from Morrisons. As I arrived an elderly woman was unloading a very large trolley into the small car. Husband had sat it out in the car.  I overheard her saying " There are hardly any toilet rolls left". This was after she was stuffing her daily purchase limit of toilet rolls  into the car on top of the hand sanitiser and soap, flour, eggs etc. I wanted to say "because you bought them all"

Soap was on my list. Couldn't find it anywhere because........ they had sold out completely.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 14 March 2020, 13:20:18
just add a little disinfectant (most contain Benzalkonium Chloride* active ingredient ) to washing up liquid
or there's always that "soap on a rope" you got for Christmas a few years ago ,or the linx gift sets  ;D

* Benzalkonium Chloride is the active ingredient in non alcohol hand sanitizer foam hospitals use
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 14 March 2020, 15:28:08
Mrs thinks she might be running a bit of a temperature, couldn't find the thermometer so I said I'd pick one up while I was out. HA! Two chemists and Asda pharmacy just looked at me as if I was stupid.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 14 March 2020, 15:33:26
poundworld had plenty a few days ago here in middle England
i picked up a couple
electric ones  :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 14 March 2020, 15:37:38
a thermometer is the sort of thing baby shops, boots etc would have  :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: ronnyd on 14 March 2020, 16:03:52
Mrs thinks she might be running a bit of a temperature, couldn't find the thermometer so I said I'd pick one up while I was out. HA! Two chemists and Asda pharmacy just looked at me as if I was stupid.
Just get the paramedic you call out to use his/her own. :D  Joking aside, hope you all stay safe. 8)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 14 March 2020, 16:17:36
poundworld had plenty a few days ago here in middle England
i picked up a couple
electric ones  :y
Poundworld? Hmmm......they need to be accurate, don't think I'd trust them.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 14 March 2020, 16:39:38
poundworld had plenty a few days ago here in middle England
i picked up a couple
electric ones  :y
Poundworld? Hmmm......they need to be accurate, don't think I'd trust them.
mass produced to a high standard of accuracy to 0.1 degree tolerance precision  :y

better than sticking your sweaty had on the lasses forehead and saying "seems OK"

5 quid on ebay for the same one clicky (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/XXX/164123890110)

being a scouser , surely nicking one from poundland/poundworld  is better than paying £5+ ,especially as your an honorary Yorkshire man too  :-\
 
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 14 March 2020, 17:13:20
poundworld had plenty a few days ago here in middle England
i picked up a couple
electric ones  :y
Poundworld? Hmmm......they need to be accurate, don't think I'd trust them.
mass produced to a high standard of accuracy to 0.1 degree tolerance precision  :y

better than sticking your sweaty had on the lasses forehead and saying "seems OK"

5 quid on ebay for the same one clicky (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/XXX/164123890110)

being a scouser , surely nicking one from poundland/poundworld  is better than paying £5+ ,especially as your an honorary Yorkshire man too  :-\

I think he may be losing his touch. :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 14 March 2020, 17:15:26
cheapest i could find with UK stock on ebay
clicky £2.75 2nd class or £3.75 first class (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Digital-Thermometer-Temperature-reader-Medical-Everyday-Use-Storage-case/371246041139?hash=item566ffd0833:g:oTwAAOSw2s1UyQu-)

waiting for the postman is not a great prospect though
particularly if you live in the Brackley blast zone 

boots sold out online
some argos stores have expensive ones depending on branch stock
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 14 March 2020, 17:19:58


being a scouser , surely nicking one from poundland/poundworld  is better than paying £5+ ,especially as your an honorary Yorkshire man too  :-\

I think he may be losing his touch. :)
he probably doesn't go to poundworld , his fence won't pay much unless he steals in bulk
more money to get high value items from boots ,M&S etc  :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 14 March 2020, 17:30:33


being a scouser , surely nicking one from poundland/poundworld  is better than paying £5+ ,especially as your an honorary Yorkshire man too  :-\

I think he may be losing his touch. :)
he probably doesn't go to poundworld , his fence won't pay much unless he steals in bulk
more money to get high value items from boots ,M&S etc  :y

Don't think he can run very fast these days. Some jobs are probably best left for the young up and coming scally. :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 14 March 2020, 19:41:55
cheapest i could find with UK stock on ebay
clicky £2.75 2nd class or £3.75 first class (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Digital-Thermometer-Temperature-reader-Medical-Everyday-Use-Storage-case/371246041139?hash=item566ffd0833:g:oTwAAOSw2s1UyQu-)

waiting for the postman is not a great prospect though
particularly if you live in the Brackley blast zone 

boots sold out online
some argos stores have expensive ones depending on branch stock
She needed it now, today, before she went to school Monday morning. I could have got one delivered tomorrow on amazon prime....for £35.  :o
Talking of prime, I ordered a CD for my car at 1:30 this aft. It's two stops away.8 hours ish, not bad.  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 14 March 2020, 19:55:32
cheapest i could find with UK stock on ebay
clicky £2.75 2nd class or £3.75 first class (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Digital-Thermometer-Temperature-reader-Medical-Everyday-Use-Storage-case/371246041139?hash=item566ffd0833:g:oTwAAOSw2s1UyQu-)

waiting for the postman is not a great prospect though
particularly if you live in the Brackley blast zone 

boots sold out online
some argos stores have expensive ones depending on branch stock
She needed it now, today, before she went to school Monday morning. I could have got one delivered tomorrow on amazon prime....for £35.  :o
Talking of prime, I ordered a CD for my car at 1:30 this aft. It's two stops away.8 hours ish, not bad.  ;D
i'm sure the school will have a communal thermometer for everyone to use   ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 14 March 2020, 20:09:50
cheapest i could find with UK stock on ebay
clicky £2.75 2nd class or £3.75 first class (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Digital-Thermometer-Temperature-reader-Medical-Everyday-Use-Storage-case/371246041139?hash=item566ffd0833:g:oTwAAOSw2s1UyQu-)

waiting for the postman is not a great prospect though
particularly if you live in the Brackley blast zone 

boots sold out online
some argos stores have expensive ones depending on branch stock
She needed it now, today, before she went to school Monday morning. I could have got one delivered tomorrow on amazon prime....for £35.  :o
Talking of prime, I ordered a CD for my car at 1:30 this aft. It's two stops away.8 hours ish, not bad.  ;D
i'm sure the school will have a communal thermometer for everyone to use   ::)
Yeah. You could infect the whole school in one morning  :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 14 March 2020, 20:18:30
cheapest i could find with UK stock on ebay
clicky £2.75 2nd class or £3.75 first class (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Digital-Thermometer-Temperature-reader-Medical-Everyday-Use-Storage-case/371246041139?hash=item566ffd0833:g:oTwAAOSw2s1UyQu-)

waiting for the postman is not a great prospect though
particularly if you live in the Brackley blast zone 

boots sold out online
some argos stores have expensive ones depending on branch stock
She needed it now, today, before she went to school Monday morning. I could have got one delivered tomorrow on amazon prime....for £35.  :o
Talking of prime, I ordered a CD for my car at 1:30 this aft. It's two stops away.8 hours ish, not bad.  ;D
i'm sure the school will have a communal thermometer for everyone to use   ::)
Yeah. You could infect the whole school in one morning  :y
just get the head teacher to lick it clean between pupils  :P

but in all seriousness , i do hope the good lady is OK and the rest of your loved ones  ;)

obviously ,if you kick the bucket it will be a great loss ,all your helpful technical advice  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 14 March 2020, 20:33:41
cheapest i could find with UK stock on ebay
clicky £2.75 2nd class or £3.75 first class (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Digital-Thermometer-Temperature-reader-Medical-Everyday-Use-Storage-case/371246041139?hash=item566ffd0833:g:oTwAAOSw2s1UyQu-)

waiting for the postman is not a great prospect though
particularly if you live in the Brackley blast zone 

boots sold out online
some argos stores have expensive ones depending on branch stock
She needed it now, today, before she went to school Monday morning. I could have got one delivered tomorrow on amazon prime....for £35.  :o
Talking of prime, I ordered a CD for my car at 1:30 this aft. It's two stops away.8 hours ish, not bad.  ;D
i'm sure the school will have a communal thermometer for everyone to use   ::)
Yeah. You could infect the whole school in one morning  :y
just get the head teacher to lick it clean between pupils  :P

but in all seriousness , i do hope the good lady is OK and the rest of your loved ones  ;)

obviously ,if you kick the bucket it will be a great loss ,all your helpful technical advice  ;D
Far Cough, you.

I was just listening to Jurgen Klopp being all philosophical about the cancelled football games and wondering if the players will get statuary sick pay? £94 a week, bit of a comedown from 150 grand.

Oh, and the missus seems fine, thank you  :-*
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 14 March 2020, 20:37:52
i know nothing about football , but he should have saved up for a bad week off sick Uncle Stemo
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 15 March 2020, 08:25:40
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1238837158007447558.html
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: TheBoy on 15 March 2020, 09:33:32
Just got back from Morrisons. As I arrived an elderly woman was unloading a very large trolley into the small car. Husband had sat it out in the car.  I overheard her saying " There are hardly any toilet rolls left". This was after she was stuffing her daily purchase limit of toilet rolls  into the car on top of the hand sanitiser and soap, flour, eggs etc. I wanted to say "because you bought them all"

Soap was on my list. Couldn't find it anywhere because........ they had sold out completely.
They might have been good Samaritans, and picking it up for fellow elderly neighbours who may be unable or unwilling to go out themselves.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 15 March 2020, 09:35:58
Just got back from Morrisons. As I arrived an elderly woman was unloading a very large trolley into the small car. Husband had sat it out in the car.  I overheard her saying " There are hardly any toilet rolls left". This was after she was stuffing her daily purchase limit of toilet rolls  into the car on top of the hand sanitiser and soap, flour, eggs etc. I wanted to say "because you bought them all"

Soap was on my list. Couldn't find it anywhere because........ they had sold out completely.
They might have been good Samaritans, and picking it up for fellow elderly neighbours who may be unable or unwilling to go out themselves.
Yeah, they might have been.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 15 March 2020, 11:33:59
Just got back from Morrisons. As I arrived an elderly woman was unloading a very large trolley into the small car. Husband had sat it out in the car.  I overheard her saying " There are hardly any toilet rolls left". This was after she was stuffing her daily purchase limit of toilet rolls  into the car on top of the hand sanitiser and soap, flour, eggs etc. I wanted to say "because you bought them all"

Soap was on my list. Couldn't find it anywhere because........ they had sold out completely.
They might have been good Samaritans, and picking it up for fellow elderly neighbours who may be unable or unwilling to go out themselves.
Yeah, they might have been.
.   


And pigs might fly 😄
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 15 March 2020, 11:49:14
Just got back from Morrisons. As I arrived an elderly woman was unloading a very large trolley into the small car. Husband had sat it out in the car.  I overheard her saying " There are hardly any toilet rolls left". This was after she was stuffing her daily purchase limit of toilet rolls  into the car on top of the hand sanitiser and soap, flour, eggs etc. I wanted to say "because you bought them all"

Soap was on my list. Couldn't find it anywhere because........ they had sold out completely.
They might have been good Samaritans, and picking it up for fellow elderly neighbours who may be unable or unwilling to go out themselves.
Yeah, they might have been.
.   


And pigs might fly 😄
last week I picked up shopping for the 80+ year old lady next door, we often do ,along with shopping for older family members
and it looks like soon we will be collecting ALL the shopping etc , not just heavy items ,because 70+ year olds will be asked to stay in .

Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 15 March 2020, 12:45:01
Just got back from Morrisons. As I arrived an elderly woman was unloading a very large trolley into the small car. Husband had sat it out in the car.  I overheard her saying " There are hardly any toilet rolls left". This was after she was stuffing her daily purchase limit of toilet rolls  into the car on top of the hand sanitiser and soap, flour, eggs etc. I wanted to say "because you bought them all"

Soap was on my list. Couldn't find it anywhere because........ they had sold out completely.
They might have been good Samaritans, and picking it up for fellow elderly neighbours who may be unable or unwilling to go out themselves.
Yeah, they might have been.
.   


And pigs might fly 😄
last week I picked up shopping for the 80+ year old lady next door, we often do ,along with shopping for older family members
and it looks like soon we will be collecting ALL the shopping etc , not just heavy items ,because 70+ year olds will be asked to stay in .

That is about 50% of OOF.

Old codgers waiting for a visit from God......or the grim reaper. :)

Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 15 March 2020, 12:52:02
Just got back from Morrisons. As I arrived an elderly woman was unloading a very large trolley into the small car. Husband had sat it out in the car.  I overheard her saying " There are hardly any toilet rolls left". This was after she was stuffing her daily purchase limit of toilet rolls  into the car on top of the hand sanitiser and soap, flour, eggs etc. I wanted to say "because you bought them all"

Soap was on my list. Couldn't find it anywhere because........ they had sold out completely.
They might have been good Samaritans, and picking it up for fellow elderly neighbours who may be unable or unwilling to go out themselves.
Yeah, they might have been.
.   


And pigs might fly 😄
last week I picked up shopping for the 80+ year old lady next door, we often do ,along with shopping for older family members
and it looks like soon we will be collecting ALL the shopping etc , not just heavy items ,because 70+ year olds will be asked to stay in .

That is about 50% of OOF.

Old codgers waiting for a visit from God......or the grim reaper. :)
They might be asked......... ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: ronnyd on 15 March 2020, 12:54:16
Just got back from Morrisons. As I arrived an elderly woman was unloading a very large trolley into the small car. Husband had sat it out in the car.  I overheard her saying " There are hardly any toilet rolls left". This was after she was stuffing her daily purchase limit of toilet rolls  into the car on top of the hand sanitiser and soap, flour, eggs etc. I wanted to say "because you bought them all"

Soap was on my list. Couldn't find it anywhere because........ they had sold out completely.
They might have been good Samaritans, and picking it up for fellow elderly neighbours who may be unable or unwilling to go out themselves.
Yeah, they might have been.
.   


And pigs might fly 😄
last week I picked up shopping for the 80+ year old lady next door, we often do ,along with shopping for older family members
and it looks like soon we will be collecting ALL the shopping etc , not just heavy items ,because 70+ year olds will be asked to stay in .

That is about 50% of OOF.

Old codgers waiting for a visit from God......or the grim reaper. :)


Including you too i would imagine.  ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 15 March 2020, 12:54:38
,because 70+ year olds will be asked to stay in .

That is about 50% of OOF.

Old codgers waiting for a visit from God......or the grim reaper. :)
Corona-virus won't "free up" that many Omegas  if that's the carrot your trying to dangle :-X ;D :D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 15 March 2020, 12:55:46
I can imagine what some of the people I know who are 70+ will say about this advice 😃😀😄
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 15 March 2020, 13:02:00
I can imagine what some of the people I know who are 70+ will say about this advice 😃😀😄
indeed , life vs quality of life and all that

but for those who are happy to stop home and watch countdown , the younger generation need to help ,where possible
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 15 March 2020, 15:46:22
I can imagine what some of the people I know who are 70+ will say about this advice 😃😀😄
indeed , life vs quality of life and all that

but for those who are happy to stop home and watch countdown , the younger generation need to help ,where possible
With the conundrum?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 15 March 2020, 15:56:49
I can imagine what some of the people I know who are 70+ will say about this advice 😃😀😄
indeed , life vs quality of life and all that

but for those who are happy to stop home and watch countdown , the younger generation need to help ,where possible
With the conundrum?

I hope not because i don't know any words bigger than 4 letters and i can't spell or count   ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: TheBoy on 15 March 2020, 16:03:39
Was in Costco earlier, and punters were going berserk over bog roll, which was being limited to 1 pack per customer, for obvious reasons.

There are 45 rolls to a pack.

Yet people were still trying various stunts to get multiple packs.

Christ, no wonder there is a shortage if families are getting through 45 rolls or shitter paper that quickly.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 15 March 2020, 16:12:05
I think I saw somewhere that Pornhub are giving their premium content out for free due to Covid-19, so that's why people are stocking up on bog roll.  :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 15 March 2020, 16:14:21
Why are some humans obsessed with shit ? i can understand food & sex but shit ..
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 15 March 2020, 16:44:39
Was in Costco earlier, and punters were going berserk over bog roll, which was being limited to 1 pack per customer, for obvious reasons.

There are 45 rolls to a pack.

Yet people were still trying various stunts to get multiple packs.

Christ, no wonder there is a shortage if families are getting through 45 rolls or shitter paper that quickly.
I went down to our local co op this morning, a small supermarket. As soon as I got in the door, bog roll. Further down the aisle, dried pasta and rice, plenty of it. Someone said they couldn't get in the Aldi car park up the road, so they had obviously discounted the co op and gone straight to Aldi.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rods2 on 15 March 2020, 17:33:39
What has come clear today is that the plan is to get over 70's & anybody with chronic pre-existing health conditions that makes them vulnerable to Covid-19 to self-isolate with at least a 12 week lockdown & all under 50's carrying on as normal, schools staying open etc, so the majority get it over the next 3 months to build up herd immunity. The 50-69 age group is a grey area with I suspect most of the hospital admissions, ICU critical cases & deaths being due to chronic health conditions.

This approach implies taking a short term massive 3-6 month economic hit, that it doesn't mutate further from the current S & L types. As more people have had it then there life can return to normal, but for travel they may need to have an antibody test to prove they've had it with a stamp put in their passport? What is going to get hit very hard over the next 3-6 months hardest are:

1. Travel, tourism, hotel & hospitality industries, Virgin asking for the UK passenger airlines getting loans to the tune of £5-7.5bn from the government which will be paid back once they recover. Where the majority of my work is for an insurance broker that specializes in travel insurance, they & I are going to have to take a hit here. Fortunately, I've got enough in my rainy day fund to see me through to about September. But as a type 2 diabetic I will be part of this isolating lockdown for 3 months. It is going to be very tough on the many who are employed on zero hours contracts where many will be working zero hours.

2. Entertainment, cafes & restaurants will be second heaviest hit industry.

3. Any non-essential retailer or business as people will be pulling their belts-in.

4. Property market as this is always hit hard in times of uncertainty.

But it will be a limited time hit in the UK where I suspect in lockdown countries it will be prolonged with multiple peaks, which if it follows the 1918 Spanish flu profile, where a lowesh summer peak, a quiet autumn was followed by really gruesome massive 2nd winter peak which the UK government wants to avoid with Covid-19.

The Italian statistics show that there have no deaths in under 30's, 2 in the under 50s, 10 in the 50-59 age range, 60 in the 60-69's, 274 in the 70-79's, 355 in the 80-89's and 75 in the over 90's. The ICU figures follow a similar profile.

This profile is very different from the Chinese one for two reasons 50%+ of Chinese men smoke, but even more telling is the long term lung damage caused by their chronic air pollution where their air quality is one of the worst on earth.

As for the UK Government's approach I personally think they have played it very, very well to date where our infection rates have been below those of Italy, France, Germany & Spain by about 2 weeks, which has bought more statistics & more insight into what will hopefully be a best outcome strategy, where we have all got to responsibly play our part.

If this strategy works hopefully it will be adopted by other countries, so the world can get back to normal over the next 6 to 12 months.

China needs to now really act over the eating of raw wild animals where by tradition eating these 'delicacies' is considered 'healthier', including live baby mice, bats, dogs etc. than domesticated animal's cooked meat. A Chinese university study published in March 2019, where a Chinese coronavirus caused SARS found that Chinese bats carry a wide range of them just waiting to jump species. :(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 15 March 2020, 17:34:58
What has come clear today is that the plan is to get over 70's & anybody with chronic pre-existing health conditions that makes them vulnerable to Covid-19 to self-isolate with at least a 12 week lockdown & all under 50's carrying on as normal, schools staying open etc, so the majority get it over the next 3 months to build up herd immunity. The 50-69 age group is a grey area with I suspect most of the hospital admissions, ICU critical cases & deaths being due to chronic health conditions.

This approach implies taking a short term massive 3-6 month economic hit, that it doesn't mutate further from the current S & L types. As more people have had it then there life can return to normal, but for travel they may need to have an antibody test to prove they've had it with a stamp put in their passport? What is going to get hit very hard over the next 3-6 months hardest are:

1. Travel, tourism, hotel & hospitality industries, Virgin asking for the UK passenger airlines getting loans to the tune of £5-7.5bn from the government which will be paid back once they recover. Where the majority of my work is for an insurance broker that specializes in travel insurance, they & I are going to have to take a hit here. Fortunately, I've got enough in my rainy day fund to see me through to about September. But as a type 2 diabetic I will be part of this isolating lockdown for 3 months. It is going to be very tough on the many who are employed on zero hours contracts where many will be working zero hours.

2. Entertainment, cafes & restaurants will be second heaviest hit industry.

3. Any non-essential retailer or business as people will be pulling their belts-in.

4. Property market as this is always hit hard in times of uncertainty.

But it will be a limited time hit in the UK where I suspect in lockdown countries it will be prolonged with multiple peaks, which if it follows the 1918 Spanish flu profile, where a lowesh summer peak, a quiet autumn was followed by really gruesome massive 2nd winter peak which the UK government wants to avoid with Covid-19.

The Italian statistics show that there have no deaths in under 30's, 2 in the under 50s, 10 in the 50-59 age range, 60 in the 60-69's, 274 in the 70-79's, 355 in the 80-89's and 75 in the over 90's. The ICU figures follow a similar profile.

This profile is very different from the Chinese one for two reasons 50%+ of Chinese men smoke, but even more telling is the long term lung damage caused by their chronic air pollution where their air quality is one of the worst on earth.

As for the UK Government's approach I personally think they have played it very, very well to date where our infection rates have been below those of Italy, France, Germany & Spain by about 2 weeks, which has bought more statistics & more insight into what will hopefully be a best outcome strategy, where we have all got to responsibly play our part.

If this strategy works hopefully it will be adopted by other countries, so the world can get back to normal over the next 6 to 12 months.

China needs to now really act over the eating of raw wild animals where by tradition eating these 'delicacies' is considered 'healthier', including live baby mice, bats, dogs etc. than domesticated animal's cooked meat. A Chinese university study published in March 2019, where a Chinese coronavirus caused SARS found that Chinese bats carry a wide range of them just waiting to jump species. :(
I got as far as 'schools staying open' and, as I know that's not true I didn't read any further.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 15 March 2020, 17:40:29
https://www.tes.com/news/coronavirus-schools-close-all-children-key-workers
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 15 March 2020, 17:59:28
If they shut the pubs in Ireland then we will know things are really serious.
Bahrain and Vietnamese GP,s are now also postponed.
Daughter told work today she is working from home from Monday. Serious asthma problem has made her decide it isn't worth taking the risk. Particularly as she went back to work the day after an op on her shoulder a few months ago and the only reaction was " you don't seem very happy at the moment, cheer up for gods sake".

Update. Irish Govt. have asked all pubs to close for two weeks. So it must be really serious.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 15 March 2020, 18:01:58
If they shut the pubs in Ireland then we will know things are really serious.
Bahrain and Vietnamese GP,s are now also postponed.
Daughter told work today she is working from home from Monday. Serious asthma problem has made her decide it isn't worth taking the risk. Particularly as she went back to work the day after an op on her shoulder a few months ago and the only reaction was " you don't seem very happy at the moment, cheer up for gods sake".

Update. Irish Govt. have asked all pubs to close for two weeks. So it must be really serious.
St Paddy's day on Monday, bet Liverpool will be leaping.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 15 March 2020, 18:14:30
Likewise Steve >:(

None of all that pompous, self-righteous panic mongering bullshit does anything to guarantee that I will have a job at the end of this week, let alone the end of the month...

Rationally, I know that this is a short term problem, but it's difficult to stay positive when certain people think that they know better than anyone else. Especially when I know full well that if my Mum, like many others gets it, then it will almost certainly kill her.

If you're so oppsing clever Rods, then perhaps you should better spend your time doing rather than spouting :-X
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 15 March 2020, 18:23:37
If they shut the pubs in Ireland then we will know things are really serious.
Bahrain and Vietnamese GP,s are now also postponed.
Daughter told work today she is working from home from Monday. Serious asthma problem has made her decide it isn't worth taking the risk. Particularly as she went back to work the day after an op on her shoulder a few months ago and the only reaction was " you don't seem very happy at the moment, cheer up for gods sake".

Update. Irish Govt. have asked all pubs to close for two weeks. So it must be really serious.

Yes, very serious indeed, and I bet all the shops selling booze will now be over run! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;)

And people are still panic buying toilet rolls! :o :o  Come on, booze must be more of a priority! :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 15 March 2020, 18:24:20
.....stay positive when certain people think that they know better than anyone else.


The thing is , no one does know , it's new , look what has happened in 3 months
advice is changing daily , they want it to spread , oh dear ,it's spreading  :o

no one knows long term what will happen , so surely a cautious approach is wise
in 12 months we could all be dead , or over this mild cold , who knows
 
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 15 March 2020, 18:32:18
But we are all, thankfully, miles (or should that be 100's of thousands) away from the death toll of Spanish Flue in GB during 1918/19.

Yes, sadly, there will be many deaths and we all MUST be careful as people are going to be affected, even if, like DG, it is by way of their employment. :'( :'( :'(

But this virus is still all being blown out of proportion and causing panic that, without the media, could have been avoided.

But, hey, I know FA, so I am now going to withdraw into my home for months.................no I bloody will not, I am English, as in Keep Calm and Carry On!! :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 15 March 2020, 18:34:32
The Irish have lost their touch....  :-\

You'd think they of all people would have one last knees up before going into hibernation!  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 15 March 2020, 18:38:58
The Irish have lost their touch....  :-\

You'd think they of all people would have one last knees up before going into hibernation!  ;D

Now that is an idea I can go with; a bloody good Celtic wake! 8) 8) :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 15 March 2020, 19:00:14
They'll all be heading to Belfast on Tuesday.  ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 15 March 2020, 19:10:26
They'll all be heading to Belfast on Tuesday.  ;)

I am going to book a flight now..................oh, hang on there will be no flights ::) ::) :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 15 March 2020, 19:15:09
Really looking forward to hearing the announcement that Ryanair has gone to the wall, used them once & never again absolute shite.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 15 March 2020, 19:23:26
Really looking forward to hearing the announcement that Ryanair has gone to the wall, used them once & never again absolute shite.

Trouble is that many people across the airline industry will be out of work soon, as DG has touched on.

That is the real danger from the virus, which people are panicking over.  Peoples financial situation will suffer far more from the virus than their health will.  That, for me, is the result of humans panicking and not keeping calm and carrying on! ::) ::) :(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 15 March 2020, 19:33:45
For all its faults, and there are many, Ryanair will be alright, as will EasyJet.

I would be very surprised if Norwegian sees Wednesday.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 15 March 2020, 19:35:33
Was in Costco earlier, and punters were going berserk over bog roll, which was being limited to 1 pack per customer, for obvious reasons.

There are 45 rolls to a pack.

Yet people were still trying various stunts to get multiple packs.

Christ, no wonder there is a shortage if families are getting through 45 rolls or shitter paper that quickly.


 Was at a Lidl DC, Friday, floors absolutely full of products, they are having 3 loads per day of bog roll, which per trailer is  72 euro pallets per trailer, 3 layers per pallet, don't know what the pack count per pallet was.. Only problem know is Europe has closed borders which could start having effects on supplies across Europe, most EE traffic starts to arrive in Calais Tuesday/Wednesday, will be interesting to see what M20/M2 like will tell the story then. 
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 15 March 2020, 19:43:35
I noticed that "Tuesday" Branson has asked the Govt. (taxpayers) to bung the airline industry £6.5 billion to see them through this.
Words fail me.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 15 March 2020, 19:57:28
If staff are laid off, the government will be footing the bill anyway...

That said, Flybe was a nationwide flying bus service and that didn't warrant saving, so it would be fair to say that some big players are literally shitting themselves.

Also the industry isn't just the airlines... It's the handling agents, suppliers, maintenance operations, travel agents, mothballing costs, redundancy costs all having to be funded from non existent revenue.

Granted, most of the stoppages will be limited in duration, think volcanic eruptions, but some airlines didn't learn from that event or 9/11, so on balance those airlines will fail.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 15 March 2020, 19:59:47
Just trying to think of an old codger I'd be glad to see the back of for four months in isolation. Jeremy Corbyn gets my vote.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 15 March 2020, 20:07:08
Just trying to think of an old codger I'd be glad to see the back of for four months in isolation. Jeremy Corbyn gets my vote.

 :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 15 March 2020, 20:35:47
Was in Costco earlier, and punters were going berserk over bog roll, which was being limited to 1 pack per customer, for obvious reasons.

There are 45 rolls to a pack.

Yet people were still trying various stunts to get multiple packs.

Christ, no wonder there is a shortage if families are getting through 45 rolls or shitter paper that quickly.
they might have been buying for neighbours...........
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 15 March 2020, 20:43:59
Was in Costco earlier, and punters were going berserk over bog roll, which was being limited to 1 pack per customer, for obvious reasons.

There are 45 rolls to a pack.

Yet people were still trying various stunts to get multiple packs.

