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[albitz]

We sell more to the EU than it buys from us overall,so they would lose more than they gain in that scenario.Renault,Citreon,Mercedes,BMW etc. wont restrict sales to this country if we arent in the EU.They would be cutting off their nose to spite their face and businesses dont work like that. And I believe it would be illegal under international trading law if they did it anyway.
There are several countries in Europe who arent EU members,but enjoy perfectly good trading relations with the EU countries.
If the whole thing is about trade,lets revert it to a common market where member states trade freely with each other to their mutual benefit.Thats the only thing the people of this country voted to join.
The only reason most of them (the French in particular) want us to remain in there is to grab as much British money as they can.The U.K. is one of the richest countries in Europe and one of the biggest contributors to the EU,but in reality,many European countries and their peoples have a deep dislike of the British.
Our future economic wealth lies mainly outside the EU anyway - China,India,Brazil and the Commonwealth countries will be much more important in years to come.
Europes economies are absolutely shgged for generations to come,and thats presuming they cease their economic insanity almost immediately and start along a more sensible path - which isnt going to happen anytime soon.

[omega3000]

Well said albitz , couldnt agree more 

[cleggy]

Just give us a referendum and the people choose.. IN or OUT 

[albitz]

Precisely Cleggy.If theres a good strong case for staying in and moving to a U.S.E (which is very obviously happening before our eyes) let the politicians tell the truth,argue their case and win voters hearts & minds rather than lying to us and moving us slowly but surely somewhere we havent been asked if we want to go.
Even if it brought severe economic hardship,would it be worth sacrificing our independence,sovereignty and position of a leading nation in many respects in order to escape economic hardship ? Not to me it isnt.

[Rods2]

There seems to be this perpetuated myth that you can't trade with Europe unless you are ruled by a communist EU commission president and his 27 member Politburo, who make 75% of your laws and want total control to make it 100%.

Well, try telling that to the American, Canandian, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Korean, Taiwanian and Singaporian people to name but a few that flood Europe with exports. All you need to do to export to any country is comply with their product standards and compliance system. I've been there and done that, where with a previous business 95% of our turnover was exports, including selling to all developed nations and many developing ones like Brazil, India and China.

We don't need to be in the EU to export to Europe. France have forged Europe how it is, as their aim was to make it a high import tax, closed shop socialist block to protect inefficient, highly unionized French industry and their largely state run becoming more bankrupt by the day economy. In the 1980's in the era of Delors and Mitterrand, this looked like it might succeed, but as it was a French plan for European French Hegemony, you just know it was / is going to fail. Now that Economic power has shifted to the east and the south of the globe that dream is impossible to fulfill and the French and EU are incapable of reinventing themselves. It will continue to implode for who knows how long impoverishing all the nations that are still in its steel, vice like grip along the way.

Europe is becoming more and more of an economic backwater with a rapidly shrinking industrial base (UK and Northern Europe being the exceptions) with China growing by a Greek economy every 3 months and the BRICS growing by an Italian economy, the 8th biggest in the world every 12 months. Growth wise Europe is a best, just growing, at worst with Greece and Spain shrinking 6 to 10% a year.

If we stay in the EUSSR then our democracy and economy will be eventually chocked to death by these communists until they are ousted, and they will cling to power more strongly than any leech. The EU for the same reason will look like the USSR with a series of very poor countries like the ex-USSR satellites once the EU is over. Like all undemocratic, authoritarian, non-consensual, power grabs by the few from the many it WILL FAIL. The problem is the horrendous damage they do on the way. We can see from the suffering in Greece and Spain that they don't care, the EU to them, is all about them not us.

The alternative is that we leave the EU and maybe stay in the single market, but continue to trade with them and get on our bikes and start selling more to the rest of the world. This country has to adjust and reinvent itself, we proved in the 1980 and early 1990's we could do it and prospered, we can do it again. I know which of these two visions I prefer, so we all need to think not only what is best for ourselves and our spouses, but also what is best in the future for our children and grand-children

Your life, your choice, your vote.

I've made my decision, where I'm emigrating, but I can vote for 10 years after leaving the UK and will be voting UKIP.

[Kevin Wood]

Yes, UKIP have more chance of doing the TheBoy earwarmer trick than getting into government, and the same chance of competently running the place once they are in.

I think a strong turnout for them, especially if they obliterate the Limpdems and therefore become the likely coalition partners, would send the right message to the politburo, though. They are starting to get nervous about nationalist leanings already. Maybe it would convince them that their member states have to be allowed to say "non" to any more daft ideas, lest their people say "non" to the whole shooting match.

[cleggy]

There seems to be this perpetuated myth that you can't trade with Europe unless you are ruled by a communist EU commission president and his 27 member Politburo, who make 75% of your laws and want total control to make it 100%.

Well, try telling that to the American, Canandian, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Korean, Taiwanian and Singaporian people to name but a few that flood Europe with exports. All you need to do to export to any country is comply with their product standards and compliance system. I've been there and done that, where with a previous business 95% of our turnover was exports, including selling to all developed nations and many developing ones like Brazil, India and China.

We don't need to be in the EU to export to Europe. France have forged Europe how it is, as their aim was to make it a high import tax, closed shop socialist block to protect inefficient, highly unionized French industry and their largely state run becoming more bankrupt by the day economy. In the 1980's in the era of Delors and Mitterrand, this looked like it might succeed, but as it was a French plan for European French Hegemony, you just know it was / is going to fail. Now that Economic power has shifted to the east and the south of the globe that dream is impossible to fulfill and the French and EU are incapable of reinventing themselves. It will continue to implode for who knows how long impoverishing all the nations that are still in its steel, vice like grip along the way.

