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[Rods2]

Looks like there are still issues with the 787 Dreamline, I wonder if they will be grounded again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23294760

[Kevin Wood]

Hmm.  So, still using a giant Dell battery, then?

[Sir Tigger KC]

My Mum was flying into Heathrow this afternoon but ended up sat on the tarmac at Stanstead instead... 

[Nickbat]

Looks like there are still issues with the 787 Dreamline, I wonder if they will be grounded again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23294760

No batteries in the area of the fire (a crew rest area). Think we'll have to wait and see on this one.

[Rods2]

Looks like there are still issues with the 787 Dreamline, I wonder if they will be grounded again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23294760

No batteries in the area of the fire (a crew rest area). Think we'll have to wait and see on this one.

Fires and aircraft are a very bad combination. Repairing the damage on this is going to be interesting. Where the new Airbus 350 has composite panels attached to an airframe, the Dreamliner fuselage is a monocoque design. One of the reasons that Airbus have gone for the attached panels is for airfield knocks repairability.

I hope the Dreamliner is not going to turn into a DC 10.

[Nickbat]

Looks like there are still issues with the 787 Dreamline, I wonder if they will be grounded again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23294760

No batteries in the area of the fire (a crew rest area). Think we'll have to wait and see on this one.

Fires and aircraft are a very bad combination. Repairing the damage on this is going to be interesting. Where the new Airbus 350 has composite panels attached to an airframe, the Dreamliner fuselage is a monocoque design. One of the reasons that Airbus have gone for the attached panels is for airfield knocks repairability.

I hope the Dreamliner is not going to turn into a DC 10.

I hope so, too. It's very odd that it had been parked for eight hours and then only caught fire when it was prepped before being towed. More questions than answers at the minute.

[plym ian]

There was another incident on a Dreamliner from Manchester yesterday not looking good for it


http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-23296073

[ronnyd]

Should help Airbus sales though

[Varche]

If they are all grounded , where is the capacity going to come from for the already booked flights?

[Nickbat]

From AV Herald

The aircraft fire is unrelated to the batteries. This will be confirmed tomorrow in a boeing press conference. Fire is strongly believed to be as a result of galley overheat - failure of coffee heater trip switch which was left on.Burnt out much of the galley and area above causing deep damage to aft bh and rudder/elevator system.

 

[Varche]

From AV Herald

The aircraft fire is unrelated to the batteries. This will be confirmed tomorrow in a boeing press conference. Fire is strongly believed to be as a result of galley overheat - failure of coffee heater trip switch which was left on.Burnt out much of the galley and area above causing deep damage to aft bh and rudder/elevator system.

 

Ah, Very convenient. I find it strange that you don't really know what plane type you will be flying on when you book. If the fleet isn't grounded, I for one would be circumspect at flying on one of these.

[Rods2]

From AV Herald

The aircraft fire is unrelated to the batteries. This will be confirmed tomorrow in a boeing press conference. Fire is strongly believed to be as a result of galley overheat - failure of coffee heater trip switch which was left on.Burnt out much of the galley and area above causing deep damage to aft bh and rudder/elevator system.

 

Ah, Very convenient. I find it strange that you don't really know what plane type you will be flying on when you book. If the fleet isn't grounded, I for one would be circumspect at flying on one of these.

I would imagine an in-flight fire is a terrifying experience, even worst than a ships fire. I don't think I would be happy flying in one of these at the moment. Lithium-ion batteries are meant to really burn when they do catch fire, a Kers fire burnt out the Williams pit garage.

I see Boeing shares have taken a hammering. The fire was apparently caused by a left on empty coffee percolator where the safety trip didn't. It has apparently caused extensive damage to the rear of the aircraft including the tail area and their control systems.

I would imagine if they are grounded again the airlines would temporally keep in service aircraft they were retiring or they would replace them with short term leased planes.

[05omegav6]

There's no shortage of secondhand aircraft knocking around take up the slack

Don't be surprised if you find yourself on a 30 year old Jumbo on the way to Lanzagrotty...

[Marks DTM Calib]

There's no shortage of secondhand aircraft knocking around take up the slack

Don't be surprised if you find yourself on a 30 year old Jumbo on the way to Lanzagrotty...

There was me thinking air France and KLM were using all them, you can tell there old by the crt's on the ceiling and the ashtrays in the seat arms!

[Nickbat]

Focus shifts from coffee machine to a Honeywell Emergency Locator Transmitter (ELT). Relatively good news for Boeing, whose shares have recovered a bit.   

ELTs use non-rechargeable lithium-manganese batteries. Reminds me of the power sounder problem in Omegas (though I don't think they are of the same chemical profile)

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/07/18/boeing-dreamliner-idUKL6N0FO3FJ20130718