Christ, no wonder there is a shortage if families are getting through 45 rolls or shitter paper that quickly.
they might have been buying for neighbours...........
Yeah. They might have been.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 15 March 2020, 21:01:02
Day 5,689.

Lets summarise.

It is just a cold, no one is going to die except a few people that are elderly or have asthma or other underlying medical conditions.

You catch it from proximity so stuff isolation, we Brits need to get out and share germs equally

The reality still hasn't sunk in but then Britain is still a couple of weeks behind the Italians or the Spanish.



A friends daughter still thinks she is going to Majorca next Saturday on holiday. I wonder how many people are expecting to go abroad on holiday at Easter, May or even late Summer.? It is only a cold after all.

Interesting couple of observations about the Chinese. The local Chinese poundshop near us in Spain has had its staff wearing masks for a week now. OH asked if they had any for sale ( for use during the pollen season). No but we have three left for our use. And gave her one for free. A Chinese restaurant in Filey has closed. Is this part of a grand atonement plan? Will they stop eating live animals or raw meat? No
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 15 March 2020, 21:01:11
Was in Costco earlier, and punters were going berserk over bog roll, which was being limited to 1 pack per customer, for obvious reasons.

There are 45 rolls to a pack.

Yet people were still trying various stunts to get multiple packs.

Christ, no wonder there is a shortage if families are getting through 45 rolls or shitter paper that quickly.


 Was at a Lidl DC, Friday, floors absolutely full of products, they are having 3 loads per day of bog roll, which per trailer is  72 euro pallets per trailer, 3 layers per pallet, don't know what the pack count per pallet was.. Only problem know is Europe has closed borders which could start having effects on supplies across Europe, most EE traffic starts to arrive in Calais Tuesday/Wednesday, will be interesting to see what M20/M2 like will tell the story then.

Oh, do not worry, the people in our parts will be hijacking those lorries on the M20 as part of the panicking strategy!  ::) ::) ;D ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 15 March 2020, 21:03:50
Isn't Costco like bookers cash and carry ?
so shops , clubs, pubs etc go to buy bulk because they need bulk to supply to customers
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 15 March 2020, 21:12:04
Isn't Costco like bookers cash and carry ?
so shops , clubs, pubs etc go to buy bulk because they need bulk to supply to customers

 It was, but then it became a "members club"  meant for business, but all you had to do was be introduced by said business, then you got a card, all I've noticed is seems to be a lot of foreign types frequent the MK one.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 15 March 2020, 22:29:51
The evening the US Federal Reserve Bank has dropped interest rates to zero and launched a $700bn Quantitive Easing programme.

Stock Market futures have plunged....
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 15 March 2020, 23:02:05
Meanwhile the EU dream is collapsing before their eyes. Germany has closed its borders, when it isn't supposed to have any, and no doubt the others will follow in the coming days.
Every cloud...….
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Davies on 15 March 2020, 23:31:26
Isn't Costco like bookers cash and carry ?
so shops , clubs, pubs etc go to buy bulk because they need bulk to supply to customers

NHS staff could join with proof of ID. They also did tyres and used to get the Omega tyres there as it was cheaper than most of the other drop in and wait places for that size tyre. The problem with the bulk buy food is that you end up with too much. In the end I let my membership lapse.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rods2 on 15 March 2020, 23:36:50
Likewise Steve >:(

None of all that pompous, self-righteous panic mongering bullshit does anything to guarantee that I will have a job at the end of this week, let alone the end of the month...

Rationally, I know that this is a short term problem, but it's difficult to stay positive when certain people think that they know better than anyone else. Especially when I know full well that if my Mum, like many others gets it, then it will almost certainly kill her.

If you're so oppsing clever Rods, then perhaps you should better spend your time doing rather than spouting :-X

That is what I've been doing today on a normal day off. Your situation isn't unique & it has hit the travel insurance market big time, as there are lots of areas of uncharted territory, lots of worried passengers, some travelled & some due to travel, where nothing like this has happened before, all creating massive amounts of additional work. ???

An example: Some airlines are giving refunds, but others aren't, only new dates once you can fly again.

In 2015 I had a serious viral infection, which infected my eyes, I lost the use of my right arm through nerve damage, but I eventually gradually got that function back. It took me 10 weeks to beat the virus & long term it has left me partially sighted, with my right eye only just above the level of blindness & I can't read with it & wear an eye patch when working where is distracts my better eye. Everyday for me, life is more difficult & challenging as a result, but I have no choice but to get on with it. I'm well aware from personal experience on how dangerous viruses can be. You can go & get another job but I can't get another optic nerve for my right eye!
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 16 March 2020, 07:14:51
Change of tack for me today. I'm getting a bit fed up listening to the doomsayers, many of whom are just actually making stuff up, without any real evidence to back it up. I will watch the one o'clock and ten o'clock news, not the rolling news channels that are usually on in the background, and I will try to get on with my day as normal.
Even in the so-called worse case scenario, most of us will come out the other side, not harmed by the virus, but severely harmed by the overreaction to it.
Fretting about what might happen has become a national pastime, I'm out.

I'll be glad when this is all over and we can get back to dying from climate change.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 16 March 2020, 07:38:43
Let's ramp up the panic
 https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/uk-coronavirus-crisis-to-last-until-spring-2021-and-could-see-79m-hospitalised
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 16 March 2020, 08:03:50
For all its faults, and there are many, Ryanair will be alright, as will EasyJet.

The folks I know working for EasyJet aren't so sure - and may well get the chop as well. Likewise British Airways has told its staff that they are likely to face 'mass redundancies' or words to that effect.

Change of tack for me today. I'm getting a bit fed up listening to the doomsayers,

Likewise, I'm rather tired of the endless stream of people in a position of power (doctors, government, etc etc) either saying or being quoted as saying "We're all going to die, the end is nigh, nothing we can do can stop this, you can get it more than once, there's no immunity" and so on and then in the same breath saying "Please don't panic buy, we have a robust supply chain" - you can't have it both ways, you retards. If we're all going to die, there will be no supply chain, so those who are left better have 'panic bought' or be good with weapons!

I'm also sick and tired of people turning the whole thing political with "This is proof that the Tories hate all the old/sick/disabled and want them all to die!", "Corbyn never would have let this happen!", or in two extreme cases that I saw; "All this working from home is PROOF that CORBYN was RIGHT about FREE INTERNET FOR ALL!" and, of course, "Italy has closed it's borders, I THOUGHT YOU COULDN'T DO THAT UNDER THE EU, BREXITEERS! SEE HOW WRONG YOU WERE!"

I'm tired of it all, as I suspect many others are.. and at this point I'm starting to think two things may turn out to be true:

The global economy will crash.
The economic crash and continuous stream of doom and gloom will 'kill' (indirectly - suicide, etc) more people than the virus will.


Sod free internet for all - just turn the oppsing thing off.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: BazaJT on 16 March 2020, 08:32:44
I'm a lifelong antisocial old f@rt who rarely goes anywhere and don't get visitors,so maybe this will finally pay off ;D But the way I see it I will either get the virus or I won't,if I get it I'll either survive it or I won't.At least it'll be quicker than cancer/Alzheimers/other such things and something will eventually stop the clock.Family history back to[and including]grandparents would suggest I'm getting near the top of the tree as far as longevity is concerned.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 16 March 2020, 09:34:08
It's all the armchair generals like Piers Morgan that are seriously pissing me off!  >:(  He should be locked up for scaremongering, inducing hysteria or some such thing.  ::)

If people actually bother to look at the statistics we're actually doing quite well here compared to our continental neighbours as we all recorded our first cases at roughly the same time.  :y

Not that you'd believe it if you listen to the online hate mob who seem to have switched their hysteria from BREXIT to the virus, where #torygenecide was trending on Twitter yesterday.  ::)  self-abusers!  >:(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Nick W on 16 March 2020, 10:08:49
I think Boris's first ever attempt to be statesman like, and support sensible advice presented by experts has backfired. We all know he is proven to be incapable of telling any sort of truth, so immediately assume that 11 out of 10 people will die within 12 nano-seconds of coming close to anyone who can spell coronavirus.


If he had proposed building a factory(on a bridge) to make special NBC suits designed to look like clowns, to be worn by virus hunters who would spray your house through the letter box from a tank mounted on a union flag painted new London bus flanked by Boris bike outriders we would have decided that perhaps it would be better to stay at home during the March sniffles, and to get the kids to phone Granny instead of driving 20 miles to visit her. It's a bit inconvenient, we would say but did you see that oppswit Boris's plan?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 16 March 2020, 14:27:29
Here's a conspiracy theory for you all..
 The virus was engineered by the cunning Chinese, to create a global slump, so they could buy up all the shares of every company, and rule THE WORLD... Just a thought, Hell of a James Bond plot,,, sorry Mrs broccoli it's my idea, pay me £1millons please,or a percentage of the films takings..
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 16 March 2020, 14:51:08
Here's a conspiracy theory for you all..
 The virus was engineered by the cunning Chinese, to create a global slump, so they could buy up all the shares of every company, and rule THE WORLD... Just a thought, Hell of a James Bond plot,,, sorry Mrs broccoli it's my idea, pay me £1millons please,or a percentage of the films takings..

My sources tell me the culprit is North Korea. :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 16 March 2020, 14:54:06
Here's a conspiracy theory for you all..
 The virus was engineered by the cunning Chinese, to create a global slump, so they could buy up all the shares of every company, and rule THE WORLD... Just a thought, Hell of a James Bond plot,,, sorry Mrs broccoli it's my idea, pay me £1millons please,or a percentage of the films takings..

My sources tell me the culprit is North Korea. :)


  Would we get that sex goddess Rita jack a Patti, to play along side TB as 007 and a bit. DG as Q, and miss zoom as Moneypenny ....  ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 16 March 2020, 15:37:25
It's all the armchair generals like Piers Morgan that are seriously pissing me off!  >:(  He should be locked up for scaremongering, inducing hysteria or some such thing.  ::)

If people actually bother to look at the statistics we're actually doing quite well here compared to our continental neighbours as we all recorded our first cases at roughly the same time.  :y

Not that you'd believe it if you listen to the online hate mob who seem to have switched their hysteria from BREXIT to the virus, where #torygenecide was trending on Twitter yesterday.  ::)  self-abusers!  >:(

He should be locked up for being a c**t. Maybe he could share a cell with the arsehole known as Jeremy Kyle. :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 16 March 2020, 16:00:04
And the Americans are panic buying.........guns!
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 16 March 2020, 16:07:18
And the Americans are panic buying.........guns!
Of course, gotta get ready for the zombie apocalypse.  ;D

Toilet roll shortage at Walgreens, yanks shooting each other in the aisles. I'd watch the news for that.  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 16 March 2020, 16:11:37
If this truly is the End Of Days as Rods predicts, hoarding food etc won't do you any good.. hoarding guns, on the other hand, does let you protect your family.

No point investing in gold right now.. copper jacketed lead, on the other hand..
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 16 March 2020, 16:16:06
how else are you going to protect your toilet rolls  :-\
the police will be self isolating too ,even if it is a serious crime like toilet roll theft  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 16 March 2020, 16:33:10
All Vauxhall, Citroen and Peugeot plants closing down, the price of my astra will go through the roof.  :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 16 March 2020, 16:35:28
In other news, the weather is lovely today and poppy dog had a great time chasing squirrels.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 16 March 2020, 16:50:55
In other news, the weather is lovely today and poppy dog had a great time chasing squirrels.

Yep, beautiful outside. Popped to Costa at lunchtime and trade doesn't appear to be down at all - local retail park is just as busy as always..
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: TheBoy on 16 March 2020, 17:40:18
Isn't Costco like bookers cash and carry ?
so shops , clubs, pubs etc go to buy bulk because they need bulk to supply to customers

 It was, but then it became a "members club"  meant for business, but all you had to do was be introduced by said business, then you got a card, all I've noticed is seems to be a lot of foreign types frequent the MK one.
Welcome to Milton Keynes.

The MK branch, being MK, is also overrun with unruly kids ripping everything open, and the parents entering a full barrage of abuse when a staff member asks them to control their little bastard offsprings, from 8 different fathers.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: TheBoy on 16 March 2020, 17:43:15
Was in Costco earlier, and punters were going berserk over bog roll, which was being limited to 1 pack per customer, for obvious reasons.

There are 45 rolls to a pack.

Yet people were still trying various stunts to get multiple packs.

Christ, no wonder there is a shortage if families are getting through 45 rolls or shitter paper that quickly.
they might have been buying for neighbours...........
I'm sure some of it was. But 45 rolls should be shared adequately amongst neighbours.  Although one irate person of east African descent was trying to say he had 2 children, thus needed several packs.

Maybe Somalians feed shitter roll to their offspring, once the little bastards have stopped wrecking everything in sight.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: TheBoy on 16 March 2020, 17:45:21
And the Americans are panic buying.........guns!
Of course, gotta get ready for the zombie apocalypse.  ;D

Toilet roll shortage at Walgreens, yanks shooting each other in the aisles. I'd watch the news for that.  ;D
Lets legalise them here.  That'll sort everything out.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Carfix on 16 March 2020, 17:45:39
Boris been on the radio. It looks like there are going to be a round of "social isolation". No more going to the pub and I guess my local beer festival will be cancelled!!!!!!
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: TheBoy on 16 March 2020, 17:46:22
In other news, the weather is lovely today and poppy dog had a great time chasing squirrels.
I was going to go fly something, but had to cut the grass for the 2nd time this year :(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 16 March 2020, 18:24:39
Well.....after hearing the latest pronouncements, al I can say is "What a bunch of f**king idiots". Schools are to stay open. Anyone who has a family member with a cough or a temperature should stay at home for two weeks. Wifey lost four members of staff within minutes of the second statement, so HTF will schools be able to stay open?  ;D
I shouldn't have put that smiley, as she is on her way home and quite stressed.

Did I just cough..........?  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 16 March 2020, 19:22:25
Well.....after hearing the latest pronouncements, al I can say is "What a bunch of f**king idiots". Schools are to stay open. Anyone who has a family member with a cough or a temperature should stay at home for two weeks. Wifey lost four members of staff within minutes of the second statement, so HTF will schools be able to stay open?  ;D
I shouldn't have put that smiley, as she is on her way home and quite stressed.

Did I just cough..........?  ::)

I shall miss you when the reaper puts his scrawny hand on your shoulder. :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 16 March 2020, 19:23:42
yep
the knobsheads are on the back foot ,
lets get it spread everywhere to build up immunity
oh look, it's spread , all over the country
lets try and get some respirators ,hospital beds, nurses etc etc
oh ye  :-[  , the whole world is snapping them up
 
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 March 2020, 19:49:37
yep
the knobsheads are on the back foot ,
lets get it spread everywhere to build up immunity
oh look, it's spread , all over the country
lets try and get some respirators ,hospital beds, nurses etc etc
oh ye  :-[  , the whole world is snapping them up
Waving your arms around blaming the government isn't an effective strategy either :-X
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 16 March 2020, 19:52:32
yep
the knobsheads are on the back foot ,
lets get it spread everywhere to build up immunity
oh look, it's spread , all over the country
lets try and get some respirators ,hospital beds, nurses etc etc
oh ye  :-[  , the whole world is snapping them up
 

Yes, calm down dear!  :)

Cast a glance over the channel and see how their governments are doing things and how it's working out for them.  :-X  :(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 16 March 2020, 20:02:21

Waving your arms around blaming the government isn't an effective strategy either :-X
my stratergy is in place  :y
BUT .....
don't we pay the government large sums of money to make good decisions and run the country  ;D
they should have contained it as much as possible, got stuff in place
NOT told everyone to go to work until they are on deaths door
then go shopping for stuff they should have ,like nurses, ventilators  ::)

plus i only paid for a £5 argument DG ,to save you typing  ;D :D

appreciate you are in a bad situation working for the travel industry  :(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 March 2020, 20:14:11
There's a closet communist response if ever there was...  ::)

Sorry to disappoint, but...

https://www.governing.com/gov-institute/funkhouser/gov-government-purpose-capitalism.html

 ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 16 March 2020, 20:20:37
I'm in the UK  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 16 March 2020, 20:24:01
Well.....after hearing the latest pronouncements, al I can say is "What a bunch of f**king idiots". Schools are to stay open. Anyone who has a family member with a cough or a temperature should stay at home for two weeks. Wifey lost four members of staff within minutes of the second statement, so HTF will schools be able to stay open?  ;D
I shouldn't have put that smiley, as she is on her way home and quite stressed.

Did I just cough..........?  ::)

I read that the economy takes a hit of £1.5 billion per week of education closures. maybe hoping for an earlier than usual Easter. ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 16 March 2020, 20:25:14
Well.....after hearing the latest pronouncements, al I can say is "What a bunch of f**king idiots". Schools are to stay open. Anyone who has a family member with a cough or a temperature should stay at home for two weeks. Wifey lost four members of staff within minutes of the second statement, so HTF will schools be able to stay open?  ;D
I shouldn't have put that smiley, as she is on her way home and quite stressed.

Did I just cough..........?  ::)

I read that the economy takes a hit of £1.5 billion per week of education closures. maybe hoping for an earlier than usual Easter. ;)
Are you back in España, Varche, or still over here?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 16 March 2020, 20:30:01
Now how long before Boris copies the Spanish supermarkets.

One family member only and no children. Minimum distance from other customers and staff is one metre. If too many customers then security close doors till numbers subside. Max of two items of anything. (might be a bit tricky on potatoes etc) ;) Payment only by card ( major change as cash is king over there) but no doubt they have twigged money handling passes the damn virus on. Break rules and security eject you. Probably would ban you too as everyone still knows everyone. 
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 16 March 2020, 20:37:21
Well.....after hearing the latest pronouncements, al I can say is "What a bunch of f**king idiots". Schools are to stay open. Anyone who has a family member with a cough or a temperature should stay at home for two weeks. Wifey lost four members of staff within minutes of the second statement, so HTF will schools be able to stay open?  ;D
I shouldn't have put that smiley, as she is on her way home and quite stressed.

Did I just cough..........?  ::)

No I am here for ever.  Had a vague thought when travel restrictions are lifted across Europe and the UK ( which haven't even started yet in UK) I would fly back on a plane - ha they will all have gone bust by then. Then jump in the car and drive back with OH to halve the load here ( my Dad was discharged today but needs care). The car trip isn't going to happen as the Spanish MOT appointment was cancelled only today. I am not going to risk driving a car for months in France/Uk without an MOT. Pertfect excuse for insurers not to pay out

CV19 , the gift that just keeps on and on giving. :y

I read that the economy takes a hit of £1.5 billion per week of education closures. maybe hoping for an earlier than usual Easter. ;)
Are you back in España, Varche, or still over here?

No I am here for ever.  Had a vague thought when travel restrictions are lifted across Europe and the UK ( which haven't even started yet in UK) I would fly back on a plane - ha they will all have gone bust by then. Then jump in the car and drive back with OH to halve the load here ( my Dad was discharged today but needs care). The car trip isn't going to happen as the Spanish MOT appointment was cancelled only today. I am not going to risk driving a car for months in France/Uk without an MOT. Pertfect excuse for insurers not to pay out

CV19 , the gift that just keeps on and on giving. :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 16 March 2020, 21:01:08
Latest purchase limits placed on supermarkets in light of corona virus:
Asda: 2 hand sanitisers and a 4 pack of toilet rolls.
Tesco: 1 hand sanitiser, 500g of rice and a 4 pack of toilet rolls.
Waitrose: 1 lobster, 6 quail eggs and 100g of foie gras.
Aldi: 1 MIG welder, 1 pink sports top, 2 trumpets and 1 wetsuit.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: scimmy_man on 16 March 2020, 21:51:06
Well.....after hearing the latest pronouncements, al I can say is "What a bunch of f**king idiots". Schools are to stay open. Anyone who has a family member with a cough or a temperature should stay at home for two weeks. Wifey lost four members of staff within minutes of the second statement, so HTF will schools be able to stay open?  ;D
I shouldn't have put that smiley, as she is on her way home and quite stressed.

Did I just cough..........?  ::)

No I am here for ever.  Had a vague thought when travel restrictions are lifted across Europe and the UK ( which haven't even started yet in UK) I would fly back on a plane - ha they will all have gone bust by then. Then jump in the car and drive back with OH to halve the load here ( my Dad was discharged today but needs care). The car trip isn't going to happen as the Spanish MOT appointment was cancelled only today. I am not going to risk driving a car for months in France/Uk without an MOT. Pertfect excuse for insurers not to pay out

CV19 , the gift that just keeps on and on giving. :y

I read that the economy takes a hit of £1.5 billion per week of education closures. maybe hoping for an earlier than usual Easter. ;)
Are you back in España, Varche, or still over here?

No I am here for ever.  Had a vague thought when travel restrictions are lifted across Europe and the UK ( which haven't even started yet in UK) I would fly back on a plane - ha they will all have gone bust by then. Then jump in the car and drive back with OH to halve the load here ( my Dad was discharged today but needs care). The car trip isn't going to happen as the Spanish MOT appointment was cancelled only today. I am not going to risk driving a car for months in France/Uk without an MOT. Pertfect excuse for insurers not to pay out

CV19 , the gift that just keeps on and on giving. :y

pretty sure you can "mot" in any eu country
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 16 March 2020, 22:09:13
It would be nice but  they can be done but count for nothing.

Checked with my insurer and astonishingly insurance is valid  without an MOT ( Spain).  Just need borders open again and pesky planes flying......
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Kevin Wood on 16 March 2020, 22:10:24

pretty sure you can "mot" in any eu country

I had a Portuguese contractor working for me probably 10 years ago. He'd been in the UK for a couple of years with his Portuguese registered LHD Seat when I asked him how he got on getting it MOT'd here. I got a blank look in response. ;D I explained the details and advised him to get one booked just in case. They turned him away because the number plate wasn't "on the system, mate", so he never did bother. Nobody ever pulled him over. ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 16 March 2020, 22:20:31

pretty sure you can "mot" in any eu country

I had a Portuguese contractor working for me probably 10 years ago. He'd been in the UK for a couple of years with his Portuguese registered LHD Seat when I asked him how he got on getting it MOT'd here. I got a blank look in response. ;D I explained the details and advised him to get one booked just in case. They turned him away because the number plate wasn't "on the system, mate", so he never did bother. Nobody ever pulled him over. ;D

Things have moved on. E.g in Spain the cops use zuK databases and impound British vehicles not taxed, motd and insured legally. Presumably UK can access other countries databases
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 16 March 2020, 22:22:43
Just for interest. Figures for Madrid. 199 fines issued and one arrest for folk out breaking the lockdown without a good reason!

I can just imagine “ Doesn’t apply to me mate” ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 16 March 2020, 22:30:26

pretty sure you can "mot" in any eu country

I had a Portuguese contractor working for me probably 10 years ago. He'd been in the UK for a couple of years with his Portuguese registered LHD Seat when I asked him how he got on getting it MOT'd here. I got a blank look in response. ;D I explained the details and advised him to get one booked just in case. They turned him away because the number plate wasn't "on the system, mate", so he never did bother. Nobody ever pulled him over. ;D

Things have moved on. E.g in Spain the cops use zuK databases and impound British vehicles not taxed, motd and insured legally. Presumably UK can access other countries databases


 Lots of EU reg cars a regularly pulled over, as they haven't been registered after 6mths,,, when in the foreign you must carry all paperwork relating to said motor to show it's legal in country of registration, same applies to non uk registered motors, 

 Your papers monsure, for me that means, Log book for unit and trailer, insurance, mot unit and trailer, community authorization, Cmr for load, trailer hygiene certificate,  o and driving licence, CPC card, Digi card.  And breathe :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: ronnyd on 16 March 2020, 22:49:01
Now how long before Boris copies the Spanish supermarkets.

One family member only and no children. Minimum distance from other customers and staff is one metre. If too many customers then security close doors till numbers subside. Max of two items of anything. (might be a bit tricky on potatoes etc) ;) Payment only by card ( major change as cash is king over there) but no doubt they have twigged money handling passes the damn virus on. Break rules and security eject you. Probably would ban you too as everyone still knows everyone. 
Went to local Sainsbury yesterday and there were loads of the little buggers running up and down the aisles and handling the produce. Not a word of rebuke from the parents. >:( Just imagine if/when the schools do close, the shops will be over run with the little sods.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 16 March 2020, 22:53:15
Not if Britain follows suit.

I hope more supermarkets have happy hour just for old shoppers. I saw an Iceland had done that.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 16 March 2020, 22:59:28
Copied from another forum. No reason to disbelieve the poster.



“I have a photo clip of this but for some reason I'm unable to upload it here, however :

I live adjacent to the Hotel Reina Isabel in Las Canteras, Las Palmas, I was at my window today checking out the street outside which for two days now has been absolutely dead, there are cops on literally every corner, making sure that everyone is complyiing with the emergency laws.

At 14.00 two grossly overweight Brits, North westerners as far as I could tell, Mancunians maybe, both heading towards the beach with towels and a beach bag which I found strange because I know they would have been warned against this because my friend Cristobel works in the hotel.

The couple were blocked by two Policia local and asked what they were doing, mr fatty replied, and I heard it quite clearly, "who's asking" ? one of the cops replied that there is an emergency law in place and that they were restricted to the hotel except for emergencies, mr fatty who's clearly a bully and probably used to getting his own way began to point at the cop and said" listen pal, Iv'e paid two grand for this holiday and no Spanish c****s gonna tell me what to do, at this point for some reason I looked at my watch, after 1 minute and 8 seconds and several pairs of other cops later the two were on their way to their ultimate lockdown, fabulous result, these jerks truly deserved to be put in their place.

Having said that we do not normally have this kind of low life in Las Palmas, I truly wish I could share the clip but it's not happening !”
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: ronnyd on 16 March 2020, 23:17:02
A couple who are acquaintances of my daughter were turned back on route to Malaga airport to fly home to the UK. They were told that they would  contacted when a repatriation flight would be allocated. Both are on vital medication which comes from the UK and are not sure when they will get more. One of the joys of being an expat in these uncertain times. :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 17 March 2020, 00:27:43
The latest government  forecast mortality figures just released make for grim reading. Expect more ramped up measures.
Without them it could be 250,000. That is a lot of funerals to not be able to go to. At those levels everyone will know someone who dies from it.  One in twenty eight?

Thank goodness it is only a cold. Think what it would be like if it was serious.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 17 March 2020, 05:58:38
Thanks for the late night night updates, Varche. Rods will be back after his short break tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 17 March 2020, 09:38:56
A non UK registered car can be MOTed in the UK by selecting to enter the VIN on the VTS device  rather than the reg  ;)
I expect police will be busy with "other things" anyway though  ::)
 
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 17 March 2020, 09:42:34
I expect police will be busy with "other things" anyway though  ::)

Yes, shouting "PAPIEREN BITTE!" .. erm, sorry, "Papers please!" at people, and throwing them in jail for being outside after curfew ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 17 March 2020, 09:50:15
I expect police will be busy with "other things" anyway though  ::)

Yes, shouting "PAPIEREN BITTE!" .. erm, sorry, "Papers please!" at people, and throwing them in jail for being outside after curfew ;)
Jail  ::)
as they are a risk of spreading disease , surely they should be "showered "  ;D :D
oops  :-[
humour NOT agenda people
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 17 March 2020, 09:50:46
A non UK registered car can be MOTed in the UK by selecting to enter the VIN on the VTS device  rather than the reg  ;)
I expect police will be busy with "other things" anyway though  ::)

Yes but it counts for nothing back in home country unless Europe is more joined up than I thought. It would give you peace of mind that it was working fine that week. How would it get on the home country database?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 17 March 2020, 09:55:33
I expect police will be busy with "other things" anyway though  ::)

Yes, shouting "PAPIEREN BITTE!" .. erm, sorry, "Papers please!" at people, and throwing them in jail for being outside after curfew ;)
Jail  ::)
as they are a risk of spreading disease , surely they should be "showered "  ;D :D
oops  :-[
humour NOT agenda people

 :-X :-X :-X ;D

I hear the Germans are good at building facilities..

..we were actually talking about going to visit Krakow, Auschwitz etc this year; my OH has been but I never have, and I'd love to go on the tour (sounds a bit odd to say that, but you know what I mean! The Holocaust Memorial in Berlin is equally amazing, and sobering, to visit).. but perhaps we'll wait before we book any tickets..
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 17 March 2020, 09:59:14
A non UK registered car can be MOTed in the UK by selecting to enter the VIN on the VTS device  rather than the reg  ;)
I expect police will be busy with "other things" anyway though  ::)

Yes but it counts for nothing back in home country unless Europe is more joined up than I thought. It would give you peace of mind that it was working fine that week. How would it get on the home country database?
as the car is in this country , your trying to complying with UK legislation
remember ,it's an offence to drive a vehicle in an un-roadworthy condition on uk roads
with or without a current MOT
if your sure your car is roadworthy ,all good ,
 though i'd want written confirmation that your insurer is OK with lapsed Spanish MOT .
can of worms ,sorry

 
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 17 March 2020, 10:03:11
I expect police will be busy with "other things" anyway though  ::)

Yes, shouting "PAPIEREN BITTE!" .. erm, sorry, "Papers please!" at people, and throwing them in jail for being outside after curfew ;)
Jail  ::)
as they are a risk of spreading disease , surely they should be "showered "  ;D :D
oops  :-[
humour NOT agenda people

 :-X :-X :-X ;D

I hear the Germans are good at building facilities..