Europe is becoming more and more of an economic backwater with a rapidly shrinking industrial base (UK and Northern Europe being the exceptions) with China growing by a Greek economy every 3 months and the BRICS growing by an Italian economy, the 8th biggest in the world every 12 months. Growth wise Europe is a best, just growing, at worst with Greece and Spain shrinking 6 to 10% a year.

If we stay in the EUSSR then our democracy and economy will be eventually chocked to death by these communists until they are ousted, and they will cling to power more strongly than any leech. The EU for the same reason will look like the USSR with a series of very poor countries like the ex-USSR satellites once the EU is over. Like all undemocratic, authoritarian, non-consensual, power grabs by the few from the many it WILL FAIL. The problem is the horrendous damage they do on the way. We can see from the suffering in Greece and Spain that they don't care, the EU to them, is all about them not us.

The alternative is that we leave the EU and maybe stay in the single market, but continue to trade with them and get on our bikes and start selling more to the rest of the world. This country has to adjust and reinvent itself, we proved in the 1980 and early 1990's we could do it and prospered, we can do it again. I know which of these two visions I prefer, so we all need to think not only what is best for ourselves and our spouses, but also what is best in the future for our children and grand-children

Your life, your choice, your vote.

I've made my decision, where I'm emigrating, but I can vote for 10 years after leaving the UK and will be voting UKIP.

Just feak out but please continue to contribute your wisdom and well constructed points of argument.

Vote UKIP

[cleggy]

Now I know that we won't get a referendum


The e-petition 'Referendum on the European Union' signed by you recently reached 18,188 signatures and a response has been made to it.

As this e-petition has received more than 10 000 signatures, the relevant Government department have provided the following response: The Government believes that membership of the EU is in the national interest of the UK. It is central to how we create jobs, expand trade and protect our interests around the world. The Government’s priority is dealing with the crisis in the Eurozone and making sure that the Single Market, which is one of the greatest forces for prosperity the continent has ever known and of immense benefit to this country, is not damaged. The crisis in the Eurozone has intensified the debate in every country on the future of Europe and there is no exception here. Europe is changing, and we do not know what the EU will end up looking like at the end of this crisis. As the Prime Minister has said, this Government believes that a choice between the status quo within the EU or leaving completely is the wrong question. But now that the European Union Act 2011 is in place the British people will have the final say, through a referendum, if any future treaty change results in a transfer of competence from the UK to the EU. This cannot happen without the express consent of the British people. The activities of the EU have expanded over time, before the coalition Government established a referendum lock, and it is important to take stock of the impact of the EU on our country. In line with a commitment made to the British people in the Coalition Programme for Government, the Government recently launched a review of the balance of competences between the UK and the EU to assess the EU’s impact on the UK. Now is the right time to take a critical and constructive look at exactly which competences lie with the EU, which lie with the UK, and whether it works in our national interest. The parties in the Coalition will have the opportunity to address issues such as referenda in their own manifestos at the next election. You may also wish to read the Prime Minister’s Statement of 2nd July 2012 on the European Council at http://www.number10.gov.uk/news/prime-ministers-statement-on-the-european-council/ This e-petition remains open to signatures and will be considered for debate by the Backbench Business Committee should it pass the 100 000 signature threshold.

[omega3000]

I have ordered my ukip poster for the window 

[Kevin Wood]

Now I know that we won't get a referendum


The e-petition 'Referendum on the European Union' signed by you recently reached 18,188 signatures and a response has been made to it.

As this e-petition has received more than 10 000 signatures, the relevant Government department have provided the following response: The Government believes that membership of the EU is in the national interest of the UK. It is central to how we create jobs, expand trade and protect our interests around the world. The Government’s priority is dealing with the crisis in the Eurozone and making sure that the Single Market, which is one of the greatest forces for prosperity the continent has ever known and of immense benefit to this country, is not damaged. The crisis in the Eurozone has intensified the debate in every country on the future of Europe and there is no exception here. Europe is changing, and we do not know what the EU will end up looking like at the end of this crisis. As the Prime Minister has said, this Government believes that a choice between the status quo within the EU or leaving completely is the wrong question. But now that the European Union Act 2011 is in place the British people will have the final say, through a referendum, if any future treaty change results in a transfer of competence from the UK to the EU. This cannot happen without the express consent of the British people. The activities of the EU have expanded over time, before the coalition Government established a referendum lock, and it is important to take stock of the impact of the EU on our country. In line with a commitment made to the British people in the Coalition Programme for Government, the Government recently launched a review of the balance of competences between the UK and the EU to assess the EU’s impact on the UK. Now is the right time to take a critical and constructive look at exactly which competences lie with the EU, which lie with the UK, and whether it works in our national interest. The parties in the Coalition will have the opportunity to address issues such as referenda in their own manifestos at the next election. You may also wish to read the Prime Minister’s Statement of 2nd July 2012 on the European Council at http://www.number10.gov.uk/news/prime-ministers-statement-on-the-european-council/ This e-petition remains open to signatures and will be considered for debate by the Backbench Business Committee should it pass the 100 000 signature threshold.

Or.. abbreviated version...

As this e-petition has received more than 10 000 signatures, it's time for me to cut short my subsidised liquid lunch in the member's bar by a few minutes to fob the plebs off with some old cr@p which most of them won't realise says that we will carry on doing just as we please, even if it's contrary to the views of the unwashed who voted for us.

[Terbs]

Where can I get one from 

[omega3000]

Where can I get one from 

I was given a multi choice option on the back of the reply form , they should be available from the website but should imagine you will get a leaflet through soon anyway

Another option was a board up outside the house