..

that would be taking the pasta and toilet rolls out of the mouths of UK Builders  ::)

plus , do we really want German covid 19 mixing with are superior British covid 19  :D ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rods2 on 17 March 2020, 11:15:15
I knew this was going to happen last week, but could only say post-ante where underwriters have suspended their travel insurance scheme  which is going to cost me a big chunk of my monthly income. :( :( Most travel insurance schemes are now suspended with moneysupermarket panel increasingly looking like the 'Mary Celeste'. Single trip France with zero excess brings up two results, these are not normal times. :o The last two days have seen a massive fall off in sales, so no surprises that BA have announced they are cancelling 75% of flights in April & May. :o :o

It is batten down the hatches time & like 2008 which was very, very, very tough where I had to shut my main business, this one I think short term 3-12 months is going to be much, much worse. :-X

This time I'm a bit better prepared, but it is going to be very, very  tough again. :-[

Deep recessions are never a good time to be self-employed. :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Nick W on 17 March 2020, 11:30:39
I was expecting to be in France for the last couple of weeks; we didn't go because of the uncertainty, and my aunt's already fragile health.


Yesterday, Dad persuaded me to run him to Sainsburys to see if we could get what wasn't available on Saturday. Empty shelves everywhere, although there was plenty of strawberry Coke(hardly a surprise, it's disgusting) and Lego. Good news is the kitten won't starve, but she might have to learn how to open the packets ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 17 March 2020, 11:33:12
Booked several weeks away all over the UK with the tin tent only paid a couple of hundred quid in deposits so not bothered at all.
We were going to go away (abroad ) in July a last minute deal again no concerns there. Phoned work this morning as I have an underlying health issue (Diabetes) and advised them I will not be in for several weeks if ever again intended retiring fully in March 2021 so looks like it may be earlier..😁
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 17 March 2020, 11:40:09
It's getting stupid now. Asda this morning..not only out of the usual suspects, but no dry dog food, no milk of any description and no fresh meat of any description. The mind boggles.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rods2 on 17 March 2020, 12:29:39
Went to Lidl PM Sunday due to unexpected work commitments, got most of what I wanted. Yesterday, on the way back from a hospital appointment picked up the few things that I couldn't get at Lidl in Aldi. Aldi have now, sensibly, implemented a maximum of 4 of any item.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 17 March 2020, 12:31:07
Went to Lidl PM Sunday due to unexpected work commitments, got most of what I wanted. Yesterday, on the way back from a hospital appointment picked up the few things that I couldn't get at Lidl in Aldi. Aldi have now, sensibly, implemented a maximum of 4 of any item.
Except strimmers, you can have all the strimmers and air beds you can carry.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 17 March 2020, 12:47:47
Went to Lidl PM Sunday due to unexpected work commitments, got most of what I wanted. Yesterday, on the way back from a hospital appointment picked up the few things that I couldn't get at Lidl in Aldi. Aldi have now, sensibly, implemented a maximum of 4 of any item.

Thereby ensuring that everyone has to go to the supermarket more often...
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rods2 on 17 March 2020, 13:02:56
Went to Lidl PM Sunday due to unexpected work commitments, got most of what I wanted. Yesterday, on the way back from a hospital appointment picked up the few things that I couldn't get at Lidl in Aldi. Aldi have now, sensibly, implemented a maximum of 4 of any item.

Thereby ensuring that everyone has to go to the supermarket more often...

Correct, which is also spot on for the vulnerable old & infirm that need to semi-self isolate. :o :o :o
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 17 March 2020, 13:09:07
Went to Lidl PM Sunday due to unexpected work commitments, got most of what I wanted. Yesterday, on the way back from a hospital appointment picked up the few things that I couldn't get at Lidl in Aldi. Aldi have now, sensibly, implemented a maximum of 4 of any item.

Thereby ensuring that everyone has to go to the supermarket more often...

Correct, which is also spot on for the vulnerable old & infirm that need to semi-self isolate. :o :o :o

We popped into Morrisons at lunchtime to pick up some lunch..

a) It was heaving
b) The clientele was largely made up of the very old (70+, frail, with walkers/assistive devices) being taken around by their younger (50s 60s) companions ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 17 March 2020, 13:12:06
Went to Lidl PM Sunday due to unexpected work commitments, got most of what I wanted. Yesterday, on the way back from a hospital appointment picked up the few things that I couldn't get at Lidl in Aldi. Aldi have now, sensibly, implemented a maximum of 4 of any item.

Thereby ensuring that everyone has to go to the supermarket more often...

Correct, which is also spot on for the vulnerable old & infirm that need to semi-self isolate. :o :o :o
All of the 'old' people I've spoken to this morning have no intention of self isolating.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 17 March 2020, 13:14:47
Good for them, save on pensions and hospital bills. Very public spirited of them
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Andy B on 17 March 2020, 18:07:19
I've just driven across town in what should've been 'rush hour' .... there was hardly a soul on the road.  :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 17 March 2020, 18:17:04
I've just driven across town in what should've been 'rush hour' .... there was hardly a soul on the road.  :-\ :-\
Wifey had 55% of kids in today and is making excellent progress home, hardly any traffic. Reckons most schools will close by next week.
I've told my son that he's coming home from uni on Saturday. He didn't want to until I explained that, if he caught the bug, he'd be in his room for at least a week and wouldn't be allowed to even venture as far as the kitchen. Cold food dropped outside his door......that made him sit up.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 17 March 2020, 18:23:04
I popped into the local town this morning for a few bits
mother's day, watch battery ,fresh bread etc
it was heaving with shoppers , nothing on the shelves ,called at the farm, NO potatoes  ::)
hardly surprising ,everyone thinks they must get 3 months worth of shopping for everyone over 70  :D
mum asked me to get pasta ,she don't even eat pasta  ::)
hopefully things will settle down next week shopping wise
then of course ,the week after it will go bonkers again,
everyone buying stuff for funeral buffets
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 17 March 2020, 18:26:16
It's Easter shortly, so the schools will be closed then anyways ::) by holding out until almost then and making the holidays a bit longer, it allows those who still have jobs left to continue working as long as possible...

Although I am sure the forum misanthropes will still find something negative to say about it :-X
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 17 March 2020, 18:29:04
I popped into the local town this morning for a few bits
mother's day, watch battery ,fresh bread etc
it was heaving with shoppers , nothing on the shelves ,called at the farm, NO potatoes  ::)
hardly surprising ,everyone thinks they must get 3 months worth of shopping for everyone over 70  :D
mum asked me to get pasta ,she don't even eat pasta  ::)
hopefully things will settle down next week shopping wise
then of course ,the week after it will go bonkers again,
everyone buying stuff for funeral buffets

Funerals are banned in Italy and will be here as well if CV_19 takes off here like it has there.  ::)

We'll be rapidly carted off to the nearest crem for quick disposal.   :(   Probably won't even have time to get cold!  :D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 17 March 2020, 18:30:43
First day rehearsal for my retirement it's great. No shopping just a full English & a two hour walk with the dog watched wheeler dealers had another walk with dog & SWMBO now sitting down to pasta & meatballs.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 17 March 2020, 19:10:02

everyone buying stuff for funeral buffets

Funerals are banned in Italy and will be here as well if CV_19 takes off here like it has there.  ::)

We'll be rapidly carted off to the nearest crem for quick disposal.   :(   Probably won't even have time to get cold!  :D
loads of old people about still with the attitude "i'm not stopping in "
so a few funeral buffets will spread enough covid 19 amongst them to finish them off   ::)

bin wagons can collect the dead ,mince the corpses up and make animal feed for cows,pigs etc
what's the worst that can happen   :P
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 17 March 2020, 19:11:56
You expect the bin men to turn out when they've been guaranteed ssp from day one...  ???

Your as misinformed as Rods and Varche ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 17 March 2020, 19:21:00
I've just driven across town in what should've been 'rush hour' .... there was hardly a soul on the road.  :-\ :-\

This part of the virus I like. :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 17 March 2020, 19:23:25

everyone buying stuff for funeral buffets

Funerals are banned in Italy and will be here as well if CV_19 takes off here like it has there.  ::)

We'll be rapidly carted off to the nearest crem for quick disposal.   :(   Probably won't even have time to get cold!  :D
loads of old people about still with the attitude "i'm not stopping in "
so a few funeral buffets will spread enough covid 19 amongst them to finish them off   ::)

bin wagons can collect the dead ,mince the corpses up and make animal feed for cows,pigs etc
what's the worst that can happen   :P

.....and the unsuspecting public. What was the film called?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 17 March 2020, 19:25:36
I've just driven across town in what should've been 'rush hour' .... there was hardly a soul on the road.  :-\ :-\
Wifey had 55% of kids in today and is making excellent progress home, hardly any traffic. Reckons most schools will close by next week.
I've told my son that he's coming home from uni on Saturday. He didn't want to until I explained that, if he caught the bug, he'd be in his room for at least a week and wouldn't be allowed to even venture as far as the kitchen. Cold food dropped outside his door......that made him sit up.

If he comes with his girlfriend 'Busty Brenda' it may not be as bad as it sounds. :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: ronnyd on 17 March 2020, 19:26:00
I popped into the local town this morning for a few bits
mother's day, watch battery ,fresh bread etc
it was heaving with shoppers , nothing on the shelves ,called at the farm, NO potatoes  ::)
hardly surprising ,everyone thinks they must get 3 months worth of shopping for everyone over 70  :D
mum asked me to get pasta ,she don't even eat pasta  ::)
hopefully things will settle down next week shopping wise
then of course ,the week after it will go bonkers again,
everyone buying stuff for funeral buffets

Funerals are banned in Italy and will be here as well if CV_19 takes off here like it has there.  ::)

We'll be rapidly carted off to the nearest crem for quick disposal.   :(   Probably won't even have time to get cold!  :D
That's handy. it will use less gas to get up to temperature.  :D Just had a thought. To save the planet for the tree huggers who survive this, Could you run a crematorium on solar panels?  ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 17 March 2020, 20:05:46
You expect the bin men to turn out when they've been guaranteed ssp from day one...  ???

Your as misinformed as Rods and Varche ;D
someone will do it if you pay them more than SSP
as with anything ,money gets things done ,
 and there will be plenty of people without a job  unfortunately , glad of the work
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 17 March 2020, 20:16:16
I've just driven across town in what should've been 'rush hour' .... there was hardly a soul on the road.  :-\ :-\
Wifey had 55% of kids in today and is making excellent progress home, hardly any traffic. Reckons most schools will close by next week.
I've told my son that he's coming home from uni on Saturday. He didn't want to until I explained that, if he caught the bug, he'd be in his room for at least a week and wouldn't be allowed to even venture as far as the kitchen. Cold food dropped outside his door......that made him sit up.

If he comes with his girlfriend 'Busty Brenda' it may not be as bad as it sounds. :)

She'll be happy as well.  ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 17 March 2020, 21:00:42
Friend of wifey had to try three fuel stations in Bolsover this evening before finding fuel. It's starting......
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Andy B on 17 March 2020, 21:52:01
My daughter (works in intensive care unit) has a Covid-19 patient to look after  ??? ??? ...... I'm not happy  :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: henryd on 17 March 2020, 21:56:34
My daughter (works in intensive care unit) has a Covid-19 patient to look after  ??? ??? ...... I'm not happy  :-\

At least she knows what she's  dealing with,the rest of us haven't  a clue whos got it or not :-X
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Andy B on 17 March 2020, 22:28:26
My daughter (works in intensive care unit) has a Covid-19 patient to look after  ??? ??? ...... I'm not happy  :-\

At least she knows what she's  dealing with,the rest of us haven't  a clue whos got it or not :-X

True!

As 'they' are not testing for it who knows who has it or not?  :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 17 March 2020, 23:43:56
I just had a thought that if we get locked down for months and everything is shut, where are we going to get a haircut?  :o  :D

It's trivial I know, but what to do?  ???   :)

Not bother? and end up looking like a hippy or the wild man of Borneo?  ???  Or go DIY?  :-\

I've got a beard trimmer but it's round the back which will be tricky. :-\  So I was thinking either a crusty style mo-hawk or a mullet!  :)

And those of you who will get your other half to do it, beware of long standing grudges!  :o  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 March 2020, 03:28:00
My daughter (works in intensive care unit) has a Covid-19 patient to look after  ??? ??? ...... I'm not happy  :-\
Goes with the territory unfortunately. Fwiw :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 18 March 2020, 06:22:20
I just had a thought that if we get locked down for months and everything is shut, where are we going to get a haircut?  :o  :D

It's trivial I know, but what to do?  ???   :)

Not bother? and end up looking like a hippy or the wild man of Borneo?  ???  Or go DIY?  :-\

I've got a beard trimmer but it's round the back which will be tricky. :-\  So I was thinking either a crusty style mo-hawk or a mullet!  :)

And those of you who will get your other half to do it, beware of long standing grudges!  :o  ;D
Said the very same to the missus last night. We'll end up a nation of overweight and unfit cavemen.
Oh......wait..... :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 18 March 2020, 07:19:32
I just had a thought that if we get locked down for months and everything is shut, where are we going to get a haircut?  :o  :D

It's trivial I know, but what to do?  ???   :)

Not bother? and end up looking like a hippy or the wild man of Borneo?  ???  Or go DIY?  :-\

I've got a beard trimmer but it's round the back which will be tricky. :-\  So I was thinking either a crusty style mo-hawk or a mullet!  :)

And those of you who will get your other half to do it, beware of long standing grudges!  :o  ;D
.   


Easy do what I do buy a set of Wahl hair clippers (Argos stock them) and a number 0 once a week keeps me looking like a "Hard bastard"😃
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Andy B on 18 March 2020, 08:02:12
My daughter (works in intensive care unit) has a Covid-19 patient to look after  ??? ??? ...... I'm not happy  :-\
Goes with the territory unfortunately. Fwiw :-\
I know .... but it doesn't help
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 18 March 2020, 08:28:00
My daughter (works in intensive care unit) has a Covid-19 patient to look after  ??? ??? ...... I'm not happy  :-\
Goes with the territory unfortunately. Fwiw :-\
I know .... but it doesn't help
.   


Hats off to all NHS staff , I have been there myself (Ambulance Service) and know how little appreciation they get & certainly not rewarded enough financially they will be absolutely stretched beyond limits with the present situation and will without doubt be faced with very difficult situations and people who show no gratitude for their skills & dedication.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: amba on 18 March 2020, 09:32:08
Eldest daughter is A & E Sister at our local major hospital.

On shift yesterday she said they only had paper face masks and limited suppliers of those .. people in local stores are fighting over toilet rolls .

Human race not at its best at present
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 18 March 2020, 11:10:48
No, we humans are our own worse enemies, we don’t need aliens to wipe us out :-[
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: omegod on 18 March 2020, 11:30:01
NHS is pandemonium at the moment, front line staff like myself are trying their best but it's a frigging nightmare with different directions coming though by the hour. I guess this kind of event is unprecedented in recent times but we could have been better prepared  :'(

It's all the corporate staff I really feel for though, at the first sniff of this pandemic they were directed to ( pretend to)  work from their couch at home, god help them it must be awful!  >:(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 18 March 2020, 11:32:18
Now I realise just how serious this is. The BBC have stopped filming new episodes of Knobenders, and will limit output to two episodes per week to make the stuff they already have last longer. Knobenders rationed...FFS.  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 18 March 2020, 11:33:14
It's all the corporate staff I really feel for though, at the first sniff of this pandemic they were directed to ( pretend to)  work from their couch at home, god help them it must be awful!  >:(

Yeah, everyone working from home, wondering if they'll still have a job in a few months. Dead relaxing ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: omegod on 18 March 2020, 11:47:32
It's all the corporate staff I really feel for though, at the first sniff of this pandemic they were directed to ( pretend to)  work from their couch at home, god help them it must be awful!  >:(

Yeah, everyone working from home, wondering if they'll still have a job in a few months. Dead relaxing ::)

These are NHS corporate,  gold plated Arron
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 18 March 2020, 12:17:02
Now I realise just how serious this is. The BBC have stopped filming new episodes of Knobenders, and will limit output to two episodes per week to make the stuff they already have last longer. Knobenders rationed...FFS.  ;D



Unfortunately that shite appeals to the brain dead of the human race along with Arsebook etc.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 18 March 2020, 12:39:19
Now I realise just how serious this is. The BBC have stopped filming new episodes of Knobenders, and will limit output to two episodes per week to make the stuff they already have last longer. Knobenders rationed...FFS.  ;D

I believe  they changed the name to Eastbenders when Michael Cashman was in it during the eighties. :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rods2 on 18 March 2020, 13:39:48
I just had a thought that if we get locked down for months and everything is shut, where are we going to get a haircut?  :o  :D

It's trivial I know, but what to do?  ???   :)

Not bother? and end up looking like a hippy or the wild man of Borneo?  ???  Or go DIY?  :-\

I've got a beard trimmer but it's round the back which will be tricky. :-\  So I was thinking either a crusty style mo-hawk or a mullet!  :)

And those of you who will get your other half to do it, beware of long standing grudges!  :o  ;D
.   


Easy do what I do buy a set of Wahl hair clippers (Argos stock them) and a number 0 once a week keeps me looking like a "Hard bastard"😃

Tend to use a number 4 during the summer & a number 10 in the winter. Always found it straightforward to do. Sir Tig you had better buy one quick before the panic buyers buy 50 each, just in case they need more than 1. ::) ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 18 March 2020, 15:05:36
I mentioned yesterday that there was no fresh meat in Asda. Out with doggie this morning, I got the distinct impression that there were less ducks in the park this morning.
Any connection?  :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 18 March 2020, 15:07:23
I mentioned yesterday that there was no fresh meat in Asda. Out with doggie this morning, I got the distinct impression that there were less ducks in the park this morning.
Any connection?  :-\

Saw two ducks in our garden yesterday, standing by the pond - first time we've ever had ducks visit us I think.. perhaps they're sheltering from the locals!

Morrisons is out of basically all fresh meat except for bacon and gammon. What have people got against those, I wonder!? Shelves were packed full - of course, you can only buy two packs..
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: omegod on 18 March 2020, 15:08:25
I mentioned yesterday that there was no fresh meat in Asda. Out with doggie this morning, I got the distinct impression that there were less ducks in the park this morning.
Any connection?  :-\

I believe Romanians are partial to a swan,They ate the lot in an Irish town I stay in's public park.   
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 18 March 2020, 15:09:34
I mentioned yesterday that there was no fresh meat in Asda. Out with doggie this morning, I got the distinct impression that there were less ducks in the park this morning.
Any connection?  :-\

I believe Romanians are partial to a swan,They ate the lot in an Irish town I stay in's public park.
We don't allow Romanians into Barnsley, they're a bit too posh for our liking.  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 18 March 2020, 15:17:34
The BoE is considering a 'radical' money printing plan. So, Opti, all that cash you have salted away is going to be worthless soon. Mortgage rates @ 15% and a loaf of bread for a fiver.

Safe haven Rods?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: razzo on 18 March 2020, 15:35:34
I see the Andrex puppy has done so well out of all this bog roll buying he has now retired to beach front retreat in Barkbados 
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: scimmy_man on 18 March 2020, 15:40:18
I mentioned yesterday that there was no fresh meat in Asda. Out with doggie this morning, I got the distinct impression that there were less ducks in the park this morning.
Any connection?  :-\

looking out of the window, I see the pair of mallard on the pond and two cock pheasants in the field,
there is a wood half a mile away full of rabbits and bambi,
Im covered thanks
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 18 March 2020, 15:47:16
I mentioned yesterday that there was no fresh meat in Asda. Out with doggie this morning, I got the distinct impression that there were less ducks in the park this morning.
Any connection?  :-\

looking out of the window, I see the pair of mallard on the pond and two cock pheasants in the field,
there is a wood half a mile away full of rabbits and bambi,
Im covered thanks
You'll be in competition with a lot of people. If you live in the vicinity of Bradford, you may end up in a curry.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 18 March 2020, 15:51:12
Oh, the irony. Nothing to be had in the supermarket and BBC1 are showing Ready Steady Cook shortly.  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 18 March 2020, 16:23:49
Just watched the Donalds latest press conference. God, he's ineffectual. The usual dose of 'tremendous' and 'very, very', but with no substance at all. He said very little of note and then Mike Pence stepped up and, under orders, used the phrase 'The President' in every sentence, just in case we forgot who was in charge. I was embarrassed for him.
As soon as Donald spoke, he referred to 'The Chinese virus', knowing full well it would infuriate them.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 March 2020, 16:27:03
Well, they started it...  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: scimmy_man on 18 March 2020, 16:34:36
I mentioned yesterday that there was no fresh meat in Asda. Out with doggie this morning, I got the distinct impression that there were less ducks in the park this morning.
Any connection?  :-\

looking out of the window, I see the pair of mallard on the pond and two cock pheasants in the field,
there is a wood half a mile away full of rabbits and bambi,
Im covered thanks
You'll be in competition with a lot of people. If you live in the vicinity of Bradford, you may end up in a curry.

looong way from bradistan thanks
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 18 March 2020, 16:34:43
Well, they started it...  ::)
Yes, but they're quite touchy about it.  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 18 March 2020, 16:49:28
Well, they started it...  ::)
Yes, but they're quite touchy about it.  ;D
maybe a world wide nuclear war will kill the virus and sort why it was released, reduce the excess population etc  :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 18 March 2020, 16:53:24
Well, they started it...  ::)
Yes, but they're quite touchy about it.  ;D


 Bit like the Germans, and their claim to history...
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 18 March 2020, 16:59:10
Well, they started it...  ::)
Yes, but they're quite touchy about it.  ;D


 Bit like the Germans, and their claim to history...
;D ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 18 March 2020, 17:01:02
Well, they started it...  ::)
Yes, but they're quite touchy about it.  ;D
maybe a world wide nuclear war will kill the virus and sort why it was released, reduce the excess population etc  :)
Oh no! Think of the global warming that would cause.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 18 March 2020, 17:34:03
Well, they started it...  ::)
Yes, but they're quite touchy about it.  ;D
maybe a world wide nuclear war will kill the virus and sort why it was released, reduce the excess population etc  :)
Oh no! Think of the global warming that would cause.
saves on heating bills  ;)
i don't like the cold
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 18 March 2020, 17:55:56
On the way home from swmbos hospital appointment today (on quite roads) we called into four different supermarkets to try and get some basic non perishables.
The shelves looked like they had been stripped bare by locusts overnight, and they were all limiting the purchase of any items to a maximum of two.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 March 2020, 18:23:19
Well, they started it...  ::)
Yes, but they're quite touchy about it.  ;D
Which is apparently how it escalated...  :P
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 18 March 2020, 19:45:21
On the way home from swmbos hospital appointment today (on quite roads) we called into four different supermarkets to try and get some basic non perishables.
The shelves looked like they had been stripped bare by locusts overnight, and they were all limiting the purchase of any items to a maximum of two.


 Allegedly, if you've got a current hgv,-cpc  the supermarkets are looking for extra drivers...  As a side order, were still delivering loads of flowers to supermarkets,  so at least the empty shelves look pretty.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 18 March 2020, 19:52:47
I just went and looked at some empty shelves in Tesco's and I'm wondering if people are now wiping their arse's with sliced bread?  ???  :-\  ::)  ;D

And here's Tigger's thought for the day:

When you get into the supermarket early for a loaf of bread and there's a crowd of people stripping the shelves and you can't get near, just cough loudly and watch them scatter!  :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 18 March 2020, 19:58:12
I just went and looked at some empty shelves in Tesco's and I'm wondering if people are now wiping their arse's with sliced bread?  ???  :-\  ::)  ;D

And here's Tigger's thought for the day:

When you get into the supermarket early for a loaf of bread and there's a crowd of people stripping the shelves and you can't get near, just cough loudly and watch them scatter!  :)

 Seems that freezers have gone up in price, and there's a shortage,,  I've got a 45ft one here Offers gladly accepted :D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 March 2020, 22:04:39
Do you deliver? :D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 March 2020, 22:09:22
On the way home from swmbos hospital appointment today (on quite roads) we called into four different supermarkets to try and get some basic non perishables.
The shelves looked like they had been stripped bare by locusts overnight, and they were all limiting the purchase of any items to a maximum of two.


 Allegedly, if you've got a current hgv,-cpc  the supermarkets are looking for extra drivers...  As a side order, were still delivering loads of flowers to supermarkets,  so at least the empty shelves look pretty.
Can you sit all five days simultaneously? Mine lapsed six months ago as I don't need it to fix planes... ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 18 March 2020, 22:47:11
On the way home from swmbos hospital appointment today (on quite roads) we called into four different supermarkets to try and get some basic non perishables.
The shelves looked like they had been stripped bare by locusts overnight, and they were all limiting the purchase of any items to a maximum of two.


 Allegedly, if you've got a current hgv,-cpc  the supermarkets are looking for extra drivers...  As a side order, were still delivering loads of flowers to supermarkets,  so at least the empty shelves look pretty.
Can you sit all five days simultaneously? Mine lapsed six months ago as I don't need it to fix planes... ::)

They should suspend the CPC bollix and make it much simpler for people to resurrect their lapsed HGV licences including free medicals for vintage ex-lorryists.  :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 19 March 2020, 08:30:16
Do you deliver? :D


 Went passed your Manor this morning A24 to Worthing, half load cancelled yesterday for a place that makes Airline butties, now at pottage having coffee  :y


You have pm DG. Empty your inbox :y

Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 19 March 2020, 09:19:06
Done :D was saving the messages for loo roll ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: TheBoy on 19 March 2020, 09:44:35
I just had a thought that if we get locked down for months and everything is shut, where are we going to get a haircut?  :o  :D

It's trivial I know, but what to do?  ???   :)

Not bother? and end up looking like a hippy or the wild man of Borneo?  ???  Or go DIY?  :-\

I've got a beard trimmer but it's round the back which will be tricky. :-\  So I was thinking either a crusty style mo-hawk or a mullet!  :)

And those of you who will get your other half to do it, beware of long standing grudges!  :o  ;D
A valid point.  I went to a hairdresser* the other day, before I walked in, I could hear the bird who was cutting hair coughing and spluttering, so I didn't go in.  So I'm now considering the pudding bowl look, or full on skinhead, both DIY-able.


*Have to use a hairdresser, as my barber - a mad Italian with health issues - went AWOL just after xmas, leaving few other options in these parts.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 19 March 2020, 10:44:47
I just had a thought that if we get locked down for months and everything is shut, where are we going to get a haircut?  :o  :D

It's trivial I know, but what to do?  ???   :)

Not bother? and end up looking like a hippy or the wild man of Borneo?  ???  Or go DIY?  :-\

I've got a beard trimmer but it's round the back which will be tricky. :-\  So I was thinking either a crusty style mo-hawk or a mullet!  :)

And those of you who will get your other half to do it, beware of long standing grudges!  :o  ;D
A valid point.  I went to a hairdresser* the other day, before I walked in, I could hear the bird who was cutting hair coughing and spluttering, so I didn't go in.  So I'm now considering the pudding bowl look, or full on skinhead, both DIY-able.


*Have to use a hairdresser, as my barber - a mad Italian with health issues - went AWOL just after xmas, leaving few other options in these parts.

DIY perm is doable assuming you have flour, bleach, gelatine, hydrochloric acid, urea  and fixing agent available. There will be plenty of U tube videos pretty soon. After four months without haircuts it might be only thing left other than Grizzly Adams look
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 19 March 2020, 10:50:12
Michel Barnier has got it. I probably shouldn't comment any further.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: deviator on 19 March 2020, 11:04:11
Couple of things....
Firstly the Army are getting ready to mobilise. I suspect this is the first signs that London will be locked down with the army acting as peace keepers.

Secondly, an interesting letter from someone with knowledge and sense (obviously doesn't work for the government).
https://talbotspy.org/letter-from-toronto-an-infectious-diseases-specialist-reflects-on-corvid-19/?fbclid=IwAR0VvLei8WdUU2oeLjVzrh6_PJFuaEPl8YunbAmebV9WBkXAtJ3WeP5Oy2A
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 19 March 2020, 11:10:54
I expect the Army will be doing some of the work of emergency services and other critical workers to cover shortages or allow those workers to be involved in other even more critical things that they are able to do.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 19 March 2020, 11:37:47
Been to Asda as usual this morning. Got some frozen peas, ready salted crisps (no C+O) and a packet of peanuts. Apart from cakes, which I have, that was about all that was on offer. Hey ho.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 19 March 2020, 11:54:04
Bought two packs of tissues... just in case ::) and two tubes of Pringles... because they're on offer and I could ;D

I would have bought some kitchen roll to eat, but they had no baking parchment so I didn't bother :D

Might go to Waitrose first thing in order to get some decent bog roll and a nice pudding for Sunday :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Andy B on 19 March 2020, 11:59:55
Just come back from ASDA. No meat, no pasta, a handful of 5oz Beanz etc etc

Talking to one staff member who said that she'd been spat at this morning as the cigarette/lottery kiosk was because the cigarette/kiosk wasn't going to open before 8.00am
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 19 March 2020, 12:02:37
Just come back from ASDA. No meat, no pasta, a handful of 5oz Beanz etc etc

Talking to one staff member who said that she'd been spat at this morning as the cigarette/lottery kiosk was because the cigarette/kiosk wasn't going to open before 8.00am
If you plant your 5oz of beans in the garden today, you may be able to get some food off a giant tomorrow  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: deviator on 19 March 2020, 12:03:27
Talking to one staff member who said that she'd been spat at this morning.....
Absolutely horrific behaviour. I would have reported her. Given the current climate, that is a really bad thing to do.

On the plus side, I got some bog roll just now. Lucky as I only have half a roll left.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Andy B on 19 March 2020, 12:10:00
Just come back from ASDA. No meat, no pasta, a handful of 5oz Beanz etc etc

Talking to one staff member who said that she'd been spat at this morning as the cigarette/lottery kiosk was because the cigarette/kiosk wasn't going to open before 8.00am
If you plant your 5oz of beans in the garden today, you may be able to get some food off a giant tomorrow  ;D

On occasion you get some beans that sprout in the dark crevices of of the factory!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 19 March 2020, 12:13:13
Just come back from ASDA. No meat, no pasta, a handful of 5oz Beanz etc etc

Talking to one staff member who said that she'd been spat at this morning as the cigarette/lottery kiosk was because the cigarette/kiosk wasn't going to open before 8.00am
If you plant your 5oz of beans in the garden today, you may be able to get some food off a giant tomorrow  ;D
You could write about your adventure. Call it, say, Andy and the Beanz Stalk.  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Andy B on 19 March 2020, 12:21:26
....
You could write about your adventure. Call it, say, Andy and the Beanz Stalk.  ;D

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

Work phoned me earlier this morning asking if I'd work overtime next week  ??? I'm reluctant to go in when I have to!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 19 March 2020, 13:07:47
Just come back from ASDA. No meat, no pasta, a handful of 5oz Beanz etc etc

Talking to one staff member who said that she'd been spat at this morning as the cigarette/lottery kiosk was because the cigarette/kiosk wasn't going to open before 8.00am

Sister in law works on customer service desk at Tesco. Yesterday she said customers were evil. She has done extra shifts and often it is the manager that has to work on the desk so she can actually have a break. She was dreading today as it was a full day no doubt with more evil customers.

Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 19 March 2020, 13:11:32
Just come back from ASDA. No meat, no pasta, a handful of 5oz Beanz etc etc

Talking to one staff member who said that she'd been spat at this morning as the cigarette/lottery kiosk was because the cigarette/kiosk wasn't going to open before 8.00am

Sister in law works on customer service desk at Tesco. Yesterday she said customers were evil. She has done extra shifts and often it is the manager that has to work on the desk so she can actually have a break. She was dreading today as it was a full day no doubt with more evil customers.
.   


Not a job I could do, well I could but don't think I'd last long !
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 19 March 2020, 14:04:55
Jeez, you lot must live in rough areas.. everyone in Morrisons here seems generally very pleasant about the whole thing - even when the staff are having to take stuff off them because they can only have two of something.

Well, everyone I've overheard in my very, very small sample-set I see when visiting every lunchtime ;D

Security (the one bloke) are wandering the store, mind, for all the difference I'm sure he makes... usually (on a normal day) when the local scrotes are trying to steal stuff, the security guard is nowhere to be seen and the staff have to kick them out ::) Outsourced security, no doubt.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 19 March 2020, 14:05:24
Not a job I could do, well I could but don't think I'd last long !

They look down on staff punching the customers and throwing them in a locked cupboard  :P ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 19 March 2020, 14:22:10
Jeez, you lot must live in rough areas..

......(on a normal day) when the local scrotes are trying to steal stuff.
Hmmmmmm
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 19 March 2020, 14:22:35
Well I've just been in Tesco MK,, some poor snowflake was crying her eyes out because there's no milk, or bread.. :'(  and as for TBs favorite Costco, seems a very dark clientele :o
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 19 March 2020, 14:32:19
Jeez, you lot must live in rough areas..

......(on a normal day) when the local scrotes are trying to steal stuff.
Hmmmmmm

You spotted that, eh?  ;D

More than once I've turned up to the shops to find half a dozen people (staff and scrote) yelling at each other in the entrance.. I had to chuckle once as scrotes day got rapidly worse when four hairy arsed builders walked in on the same. They didn't take kindly to the way said scrote was speaking to the female staff..

..someone tries the door handles on all the cars down my road at least once a month, too (several of us have video surveillance)


It's lovely down here!  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 19 March 2020, 14:40:58
Not a job I could do, well I could but don't think I'd last long !

They look down on staff punching the customers and throwing them in a locked cupboard  :P ;D
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You must know someone who knows me.😁
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Entwood on 19 March 2020, 15:11:41
Not all bad news ....

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51944780

Is this natures way of telling us something ???
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 19 March 2020, 15:57:55
Not a job I could do, well I could but don't think I'd last long !

They look down on staff punching the customers and throwing them in a locked cupboard  :P ;D
.   


You must know someone who knows me.😁

 ;D ;D ;D (But no, they're not at your gaff .. their lot seem to spend more time shagging each other than anything else!)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 19 March 2020, 17:19:02
https://twitter.com/DaveRamsey/status/1240688324068564993?s=19
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 19 March 2020, 18:33:49
Talking to one staff member who said that she'd been spat at this morning.....
Absolutely horrific behaviour. I would have reported her. Given the current climate, that is a really bad thing to do.

On the plus side, I got some bog roll just now. Lucky as I only have half a roll left.

If someone spat at me I'd be over that counter and would punch their oppsing lights out whatever the climate!!  >:(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 19 March 2020, 18:59:33
Talking to one staff member who said that she'd been spat at this morning.....
Absolutely horrific behaviour. I would have reported her. Given the current climate, that is a really bad thing to do.

On the plus side, I got some bog roll just now. Lucky as I only have half a roll left.

If someone spat at me I'd be over that counter and would punch their oppsing lights out whatever the climate!!  >:(
Yes, but the cowardly bastard wouldn't spit at you.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: ronnyd on 19 March 2020, 19:51:57
I got spat at by a Polish driver late last year. ,(i was on a bike, he in a Merc, they don't have indicators, do they. ;D). it was, to me, worse than being punched. I felt dirty all day.  Dirty bastid. Got me right in the face. >:(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: TheBoy on 19 March 2020, 21:06:44
I just had a thought that if we get locked down for months and everything is shut, where are we going to get a haircut?  :o  :D

It's trivial I know, but what to do?  ???   :)

Not bother? and end up looking like a hippy or the wild man of Borneo?  ???  Or go DIY?  :-\

I've got a beard trimmer but it's round the back which will be tricky. :-\  So I was thinking either a crusty style mo-hawk or a mullet!  :)

And those of you who will get your other half to do it, beware of long standing grudges!  :o  ;D
A valid point.  I went to a hairdresser* the other day, before I walked in, I could hear the bird who was cutting hair coughing and spluttering, so I didn't go in.  So I'm now considering the pudding bowl look, or full on skinhead, both DIY-able.


*Have to use a hairdresser, as my barber - a mad Italian with health issues - went AWOL just after xmas, leaving few other options in these parts.

DIY perm is doable assuming you have flour, bleach, gelatine, hydrochloric acid, urea  and fixing agent available. There will be plenty of U tube videos pretty soon. After four months without haircuts it might be only thing left other than Grizzly Adams look
Last time I played with haircare chemical combinations, in my misspent youth, it didn't end well. But did make lots of load bangs ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 19 March 2020, 21:19:47
 :y ;D

Sister in law had worst day of her working life today at supermarket. Must be a fine line the company is walking. Dont want to be THAT nasty supermarket that called the police to abusive customers , don’t want bad publicity, do want custom and repeat custom.

How long before numbers are limited and security lets one out and one in, one person shopping, no kids, card payment only? supermarkets are drastically cutting lines. Makes sense but Bad luck if you are a niche supplier..
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 19 March 2020, 22:11:27
:y ;D

Sister in law had worst day of her working life today at supermarket. Must be a fine line the company is walking. Dont want to be THAT nasty supermarket that called the police to abusive customers , don’t want bad publicity, do want custom and repeat custom.

How long before numbers are limited and security lets one out and one in, one person shopping, no kids, card payment only? supermarkets are drastically cutting lines. Makes sense but Bad luck if you are a niche supplier..

  There's only so many trucks that can be unloaded a day,  they need to start sending basic stuff, direct to store from supplier, not to DC, unload, scan to goods, then book it in, then pick it, then load there own truck, then send to store,

We could do from supplier to store same day, 1 truck 4 stores,   but it's too easy.
 
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: aaronjb on 20 March 2020, 17:34:00
Well, that's that - pubs, restaurants, gyms etc etc all ordered to shut as of tonight.

But the govt is going to print money to pay everyone 80% of their salary if they have to stop working, so there's that..
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 20 March 2020, 17:50:43
Well, that's that - pubs, restaurants, gyms etc etc all ordered to shut as of tonight.

But the govt is going to print money to pay everyone 80% of their salary if they have to stop working, so there's that..
Like I said yesterday, that £100 you've got in your pocket will be worth £70 next month.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 20 March 2020, 17:51:28
Well, that's that - pubs, restaurants, gyms etc etc all ordered to shut as of tonight.

But the govt is going to print money to pay everyone 80% of their salary if they have to stop working, so there's that..
not everyone
but yep. the shelves in Bargain Booze will be stripped bare
i wonder if they will set aside the first hour of opening each day for the old tramps to buy their special brew  :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 March 2020, 19:09:29
Well, that's that - pubs, restaurants, gyms etc etc all ordered to shut as of tonight.

But the govt is going to print money to pay everyone 80% of their salary if they have to stop working, so there's that..
not everyone
but yep. the shelves in Bargain Booze will be stripped bare
i wonder if they will set aside the first hour of opening each day for the old tramps to buy their special brew  :-\
Define 'not everyone'...
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: TheBoy on 20 March 2020, 19:12:30
Well, that's that - pubs, restaurants, gyms etc etc all ordered to shut as of tonight.

But the govt is going to print money to pay everyone 80% of their salary if they have to stop working, so there's that..
Like I said yesterday, that £100 you've got in your pocket will be worth £70 next month.
That's still a lot of fags and lotto tickets, for those in Bletchley*


*I'm sure there are many such places across the country full of the 12 year old mums of 3 (one black, 1 white, 1 "mixed race") who need fags and lotto tickets more than food and cloths for their offspring.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 March 2020, 19:16:20
Unfortunately, there's no food left because their family bought it already... :D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Varche on 20 March 2020, 19:27:24
Well, that's that - pubs, restaurants, gyms etc etc all ordered to shut as of tonight.

But the govt is going to print money to pay everyone 80% of their salary if they have to stop working, so there's that..
Like I said yesterday, that £100 you've got in your pocket will be worth £70 next month.
That's still a lot of fags and lotto tickets, for those in Bletchley*


*I'm sure there are many such places across the country full of the 12 year old mums of 3 (one black, 1 white, 1 "mixed race") who need fags and lotto tickets more than food and cloths for their offspring.

That reminds me of a joke.

Vasectomies don't stop you having children but do alter their colour.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 20 March 2020, 19:35:17
Well, that's that - pubs, restaurants, gyms etc etc all ordered to shut as of tonight.

But the govt is going to print money to pay everyone 80% of their salary if they have to stop working, so there's that..
not everyone
but yep. the shelves in Bargain Booze will be stripped bare
i wonder if they will set aside the first hour of opening each day for the old tramps to buy their special brew  :-\
Define 'not everyone'...
OK, slightly wrong ,
lots of people won't get big piles of cash ,some people will have to carry on doing some work with hardly any income and fit everything else going on around it , some people will be very happy about free cash and time off .
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 March 2020, 20:23:57
AIUI, 80% of wages upto a cap of £2,500 per month per employee for every business directly closed as a result of bat flu/ bat flu prevention.

The bailout of Norwegian Air Services should help sustain my employer, which in turn should secure my position (I am one of fourteen employees, eight of whom work on Norwegian aircraft, and the second most recent to join... last in first out being standard practice), so both of these things are reassuring :y

If they do end up going down the road of an universal basic salary, then best thing to do would be to save as much of it as possible in order to provide an individual safety net for the future rather than relying on anyone else/credit cards. Also if anyone receives this universal pay who really doesn't need it, then it would be between them and their conscience to redistribute their payment to a more needy cause.

If there is one positive outcome to this exceptional situation, it should be that people and businesses change the way they manage their finances. If you have a dedicated savings pot, then situations like this become minor inconveniences rather than devastating.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 20 March 2020, 20:30:48
AIUI, 80% of wages upto a cap of £2,500 per month per employee for every business directly closed as a result of bat flu/ bat flu prevention.

The bailout of Norwegian Air Services should help sustain my employer, which in turn should secure my position (I am one of fourteen employees, eight of whom work on Norwegian aircraft, and the second most recent to join... last in first out being standard practice), so both of these things are reassuring :y

If they do end up going down the road of an universal basic salary, then best thing to do would be to save as much of it as possible in order to provide an individual safety net for the future rather than relying on anyone else/credit cards. Also if anyone receives this universal pay who really doesn't need it, then it would be between them and their conscience to redistribute their payment to a more needy cause.

If there is one positive outcome to this exceptional situation, it should be that people and businesses change the way they manage their finances. If you have a dedicated savings pot, then situations like this become minor inconveniences rather than devastating.
The money for wages, or 80% of wages, is given, by HMRC, to employers. They then pass it on to their employees. No one will receive it directly.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 20 March 2020, 20:34:49
Having said that: If a pub, club, restaurant, whatever closes, it's not just wages it will still have to pay. There's the utility bills, rent etc. So many (ex) employees may find themselves on benefits despite the government help.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 20 March 2020, 20:41:29

The bailout of Norwegian Air Services should help sustain my employer, which in turn should secure my position (I am one of fourteen employees, eight of whom work on Norwegian aircraft, and the second most recent to join... last in first out being standard practice), so both of these things are reassuring :y

Glad you have hope in saving your JOB DG  :)
if you had to go back to taxis or do lorry driving ,i fear it would be short term work  :-\

I am already drawing on my savings , not worried as long as this Virus problem goes away this year
i am concerned about family members etc and the long term fall out of this "mild flu"  :(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 20 March 2020, 20:50:27
Having said that: If a pub, club, restaurant, whatever closes, it's not just wages it will still have to pay. There's the utility bills, rent etc. So many (ex) employees may find themselves on benefits despite the government help.

and how many companies will get the money and take ages to pay the staff who need it now
how many people will have the rent money but NOT pay their landlords (already happens a lot pre covid 19)
etc etc
unfortunately ,because it's so rushed (and i'm not knocking that it has been put in place quickly)....
 lots of people will abuse the payments etc
maybe a few new  jobs could be created in fraud prevention ,enforcement etc 
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 20 March 2020, 20:53:08
The snowball effect of this virus affects so many peoples livelihoods , I know money has been promised and as we all know talk is cheap I  just hope that those that are in need get help swiftly .
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 March 2020, 21:15:02
Had a really long post written up...

Then the internet shat itself ::)

Basically, diversify or mothball.  Without wages to worry about, a business should be able to keep the lights on for 3-6 months . A really well run business shouldn't even notice being closed until next April as the coming financial year should already be budgeted.

As for that hairdresser whining on C4 news, take a moment and use a bit of imagination... if your business is appointment based, work through your client list and offer home visits... absolutely nowt to stop you cutting hair under a gazebo on someone's front porch whilst wearing a mask ;)

Also an 80% pay packet will look a lot like 95%-100% because you're not commuting. Key workers will be getting full wages as well, and if they do issue universal basic pay, then this will supplement the 80% for those stuck at home, whilst being a bonus for those still working ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 20 March 2020, 21:25:59
Had a really long post written up...

Then the internet shat itself ::)

Basically, diversify or mothball.  Without wages to worry about, a business should be able to keep the lights on for 3-6 months . A really well run business shouldn't even notice being closed until next April as the coming financial year should already be budgeted.

As for that hairdresser whining on C4 news, take a moment and use a bit of imagination... if your business is appointment based, work through your client list and offer home visits... absolutely nowt to stop you cutting hair under a gazebo on someone's front porch whilst wearing a mask ;)

Also an 80% pay packet will look a lot like 95%-100% because you're not commuting. Key workers will be getting full wages as well, and if they do issue universal basic pay, then this will supplement the 80% for those stuck at home, whilst being a bonus for those still working ;)
Where are you getting this 'universal basic pay' from  ???
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 20 March 2020, 21:26:17
Had a really long post written up...

Then the internet shat itself ::)

Basically, diversify or mothball.  Without wages to worry about, a business should be able to keep the lights on for 3-6 months . A really well run business shouldn't even notice being closed until next April as the coming financial year should already be budgeted.

As for that hairdresser whining on C4 news, take a moment and use a bit of imagination... if your business is appointment based, work through your client list and offer home visits... absolutely nowt to stop you cutting hair under a gazebo on someone's front porch whilst wearing a mask ;)

Also an 80% pay packet will look a lot like 95%-100% because you're not commuting. Key workers will be getting full wages as well, and if they do issue universal basic pay, then this will supplement the 80% for those stuck at home, whilst being a bonus for those still working ;)
I just just that good people that need it get money to live
I'm not good with politics or numbers ,my bro does all that 
i'm just a thick hairy arse builder as Opti would say  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 March 2020, 21:34:05
Universal basic pay is a notion being discussed as a way of providing cash to people to help maintain some level of economic spending whilst they are unable to be at work.

It has been used in Finland, but is an untested concept. Today's announcement regarding wage support to allow businesses to retain employees through any shutdowns stops short of paying everyone, but it is being discussed as a next step ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 20 March 2020, 21:40:25
Universal basic pay is a notion being discussed as a way of providing cash to people to help maintain some level of economic spending whilst they are unable to be at work.

It has been used in Finland, but is an untested concept. Today's announcement regarding wage support to allow businesses to retain employees through any shutdowns stops short of paying everyone, but it is being discussed as a next step ;)
Errrrr....why would anyone work?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 20 March 2020, 21:41:50
And what would you spend it on?  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 March 2020, 21:47:00
You wouldn't work, because you're stuck at home with a dose of bat flu and banned from going out.

I would save it and replace my dead Merc with a working one, and if this nonsense carries on for months and months, I will save up for a really nice holiday :D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 March 2020, 21:55:55
https://instagram.com/stories/entreleadership?igshid=7jkb1tlwgtz9
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 20 March 2020, 22:58:32
Funny Twitter exchange:

Godfrey Bloom: Well we didn't close our pubs in the blitz, 60,000 killed then.  What happened to our nation?

Eleanor Perry:  You can't catch bombs by standing a foot away from a friend in a pub, then go home and accidentally bomb your Nan.

 ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: scimmy_man on 21 March 2020, 12:34:32
Don't go to the pub. Don't meet up with your friends. Don't come home with an infection.
Honestly, Boris Johnson is starting to sound like my wife.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 21 March 2020, 12:40:24
Don't go to the pub. Don't meet up with your friends. Don't come home with an infection.
Honestly, Boris Johnson is starting to sound like my wife.

And just think how many times she is absolutely spot on! ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 21 March 2020, 12:59:19
Had a really long post written up...

Then the internet shat itself ::)

Basically, diversify or mothball.  Without wages to worry about, a business should be able to keep the lights on for 3-6 months . A really well run business shouldn't even notice being closed until next April as the coming financial year should already be budgeted.

As for that hairdresser whining on C4 news, take a moment and use a bit of imagination... if your business is appointment based, work through your client list and offer home visits... absolutely nowt to stop you cutting hair under a gazebo on someone's front porch whilst wearing a mask ;)

Also an 80% pay packet will look a lot like 95%-100% because you're not commuting. Key workers will be getting full wages as well, and if they do issue universal basic pay, then this will supplement the 80% for those stuck at home, whilst being a bonus for those still working ;)
I just just that good people that need it get money to live
I'm not good with politics or numbers ,my bro does all that 
i'm just a thick hairy arse builder as Opti would say  ;D

'Neva said you is 'fick'.......merely hairy of arse. A requirement of all builders. :-* :-*
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 21 March 2020, 13:54:51
Had a really long post written up...

Then the internet shat itself ::)

Basically, diversify or mothball.  Without wages to worry about, a business should be able to keep the lights on for 3-6 months . A really well run business shouldn't even notice being closed until next April as the coming financial year should already be budgeted.

As for that hairdresser whining on C4 news, take a moment and use a bit of imagination... if your business is appointment based, work through your client list and offer home visits... absolutely nowt to stop you cutting hair under a gazebo on someone's front porch whilst wearing a mask ;)

Also an 80% pay packet will look a lot like 95%-100% because you're not commuting. Key workers will be getting full wages as well, and if they do issue universal basic pay, then this will supplement the 80% for those stuck at home, whilst being a bonus for those still working ;)
I just just that good people that need it get money to live
I'm not good with politics or numbers ,my bro does all that 
i'm just a thick hairy arse builder as Opti would say  ;D

'Neva said you is 'fick'.......merely hairy of arse. A requirement of all builders. :-* :-*
well .if you read what i put i'm clearly thick  :-[
"i just just" instead of "I just HOPE "  :y  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 21 March 2020, 13:57:47
Anyway, the 'builders bum' of legend is what makes all these horny women wet with desire....... ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 21 March 2020, 14:40:21
Anyway, the 'builders bum' of legend is what makes all these horny women wet with desire....... ::)
the "Builder's bum" is trying hard to keep the oldies in self isolation and behaving (not killing each other) and supplied with food etc .
so, no time for these horny women you speak of Opti  :(

buy a rusty old Ford Transh!t dropside , call yourself Dave ,and fill ya boots  :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 23 March 2020, 11:41:45
You would have thought this would be considered to be way above party politics but apparently not. Labour MP Ian Lavery has been recorded telling young part volunteers what a great opportunity it could be for the party !
https://order-order.com/2020/03/23/ian-lavery-claims-coronavirus-gives-labour-great-opportunity/
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 23 March 2020, 12:51:25
You would have thought this would be considered to be way above party politics but apparently not. Labour MP Ian Lavery has been recorded telling young part volunteers what a great opportunity it could be for the party !
https://order-order.com/2020/03/23/ian-lavery-claims-coronavirus-gives-labour-great-opportunity/

Yep...times like this bring out the best and worst in people.

I remember the ' good day to hide bad news ' quote.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 23 March 2020, 14:12:41
We shouldn't expect anything better from this specimen. He plundered what was left of the miners benevolent fund.
https://order-order.com/2017/10/20/corbyn-stands-by-disgraced-lavery/
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 23 March 2020, 17:04:51
I agree the man is scum
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Nick W on 25 March 2020, 11:08:10
You would have thought this would be considered to be way above party politics but apparently not. Labour MP Ian Lavery has been recorded telling young part volunteers what a great opportunity it could be for the party !
https://order-order.com/2020/03/23/ian-lavery-claims-coronavirus-gives-labour-great-opportunity/ (https://order-order.com/2020/03/23/ian-lavery-claims-coronavirus-gives-labour-great-opportunity/)


it's how all three parties used to work locally: meet regularly, and then get out into the community to do useful stuff, some of which included publicising their cause. Both candidates and incumbents actually lobbied for the constituents. No longer doing all of those things is one of the many things wrong with modern politics.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 25 March 2020, 11:26:32
Its the fact that he described the situation as " a great opportunity" which is crass beyond belief.
Meanwhile another Labour figure has been in trouble over Covid.
https://order-order.com/page/3/

Extinction rebellion in the Midlands has printed leaflets saying "Human life is a disease. Coronavirus is the cure".
Imo, this should give the Govt. the excuse to put them on the list of dangerous, banned organisations.
https://order-order.com/
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: ronnyd on 25 March 2020, 18:26:39
I wonder if Charlie, (prince of wales) phoned 111 when he first got the sniffles. He soon got a test, also Camilla ,when NHS staff can't get them. Yes, we are all in this together. ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 25 March 2020, 22:12:03
Just as Harry thought he could never be King...  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: ronnyd on 25 March 2020, 22:14:03
Just as Harry thought he could never be King...  ::)
Yes, he could fly right up the pecking order. ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 25 March 2020, 22:19:45
Oi, don’t overlook ol wille😉
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 25 March 2020, 22:26:01
Oi, don’t overlook ol wille😉
none of us look at willies here Rae
strictly beaver and boobs  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 25 March 2020, 22:29:47
Aye but...  little willie Willie won’t go home,... you can’t mess Willie around Willie won’t go!
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 26 March 2020, 09:59:56
Aye but...  little willie Willie won’t go home,... you can’t mess Willie around Willie won’t go!
.

KY Jelly helps 😁
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 26 March 2020, 13:22:02
Murray mints ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 26 March 2020, 13:23:29
Sweet😉😉
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: ronnyd on 26 March 2020, 23:36:30
ITV 2 had a film on tonight called Contagion. Very close to home. Bet a few shat themselves when they watched it.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: sticka_v8_init on 27 March 2020, 00:03:59
ITV 2 had a film on tonight called Contagion. Very close to home. Bet a few shat themselves when they watched it.

Just watched it. As you say "close to home". Very easy to imagine reality following tbh.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 30 March 2020, 12:02:04
Something positive.  :y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMPVSZj60VQ
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 30 March 2020, 12:35:48
Something positive.  :y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMPVSZj60VQ
Excellent news.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 30 March 2020, 12:37:47
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Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 30 March 2020, 12:57:44
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What are you going on about?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 30 March 2020, 14:00:02
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What are you going on about?

Poor old Uncle STEMO must have succumbed to Lock Down Fatigue Syndrome.   :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 30 March 2020, 14:33:00
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What are you going on about?

Poor old Uncle STEMO must have succumbed to Lock Down Fatigue Syndrome.   :-\

I genuinely worry about the old boy. :)

He must be running low on toilet roll.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 30 March 2020, 14:34:38
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What are you going on about?

Poor old Uncle STEMO must have succumbed to Lock Down Fatigue Syndrome.   :-\
Lock down? Been out for a walk with the dog and been to the supermarket.
I made a comment about JCB that, after looking at it again, I thought I'd better delete. Don't want to offend you delicate old fogies.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 30 March 2020, 14:37:22
Wifey is going to work every day, if the virus is coming here, that's the route it will take.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 30 March 2020, 17:07:13
Wifey is going to work every day, if the virus is coming here, that's the route it will take.

You go to the supermarket every day, so you're just as likely to catch it there.  :P
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 30 March 2020, 17:10:28
Wifey is going to work every day, if the virus is coming here, that's the route it will take.

You go to the supermarket every day, so you're just as likely to catch it there.  :P

If STMO's good lady brings it home it is most likely to kill off STMO due to his age. His 20 year old lad should be able to shrug it off and so should his young  wife.  It looks as though STMO may soon be meeting his maker.  :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 30 March 2020, 17:14:45
Wifey is going to work every day, if the virus is coming here, that's the route it will take.

You go to the supermarket every day, so you're just as likely to catch it there.  :P

If STMO's good lady brings it home it is most likely to kill off STMO due to his age. His 20 year old lad should be able to shrug it off and so should his young  wife.  It looks as though STMO may soon be meeting his maker.  :)

Oh I don't know, although he comes across as a big softie, I reckon Uncle STEMO is a tough old boot really.  :y

It's the pampered over sexed aristocracy I worry about.  :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 30 March 2020, 17:19:45
Wifey is going to work every day, if the virus is coming here, that's the route it will take.

You go to the supermarket every day, so you're just as likely to catch it there.  :P

If STMO's good lady brings it home it is most likely to kill off STMO due to his age. His 20 year old lad should be able to shrug it off and so should his young  wife.  It looks as though STMO may soon be meeting his maker.  :)

Oh I don't know, although he comes across as a big softie, I reckon Uncle STEMO is a tough old boot really.  :y

It's the pampered over sexed aristocracy I worry about.  :)

As I am of the proletariat class I rarely get to meet posh people. :)

No.....the old boy could be on his way out. His lad is more likely to die of a very sore wrist being locked away from female company for 3 months. :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 30 March 2020, 17:31:49
Wifey is going to work every day, if the virus is coming here, that's the route it will take.

You go to the supermarket every day, so you're just as likely to catch it there.  :P
Nah. If you saw how the gestapo at Asda watched over you........... ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 30 March 2020, 17:32:49
Wifey is going to work every day, if the virus is coming here, that's the route it will take.

You go to the supermarket every day, so you're just as likely to catch it there.  :P

If STMO's good lady brings it home it is most likely to kill off STMO due to his age. His 20 year old lad should be able to shrug it off and so should his young  wife.  It looks as though STMO may soon be meeting his maker.  :)

Oh I don't know, although he comes across as a big softie, I reckon Uncle STEMO is a tough old boot really.  :y

It's the pampered over sexed aristocracy I worry about.  :)

As I am of the proletariat class I rarely get to meet posh people. :)

No.....the old boy could be on his way out. His lad is more likely to die of a very sore wrist being locked away from female company for 3 months. :)
Six months. He won't be going back till September, they finish for summer hols in June.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 30 March 2020, 17:36:41
Wifey is going to work every day, if the virus is coming here, that's the route it will take.

You go to the supermarket every day, so you're just as likely to catch it there.  :P

If STMO's good lady brings it home it is most likely to kill off STMO due to his age. His 20 year old lad should be able to shrug it off and so should his young  wife.  It looks as though STMO may soon be meeting his maker.  :)

Oh I don't know, although he comes across as a big softie, I reckon Uncle STEMO is a tough old boot really.  :y

It's the pampered over sexed aristocracy I worry about.  :)

As I am of the proletariat class I rarely get to meet posh people. :)

No.....the old boy could be on his way out. His lad is more likely to die of a very sore wrist being locked away from female company for 3 months. :)
Six months. He won't be going back till September, they finish for summer hols in June.

Six months..... :o :o :o

Best buy extra bog roll. ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 30 March 2020, 17:43:06
Teenage lads these days don't know they're born.  ::)

An endless supply of porn on the net and no crusty mags under the bed for their Mum's to find.  :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 30 March 2020, 17:55:21
Teenage lads these days don't know they're born.  ::)

An endless supply of porn on the net and no crusty mags under the bed for their Mum's to find.  :)

Ah yes . The joy of peeling back stuck together pages of Fiesta. Readers wives offered assistance if memory serves. ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 30 March 2020, 18:03:03
Teenage lads these days don't know they're born.  ::)

An endless supply of porn on the net and no crusty mags under the bed for their Mum's to find.  :)

Ah yes . The joy of peeling back stuck together pages of Fiesta. Readers wives offered assistance if memory serves. ;D

Swapping porno's with your mate and then later on finding that he'd stuck the pages together...  ::)  :(  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: TheBoy on 30 March 2020, 18:09:19
Teenage lads these days don't know they're born.  ::)

An endless supply of porn on the net and no crusty mags under the bed for their Mum's to find.  :)

Ah yes . The joy of peeling back stuck together pages of Fiesta. Readers wives offered assistance if memory serves. ;D
Sometimes, when nothing else was available, the underwear sections of the Freemans Catalogue had to suffice...
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 30 March 2020, 18:14:28
Think you need to specify WOMEN'S underwear sections of the Freemans Catalogue  TB  :y
not men's Y fronts and vests  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 30 March 2020, 18:16:44
Teenage lads these days don't know they're born.  ::)

An endless supply of porn on the net and no crusty mags under the bed for their Mum's to find.  :)

Ah yes . The joy of peeling back stuck together pages of Fiesta. Readers wives offered assistance if memory serves. ;D
Sometimes, when nothing else was available, the underwear sections of the Freemans Catalogue had to suffice...

Sticking the pages of your Mum's catalogue together would have been considered bad form I'd imagine TB?  :-\                          ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 30 March 2020, 18:17:56
Teenage lads these days don't know they're born.  ::)

An endless supply of porn on the net and no crusty mags under the bed for their Mum's to find.  :)

Ah yes . The joy of peeling back stuck together pages of Fiesta. Readers wives offered assistance if memory serves. ;D

Swapping porno's with your mate and then later on finding that he'd stuck the pages together...  ::)  :(  ;D

Noooooo.......I never went to these lengths.

Or the 'communal wanking' groups that some went in for........including the Beatles.

Too gay by far.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 30 March 2020, 18:20:48
Teenage lads these days don't know they're born.  ::)

An endless supply of porn on the net and no crusty mags under the bed for their Mum's to find.  :)

Ah yes . The joy of peeling back stuck together pages of Fiesta. Readers wives offered assistance if memory serves. ;D
Sometimes, when nothing else was available, the underwear sections of the Freemans Catalogue had to suffice...

Sticking the pages of your Mum's catalogue together would have been considered bad form I'd imagine TB?  :-\                          ;D
;D ;D ;D

I've just read all that out loud to SWMBO. She just rolled her eyes and said "You'll all get worse the longer you're stuck in".  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: TheBoy on 30 March 2020, 18:22:14
Teenage lads these days don't know they're born.  ::)

An endless supply of porn on the net and no crusty mags under the bed for their Mum's to find.  :)

Ah yes . The joy of peeling back stuck together pages of Fiesta. Readers wives offered assistance if memory serves. ;D
Sometimes, when nothing else was available, the underwear sections of the Freemans Catalogue had to suffice...

Sticking the pages of your Mum's catalogue together would have been considered bad form I'd imagine TB?  :-\                          ;D
Doubt she noticed, being strictly M&S in that department.  I suspect I was a good shot and managed to hit the Andrex Runway instead anyway...
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: TheBoy on 30 March 2020, 18:23:15
Teenage lads these days don't know they're born.  ::)

An endless supply of porn on the net and no crusty mags under the bed for their Mum's to find.  :)

Ah yes . The joy of peeling back stuck together pages of Fiesta. Readers wives offered assistance if memory serves. ;D

Swapping porno's with your mate and then later on finding that he'd stuck the pages together...  ::)  :(  ;D

Noooooo.......I never went to these lengths.

Or the 'communal wanking' groups that some went in for........including the Beatles.

Too gay by far.
I guess you wasn't a rugby fan then, as a game of soggy biscuit is the norm after a game.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 30 March 2020, 18:28:49
Teenage lads these days don't know they're born.  ::)

An endless supply of porn on the net and no crusty mags under the bed for their Mum's to find.  :)

Ah yes . The joy of peeling back stuck together pages of Fiesta. Readers wives offered assistance if memory serves. ;D

Swapping porno's with your mate and then later on finding that he'd stuck the pages together...  ::)  :(  ;D

Noooooo.......I never went to these lengths.

Or the 'communal wanking' groups that some went in for........including the Beatles.

Too gay by far.
I guess you wasn't a rugby fan then, as a game of soggy biscuit is the norm after a game.

I needed to Google this.

The only time I wasn't alone was when I invited a helpful girl to lend a hand. :y

Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 30 March 2020, 19:00:12
Same here. I have a theory that all rugby players are secretly gay. That Welsh wotsisname fella,was the same as all the others. He was just brave enough to admit it.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: ronnyd on 30 March 2020, 19:14:11
My God, listening to you lot i realise i've lead a very sheltered life. ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 30 March 2020, 19:19:19
My God, listening to you lot i realise i've lead a very sheltered life. ::)
You're a good boy, Ronny  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: ronnyd on 30 March 2020, 19:22:17
My God, listening to you lot i realise i've lead a very sheltered life. ::)
You're a good boy, Ronny  ;D
Not for want of trying.  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 30 March 2020, 21:22:12
Teenage lads these days don't know they're born.  ::)

An endless supply of porn on the net and no crusty mags under the bed for their Mum's to find.  :)

Ah yes . The joy of peeling back stuck together pages of Fiesta. Readers wives offered assistance if memory serves. ;D

Swapping porno's with your mate and then later on finding that he'd stuck the pages together...  ::)  :(  ;D

Noooooo.......I never went to these lengths.

Or the 'communal wanking' groups that some went in for........including the Beatles.

Too gay by far.
I guess you wasn't a rugby fan then, as a game of soggy biscuit is the norm after a game.


 Blimey memories of being a you'ff.   
I still struggle to watch a flake advert.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 30 March 2020, 22:13:52
Teenage lads these days don't know they're born.  ::)

An endless supply of porn on the net and no crusty mags under the bed for their Mum's to find.  :)

Ah yes . The joy of peeling back stuck together pages of Fiesta. Readers wives offered assistance if memory serves. ;D

Swapping porno's with your mate and then later on finding that he'd stuck the pages together...  ::)  :(  ;D

Noooooo.......I never went to these lengths.

Or the 'communal wanking' groups that some went in for........including the Beatles.

Too gay by far.
I guess you wasn't a rugby fan then, as a game of soggy biscuit is the norm after a game.


 Blimey memories of being a you'ff.   
I still struggle to watch a flake advert.
.   


She had beautiful lips the girl in that ad ,she's probably got dentures now though..😃
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 31 March 2020, 16:40:57
Teenage lads these days don't know they're born.  ::)

An endless supply of porn on the net and no crusty mags under the bed for their Mum's to find.  :)

Ah yes . The joy of peeling back stuck together pages of Fiesta. Readers wives offered assistance if memory serves. ;D

Swapping porno's with your mate and then later on finding that he'd stuck the pages together...  ::)  :(  ;D

Noooooo.......I never went to these lengths.

Or the 'communal wanking' groups that some went in for........including the Beatles.

Too gay by far.
I guess you wasn't a rugby fan then, as a game of soggy biscuit is the norm after a game.


 Blimey memories of being a you'ff.   
I still struggle to watch a flake advert.
.   


She had beautiful lips the girl in that ad ,she's probably got dentures now though..😃

 
 (https://i.postimg.cc/mZCC1H5t/baf01b75b539b414f011266e8a4e68d2.jpg)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 31 March 2020, 18:09:23
Definitely "Gobbling lips "😁
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 31 March 2020, 18:49:16
The hairy armpit feminists used to complain that the Flake advert was sexist.......as was Miss World.  ;D

Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 31 March 2020, 19:04:05
The hairy armpit feminists used to complain that the Flake advert was sexist.......as was Miss World.  ;D
Sexist? An attractive blonde simulating oral sex with a chocolate bar? These people should get a life, what could be more natural?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 31 March 2020, 20:14:04

 Blimey memories of being a you'ff.   
I still struggle to watch a flake advert.
.   


She had beautiful lips the girl in that ad ,she's probably got dentures now though..😃

Imagine what she could do to that flake these days if she took the dentures out!  :D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: omegod on 31 March 2020, 21:49:03
Teenage lads these days don't know they're born.  ::)

An endless supply of porn on the net and no crusty mags under the bed for their Mum's to find.  :)

Ah yes . The joy of peeling back stuck together pages of Fiesta. Readers wives offered assistance if memory serves. ;D

Swapping porno's with your mate and then later on finding that he'd stuck the pages together...  ::)  :(  ;D

Noooooo.......I never went to these lengths.

Or the 'communal wanking' groups that some went in for........including the Beatles.

Too gay by far.
I guess you wasn't a rugby fan then, as a game of soggy biscuit is the norm after a game.


 Blimey memories of being a you'ff.   
I still struggle to watch a flake advert.
.   


She had beautiful lips the girl in that ad ,she's probably got dentures now though..😃

Marilyn Crossey, died 2008  :'(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 01 April 2020, 20:39:44
Teenage lads these days don't know they're born.  ::)

An endless supply of porn on the net and no crusty mags under the bed for their Mum's to find.  :)

Ah yes . The joy of peeling back stuck together pages of Fiesta. Readers wives offered assistance if memory serves. ;D

Swapping porno's with your mate and then later on finding that he'd stuck the pages together...  ::)  :(  ;D

Noooooo.......I never went to these lengths.

Or the 'communal wanking' groups that some went in for........including the Beatles.

Too gay by far.
I guess you wasn't a rugby fan then, as a game of soggy biscuit is the norm after a game.


 Blimey memories of being a you'ff.   
I still struggle to watch a flake advert.
.   


She had beautiful lips the girl in that ad ,she's probably got dentures now though..😃

Marilyn Crossey, died 2008  :'(

 
 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/i-am-alive-says-dead-flake-235448.amp
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 01 April 2020, 20:43:07
Teenage lads these days don't know they're born.  ::)

An endless supply of porn on the net and no crusty mags under the bed for their Mum's to find.  :)

Ah yes . The joy of peeling back stuck together pages of Fiesta. Readers wives offered assistance if memory serves. ;D

Swapping porno's with your mate and then later on finding that he'd stuck the pages together...  ::)  :(  ;D

Noooooo.......I never went to these lengths.

Or the 'communal wanking' groups that some went in for........including the Beatles.

Too gay by far.
I guess you wasn't a rugby fan then, as a game of soggy biscuit is the norm after a game.


 Blimey memories of being a you'ff.   
I still struggle to watch a flake advert.
.   


She had beautiful lips the girl in that ad ,she's probably got dentures now though..😃

Marilyn Crossey, died 2008  :'(

 
 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/i-am-alive-says-dead-flake-235448.amp
Good find.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 02 April 2020, 15:10:31
Corbyns brother has the whole thing sussed out.
https://order-order.com/page/3/

Might have been an April fools joke, or he is even nuttier than his brother. Who knows ?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: BazaJT on 02 April 2020, 16:29:46
It amazes me that he-and no doubt plenty of others who read such things- actually seem to believe this sort of thing.Is there something in the water he's drinking?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 02 April 2020, 17:35:42
Should be locked up the ferking idiot. The man deserves a public flogging.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: redelitev6 on 03 April 2020, 11:34:41
This virus thing is getting serious now , they've just cancelled Sunderland air show , one of the highlights of the year for me , when will it end  :(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: omegod on 03 April 2020, 13:30:15
I spoke to my brother last night who's been seconded to ITU at a major local Hospital ,he reported that they are preparing for an extremely grim Easter weekend :'(.

Looking out of the window here you'd think it was a summer fete in the park  >:(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 03 April 2020, 15:10:07
Just read that Her Majesty is going to address the country on Sunday re the Pandemic.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 03 April 2020, 15:12:29
Just read that Her Majesty is going to address the country on Sunday re the Pandemic.

If she contracts the virus Charlie boy could be king before she gets the chance to speak. :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: omegod on 03 April 2020, 15:34:43
Just read that Her Majesty is going to address the country on Sunday re the Pandemic.

Maybe Phillips kicked the bucket?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 03 April 2020, 15:35:46
Just read that Her Majesty is going to address the country on Sunday re the Pandemic.

Maybe Phillips kicked the bucket?

Again?.....how many times now? :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Shackeng on 03 April 2020, 15:45:46
Phew, thank god for that, Matt Hancock has written off the NHS debt of £13Bn, for one awful moment I thought we taxpayers might have to foot the bill. :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 03 April 2020, 15:47:26
Phew, thank god for that, Matt Hancock has written off the NHS debt of £13Bn, for one awful moment I thought we taxpayers might have to foot the bill. :y
£13 billion will be a mere drop in the ocean when this is all over, Chris. What do you reckon about the triple lock on my pension?  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Shackeng on 03 April 2020, 20:46:12
Phew, thank god for that, Matt Hancock has written off the NHS debt of £13Bn, for one awful moment I thought we taxpayers might have to foot the bill. :y
£13 billion will be a mere drop in the ocean when this is all over, Chris. What do you reckon about the triple lock on my pension?  ;D

As safe as houses... oh wait. :-X
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 03 April 2020, 21:18:06
When big bad Boris jacks up taxes and implements Greek EU style austerity to get the public finances back in some sort of order after this nightmare is over , the rejoiniac leftards and their MSM running dogs will really have something to squeal about!  :o   :-X   ;D

Either that and assuming that Boris means what he says about not extending the so called transition period, come 1st January, we will no longer be subject to the EU's Stability and Growth Pact and we can take on as much debt as we like and be like Japan who have a debt to GDP ratio of about 200%!  ::)  National debt of £4.5 trillion (approx) anyone?  ???

What could possibly go wrong?  :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 03 April 2020, 21:20:07
Whether we are out by then or not, at least we didn't join the single currency. So we can print money.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 03 April 2020, 21:28:44
Whether we are out by then or not, at least we didn't join the single currency. So we can print money.

We can do both.  The treasury should borrow loads to buy shares in all the struggling but otherwise good companies and ban foreign companies, sovereign wealth funds and governments (esp China) from taking controlling or large stakes.  ;)

They can print money and flood the economy with easy money to kick start it back to life.  The downside is that inflation might go up, but that will help get rid of the debts!  :y

Damn, I'm starting to sound like bleddy socialist!  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 03 April 2020, 21:47:14
Whatever unfolds we are better out of the shambles.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 03 April 2020, 22:07:03
Whether we are out by then or not, at least we didn't join the single currency. So we can print money.

We can do both.  The treasury should borrow loads to buy shares in all the struggling but otherwise good companies and ban foreign companies, sovereign wealth funds and governments (esp China) from taking controlling or large stakes.  ;)

They can print money and flood the economy with easy money to kick start it back to life.  The downside is that inflation might go up, but that will help get rid of the debts!  :y

Damn, I'm starting to sound like bleddy socialist!  ;D
Inflation is nothing to worry about. As you say, the government can inflate it's debt away and granny will feel loaded when her pension hits £300 a week...............until she goes to buy a loaf.  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 04 April 2020, 09:13:01
I wonder if all this will be the thing that finally takes the heat out of the housing market ? It should do, but then so should the financial crash and it didn't.
There is still the supply / demand problem despite the economics.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 04 April 2020, 09:44:16
I wouldn't like to guess how all this will end , it's an unprecedented chain of events the only thing I want is my family & friends to come through this as safely as possible, but unfortunately a lot of folks don't want to or will not heed advice given. Cannot believe how little some value their lives.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Viral_Jim on 04 April 2020, 09:53:42
I wonder if all this will be the thing that finally takes the heat out of the housing market ? It should do, but then so should the financial crash and it didn't.
There is still the supply / demand problem despite the economics.

This. While ever we aren't building enough homes, a problem we've had since the 80's and made worse by national chain 'house builders' who are incentivised not to build houses, house prices will continue to outstrip wage growth.

The unequal investment in different parts of the country will make matters worse in some areas than others, but overall the situation won't change for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 04 April 2020, 11:33:47
I don't believe we have a  housing shortage in the UK. We have far too many people.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 04 April 2020, 11:42:37
I don't believe we have a  housing shortage in the UK. We have far too many people.
.
                 And most of the wrong kind :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 04 April 2020, 12:55:05
I don't believe we have a  housing shortage in the UK. We have far too many people.
'If only'  there was a way to thin down the surplus population
then everyone who is left forced to have their every move tracked
we could have a DNA database collected during testing everyone in the world for an illness
get everyone to reduce pollution by innovating "work from home" and "work/live spaces"
get everyone eating pasta and rice rather than meat
stop people drinking to excess in pubs  etc ,which leads to sick days and alcoholism,health problems

I could go on  :P  :D ;D
 
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 04 April 2020, 13:04:52
You’ve said enough :o
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 04 April 2020, 13:34:25
I don't believe we have a  housing shortage in the UK. We have far too many people.
'If only'  there was a way to thin down the surplus population
then everyone who is left forced to have their every move tracked
we could have a DNA database collected during testing everyone in the world for an illness
get everyone to reduce pollution by innovating "work from home" and "work/live spaces"
get everyone eating pasta and rice rather than meat
stop people drinking to excess in pubs  etc ,which leads to sick days and alcoholism,health problems

I could go on  :P  :D ;D

All that has been tried before, one way or another, throughout history.  In the end though the people have prefered Democracy, which has produced better results. :D :D ;)

Or perhaps Dave I should say to you as I said to TB: Sieg Heil Mein Fuhrer! ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 04 April 2020, 13:40:06
They’re both Krouts ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 04 April 2020, 13:43:54
I don't believe we have a  housing shortage in the UK. We have far too many people.
'If only'  there was a way to thin down the surplus population
then everyone who is left forced to have their every move tracked
we could have a DNA database collected during testing everyone in the world for an illness
get everyone to reduce pollution by innovating "work from home" and "work/live spaces"
get everyone eating pasta and rice rather than meat
stop people drinking to excess in pubs  etc ,which leads to sick days and alcoholism,health problems

I could go on  :P  :D ;D

All that has been tried before, one way or another, throughout history.  In the end though the people have prefered Democracy, which has produced better results. :D :D ;)

Or perhaps Dave I should say to you as I said to TB: Sieg Heil Mein Fuhrer! ;D ;D ;D ;)
I am but a foot soldier Lizzie and can take no credit for this evil that spreads amongst us
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 04 April 2020, 13:46:59
They’re both Krouts ;D


ich weiß wo du wohnst Rae  :-X
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 04 April 2020, 14:23:13
They’re both Krouts ;D

You mean like Hitler and Goering were! ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 04 April 2020, 14:23:56
I don't believe we have a  housing shortage in the UK. We have far too many people.
'If only'  there was a way to thin down the surplus population
then everyone who is left forced to have their every move tracked
we could have a DNA database collected during testing everyone in the world for an illness
get everyone to reduce pollution by innovating "work from home" and "work/live spaces"
get everyone eating pasta and rice rather than meat
stop people drinking to excess in pubs  etc ,which leads to sick days and alcoholism,health problems

I could go on  :P  :D ;D

All that has been tried before, one way or another, throughout history.  In the end though the people have prefered Democracy, which has produced better results. :D :D ;)

Or perhaps Dave I should say to you as I said to TB: Sieg Heil Mein Fuhrer! ;D ;D ;D ;)
I am but a foot soldier Lizzie and can take no credit for this evil that spreads amongst us
;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 04 April 2020, 14:25:32
They’re both Krouts ;D


ich weiß wo du wohnst Rae  :-X

The Gestapo or SS will be visiting soon! :o :o :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 04 April 2020, 14:36:31
Joking aside, which thank God we can still do, there  is a serious point I should make.

The Nazi scientists did experiment on death camp inmates to find ways of using deadly diseases to their evil ends, to create a super race. This research focused on human experiments dealing with: tuberculosis, petechial typhus, malaria, viral hepatitis, and those regarding sulphonamides as antimicrobial agents.   Over 7,200 died as a result of these experiments.

I therefore do wonder if somewhere, or in even a few laboratories, such research is still being carried out to kill the weak and those, like the Nazis believed, of "inferior origins", to create a master race.

It is strange, as others have said, how this virus originated in China, a State I would not trust an inch! ::) ::) ::) :P

Now, I know this is pure speculation, controversial, and stinks of "conspiracy" theory, which I hate, but never forget the teachings of the philosopher, Machiavelli, and his theory about the greater good. ::) ::) ;)

Like with the teachings of  Nietzsche, certain evil individuals and nations amoungst could fully believe these, as indeed Hitler did over the latter.  :-X :-X
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 04 April 2020, 14:47:07
They’re both Krouts ;D


ich weiß wo du wohnst Rae  :-X

The Gestapo or SS will be visiting soon! :o :o :D :D ;)

 Schweigen !  Informanten hat besucht  auch Lizzie  :-X   ;D :D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 04 April 2020, 14:49:15
They’re both Krouts ;D


ich weiß wo du wohnst Rae  :-X

The Gestapo or SS will be visiting soon! :o :o :D :D ;)

 Schweigen !  Informanten hat besucht  auch Lizzie  :-X   ;D :D

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

wenn ich verschwinde................!! :P :P :P :D ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 04 April 2020, 15:00:14
They’re both Krouts ;D


ich weiß wo du wohnst Rae  :-X

The Gestapo or SS will be visiting soon! :o :o :D :D ;)

 Schweigen !  Informanten hat besucht  auch Lizzie  :-X   ;D :D

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

wenn ich verschwinde................!! :P :P :P :D ;)

Ihr Omega kann beschlagnahmt werden   ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 04 April 2020, 15:02:39
They’re both Krouts ;D


ich weiß wo du wohnst Rae  :-X.   
                                                    Ahh, wunderwaffe is on its way💣
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 04 April 2020, 15:08:24
And I’ve moved ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 04 April 2020, 15:10:34
They’re both Krouts ;D


ich weiß wo du wohnst Rae  :-X.   
                                                    Ahh, wunderwaffe is on its way💣

yes Rae , I have a big weapon  ;D

And I’ve moved ;D

I will ask dolly the sheep for a forwarding address  ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: redelitev6 on 04 April 2020, 15:36:19
Joking aside, which thank God we can still do, there  is a serious point I should make.

The Nazi scientists did experiment on death camp inmates to find ways of using deadly diseases to their evil ends, to create a super race. This research focused on human experiments dealing with: tuberculosis, petechial typhus, malaria, viral hepatitis, and those regarding sulphonamides as antimicrobial agents.   Over 7,200 died as a result of these experiments.

I therefore do wonder if somewhere, or in even a few laboratories, such research is still being carried out to kill the weak and those, like the Nazis believed, of "inferior origins", to create a master race.

It is strange, as others have said, how this virus originated in China, a State I would not trust an inch! ::) ::) ::) :P

Now, I know this is pure speculation, controversial, and stinks of "conspiracy" theory, which I hate, but never forget the teachings of the philosopher, Machiavelli, and his theory about the greater good. ::) ::) ;)

Like with the teachings of  Nietzsche, certain evil individuals and nations amoungst could fully believe these, as indeed Hitler did over the latter.  :-X :-X
Don't forget that Allied scientists were more than happy to use Nazi testing results to further their own goals ,The Americans were more than happy to forget the suffering of the forced labourers used in the Rocket programme and were even more happy to sneak the same scientists into the U.S. for what eventually became the moon landing programme     
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 04 April 2020, 15:48:57
They’re both Krouts ;D


ich weiß wo du wohnst Rae  :-X.   
                                                    Ahh, wunderwaffe is on its way💣

yes Rae , I have a big weapon  ;D

And I’ve moved ;D

I will ask dolly the sheep for a forwarding                                                                                        Hier stehe ich, ich kann nicht anders. Gott helfe mir. Amen!:
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 04 April 2020, 16:05:54
They’re both Krouts ;D


ich weiß wo du wohnst Rae  :-X.   
                                                    Ahh, wunderwaffe is on its way💣

yes Rae , I have a big weapon  ;D

And I’ve moved ;D

I will ask dolly the sheep for a forwarding address 
   

  Hier stehe ich, ich kann nicht anders. Gott helfe mir. Amen!
 
 
Gott hat dich verlassen Rae ,
Ihr schnell Omega wird ebenfalls beschlagnahmt  :P

you got to love google translate   ;D :D

hope no actual Germans read this codswallop   :-[
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 04 April 2020, 16:09:35
They’re both Krouts ;D


ich weiß wo du wohnst Rae  :-X.   
                                                    Ahh, wunderwaffe is on its way💣

yes Rae , I have a big weapon  ;D

And I’ve moved ;D

I will ask dolly the sheep for a forwarding address 
   

  Hier stehe ich, ich kann nicht anders. Gott helfe mir. Amen!
 
 
Gott hat dich verlassen Rae ,
Ihr schnell Omega wird ebenfalls beschlagnahmt  :P

you got to love google translate   ;D :D

hope no actual Germans read this codswallop   :-[
Your testicles are in your ears?  :o
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: TheBoy on 04 April 2020, 16:12:13
Teenage lads these days don't know they're born.  ::)

An endless supply of porn on the net and no crusty mags under the bed for their Mum's to find.  :)

Ah yes . The joy of peeling back stuck together pages of Fiesta. Readers wives offered assistance if memory serves. ;D

Swapping porno's with your mate and then later on finding that he'd stuck the pages together...  ::)  :(  ;D

Noooooo.......I never went to these lengths.

Or the 'communal wanking' groups that some went in for........including the Beatles.

Too gay by far.
I guess you wasn't a rugby fan then, as a game of soggy biscuit is the norm after a game.


 Blimey memories of being a you'ff.   
I still struggle to watch a flake advert.
.   


She had beautiful lips the girl in that ad ,she's probably got dentures now though..😃

 
 (https://i.postimg.cc/mZCC1H5t/baf01b75b539b414f011266e8a4e68d2.jpg)
Yup, that's one to keep in the wank bank.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 04 April 2020, 16:25:24

you got to love google translate   ;D :D

Your testicles are in your ears?  :o
your Apple product strikes again,Uncle Stemo  ::)
don't worry , the SS won't bother to come to Barnsley for your astra tractor  ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 04 April 2020, 16:29:57
Joking aside, which thank God we can still do, there  is a serious point I should make.

The Nazi scientists did experiment on death camp inmates to find ways of using deadly diseases to their evil ends, to create a super race. This research focused on human experiments dealing with: tuberculosis, petechial typhus, malaria, viral hepatitis, and those regarding sulphonamides as antimicrobial agents.   Over 7,200 died as a result of these experiments.

I therefore do wonder if somewhere, or in even a few laboratories, such research is still being carried out to kill the weak and those, like the Nazis believed, of "inferior origins", to create a master race.

It is strange, as others have said, how this virus originated in China, a State I would not trust an inch! ::) ::) ::) :P

Now, I know this is pure speculation, controversial, and stinks of "conspiracy" theory, which I hate, but never forget the teachings of the philosopher, Machiavelli, and his theory about the greater good. ::) ::) ;)

Like with the teachings of  Nietzsche, certain evil individuals and nations amoungst could fully believe these, as indeed Hitler did over the latter.  :-X :-X
Don't forget that Allied scientists were more than happy to use Nazi testing results to further their own goals ,The Americans were more than happy to forget the suffering of the forced labourers used in the Rocket programme and were even more happy to sneak the same scientists into the U.S. for what eventually became the moon landing programme   

Oh yes,  von Braun and his mates were fundamental in getting America to the Moon, and pursuing space military ideas, such as a space station armed with missiles.

Thank God though the USA got him in 1945 and not the Soviet Union! :D ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 04 April 2020, 16:57:49
What's all this about "5G causing the virus in humans"?!

Just seen a reference on BBC about this crap being out there on social media and 5G mast being vandalised! :o :o :o >:(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 04 April 2020, 17:11:53
What's all this about "5G causing the virus in humans"?!

Just seen a reference on BBC about this crap being out there on social media and 5G mast being vandalised! :o :o :o >:(
It must be true if it's on the internet Lizzie  :)
Last night's "The Mash report" touches on the subject "Facebook radicalized your mum"
worth a watch  :y
i've spent hours trimming my mum's facebook page of all the ******  :-[
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 04 April 2020, 17:29:58
What's all this about "5G causing the virus in humans"?!

Just seen a reference on BBC about this crap being out there on social media and 5G mast being vandalised! :o :o :o >:(

Don't know about 5G and the virus, but if you head over to YouTube you'll find loads of videos about dead birds and bees near 5G towers.  ::)  :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 04 April 2020, 17:34:42
What's all this about "5G causing the virus in humans"?!

Just seen a reference on BBC about this crap being out there on social media and 5G mast being vandalised! :o :o :o >:(

Don't know about 5G and the virus, but if you head over to YouTube you'll find loads of videos about dead birds and bees near 5G towers.  ::)  :-\
please explain "the birds and the bees" Sir TIG  :D
will this have an impact on human population reduction or increase  :-\   ;D :D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 04 April 2020, 17:38:18
What's all this about "5G causing the virus in humans"?!

Just seen a reference on BBC about this crap being out there on social media and 5G mast being vandalised! :o :o :o >:(

Don't know about 5G and the virus, but if you head over to YouTube you'll find loads of videos about dead birds and bees near 5G towers.  ::)  :-\
please explain "the birds and the bees" Sir TIG :D
will this have an impact on human population reduction or increase  :-\   ;D :D

Educating the innocent in the ways of the birds and the bees is Lord Opti's department.  :y

I might be wrong, but I'm not sure if he extends his services to hairy arsed builders though.  :-\   ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 04 April 2020, 18:03:55
Now now Dai,

Omega ist sicher, achten Sie auf Ihre Schaufel
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 04 April 2020, 18:10:17
Now now Dai,

Omega ist sicher, achten Sie auf Ihre Schaufel

My shovel has been self isolating in the workshop for weeks  :'(
done a few "Emergency repairs" which have amounted to SFA money wise
doing more miles than ever in MY Omega ,delivering shopping, meds  etc  ;D
MPG has actually gone up slightly due to less slow cars on the road  :-X
every cloud  ;D :D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 04 April 2020, 18:30:58
I’ve been lucky, I’ve a full empty house to render and set so I can still earn and go out :y :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 04 April 2020, 18:35:13
Teenage lads these days don't know they're born.  ::)

An endless supply of porn on the net and no crusty mags under the bed for their Mum's to find.  :)

Ah yes . The joy of peeling back stuck together pages of Fiesta. Readers wives offered assistance if memory serves. ;D

Swapping porno's with your mate and then later on finding that he'd stuck the pages together...  ::)  :(  ;D

Noooooo.......I never went to these lengths.

Or the 'communal wanking' groups that some went in for........including the Beatles.

Too gay by far.
I guess you wasn't a rugby fan then, as a game of soggy biscuit is the norm after a game.


 Blimey memories of being a you'ff.   
I still struggle to watch a flake advert.
.   


She had beautiful lips the girl in that ad ,she's probably got dentures now though..😃

 
 (https://i.postimg.cc/mZCC1H5t/baf01b75b539b414f011266e8a4e68d2.jpg)
Yup, that's one to keep in the wank bank.


 Also to add, the girly doing the Tales of the unexpected, dance at the start of the show.... :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 04 April 2020, 19:22:33
I’ve been lucky, I’ve a full empty house to render and set so I can still earn and go out :y :y

It's full of emptiness?  :-\                                                          :P  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 04 April 2020, 19:53:27
I’ve been lucky, I’ve a full empty house to render and set so I can still earn and go out :y :y

It's full of emptiness?  :-\                                                          :P  ;D
it's Builder speak  for whole house to plaster , no one's home ,no obstacles like furniture   :P
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 04 April 2020, 19:55:12
I’ve been lucky, I’ve a full empty house to render and set so I can still earn and go out :y :y

It's full of emptiness?  :-\                                                          :P  ;D
it's Builder speak  for whole house to plaster , no one's home ,no obstacles like furniture   :P

Or awkward clients to hinder you? ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 04 April 2020, 20:00:46
I’ve been lucky, I’ve a full empty house to render and set so I can still earn and go out :y :y

It's full of emptiness?  :-\                                                          :P  ;D
it's Builder speak for whole house to plaster , no one's home ,no obstacles like furniture   :P

I thought he was talking Wenglish.  :)

Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 04 April 2020, 22:30:03
 No people as Dave and Liz say... heaven :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 05 April 2020, 10:42:55
No people as Dave and Liz say... heaven :y

Yes the peace and quite we are enjoying at the moment is heaven, and working on a house is so therapeutic :D :D :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 05 April 2020, 10:49:58
Im having to be very careful at the moment. Swmbo is is on a course of very strong steroids which knocks out the immune system, so if she gets it she wont stand a chance.
She is in the shielded group so cant leave the house for 12 weeks. I have to sleep in the spare room and we sit at opposite ends of the living room to each other.
I still have to go to the shops for food and her meds which is worrying but what else can you do. There may be a chance of having things delivered if she had the letter that the Govt. said they had sent to all shielded people but of course they haven't sent them to a lot of these people, but have apparently sent them to quite a lot of people who aren't on the list.
She shouldn't be in this position at all, but Essex NHS have cancelled 5 hospital appointments in 14 months. If that hadn't happened she may not have needed the steroids, or if she did she would have finished them long before Covid was heard of.
We went private a few weeks back (should have done earlier to be honest) and seen the same consultant she would have sen under the NHS. When queried he was very candid and said that the hospital involved is broken. Its systems simply don't work. Its appointment system is so unfit for purpose that he now bypasses it completely and has started dealing with his own appointments by giving patients his personal email address.
Our local GP surgery is basically closed now. The 15 admin staff for the four doctors seem to exist to protect doctors from having any contact with patients, but since Covid appeared this is now an official thing.
Its theoretically possible to have a telephone appointment with them if your very ill but still able to shout loud enough.
The surgery has a dispensary but they have decided to refuse to dispense swmbo,s meds becuase they are too expensive.
So despite the fact she is on the shielded list. I have to travel to whichever pharmacy in a 20 mile radius happens to have some in stock to collect them.
The  woman at the dispensary lied to my face on Friday and tried to tell me that they have never dispensed these meds. I told her very firmly that I personally, have collected these meds from that dispensary earlier this year.
They say they are in no way involved in the shielding letter process and can give no info or assistance in the matter.
When I told them that the Gov.uk site says people on the list will be contacted by their GP surgery, I was told that they cant do this because NHS England wont tell them what it is they are suppose to say.
In normal times it takes at least three weeks to get an appointment, but when you visit the place the waiting room is almost empty at any time of day.
A good friend of mine used to be the practice manager there, and when asked why this is the case he told me its because they spend so much time doing private work.
The nurse who lives opposite hasn't been at work for several weeks but is out and about driving around in her car, and was on her doorstep banging her saucepans together last Thursday night.
From my point of view, the NHS, through wilful neglect and institutionalised cantbearseditus, has had quite a few attempts at killing my wife over the last 20 years. Apart from the old delapidated Victorian cancer hospital (now closed down) which was superb, they have let her down at every opportunity.
You can clap, cheer and bang your saucepans if you want to, but Im afraid I wont be joining in.
I cant speak for the whole country, but the NHS in Essex is a perfect example of how not to run a healthcare system, and waste billions at the same time.
I know its now the National religion, and is supposed to be beyond anything but being worshipped, but I gave up on all religions a long time ago.
Living in "the affluent south" isn't always what its cracked up to be.

Other than that, our daughter lives in central London and has quite severe asthma. She still has to venture out occasionally for food and Meds. We are terrified at the prospect of her getting it.
Im lucky that I can still go to work as Im basically babysitting an empty building. If I cant go to work for any reason, my employer will pay me full pay until I can go back. So in a shirkers world, I suppose Im currently working for nothing. I think that if the employer is decent enough to make that commitment, I should still go to work if I can.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 05 April 2020, 11:11:34
That’s a good attitude to work and to your employer, pity it wasn’t universal :y hope things change and you get the meds for your wife.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 05 April 2020, 11:12:24
Our local surgery is a bit better than that, you can actually get physical appointments, although the attached pharmacy gets a bit creative with medication selection, so if you're after a specific brand you have to badger them.

We have lived here twenty years, and for the last fifteen Mum has had a prescription. I think it might have been filled correctly three times in that time. The surgery doctors are pretty good, and they will support the consultants and respect her choices... Anything eye related and she goes to Moorfields in London, everything else St Richards in Chichester (partly because that's where the ambulance normally takes her ::)) but they do look after her.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 05 April 2020, 11:25:42
About a year ago we actually had an appointment with our GP to talk about changing meds. She tried in vain with the help of her calculator to work out the dosage before giving up and saying she would rather leave it to the hospital consultant as it was more in his area of expertise.
I was almost embarrassed for the woman until I remembered her bare basic salary is at least £100K p.a. of taxpayers money.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 05 April 2020, 11:31:50
The GP side of the NHS has been fooked for quite a few years now. Our practice has a massive, relatively new building, with the top floor closed off and about half of the ground floor used. It has one permanent GP and various deadbeat locums turn up each day. I have no confidence in anyone or anything there but, fortunately, I don't need them.....yet.
You have my sincere sympathy, Albs. I wish there was something I/anyone could do.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 05 April 2020, 11:44:06
Not just GP,s Steve. Colchester hospital is a disaster zone. There really does seem to be a mindset among many of the staff, at all levels, that the patients are a nuisance who interfere with their day. I have witnessed quite a few horror stories in that hell hole. I wasn't in the least surprised when it made the National news a few years ago.
The tragedy is that I well remember speaking to the brilliant staff at the old Cancer hospital nearby, and them telling me that they were dreading being moved over to the newer bigger hospital. They had a real sense of foreboding that things would go badly wrong once the were merged into it.
10 years later the Hospital is on the news for fiddling its Cancer appointment time figures. Front line staff who tried to blow the whistle had their careers ruined for daring to challenge their superiors. The worst part is that no one got the sack. Imo those responsible should be behind bars and banned for life from working in healthcare.
Swmbo got her care transferred to Chelmsford where the standard of care isn't as bad, but he administrators who run it couldn't get a job picking up litter in the car park, in the private sector.
I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that the NHS is pretty good at emergency medicine, but outside of that, it needs to be scrapped and start again with a clean sheet of paper.
Its probably obvious, but after 20 years of this Im angry, and very frustrated.
Thanks btw.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 05 April 2020, 11:44:48
But please don't take the above post to mean I don't have complete admiration and gratitude to the NHS workers who are putting themselves in danger in the present crisis. Nor is it a criticism of the people who work on the front line in hospitals day in day out, under very difficult circumstances. They are heroes, I just don't have reason to come into contact with them.
The self-preserving leeches who manage the NHS are the ones who need shooting.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 05 April 2020, 11:49:46
Theres no doubt that many of them are, and they deserve a better system to work in than the one they have presently.
There are approx. 1.5 million people working for the NHS. Approx. half of those aren't medical people and don't have anything to do with patients. Plenty of empire builders hiding among that crowd.
Cut out the dead wood from all areas, see what we are left with, then move on from there.
It will never happen ,but it should.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 05 April 2020, 12:03:53
The problem as I see it and you mentioned it Albs, is that the NHS has become a national religion, and it's the sacred cow that must not be criticised.  ::)

Last week I chipped in on a thread on Twitter where the general theme was slagging off Boris for the lack of PPE available to the doctors and nurses dealing with Covid-19 patients.  I queried whether any of the highly paid senior NHS managers when they were sat at home in front of the telly, like the rest of us watching events unfold in China back in January, wondered how their hospital would cope if it came here and what actions they took if they did?  :-\

I think you can probably guess the response I got from the vast majority of the Twitteratti!  :-X  Most of whom had the #FBPE hashtag and EU flags on their profiles. Bunch of feking knobs!  >:(  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 05 April 2020, 12:10:35
It's unfortunate but as with many sectors,there are staff who clock in,do as little as possible,pass the buck ,don't care at all, clock out and take the money . :(
there are also people who genuinely care ,try their best ,even go way beyond "job descriptions" and calling in favours to try and help people, do many extra hours un-paid , struggle with limited budgets , and are constantly let down by staff who CBA.

I do hope things get better/easier  for you
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 05 April 2020, 13:58:06
Scotlands Chief medical officer has ben visited and warned by the Police after breaking her own rules by visiting her second home for a weekend family break.
Don't you just love these cretins who are in charge of things ?
https://order-order.com/2020/04/05/scottish-chief-medical-officers-weekend-break-rules/
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 05 April 2020, 13:59:44
Scotlands Chief medical officer has ben visited and warned by the Police after breaking her own rules by visiting her second home for a weekend family break.
Don't you just love these cretins who are in charge of things ?
https://order-order.com/2020/04/05/scottish-chief-medical-officers-weekend-break-rules/
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You really couldn't make it up.😠
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 05 April 2020, 14:20:40
Nothing changes really! ::) ::) ::)

One rule for the middle classes and aristocracy, another for the peasants! >:(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 05 April 2020, 14:27:35
Scotlands Chief medical officer has ben visited and warned by the Police after breaking her own rules by visiting her second home for a weekend family break.
Don't you just love these cretins who are in charge of things ?
https://order-order.com/2020/04/05/scottish-chief-medical-officers-weekend-break-rules/

The rules are only for the peasantry Albs!  :D

Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: BazaJT on 05 April 2020, 19:50:38
Not European I know but my son informs me that there are 9 states in the USA which have refused to order what they call shelter in place!!
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 05 April 2020, 19:52:04
Not European I know but my son informs me that there are 9 states in the USA which have refused to order what they call shelter in place!!
The Netherlands is also taking a different course. It will be interesting to see the final tallies with regards to different strategies.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 05 April 2020, 21:43:27
Boris has been taken to hospital. Swmbo has been saying for days that she believes he is more il than they are telling us.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 05 April 2020, 21:46:59
It seemed a bit too easy the way he and other government ministers were just recovering after a week or so. Made it look like the virus only seriously affected people with pre-existing conditions. We know that's not true.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 05 April 2020, 21:49:25
His lordship of Lincolnshireland will be proud of arch capitalist Ron Dennis.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/148916/exmclaren-chief-dennis-giving-free-meals-to-nhs-staff
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 05 April 2020, 22:18:22
Scotlands Chief medical officer has ben visited and warned by the Police after breaking her own rules by visiting her second home for a weekend family break.
Don't you just love these cretins who are in charge of things ?
https://order-order.com/2020/04/05/scottish-chief-medical-officers-weekend-break-rules/
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You really couldn't make it up.😠

The public outcry has proved too much for her so she has resigned. Despite Wee Jimmy Cranky voicing her unequivocal support.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 05 April 2020, 23:14:31
Saw her apology didn't seem sincere to me , done the best thing by resigning otherwise the saga would go on for days.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 05 April 2020, 23:17:03
Yes and she still would have resigned in the end anyway
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 06 April 2020, 06:49:51
Not corona virus Europe, but a couple of Tigers have tested positive in the US, apparently infected by their keeper. If the virus can spread to cats, this will further reduce the menu in Chinese restaurants.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 06 April 2020, 08:13:33
Not corona virus Europe, but a couple of Tigers have tested positive in the US, apparently infected by their keeper. If the virus can spread to cats, this will further reduce the menu in Chinese restaurants.

Seems very strange , have seen comments on the internet that people are dumping their pets in animal shelters as they are afraid that they can spread the virus, the shelters are disputing that fact & now Tigers have tested positive very puzzling situation.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 06 April 2020, 09:56:26
Scotlands Chief medical officer has ben visited and warned by the Police after breaking her own rules by visiting her second home for a weekend family break.
Don't you just love these cretins who are in charge of things ?
https://order-order.com/2020/04/05/scottish-chief-medical-officers-weekend-break-rules/
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You really couldn't make it up.😠

The public outcry has proved too much for her so she has resigned. Despite Wee Jimmy Cranky voicing her unequivocal support.

There's a Scottish nationalist who puts up videos on facebook under the moniker IndycarGordonRoss and in yesterday's video he was claiming that this woman was a plant by the British state to make 'Nicola' look bad!  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 06 April 2020, 10:23:16
Despite the fact that Nicola was still singing her praises this morning ! They walk among us.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 06 April 2020, 11:05:34
I don't know for sure, but I'd have thought that the Scottish government's civil service is a separate organisation to the UK government?   ??? :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 06 April 2020, 13:09:40
Indeed, it's one of their devolved functions ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 06 April 2020, 20:21:58
Boris has been taken to intensive care. That's not good.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 12 April 2020, 13:44:11
Apparently there were riots and shots fired (not by the police either) in Brussels yesterday.  :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 12 April 2020, 13:53:12
I've heard people are catching/re-activating covid 19 again ,after being cleared "cured" , not good  :(
we know so little about this, this could be a human E.L.E
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: VXL V6 on 13 April 2020, 14:13:13
I struggle to believe this will end up an ELE, I mean, what we talk about on OOF? Oh, hang on, wait a minute, that doesn't work does it!
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 13 April 2020, 14:56:45
I struggle to believe this will end up an ELE, I mean, what we talk about on OOF? Oh, hang on, wait a minute, that doesn't work does it!
Talk on OOF had Coronavirus down as "a bit of man flu, get over it" just a month or so ago  :P
interesting thing I noticed on the worldometers clicky (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/) website ....
UK "total recovered" sat at about 135 for weeks , then crept up a bit to 344 yesterday  :-\
NOW the figure has been changed to "N/A"
I did wonder if the UK government where non committal on this
guess i was right  ;D
not that ANY of the UK statistics mean diddly squat ,because they have been massively under-reported due to only using "in hospital" cases and not testing an equatable group , then ramping up testing , so who knows how bad the UK really is  :-\
my guess (and that's all anyone can do with crap data collection) is ,it's a LOT worse than we think /are told to believe

sorry to be a "Doom Merchant"  :(
though I know many on here will think of other names to call me  ;D :D





 
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: amba on 13 April 2020, 15:59:24
Cant say I disagree with that Dave,as daughter keeps telling us the fatalities at her place of work are considerably higher than is being reported .No thats either through human error or some "other reason"
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 April 2020, 16:10:33
Presumably not everyone is dying from Batflu...
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: amba on 13 April 2020, 16:24:54
Serious burns from BBQ,s seem to be the injury of choice this weekend at A&E...non fatal though !!
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 13 April 2020, 16:33:40
Presumably not everyone is dying from Batflu...
millions of people die all the time ,I agree  ;)
a quick google says cancer kills 450 a day in UK (2015-2017 statistics)
that is less than current covid 19 cases inaccurately "reported "  :-X
cancer is another disease that we don't know enough about ,despite it being known about for decades and masses of research  :(
covid 19 has been about 3 months ...
IF you can be re-infected with Covid 19  :-\ or it lays dormant and comes back so fast after being given the "all clear"
WHO knows what will happen , (not the W.H.O world health organisation )  :P
autopsies show it coats your lungs with a layer , so multiple bouts of Covid 19 could suffocate even the most previously healthy person

Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Andy B on 14 April 2020, 08:38:34
....
not that ANY of the UK statistics mean diddly squat ,because they have been massively under-reported due to only using "in hospital" cases and not testing an equatable group , ...
That question was asked yesterday at the daily briefing. Answer given was that other countries are only reporting hospital deaths so we are comparing like with like .....  :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 14 April 2020, 11:43:59
....
not that ANY of the UK statistics mean diddly squat ,because they have been massively under-reported due to only using "in hospital" cases and not testing an equatable group , ...
That question was asked yesterday at the daily briefing. Answer given was that other countries are only reporting hospital deaths so we are comparing like with like .....  :-\ :-\
I'm NOT arguing with you sir BUT...
that's like saying we are counting who shops at tesco , it doesn't tell us how many people are out shopping altogether .
how many are dying in care homes,at home,hospices,etc etc

surely in this day and age with all the technology , we can count  ;D

Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 14 April 2020, 11:48:52
It takes time to records deaths at the best of times... Factor in the fact that most agencies are running skeleton staffing and you can begin to understand the problem...

Also recording the cause of unexpected death usually requires an autopsy... See above... Testing and confirming results all takes time under normal circumstances.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 14 April 2020, 12:08:29
Obviously the powers that be  are monitoring my posts closely  ;D :D
on the telly box now they are releasing "death in care homes figures etc " 
90.2% in hospital (up to 2nd April)
406 died elsewhere
136 died at home
33 in hospices
217 in care homes
20 "elsewhere"
with time-lag in reporting

Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 14 April 2020, 12:14:55
If they're monitoring your posts on OOF, then you clearly have bigger things to worry about than Batflu :D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Andy B on 14 April 2020, 12:19:48
....
not that ANY of the UK statistics mean diddly squat ,because they have been massively under-reported due to only using "in hospital" cases and not testing an equatable group , ...
That question was asked yesterday at the daily briefing. Answer given was that other countries are only reporting hospital deaths so we are comparing like with like .....  :-\ :-\
I'm NOT arguing with you sir BUT...
that's like saying we are counting who shops at tesco , it doesn't tell us how many people are out shopping altogether .
how many are dying in care homes,at home,hospices,etc etc

surely in this day and age with all the technology , we can count  ;D

Just saying what was said ....  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 14 April 2020, 12:21:01
If they're monitoring your posts on OOF, then you clearly have bigger things to worry about than Batflu :D
;D
Indeed I do
I have to go shopping  :o   :(  ;D
wish me luck  :P
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Andy B on 14 April 2020, 12:22:21
Obviously the powers that be  are monitoring my posts closely  ;D :D
on the telly box now they are releasing "death in care homes figures etc " 
90.2% in hospital (up to 2nd April)
406 died elsewhere
136 died at home
33 in hospices
217 in care homes
20 "elsewhere"
with time-lag in reporting

Chris Whitty did say the ONS had other figures  :y :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Andy B on 16 April 2020, 17:55:06

Pa! Another 3 weeks 'lock down' .....  :-\ Oh well! .....

 ... and on the whole things haven't changed that much for me (all of us are 'key' workers) but I want to go out for a pint/meal/day trip out somewhere  :(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 16 April 2020, 18:06:28
Yes. But I noticed the local dog groomers was open when I passed today, along with a few others that have been closed. Apparently the local councils are now allowed to give permission to open, provided the set of rules issued are followed.  :-X

There is no way this particular groomers could possibly follow those rules  :-X
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 16 April 2020, 18:09:43
I also noticed that, especially this afternoon, there were lots more people about....lots more. And not a policeman to be seen. Sounds to me like the lockdown is being eased.....but not officially.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 16 April 2020, 18:18:19
Notice on our local area news website yesterday advised that the Police have noticed an increase in vehicles using our bypass (A16) so will be stopping and questioning if it is an essential journey being made. Be interesting to see where these Police appear from.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 16 April 2020, 18:22:45
I also noticed that, especially this afternoon, there were lots more people about....lots more. And not a policeman to be seen. Sounds to me like the lockdown is being eased.....but not officially.


 Whilst about my business today, the M25 seemed busy'er lots of families,, going were??
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 April 2020, 18:56:01
Vehicle use has almost doubled over the last three days  :-X
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 April 2020, 19:03:09
Why are journalists so oppsing stupid...

Dominic Raab, "The lock down will remain in place for at least three more weeks."

Laura Iamaretard Kuntzenberg, "Can you give the British public an idea of how long this is likely to go on for?"

I ask you...  >:(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Andy B on 16 April 2020, 19:05:11
Why are journalists so oppsing stupid...

Dominic Raab, "The lock down will remain in place for at least three more weeks."

Laura Iamaretard Kuntzenberg, "Can you give the British public an idea of how long this is likely to go on for?"

I ask you...  >:(

Not just her .... they all asked bl**dy stupid questions  ??? ???
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: TheBoy on 16 April 2020, 19:08:46
Laura Iamaretard Kuntzenberg, "Can you give the British public an idea of how long this is likely to go on for?"
I can't believe she is stupid.  Lazy, yes.  But I think its an indication of the audience the BBC are aiming for when they think "this is what the British public want answered".  ie, the thick, trailer trash, Knobenders watching, waste of space part of society.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 16 April 2020, 19:12:04
Laura Iamaretard Kuntzenberg, "Can you give the British public an idea of how long this is likely to go on for?"
I can't believe she is stupid.  Lazy, yes.  But I think its an indication of the audience the BBC are aiming for when they think "this is what the British public want answered".  ie, the thick, trailer trash, Knobenders watching, waste of space part of society.
Most of it, then.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 April 2020, 19:14:33
Laura Iamaretard Kuntzenberg, "Can you give the British public an idea of how long this is likely to go on for?"
I can't believe she is stupid.  Lazy, yes.  But I think its an indication of the audience the BBC are aiming for when they think "this is what the British public want answered".  ie, the thick, trailer trash, Knobenders watching, waste of space part of society.
She must be, because that was genuinely the first question after the briefing today.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 16 April 2020, 19:24:35
We usually watch the daily press conference by the Governor of New York state. Our lot could learn a hell of  lot from this fella on how to conduct themselves in front of the media.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: ronnyd on 16 April 2020, 19:27:33
What gets me is when they ask a question that is so loaded, that the answer that fits with their thinking is spouted within the actual question as well. Hope that makes sense.  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 16 April 2020, 19:28:05
What gets me is when they ask a question that is so loaded, that the answer that fits with their thinking is spouted within the actual question as well. Hope that makes sense.  ;D
Nope. Total gibberish.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 16 April 2020, 20:01:39
Notice on our local area news website yesterday advised that the Police have noticed an increase in vehicles using our bypass (A16) so will be stopping and questioning if it is an essential journey being made. Be interesting to see where these Police appear from.
They'll be wasting their time:

(https://i.ibb.co/bmwZMB6/E2-F1534-D-8-C79-41-A8-99-B0-A6-B8-C8-B71-DF9.png) (https://ibb.co/7CM5dWS)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 16 April 2020, 20:24:55
I noticed loads of cars out today too ,much more than has been
even if people do get stopped by police , what's stopping them telling porkies
it's not like the police have time to investigate
people walking past in groups late at night too ,after 10 pm , so ,no reason i can think of
police did disperse a street party near me a few nights back,with a fire pit in the middle of the road  :(

the idiots breaking lockdown should catch it and die, but sods law,they just infect someone innocent who's stopped in  >:(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 16 April 2020, 20:53:02
I agree Dai, that’s the way it goes those who try seem to have worse luck than the idiots.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: TheBoy on 17 April 2020, 09:20:13
Laura Iamaretard Kuntzenberg, "Can you give the British public an idea of how long this is likely to go on for?"
I can't believe she is stupid.  Lazy, yes.  But I think its an indication of the audience the BBC are aiming for when they think "this is what the British public want answered".  ie, the thick, trailer trash, Knobenders watching, waste of space part of society.
She must be, because that was genuinely the first question after the briefing today.
As said, lazy journalism. She will ask the very same question every single day.  But under the guise of "its what the country wants to know".

Only stupid people want to know that answer, because anyone with an IQ above 1 knows its not possible at this stage to determine that.  So by definition, they are aiming their journalism at those who are too stupid to spell their name. The drains on society.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: TheBoy on 17 April 2020, 09:25:31
We usually watch the daily press conference by the Governor of New York state. Our lot could learn a hell of  lot from this fella on how to conduct themselves in front of the media.
The media here is all powerful. The way we ingest current affairs is by mainstream media, and for the last 25-30 years (really, since the Diana split and then Blair really nailed it), its soundbite politics. A single sentence/phrase.  And that's all the mainstream media will headline/broadcast. The only other way we ingest current affairs is via that cancer to society known as social media, and don't expect their to be much truth there, but the public will believe it.

Because, as I keep repeating over the years, the British population is incredible thick, and we are long past that tipping point of the thick outnumbering what was once normal people.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 17 April 2020, 10:54:40
Currently the only 'news' I watch is the daily briefing.

Keeing an eye on the aviation industry in general, but particularly Norwegian and EasyJet as they directly impact my employment.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 17 April 2020, 11:12:38
We don't watch any of it ,now simply got fed up with the stupid questions being asked day in & day out , especially ones about lockdown ending , as the Carpenters once sang "We've only just begun" 😃😀😄
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 17 April 2020, 11:13:49
Norman 'Bites yer legs' Hunter is the latest casualty.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: BazaJT on 17 April 2020, 21:34:08
According to a scientist/doctor there will be at least a second wave to this if not more. :-X
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 17 April 2020, 21:48:53
According to a scientist/doctor there will be at least a second wave to this if not more. :-X

Just when you thought it was safe to go in the supermarket.........CORONAVIRUS II......THE VIRUS STRIKES BACK!  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 17 April 2020, 21:51:20
It’s not just corona virus it’s m&s virus too
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 17 April 2020, 21:53:43
According to a scientist/doctor there will be at least a second wave to this if not more. :-X
According to another scientist, it will take around eight waves before we get anywhere near herd immunity. That's if there's anyone left. 20 people ain't much of a herd. ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 17 April 2020, 22:14:40
According to a scientist/doctor there will be at least a second wave to this if not more. :-X

Just when you thought it was safe to go in the supermarket.........CORONAVIRUS II......THE VIRUS STRIKES BACK!  ;D

by Coronavirus VII audience numbers will be right down  :(

they will probably have to film it in Barnsley and spread the virus to your area too
Stay safe Uncle Stemo  ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 17 April 2020, 22:19:47
According to a scientist/doctor there will be at least a second wave to this if not more. :-X
According to another scientist, it will take around eight waves before we get anywhere near herd immunity. That's if there's anyone left. 20 people hermits ain't much of a herd. ;D

FTFY Uncle STEMO!  :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Entwood on 17 April 2020, 22:46:56
Despite all the doom and gloom and stupid questions/comments from the "Media" ... whose job used to be to inform us .. not to speculate and blame "The Government" for every single thing ... there are a couple of salient facts that should be remembered ...

1. The vast majority of those infected recover - 79%

2. The vast majority of those that, unfortunately, succumb, (21%) are elderly (91%) and many would die in the next few years anyway (horrible to say, but never the less .. true)

Every death is a tragedy for the families involved.. but pre-covid 1600 people A DAY died in the UK (thats around 48000 a month) .. and every single one of those was also a tragedy for the families involved.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-cases/

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/monthlyfiguresondeathsregisteredbyareaofusualresidence

The "media hype" and its reliance on sound bites seems to have thrown any idea of perspective out of the window, just so long as they can demand that "The Government" can magic solutions, PPE, "exit strategies" and "clarity" etc out of the air ... the fact that EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD is also grabbing all the PPE they can get hold of matters not .... "The Government" are supposed to perform miracles .. because Laura the idiot whants to be seen to asking another stupid question
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 17 April 2020, 22:50:09
I got accused of playing down the scale of the issue when I pointed that out in January...  ;D

Rods predictions are still vastly exaggerated over the reality of the situation...
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 17 April 2020, 22:51:36
Despite all the doom and gloom and stupid questions/comments from the "Media" ... whose job used to be to inform us .. not to speculate and blame "The Government" for every single thing ... there are a couple of salient facts that should be remembered ...

1. The vast majority of those infected recover - 79%

2. The vast majority of those that, unfortunately, succumb, (21%) are elderly (91%) and many would die in the next few years anyway (horrible to say, but never the less .. true)

Every death is a tragedy for the families involved.. but pre-covid 1600 people A DAY died in the UK (thats around 48000 a month) .. and every single one of those was also a tragedy for the families involved.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-cases/

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/monthlyfiguresondeathsregisteredbyareaofusualresidence

The "media hype" and its reliance on sound bites seems to have thrown any idea of perspective out of the window, just so long as they can demand that "The Government" can magic solutions, PPE, "exit strategies" and "clarity" etc out of the air ... the fact that EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD is also grabbing all the PPE they can get hold of matters not .... "The Government" are supposed to perform miracles .. because Laura the idiot whants to be seen to asking another stupid question
Yep. And let's face it, if it wasn't coronavirus, it would be something else. The human race, in it's desire to be "bigger, better, richer" is bound to overstep the mark sooner or later.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 17 April 2020, 22:52:19
I got accused of playing down the scale of the issue when I pointed that out in January...  ;D

Rods predictions are still vastly exaggerated over the reality of the situation...
Did you, Donald? We're all very sorry  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Entwood on 17 April 2020, 23:00:19
Reading the figures on that web site  more closely ...

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-cases/

Things are actually somewhat different to the numbers I put up a couple of  posts up .. the percentages are for those case "with an outcome" so far .. ie recovered or died...

and are based on just 721,527 cases . There are another  1,511,100 infected folks of which, at present 1,454,901 or 96% only have "mild" symptoms...

It would appear that the mortality rate is running at a "real" rate of around 3% .......   still nasty .. but not an "extinction level event" by any means
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 17 April 2020, 23:01:12
18/4 3.28M?
21/4 6.56M?
24/4 13.12M?
27/4 26.24M?
30/4 40M? 60%
;D

Not even the global numbers have hit anything like this  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 17 April 2020, 23:02:07
https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237142891077697538?s=19

I'm honestly getting a little tired of the constant stream (here and elsewhere) of WE ARE ALL DOOMED TO DIE - if we are all that doomed, might as well just hang ourselves now and save the NHS the trouble of having us coughing up blood on a hallway floor, right?

Or, I guess, Al's suggestion. I quite like beans on toast. Going to have to buy a lot of bread, though, and freeze it.. which is exactly what one lady was doing in Morrisons last night - she had a trolley full of bread..

Outside of the mainstream media histeria bubble I think anybody is anymore than concerned. 80% of confirmed cases are mild, 15% severe & 5% critical. 50% of the critical ones die. The Chinese statistics are in the article below:

https://theanaesthesia.blog/2020/03/09/the-uk-covid-19-epidemic-time-to-plan-and-time-to-act/#comments (https://theanaesthesia.blog/2020/03/09/the-uk-covid-19-epidemic-time-to-plan-and-time-to-act/#comments)

What is clear is that Italian hospitals have been overwhelmed & they have double the number of critical care ICU beds compared to the UK where we have the lowest in Europe. In Italy if you have any of the chronic conditions on the list, you will not get any ICU, the same will apply in the UK in 7-21 days when cases are 10,000+. :o :(

All countries have made the same mistake as China in not clamping down fast enough so R0 > 1 & it will keep spreading until isolation makes R0 < 1, like is now occurring in China.

Statistics are just numbers until it is you, family or friends dying & at that point the statistics become very personal. Again looking a China mass isolation to the epidemic under control takes about 3 months. So we will hopefully be over the worst by July-August time.

What nobody is discussing is the economic impact as that will affect everybody in the world, where it is going to cause a global recession. As an example Chinese y-o-y industrial output is 17.2% down in 3 months where the UK in 2008 had an 8% drop in GDP over 12 months. So expect this to be worse than then. Europe & the Eurozone is in a particularly bad place here as the article below explains & traitors May & Hammond have committed the UK to up to about £1tn of potential EU liabilities, which won't be paid back in our lifetimes even with much higher taxes:

https://gnseconomics.com/en_US/2020/02/10/the-stages-of-the-collapse/ (https://gnseconomics.com/en_US/2020/02/10/the-stages-of-the-collapse/)
I'm going to remember that.
And, if it turns out to be right, I'm going to re-quote and alter it  ;D
::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 17 April 2020, 23:25:52
Talking of Rods, he's been quiet recently?  ???  :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: ronnyd on 17 April 2020, 23:34:47
Perhaps the poor beggars got it. :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 17 April 2020, 23:43:32
Nah he’ll never catch on🤭
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 18 April 2020, 01:20:35
Perhaps the poor beggars got it. :-\

He was last on here 11th April.  :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 18 April 2020, 11:26:12
Perhaps the poor beggars got it. :-\

He was last on here 11th April.  :-\
I an't get WIFI in my underground bunker either

I do hope he's OK
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: ronnyd on 18 April 2020, 12:46:29
Perhaps he's in lock down in the Ukraine, as i believe his wife is from that neck of the woods. :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 18 April 2020, 13:05:53
Perhaps he's in lock down in the Ukraine, as i believe his wife is from that neck of the woods. :-\

Ah yes maybe Putin got him at last!  :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 April 2020, 13:19:21
Perhaps he's in lock down in the Ukraine, as i believe his wife is from that neck of the woods. :-\

Ah yes maybe Putin got him at last!  :)
Well, he's certainly getting warmer...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ukraine-flames-chernobyl-wildfire-highlights-dangerous-tradition-n1186036
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 April 2020, 13:22:21
On a positive note, all 11 people in Greenland have survived Batflu :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 18 April 2020, 22:29:39
On a positive note, all 11 people in Greenland have survived the first bout of Batflu :y
FTFY DG  ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 April 2020, 22:37:53
I would say that they're safe, they've all had it and survived so there's no one to recatch it from :D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 18 April 2020, 22:45:26
Yet ! there going to import toilet roll,pot noodles,tin tomato etc etc because they don't grow in Greenland  ;D :D
with stuff ,comes people and disease  :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 19 April 2020, 11:55:37
Another kick in the balls for those that catch the virus:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/18/health/kidney-dialysis-coronavirus.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 19 April 2020, 13:11:01
And it turns out that the worst thing you can do for someone with covid is put them on a ventilator. Around 80% of those who have been ventilated have died.
Keeping them conscious with an oxygen mask provides the best treatment.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Entwood on 19 April 2020, 13:49:12
And it turns out that the worst thing you can do for someone with covid is put them on a ventilator. Around 80% of those who have been ventilated have died.
Keeping them conscious with an oxygen mask provides the best treatment.

Is that not an example of a) Stupid use of statisitics, b) a "self fulfilling" prophesy ??

If you are that ill that you cannot breathe for yourself, which is why someone is put on a ventilator, the chances of survival are slim in any case, as without the ventilator you will not breathe and you will die. The fact that 20% of those who cannot breathe recover when ventilated is a SUCCESS .. not some failure.

If you cannot breathe for yourself an oxygen mask will achieve the square root of opps-all.... you will die

Very similar misguided use of "data" is presently being forced down our throats regarding nursing homes ...

Known facts -

1) This virus attacks the old and the vulnerable in great numbers .. 91% of the fatalities are aged over 60

2) The population of nursing/care homes is mainly the old and infirm .. thats why they need nursing and care !

3) Many nursing home residents with underlying conditions have signed "Do Not Resuscitate" orders ... so if they get taken ill they are not taken to hospital but are allowed to pass with dignity.

Taking those simple facts, it is not at all surprising that elderly, infirm folk in nursing/care homes are passing ... but for some reason it is now "The Governments' Fault"

All this "data" seems to have robbed the world of the ability to think and use any form of logic whatsoever.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 19 April 2020, 14:51:45
Agree totally!  :y :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 19 April 2020, 15:22:02
To clarify - Covid patients aren't the position where they cant breathe for themselves. The problem is the oxygen getting from the lungs out to the vital organs. Covid causes a yellow mucus substance to coat the inside of the lungs and slows the release of oxygen from the lungs into the body.
To sedate the patient and then force lots of oxygen into the lungs just wrecks the lungs.
Better to keep them conscious and give them a low pressure supply of oxygen* to assist the process until they start to recover.
A NYC doctor has made a video about this which is on YouTube if anyone wants to take a look at it.
So nothing to do with data or statistics, apart from the fact that he got very curious about why most patients died once put on a ventilator and decided to give it a lot of thought in order to find out why this was so.
* This can be provided by a ventilator, but a ventilator is usually used under higher pressure . Much easier to just use an oxygen mask.
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/928156?scr=soc_yt_200311_mscpedt_news_mdspc_COVIDJOHN&faf=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rZFz7V1Hwk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Elgct0nOcKY


Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 19 April 2020, 15:36:15
With all due respect for this doctor, I think it needs a lot more research, papers written by other top medical professionals, and general agreement or not before this suggestion is taken seriously.

With senior doctors, surgeons, and professors in their field across the World currently supporting the use of ventilators nothing can change.

The fact is many patients ARE surviving the virus, as Entwood made clear, after being placed on one of these machines and given the care that is the current practice in the developed World. ;)

I'll personally await the reports from the medical profession. Too much mis-information is being fed across the media and internet! :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 19 April 2020, 15:50:10
The Governor of New York state holds a press conference every day, and every day he tells the media that 80% of patients who are treated by intubated ventilation don't recover.
Boris Johnson was treated with low pressure oxygen through a mask rather than a ventilator and recovered quickly, as do many other people.
There was a lot of headless chicken syndrome among Govts. and the medical profession when this virus came out of China (probably understandably so) and I think you will find that in the very near future ventilators will drop out of treatment for Covid once they have had a chance to catch their breath and have time to investigate the issue further.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/18/cuomo-says-coronavirus-deaths-intubations-are-down/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ventilators-covid-overuse-1.5534097

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/04/08/coronavirus-cases-ventilators-covid-19/2950167001/

https://www.livescience.com/too-much-ventilator-use-for-covid19-coronavirus-patients.html


Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 19 April 2020, 15:52:10
Watched the two bottom videos  they were very good👍
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Entwood on 19 April 2020, 17:28:37
And now the latest piece of "data stupidity"  .....

"News" headlines are full of the "fact" that there is a shortage of PPE .. and that the delivery from Turkey is delayed (but they don't tell us why ......) ...so ...

The NEU now "demand" PPE for teachers ....   https://www.tes.com/news/coronavirus-teacher-protection-matter-urgency

Now I "thought" a teacher "might" have a functioning brain cell .. but it appears not .... the "new logic" appears to be ...

when we know we are desperately short of something, demand it be given to more people

just what has happened to "common sense"  ?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 19 April 2020, 17:33:45
There was an article on the net around 7-10 days ago that a warehouse that was storing PPE had been broken into and that the  PPE stocks had been stolen, how very convenient that seemed  to me, check eBay out perhaps..😄
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 19 April 2020, 17:47:39
PPE  ::) what's the problem :-\  there's loads of steel toe-caps, ear defenders,knee pads, boiler suits ,hard hats on ebay   ;D :D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 19 April 2020, 17:52:32
 :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 19 April 2020, 17:53:58
To clarify - Covid patients aren't the position where they cant breathe for themselves. The problem is the oxygen getting from the lungs out to the vital organs. Covid causes a yellow mucus substance to coat the inside of the lungs and slows the release of oxygen from the lungs into the body.
To sedate the patient and then force lots of oxygen into the lungs just wrecks the lungs.
Better to keep them conscious and give them a low pressure supply of oxygen* to assist the process until they start to recover.
A NYC doctor has made a video about this which is on YouTube if anyone wants to take a look at it.
So nothing to do with data or statistics, apart from the fact that he got very curious about why most patients died once put on a ventilator and decided to give it a lot of thought in order to find out why this was so.
* This can be provided by a ventilator, but a ventilator is usually used under higher pressure . Much easier to just use an oxygen mask.
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/928156?scr=soc_yt_200311_mscpedt_news_mdspc_COVIDJOHN&faf=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rZFz7V1Hwk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Elgct0nOcKY
Very interesting and thought provoking, Albs.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 19 April 2020, 18:04:01
And now the latest piece of "data stupidity"  .....

"News" headlines are full of the "fact" that there is a shortage of PPE .. and that the delivery from Turkey is delayed (but they don't tell us why ......) ...so ...

The NEU now "demand" PPE for teachers ....   https://www.tes.com/news/coronavirus-teacher-protection-matter-urgency

Now I "thought" a teacher "might" have a functioning brain cell .. but it appears not .... the "new logic" appears to be ...

when we know we are desperately short of something, demand it be given to more people

just what has happened to "common sense"  ?

I didn't read anything a teacher said in that, just the head of an academy chain. Get your facts right before jumping on the high horse.
Further to that, teachers are not doctors or nurses and, if push comes to shove, they just won't work without PPE if it's deemed necessary.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 19 April 2020, 18:06:01
Everyone working key jobs with people, where contact is likely or contamination from covid 19 is likely  ...
NHS, care workers,cleaners ,shop staff,chemists, and TEACHERS etc etc should have PPE
the fact that there is a shortage of PPE should not exclude people deserving it's protection
why should a teacher risk death to do their job  :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 19 April 2020, 18:08:18
Everyone working key jobs with people, where contact is likely or contamination from covid 19 is likely  ...
NHS, care workers,cleaners ,shop staff,chemists, and TEACHERS etc etc should have PPE
the fact that there is a shortage of PPE should not exclude people deserving it's protection
why should a teacher risk death to do their job  :-\
Doctors and nurses do it to save lives, teachers aren't going to do it so that people can go back to work to save the economy. F**k the economy.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 19 April 2020, 18:18:13
Everyone working key jobs with people, where contact is likely or contamination from covid 19 is likely  ...
NHS, care workers,cleaners ,shop staff,chemists, and TEACHERS etc etc should have PPE
the fact that there is a shortage of PPE should not exclude people deserving it's protection
why should a teacher risk death to do their job  :-\
Doctors and nurses do it to save lives, teachers aren't going to do it so that people can go back to work to save the economy. F**k the economy.
I agree Uncle Stemo  :y
BUT , isn't your good lady and other teachers ,risking herself and others by looking after key workers children ,who could have covid 19 unless adequate PPE is supplied
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 19 April 2020, 18:30:57
Everyone working key jobs with people, where contact is likely or contamination from covid 19 is likely  ...
NHS, care workers,cleaners ,shop staff,chemists, and TEACHERS etc etc should have PPE
the fact that there is a shortage of PPE should not exclude people deserving it's protection
why should a teacher risk death to do their job  :-\
Doctors and nurses do it to save lives, teachers aren't going to do it so that people can go back to work to save the economy. F**k the economy.
I agree Uncle Stemo  :y
BUT , isn't your good lady and other teachers ,risking herself and others by looking after key workers children ,who could have covid 19 unless adequate PPE is supplied
At the moment there are so few children that only a handful of staff are required and social distancing is not a problem. There is no way to work safely with a class of 35 snotty kids, shoving their fingers up their arses and then up their nose, PPE or not.
The whole idea, as I read it, was to get kids back to the happy normality of school life. It won't look very normal if their teachers all wear masks and goggles and run like f**k if one of them sneezes.  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Entwood on 19 April 2020, 19:24:11
And now the latest piece of "data stupidity"  .....

"News" headlines are full of the "fact" that there is a shortage of PPE .. and that the delivery from Turkey is delayed (but they don't tell us why ......) ...so ...

The NEU now "demand" PPE for teachers ....   https://www.tes.com/news/coronavirus-teacher-protection-matter-urgency

Now I "thought" a teacher "might" have a functioning brain cell .. but it appears not .... the "new logic" appears to be ...

when we know we are desperately short of something, demand it be given to more people

just what has happened to "common sense"  ?

I didn't read anything a teacher said in that, just the head of an academy chain. Get your facts right before jumping on the high horse.
Further to that, teachers are not doctors or nurses and, if push comes to shove, they just won't work without PPE if it's deemed necessary.

You didn't read much then .. it is a direct quote from Sir John Townsley,    if you actually take note ..   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Townsley  has been "teaching" since 1987 .... to me, that makes him a "teacher" ... especially as he is then described as a "deputy head teacher" ... followed by "Head teacher"

facts checked ......   accuracy 100% .... no high horse needed ...
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 19 April 2020, 19:39:47
He's no more a teacher than Gavin Williamson. He might have once been a teacher, but he isn't now, he's the CEO of a trust.......and I'm surprised he's not taking the kings shilling, as most of them do.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 19 April 2020, 19:41:55
But.......as I said, the teachers I know won't be putting themselves in unnecessary danger, PPE or not. Why should they be the ones who go back first, so we can see if there is a rise in cases, or not?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 19 April 2020, 19:44:02
And as for your offensive remark about a functioning brain cell.....what did you get a degree in? Or is university just a series of tick box answers now?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Andy B on 19 April 2020, 20:23:07
my daughter is an ICU nurse and she says they have plenty of PPE  :y :y

Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Andy B on 19 April 2020, 20:26:35
Everyone working key jobs with people, where contact is likely or contamination from covid 19 is likely  ...
NHS, care workers,cleaners ,shop staff,chemists, and TEACHERS etc etc should have PPE
the fact that there is a shortage of PPE should not exclude people deserving it's protection
why should a teacher risk death to do their job  :-\

SWMBO works at ASDA on the tills & isn't allowed to wear a mask. They have access to some gloves though I provided her with some to start with.

My work has a reasonable supply of PPE but only get a mask if it's a 2 man task that requires close proximity working
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 19 April 2020, 20:31:19
Everyone working key jobs with people, where contact is likely or contamination from covid 19 is likely  ...
NHS, care workers,cleaners ,shop staff,chemists, and TEACHERS etc etc should have PPE
the fact that there is a shortage of PPE should not exclude people deserving it's protection
why should a teacher risk death to do their job  :-\

SWMBO works at ASDA on the tills & isn't allowed to wear a mask. They have access to some gloves though I provided her with some to start with.

My work has a reasonable supply of PPE but only get a mask if it's a 2 man task that requires close proximity working
trouble is you can't sue your former employer for not providing PPE when your dead  :(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 19 April 2020, 20:34:45
Got a mate who works for Wilkos, he walked out about 10 days ago when they said he couldn't wear a mask. They rang him yesterday and asked him to come back. He could wear a mask but he'd have to bring it with him.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 19 April 2020, 20:55:29
Got a mate who works for Wilkos, he walked out about 10 days ago when they said he couldn't wear a mask. They rang him yesterday and asked him to come back. He could wear a mask but he'd have to bring it with him.
I guess all the other staff are off sick with coughs  ::)
it's a disgrace not letting people wear masks if they want too
and should be supplied by your employer if you request it
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 19 April 2020, 21:53:27
Everyone working key jobs with people, where contact is likely or contamination from covid 19 is likely  ...
NHS, care workers,cleaners ,shop staff,chemists, and TEACHERS etc etc should have PPE
the fact that there is a shortage of PPE should not exclude people deserving it's protection
why should a teacher risk death to do their job  :-\

SWMBO works at ASDA on the tills & isn't allowed to wear a mask. They have access to some gloves though I provided her with some to start with.

My work has a reasonable supply of PPE but only get a mask if it's a 2 man task that requires close proximity working
trouble is you can't sue your former employer for not providing PPE when your dead  :(
Don’t worry, they have a perfectly good life insurance policy on all their employees so that they aren't left out of pocket when you succumb to Batflu  ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: JoSheppard on 22 April 2020, 08:11:50
After two night in intensive care, it seems he is responding well to treatment.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 25 April 2020, 15:41:51
Another 781 deaths in hospital in the UK today. Doesn't seem to be dropping at all.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 25 April 2020, 16:27:46
20,319 deaths in the Uk so far by worldometers figures (which is not a true reflection ),
I think we can say double that figure if you include death elsewhere (outside hospital) so 40,000
March 5 2020 UK cases reached 90, as the first patient died in the UK
so 7 weeks 2 days later
follow the same curve down by mirroring (which is optimistic  :-\)
by mid June that would put 40,638 deaths if we are "lucky"  :(
realistically 80,000 true (in and out of hospital deaths)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 25 April 2020, 16:52:05
Another 781 deaths in hospital in the UK today. Doesn't seem to be dropping at all.
Been upped to 813.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 25 April 2020, 17:09:37
Another 781 deaths in hospital in the UK today. Doesn't seem to be dropping at all.
Been upped to 813.

Yet it seems that lockdown fatigue has well and truly set in, which is exactly what they said would happen and is why they held off with the lockdown until the hysteria became deafening.  :-X   ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 25 April 2020, 17:14:31
Another 781 deaths in hospital in the UK today. Doesn't seem to be dropping at all.
Been upped to 813.

Yet it seems that lockdown fatigue has well and truly set in, which is exactly what they said would happen and is why they held off with the lockdown until the hysteria became deafening.  :-X   ::)
Just been reading about New York City. People are trying to stick to the lockdown but things are getting pretty tense. When you look at the figures there, they are truly frightening and people are getting very tetchy (and very skint). We are a social race and this is not natural. Of course, there are those who are less capable of coping than others. If I was old (shut up, Opti) and living alone, I think I might have given up by now. If I was very young and living on my own, I think I would probably just go out.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 25 April 2020, 17:23:00
Loads of unrest in Europe but we’re not being told anything about it by BBC Sky etc
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 25 April 2020, 18:09:33
Loads of unrest in Europe but we’re not being told anything about it by BBC Sky etc

Indeed.  The French as usual are protesting again in yellow vests:
https://www.france24.com/en/20200314-french-yellow-vests-defy-coronavirus-measures-to-demonstrate-in-paris-on-eve-of-elections

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/paris-suburbs-protests-villeneuve-la-garenne/2020/04/25/55f5a40c-85a1-11ea-81a3-9690c9881111_story.html

I love the French.  They are the skilled protesters / revolutionaries of Europe.  THey take no shit!! ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 25 April 2020, 18:21:28
Another 781 deaths in hospital in the UK today. Doesn't seem to be dropping at all.
Been upped to 813.

Yet it seems that lockdown fatigue has well and truly set in, which is exactly what they said would happen and is why they held off with the lockdown until the hysteria became deafening.  :-X   ::)
Just been reading about New York City. People are trying to stick to the lockdown but things are getting pretty tense. When you look at the figures there, they are truly frightening and people are getting very tetchy (and very skint). We are a social race and this is not natural. Of course, there are those who are less capable of coping than others. If I was old (shut up, Opti) and living alone, I think I might have given up by now. If I was very young and living on my own, I think I would probably just go out.

No need for TB's cull. This virus is nature weeding out the old and infirm. I will miss you though. :) :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 25 April 2020, 19:05:40
Loads of unrest in Europe but we’re not being told anything about it by BBC Sky etc

Indeed.  The French as usual are protesting again in yellow vests:
https://www.france24.com/en/20200314-french-yellow-vests-defy-coronavirus-measures-to-demonstrate-in-paris-on-eve-of-elections

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/paris-suburbs-protests-villeneuve-la-garenne/2020/04/25/55f5a40c-85a1-11ea-81a3-9690c9881111_story.html

I loathe the French.  They are the laziest, over entitled, ignorant nation of communists in Europe.  THey are a complete waste of fresh air and skin  ;D ;D ;D ;)


Couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 25 April 2020, 19:07:34
Loads of unrest in Europe but we’re not being told anything about it by BBC Sky etc

Indeed.  The French as usual are protesting again in yellow vests:
https://www.france24.com/en/20200314-french-yellow-vests-defy-coronavirus-measures-to-demonstrate-in-paris-on-eve-of-elections

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/paris-suburbs-protests-villeneuve-la-garenne/2020/04/25/55f5a40c-85a1-11ea-81a3-9690c9881111_story.html

I love the French.  They are the laziest, entitled, ignorant nation of communists in Europe.  THey are a complete waste of fresh air and skin  ;D ;D ;D ;)

Fixed.
You quite like their cars, though.  :-*
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 25 April 2020, 19:08:53
Fickin don't. Just happened to find one cheap that does 60mpg.
You spoilt my latest edit btw.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 25 April 2020, 19:10:43
Fickin don't. Just happened to find one cheap that does 60mpg.
You spoilt my latest edit btw.
No, you spoiled it all on your own.  ;D
Type after the last quote, not the one before  :P


Ahhhh....I see....serves you fickin right  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 25 April 2020, 19:15:17
Far cough.


I really should start using a browser that allows oof smilies.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 25 April 2020, 19:15:53
Far cough.


I really should start using a browser that allows oof smilies.
And doesn't allow me  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 25 April 2020, 19:17:23
Even better.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 25 April 2020, 19:20:57
Even better.  :-* :-* :-*
Put the smilies in for yer, mate  :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 25 April 2020, 19:23:51
Oh thanks. Im ever so grateful. Shouldn't you be treating your long suffering wife to an evening of romance and luuurv ?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 25 April 2020, 19:24:49
Oh thanks. Im ever so grateful. Shouldn't you be treating your long suffering wife to an evening of romance and luuurv ?
Behave yourself. Yuk.  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 25 April 2020, 22:52:16
Meanwhile, in Belgium, they're talking about going back towards normal in a couple of weeks.

Apparently noone seems to have noticed that they have had nearly 600 deaths per million people, far and away the highest ratio globally and although they have technically had fewer actual deaths than Spain, Spain is only running at a ratio under 500 dpm.

Don’t suppose our beloved media will bother to notice this point in the clamour to kill everyone  :-X
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Entwood on 25 April 2020, 23:43:41
Just remember .. everyone STAY SAFE .. no matter your age ...


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-dorset-52427165


:)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 25 April 2020, 23:48:17
Yep stay safe. Or at least inject Dettol.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 26 April 2020, 08:55:16
All the BBC seem to want to know is when will lockdown start being eased Fu**ing idiots since last Monday approximately 4,000 people have died, can they not comprehend how deadly this virus is ?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 26 April 2020, 10:48:26
Maybe we should have a national referendum to decide  :-\

IN  or  OUT

what could possibly go wrong  :-\

i think we need another month at the current level of lock down at least looking at the figures
mandatory face covering in public ,enough PPE for ALL key workers

hopefully by June we will know more about Covid 19 by then too

 
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 26 April 2020, 10:48:40
All the BBC seem to want to know is when will lockdown start being eased Fu**ing idiots since last Monday approximately 4,000 people have died, can they not comprehend how deadly this virus is ?


The Media, wanted it, They got it,.. Being at home doesn't make any news, so they want something else to report,  When this is over, I don't think journo's will be on anyone's Christmas card list.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 26 April 2020, 10:49:59
Open a large area for them to play amongst themselves until they’re all gone💀💀
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 26 April 2020, 10:54:01
Went out for my walk at about 8:15 this morning, usually early enough to avoid the covidiots. But not today, large groups out and about, had to hide by using dirt tracks.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 26 April 2020, 10:55:12
Fixed
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 26 April 2020, 10:56:42
Fixed
Fixed what? ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 26 April 2020, 10:57:11
we need news , but there are alternatives to SKY and BBC

go higher on the SKY box numbers  :D ;D

or look on the interwebnetthingymabob

obviously , we are being told what they want us to hear, NOT what is actually going on
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 26 April 2020, 10:57:53
Fixed
Fixed what? ;D
his ENTER button  :D ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 26 April 2020, 10:58:36
we need news , but there are alternatives to SKY and BBC

go higher on the SKY box numbers  :D ;D

or look on the interwebnetthingymabob

obviously , we are being told what they want us to hear, NOT what is actually going on
Every news outlet has it's own agenda. FFS, the evening standard is owned by a Russian now.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 26 April 2020, 11:03:05
we need news , but there are alternatives to SKY and BBC

go higher on the SKY box numbers  :D ;D

or look on the interwebnetthingymabob

obviously , we are being told what they want us to hear, NOT what is actually going on
Every news outlet has it's own agenda. FFS, the evening standard is owned by a Russian now.

Are you saying some news channels  BIASED Uncle Stemo  :o
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 26 April 2020, 11:14:12
Fixed
Fixed what? ;D
                            Slight English error, but I may have been quick enough anyway😂
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 26 April 2020, 14:13:00
The UK media seem to be united in putting pressure on the Govt. to ease the lockdown for some reason. Irresponsible doesn't begin to cover it ffs !
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 26 April 2020, 14:38:25
Shut up Dai ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 26 April 2020, 19:06:00
Contagion is now on netflix i think  :-\
https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/70185071?source=35 (https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/70185071?source=35)
i watched it on ITV2
also available to rent or buy on SKY

if you haven't seen it ,well worth a watch  :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 April 2020, 19:13:10
Mattt Daymonnn (https://youtu.be/QApeYpw7KQQ)  :D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 26 April 2020, 20:23:03
Contagion is now on netflix i think  :-\
https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/70185071?source=35 (https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/70185071?source=35)
i watched it on ITV2
also available to rent or buy on SKY

if you haven't seen it ,well worth a watch  :y
It's downloading now. £3.49 to scare the shit out of the wife, well worth the money  :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 26 April 2020, 20:34:52
Contagion is now on netflix i think  :-\
https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/70185071?source=35 (https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/70185071?source=35)
i watched it on ITV2
also available to rent or buy on SKY

if you haven't seen it ,well worth a watch  :y
It's downloading now. £3.49 to scare the shit out of the wife, well worth the money  :)
I hope you like it  :)
and I hope you put newspaper down Uncle Stemo  ;D
considering it was released 9 years ago , it's frighteningly like the current situation  :-X
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 April 2020, 20:39:37
Contagion is now on netflix i think  :-\
https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/70185071?source=35 (https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/70185071?source=35)
i watched it on ITV2
also available to rent or buy on SKY

if you haven't seen it ,well worth a watch  :y
It's downloading now. £3.49 to scare the shit out of the wife, well worth the money  :)
I hope you like it  :)
and I hope you put newspaper down Uncle Stemo  ;D
considering it was released 9 years ago , it's frighteningly like the current situation  :-X
Life imititing art. Or is it the other way around? I can never tell  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 26 April 2020, 20:44:04
Contagion is now on netflix i think  :-\
https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/70185071?source=35 (https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/70185071?source=35)
i watched it on ITV2
also available to rent or buy on SKY

if you haven't seen it ,well worth a watch  :y
It's downloading now. £3.49 to scare the shit out of the wife, well worth the money  :)
I hope you like it  :)
and I hope you put newspaper down Uncle Stemo  ;D
considering it was released 9 years ago , it's frighteningly like the current situation  :-X
Life imititing art. Or is it the other way around? I can never tell  ::)
are you suggesting time travel is possible  :-\ or confirming what everyone knows ,that it was released deliberately  :P 
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 April 2020, 20:45:40
I will let you know once I have watched it... Then again I may have to watch Outbreak immediately afterwards just to see what the monkey has to say on the matter ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 26 April 2020, 20:49:33
I will let you know once I have watched it... Then again I may have to watch Outbreak immediately afterwards just to see what the monkey has to say on the matter ;)
both good films but Contagion is better and more apt
hope you enjoy it   ;)

Ps don't drop your beer
PPs or the posh jam
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 April 2020, 20:50:52
Waiting for the next 24 to be released...

That said, watching Kiefer Sutherland run around chasing Batflu whilst the world shuts down is going to be a long 24 weeks :D

Ps the jam wasn't mine, and I never drop beer :P
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 April 2020, 23:01:57
I will let you know once I have watched it... Then again I may have to watch Outbreak immediately afterwards just to see what the monkey has to say on the matter ;)
Not enough Kate Twinsett, but I did enjoy the irony of the ending. Or rather, the beginning :D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 27 April 2020, 01:56:58
When Contagion was shown again late march/early april , there where complaints that it was too close to the knuckle  >:(  (covid 19)
I said at the time,they should put it on TV constantly as a training video
maybe people would respect the lock down etc and how important social distancing etc really is
At the time the uk had 1000 deaths from Covid 19
Today ,4 weeks on,UK deaths are 21000
though probably 50,000 is a true figure  :'(

but I did enjoy the irony of the ending. Or rather, the beginning :D
except with covid 19 we know that close to the wet market was a laboratory working on Coronavirus
all evidence is gone now ,all whistle blowers silenced

If you don't buy the real reason that over 200,000 people are dead conspiracy theory ...

at least try and get this movie seen as much as possible  :y

because if a few extra people watch it and start being safer, social distancing ,washing hands etc

and passing on the message to a few more people  ,lives could be saved


Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 27 April 2020, 10:10:12
I agree there are people just ignoring the warnings, some through total ignorance/misunderstanding etc, shame there’s no way everyone could be compelled to watch it,
Maybe they can then grasp the reasons for the lockdown.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 27 April 2020, 10:28:29
I agree there are people just ignoring the warnings, some through total ignorance/misunderstanding etc, shame there’s no way everyone could be compelled to watch it,
Maybe they can then grasp the reasons for the lockdown.

Yes that is true.

I know one man who is 62, and a friend of mine, who is in the top 1.5 million who have been told to completely isolate. Has he?  Has he heck!! :( :(

He is down from London away from his home to be with his, one of many, girl friends ( >:(), to keep clear of the city's smog.  He has a severe respiratory illness, on very strong medication to keep him alive, blood pressure of over 230, but he is still circulating: going to the shops, mixing with people from different households, and living in an open house to all!! >:( >:( >:(

Just plain stupidity, arrogance, stubbornness, and a disregard for others.  He knows what I  and others think, but he takes no notice.

It has made me very angry and now I will not go anywhere near him >:( >:(

So yes, they are certainly amongst us and a danger to all :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: redelitev6 on 27 April 2020, 11:23:28
I agree there are people just ignoring the warnings, some through total ignorance/misunderstanding etc, shame there’s no way everyone could be compelled to watch it,
Maybe they can then grasp the reasons for the lockdown.

Yes that is true.

I know one man who is 62, and a friend of mine, who is in the top 1.5 million who have been told to completely isolate. Has he?  Has he heck!! :( :(

He is down from London away from his home to be with his, one of many, girl friends ( >:(), to keep clear of the city's smog.  He has a severe respiratory illness, on very strong medication to keep him alive, blood pressure of over 230, but he is still circulating: going to the shops, mixing with people from different households, and living in an open house to all!! >:( >:( >:(


It has made me very angry and now I will not go anywhere near him >:( >:(
Just plain stupidity, arrogance, stubbornness, and a disregard for others.  He knows what I  and others think, but he takes no notice.

So yes, they are certainly amongst us and a danger to all :-X :-X :-X
Sounds like he should be on here  :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 27 April 2020, 14:39:21
Just when people are talking about schools opening:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-children-illness-nhs-doctor-warning-health-alert-a9485441.html
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 27 April 2020, 16:47:37
I wonder if we’re going to see anymore mutations/effects of this virus? It is said we’ve never witnessed anything like this one, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s found there’s more of a sinister origin to it.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 27 April 2020, 17:22:15
During the coronavirus update today, a member of the public was allowed to ask a question. Dai, from Wales, asked if, during the lockdown, it was okay for him to carry on having relations with his sheep friends.  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 27 April 2020, 17:35:55
Stem you’re heading for a sh-eweing🐏
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 27 April 2020, 17:55:31
Stem you’re heading for a sh-eweing🐏
Why? It wasn't ewe, was it?  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: redelitev6 on 27 April 2020, 18:15:27
 :) The Belgians have the right idea
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52439934
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 27 April 2020, 18:19:34
Stem you’re heading for a sh-eweing🐏
Why? It wasn't ewe, was it?  ;D
.     
                You’re bahhhd bahhhb boy you should be put on the rack ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 27 April 2020, 18:25:35
:) The Belgians have the right idea
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52439934
Hardly original...

http://www.broughtontransport.com/3/Eat-More-Chips-Lorries/

 ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 27 April 2020, 18:26:22
Stem you’re heading for a sh-eweing🐏
Why? It wasn't ewe, was it?  ;D
.     
                You’re bahhhd bahhhb boy you should be put on the rack ;D
Not a rack of lamb, surely that would only encourage him :o
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 27 April 2020, 19:40:15
I wool not doubt that,he needs chopping up, lambasting, and a good ramming ;D :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 27 April 2020, 19:55:38
Done all that in my youth. The 'ladies' used to find me so attractive that I had to carry a jar of mint sauce to keep them at bay.  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 29 April 2020, 14:51:06
These coronavirus figures are a load of crap. Here's a report from today's Liverpool Echo:

Of the 445 new deaths announced today:

- 96 occurred on April 28

- 148 occurred on April 27

- 42 occurred on April 26

The figures also show 116 of the new deaths took place between April 1 and April 25 while the remaining 43 deaths occurred in March, with the earliest new death taking place on March 9.

NHS England releases updated figures each day showing the dates of every coronavirus-related death in hospitals in England, often including previously uncounted deaths that took place several days or even weeks ago. This is because of the time it takes for deaths to be confirmed as testing positive for Covid-19, for post-mortem examinations to be processed and for data from the tests to be validated.

The figures published by NHS England show April 8 continues to have the highest number for the most hospital deaths occurring on a single day, with a current total of 859.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 29 April 2020, 15:20:58
:) The Belgians have the right idea
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52439934
Hardly original...

http://www.broughtontransport.com/3/Eat-More-Chips-Lorries/

 ;D


 Apply there for a job,, 3weeks away, channel hopping, keep ya busy :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 29 April 2020, 21:23:06
These coronavirus figures are a load of crap. Here's a report from today's Liverpool Echo:

Of the 445 new deaths announced today:

- 96 occurred on April 28

- 148 occurred on April 27

- 42 occurred on April 26

The figures also show 116 of the new deaths took place between April 1 and April 25 while the remaining 43 deaths occurred in March, with the earliest new death taking place on March 9.

NHS England releases updated figures each day showing the dates of every coronavirus-related death in hospitals in England, often including previously uncounted deaths that took place several days or even weeks ago. This is because of the time it takes for deaths to be confirmed as testing positive for Covid-19, for post-mortem examinations to be processed and for data from the tests to be validated.

The figures published by NHS England show April 8 continues to have the highest number for the most hospital deaths occurring on a single day, with a current total of 859.

I wonder how many of the Covid-19 infections and deaths in the Liverpool area result from the Atletico Madrid fans coming over for the footie in early March?  :-\
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: redelitev6 on 29 April 2020, 21:38:19
These coronavirus figures are a load of crap. Here's a report from today's Liverpool Echo:

Of the 445 new deaths announced today:

- 96 occurred on April 28

- 148 occurred on April 27

- 42 occurred on April 26

The figures also show 116 of the new deaths took place between April 1 and April 25 while the remaining 43 deaths occurred in March, with the earliest new death taking place on March 9.

NHS England releases updated figures each day showing the dates of every coronavirus-related death in hospitals in England, often including previously uncounted deaths that took place several days or even weeks ago. This is because of the time it takes for deaths to be confirmed as testing positive for Covid-19, for post-mortem examinations to be processed and for data from the tests to be validated.

The figures published by NHS England show April 8 continues to have the highest number for the most hospital deaths occurring on a single day, with a current total of 859.

I wonder how many of the Covid-19 infections and deaths in the Liverpool area result from the Atletico Madrid fans coming over for the footie in early March?  :-\
Probably less than having 251,684 at the Cheltenham festival ?
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 29 April 2020, 21:43:41
These coronavirus figures are a load of crap. Here's a report from today's Liverpool Echo:

Of the 445 new deaths announced today:

- 96 occurred on April 28

- 148 occurred on April 27

- 42 occurred on April 26

The figures also show 116 of the new deaths took place between April 1 and April 25 while the remaining 43 deaths occurred in March, with the earliest new death taking place on March 9.

NHS England releases updated figures each day showing the dates of every coronavirus-related death in hospitals in England, often including previously uncounted deaths that took place several days or even weeks ago. This is because of the time it takes for deaths to be confirmed as testing positive for Covid-19, for post-mortem examinations to be processed and for data from the tests to be validated.

The figures published by NHS England show April 8 continues to have the highest number for the most hospital deaths occurring on a single day, with a current total of 859.

I wonder how many of the Covid-19 infections and deaths in the Liverpool area result from the Atletico Madrid fans coming over for the footie in early March?  :-\
Yeah, big stink over that. Letting 3000 fans from a country in lockdown attend a football match abroad, you couldn't make it up.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 29 April 2020, 21:45:54
I doubt it... The foot ball crowd, (half of whom came from a viral hub), all yelling screaming and cheering all over each other in a tin shed... vs the (reasonably) civilised horsey crowd in an open field...  :-\

At least they've started showing the death rate per million as a clearer comparison.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 10 May 2020, 13:14:29
Well I've just read 2 articles on the possibility that a lack of vitamin D, MAY be what is causing certain groups from being more susceptible to the bat flu.
 https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vitamins-and-minerals/vitamin-d/

https://www.technologynetworks.com/tn/news/amp/researchers-have-discovered-a-strong-correlation-between-severe-vitamin-d-deficiency-and-mortality-334567
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 10 May 2020, 13:27:34
Nah, Batflu is racist...  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 10 May 2020, 13:31:52
Nah, Batflu is racist...  ::)


 That's what Diane Abbott, Doreen Lawrence, and the Muslim council of Britain,, think!!
 The only thing they have in common is jezza the commy..
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 10 May 2020, 13:49:04
Nah, Batflu is racist...  ::)
It' can't be racist ,it only came out in 2019 ,the Chinese wouldn't have been allowed to release it if it wasn't 100% politically correct  :P
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 10 May 2020, 14:04:33
Nah, Batflu is racist...  ::)
It' can't be racist ,it only came out in 2019 ,the Chinese weren't supposed to release it  :P
Fixed.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 10 May 2020, 22:03:06
Well this bat flu, must be the most reliable product ever shipped from China, it's still working after 6 months, which got me thinking..

Now if the member from brackley had ordered this via eBay, it would never had arrived, or been not as described and returned with a refund wanted ASAP. :)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 10 May 2020, 22:05:36
Well this bat flu, must be the most reliable product ever shipped from China, it's still working after 6 months, which got me thinking..

Now if the member from brackley had ordered this via eBay, it would never had arrived, or been not as described and returned with a refund wanted ASAP. :)

 :D ;D
 Jamie is in a bunker somewhere ,orchestrating the cull from a safe distance more like  :P
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 10 May 2020, 22:48:27
I will be pissed off if he his. I expect my enthusiastic support to be put to good use when the time comes.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: ronnyd on 10 May 2020, 23:02:05
Well this bat flu, must be the most reliable product ever shipped from China, it's still working after 6 months, which got me thinking..

Now if the member from brackley had ordered this via eBay, it would never had arrived, or been not as described and returned with a refund wanted ASAP. :)

 :D ;D
 Jamie is in a bunker somewhere ,orchestrating the cull from a safe distance more like  :P
The bravery of being out of range.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 11 May 2020, 07:06:11
Well this bat flu, must be the most reliable product ever shipped from China, it's still working after 6 months, which got me thinking..

Now if the member from brackley had ordered this via eBay, it would never had arrived, or been not as described and returned with a refund wanted ASAP. :)

 :D ;D
 Jamie is in a bunker somewhere ,orchestrating the cull from a safe distance more like  :P
The bravery of being out of range.

 Like all true Dictators,,
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 11 May 2020, 07:13:17
People arriving at airports are going to be quarantined from around the end of this month. Although after a phone call from Macron yesterday people arriving from France will be exempt, as will those arriving from Ireland.
You couldn't make it up.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 11 May 2020, 08:05:49
Just a simple observation it's too fu**ing  late..
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 11 May 2020, 09:56:09
What has been the point of the lock down anyway, when thousands of people flood into the country every day from all round the world and just disperse into the community without even having their temperature checked?  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 11 May 2020, 10:05:16
Not to mention the hoards turning up illegally in boats some spotted and doubtless many more not.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 11 May 2020, 10:13:04
Not to mention the hoards turning up illegally in boats some spotted and doubtless many more not.
I think if a boat load of Somalia or Syrians turned up in your village, someone would probably notice ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 11 May 2020, 11:20:05
Bit far from the coast for that mate :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 11 May 2020, 11:46:53
Bit far from the coast for that mate :y
Not my point ::)

For us to have a meaningful border will take time to establish. The Australian border is only effective because they 'acquired' an island to establish a processing plant. The only processing is to send people back from whence they came.

Antipodean immigration policy makes the US version look like a small kerb stone on the way to play the lottery (pun intended).

A prison/accommodation barge anchored five miles off South Foreland should suffice.

For a deterrent to be effective, it needs to be in place and enforced. Currently we are only able to 'rescue' people and give them humanitarian aid. Which is as it should be. However they way this is done is not, in itself, a deterrent, so still they come.

Scrape them out of the water, give them a blanket and a cup of tea, then take them to the barge. Make the barge as comfortable as a custody suite and send them back after a week. Start the scheme in late October, and within six months, see the numbers fall off a cliff.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 11 May 2020, 11:54:35
Yes indeed I would support that all the way. Some may say it’s hard but something has got to be done, the French are only doing what they need to ‘look busy’ and we have a long coastline to police not ideal.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 11 May 2020, 12:05:49
Unofficially, it would be a tragic accident if small, unlit boats were run over by shipping crossing/transiting the Channel.

If people completely stopped arriving, then people would completely stop coming. Or put another way, if there was 100% of dying in the process of doing something, no one would do it.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 11 May 2020, 12:20:22
Indeed Nigel Farage was predicting an accident in the channel Sunday,  and apparently had a visit from the police At 10pm for going out too much.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 11 May 2020, 12:59:31
Coronavirus: UK detention centres 'emptied in weeks' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52560093
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 11 May 2020, 13:11:34
On my journey home from work this morning I was shocked by the amount of traffic. I would estimate it has risen from around 20% of normal to easily 50% of normal overnight !
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 11 May 2020, 13:22:22
At the moment I'm getting 3weeks to the gallon out of the Range Rover..
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: STEMO on 11 May 2020, 15:26:39
I don't like these creepy looking fickers, I reckon they'd make people take notice, esp with a flame thrower (ok, Mick ;D) on top:

Coronavirus: Robot dog enforces social distancing in Singapore park https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52619568
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Rangie on 11 May 2020, 15:58:08
I don't like these creepy looking fickers, I reckon they'd make people take notice, esp with a flame thrower (ok, Mick ;D) on top:

Coronavirus: Robot dog enforces social distancing in Singapore park https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52619568
.   

I moved on now Steve I want a Tank..😃
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 11 May 2020, 16:08:36
I don't like these creepy looking fickers, I reckon they'd make people take notice, esp with a flame thrower (ok, Mick ;D) on top:

Coronavirus: Robot dog enforces social distancing in Singapore park https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52619568
we need the ones that fire live rounds ,as used in FOX TV's war of the worlds
clicky  (https://asylumsfx.com/work/war-of-the-worlds-quadruped-alien-robots)

doggy video clicky   (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhamzPmFaTk) , NO  :o , not that sort of video  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Drewomega on 11 May 2020, 16:13:46
Eeyup! Still stuck in Mallorca, BUT things are changing here more than the mainland and certainly more than the UK. I went to a bar on the first day of opening this morning on the seafront in Porto Pollenca on a glorious day. Lots of policia locale walking around checking and also guardia civil in cars. It was wonderful to socialize abeit social distancing. We of an older generation have to adhere to the hours specified. Err.... we were 15mins over our allotted time! Everybody was observing the 2 metre rule. As you can see from my profile I have had worse! We will get through this but common sense rules in my opinion.

How is it for you Varche?


Err! I wonder how the old bus is, parked up in the steam railway car park in Aviemore?  :y !Under security!
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: biggriffin on 11 May 2020, 18:54:04
Coronavirus: UK detention centres 'emptied in weeks' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52560093


 So they've just let them go wandering about, with the general public,, Instead of getting them to Heathrow, putting them on there National carriers and sending them home,,, The woman will be pregnant within weeks, so they can't be deported, the blokes will be delivering pizza's and Amazon, using fake Id's....
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 11 May 2020, 19:33:57
Indeed , somethings never change  ::)

However , it is hard for a woman to get pregnant from 2 metres away ,and no one EVER breaks that rule 

well, not upstanding, law abiding citizens anyway  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Raeturbo on 11 May 2020, 20:33:28
Oh yes just left to wander about and that’s the ones we know about >:(
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: ronnyd on 11 May 2020, 20:46:53
Indeed , somethings never change  ::)

However , it is hard for a woman to get pregnant from 2 metres away ,and no one EVER breaks that rule 

well, not upstanding, law abiding citizens anyway  ::)

Apart from our recently resigned government expert, who's name escapes me at the moment.  :-X
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 11 May 2020, 20:54:28
Coronavirus: UK detention centres 'emptied in weeks' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52560093

So there was a case of Covid-19 at the detention centre and the response was to let everyone out into the community?  ???

Can we have a head banging a brick wall emoji please TB?  ::)










Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 11 May 2020, 21:19:19

Can we have a head banging a brick wall emoji please TB?  ::)
I think it would get used a lot  :P   ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Sir Tigger QC on 11 May 2020, 22:16:27

Can we have a head banging a brick wall emoji please TB?  ::)
I think it would get used a lot  :P   ;D

Yes that's true Dave. The servers at TB Towers might over heat and.....  ::)  :-X                                                                       ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 11 May 2020, 23:01:08
That's an Alert level all on its lonesome  :D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 12 May 2020, 00:58:34

Can we have a head banging a brick wall emoji please TB?  ::)
I think it would get used a lot  :P   ;D

Yes that's true Dave. The servers at TB Towers might over heat and.....  ::)  :-X                                                                       ;D

Jamie keeps forgetting to ban me  :-\

early onset Alzheimer's perhaps  ;D :D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 16 May 2020, 20:08:23
UK population 2020 = 67,886,011  ,confirmed cases of Chinese virus (worldometers) 240161
 so at least 1 in every 283 people have tested positive by government figures
 balls to the R nought  .
 that's a lot of coughing confirmed people running round ,
daily briefing says 1 or 2 per 1000  :-\
they hide active cases and say total recovered is not applicable ,
so,  it's very easy to see there could be a lot more than 1 in 283
I say that because no one is counting non tested asymptomatic carriers or stay at home ,self isolating who have not been tested .

 but then take into account they say 80% have no or minor symptoms (so untested asymptomatic) not including people who self isolate with symptoms (also untested )
 so 1 in 283 is only the 20% of what is possibly out there
 so is it 283 /100 =2.83 x 20 = 1 in 56 people ?   :o

are my maths correct ? Saturday night quiz  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 16 May 2020, 21:26:31
I forgot to remove 34466 dead people from the 240161 confirmed cases  :-[

so 205695 confirmed but not dead

so 1 in 330

so with non tested @ 80%

brings it to 1 in 66 could have covid 19
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 16 May 2020, 22:02:36
66 is 2 average classes of 33 pupils  ,

about 2 classes (years)  per school going back in June

1 covid 19 carrier per school then ,not including possibly teachers and staff  :(





Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 May 2020, 22:45:32
As Kate Bush once sang to Peter Gabriel...

You worry too much... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjEq-r2agqc&list=PL2ROvNbSSGEgLVNR4Z_cqfmVAE61_5ZHd&index=8&t=0s)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 16 May 2020, 22:51:10
Always thought Kate Bush was highly overrated, but I like that song. Particularly the line Peter Gabriel sings " gonna walk out of her, I cant take any more". A real bluesy / gospel feel to it.
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 17 May 2020, 01:27:17
As Kate Bush once sang to Peter Gabriel...

You worry too much... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjEq-r2agqc&list=PL2ROvNbSSGEgLVNR4Z_cqfmVAE61_5ZHd&index=8&t=0s)
clearly NOT social distancing  :o

if your going to quote lines from song lyrics .....

REM "It's The End Of The World As We Know It"
Queen "Who Wants To Live Forever"
Bee Gees "Stayin Alive! "
Gloria Gaynor "I Will Survive"
Bee Gees  "Night Fever"

i could go on  ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: BazaJT on 17 May 2020, 07:36:01
And you often do :D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 17 May 2020, 17:46:14
As Kate Bush once sang to Peter Gabriel...

You worry too much... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjEq-r2agqc&list=PL2ROvNbSSGEgLVNR4Z_cqfmVAE61_5ZHd&index=8&t=0s)
clearly NOT social distancing  :o

if your going to quote lines from song lyrics .....

REM "It's The End Of The World As We Know It"
Queen "Who Wants To Live Forever"
Bee Gees "Stayin Alive! "
Gloria Gaynor "I Will Survive"
Bee Gees  "Night Fever"

i could go on  ;D

Plus my favourite,  The Beatles "Let it Be"  8) 8) :D ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 17 May 2020, 17:50:07
Meatloaf " like a bat virus out of China Hell"
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 17 May 2020, 18:05:34
                       

Guns N' Roses  "Live And Let Die"

Rolling Stones  "Doom and Gloom"   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPFGWVKXxm0

and behind it all in our World of today, yesterday and before, my favourite Stones song:

Rolling Stones  "Sympathy For The Devil"          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgnClrx8N2k

then, Arthur Brown  "Fire"          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLUGsn-NOis

 :D :D ;)

 
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 17 May 2020, 18:19:16
I do love a bit of GnR  :)
or maybe something a bit more uplifting   "you stay away from me you hear"  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AHCfZTRGiI)  :P
 fantastic  :)  razor blade anyone  ;D :D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: ronnyd on 17 May 2020, 19:17:47
Roger Waters, "It All Makes Perfect Sense".  :y
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: BazaJT on 17 May 2020, 19:52:51
Cher,If I Could Turn Back Time.

What the heck have you started here dave? ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 17 May 2020, 20:07:45
Roger Waters, "It All Makes Perfect Sense".  :y
I'm " Amused to death" Ronny  ;D :D

Cher,If I Could Turn Back Time.


Very good  :y   ;D







Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 17 May 2020, 20:29:54
Or as Carrie Underwood so carefully puts it... We should be drinking alone.  (https://youtu.be/vfkq-Ov7WSw)  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 17 May 2020, 20:39:11
Cher,If I Could Turn Back Time.

What the heck have you started here dave? ;D

This is good, just like the old days of massively long threads! ;D ;D ;)

Not like Word Association.  Far more fun than that ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 17 May 2020, 20:45:50
Two more

The Beatles.  “Revolution”

And......        “Revolution 9”.  A soundtrack on a mad World

  ;)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: dave the builder on 17 May 2020, 21:11:58
Cher,If I Could Turn Back Time.

What the heck have you started here dave? ;D

This is good, just like the old days of massively long threads! ;D ;D ;)

Not like Word Association.  Far more fun than that ;D ;D ;D

make a new thread then Lizzie  :)

songs for the coronApocalypse or something  :-\

Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Andy B on 17 May 2020, 21:22:30
....
Plus my favourite,  The Beatles "Let it Be"  8) 8) :D ;)

have you watched Yesterday? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uqvgPm8U4c

We watched it last week ..... very good!
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Kevin Wood on 17 May 2020, 22:04:28

then, Arthur Brown  "Fire"          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLUGsn-NOis

 :D :D ;)

I once had a rather drunken conversation in which we wondered what the country would be like if the government was drawn entirely from prog rock stars of yesteryear. I think we decided that Arthur Brown would be PM. :D

I think it's a pretty good idea, actually. And I've sobered up now. ;D
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Andy B on 17 May 2020, 22:33:59
                        .....
then, Arthur Brown  "Fire"          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLUGsn-NOis

 :D :D ;)

I remember hiding behind the couch when that came on Top of the Pops ...... (obviously in Black & white!) but I was only 6  ::)
Title: Re: Corona virus Europe
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 18 May 2020, 09:02:02
Cher,If I Could Turn Back Time.

What the heck have you started here dave? ;D

This is good, just like the old days of massively long threads! ;D ;D ;)

Not like Word Association.  Far more fun than that ;D ;D ;D