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MR MISTER

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UK 10 year gilts hit 3%
« on: 05 September 2013, 15:53:01 »

Not good news. Last year our government was crooning about how our austerity plans were instrumental in keeping us our triple A rating and, thus, goverment borrowing attracted an interest rate of under 2%, much lower than those nasty froggies had to pay. Well, guess what, the French are now paying less than us.
For those of you who think that there really isn't a lot of difference between 2 and 3%, there is. It's an extra 50% in interest payments.
If I borrow £1000 for 10 years at 2% a year fixed, it will cost me £200 in interest. 3% costs me £300.
Now extrapolate that into billions of pounds. :o
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Re: UK 10 year gilts hit 3%
« Reply #1 on: 05 September 2013, 16:04:29 »

It will be interesting to see what Rods2 has to say on the subject.

I wish that the UK had paid more of its debt off these last three years.
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Re: UK 10 year gilts hit 3%
« Reply #2 on: 05 September 2013, 16:10:43 »

It will be interesting to see what Rods2 has to say on the subject.

I wish that the UK had paid more of its debt off these last three years.
Rod is an old doomsayer. Wish he'd hurry up and bugger off to Ukraine. ;D
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Re: UK 10 year gilts hit 3%
« Reply #3 on: 05 September 2013, 17:46:01 »

I am holding these at present amongst others - not a totally comfortable ride I can tell you....

1% Treasury Gilt 2017 14.5%
4¾% Treasury Gilt 2030 9.1%
2¼% Treasury Gilt 2014 8.4%
5% Treasury Stock 2025 6.7%
2% Treasury Gilt 2016 6.5%
4¾% Treasury Stock 2038 6.3%
4½% Treasury Gilt 2019 5.9%
3¾% Treasury Gilt 2020 5.2%
4 1/2 Treasury 2034 5.0%
1¾% Treasury Gilt 2022 3.4%
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Re: UK 10 year gilts hit 3%
« Reply #4 on: 05 September 2013, 19:46:24 »

I am holding these at present amongst others - not a totally comfortable ride I can tell you....

1% Treasury Gilt 2017 14.5%
4¾% Treasury Gilt 2030 9.1%
2¼% Treasury Gilt 2014 8.4%
5% Treasury Stock 2025 6.7%
2% Treasury Gilt 2016 6.5%
4¾% Treasury Stock 2038 6.3%
4½% Treasury Gilt 2019 5.9%
3¾% Treasury Gilt 2020 5.2%
4 1/2 Treasury 2034 5.0%
1¾% Treasury Gilt 2022 3.4%

My goodness you must be young  ;D :y
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Re: UK 10 year gilts hit 3%
« Reply #5 on: 05 September 2013, 21:04:49 »

It will be interesting to see what Rods2 has to say on the subject.

I wish that the UK had paid more of its debt off these last three years.
Rod is an old doomsayer. Wish he'd hurry up and bugger off to Ukraine. ;D

Chevrolets are very common in Ukraine, where they are made in an old Daewoo factory. So if I borrow one on a permanent basis from somebody in Wakefield then I will blend in. :P ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: UK 10 year gilts hit 3%
« Reply #6 on: 05 September 2013, 21:28:57 »

It will be interesting to see what Rods2 has to say on the subject.

I wish that the UK had paid more of its debt off these last three years.
Rod is an old doomsayer. Wish he'd hurry up and bugger off to Ukraine. ;D

Chevrolets are very common in Ukraine, where they are made in an old Daewoo factory. So if I borrow one on a permanent basis from somebody in Wakefield then I will blend in. :P ;D ;D ;D ;D
OK. I'll look after your cash till you get back.  :)
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Re: UK 10 year gilts hit 3%
« Reply #7 on: 05 September 2013, 21:41:56 »

The fact that our bond yields are rising is actually good news where government bonds tend to drop (so their yield rises) on an economic recovery, where people sell them to invest where they can get better returns. The other reason is inflation with £375bn of QE money sloshing around the system, so bondholders are quite rightly worried about their yields being below this, so they are losing money. Germany won't allow the Euro to have similar money expansion yet, so inflationary pressures are lower. At some point the votes from France and the PIIGS will outvote the German block at the ECB and then the printing presses will be set into overdrive so they can inflate their 100%+ of GDP sovereign debts away. Germany's reaction to this will be interesting.  ::) ::) ::) ::)

The other reason why bond yields have gone up is that over at the Fed, Benny and the Inkjets is threatening to turn a few off to taper the $85bn a month of QE. This is rattling many West Ham supporting debt junkies where they won't get such a big monthly fix to continue to blow bubbles, like in the current equity markets.  :o :o :o :o

The possibility of the tapering of US QE is already having repercussions around the world in emerging economies, especially in India with a full blown Rupee crisis, and to a slightly less extent in Indonesia and other Asian countries along with Brazil. The world is a very different place from the last Asian crisis in 1997/8 where emerging economies now account for over 50% of global GDP. Where the emerging countries currencies are dropping against the dollar, the US has said that is their problem, but this flippant comment may come back to haunt them as a big problem is that with low US interest rates compared with their local currencies many companies in these countries have taken out low interest rate loans in US dollars. With earnings in their local currencies and loan repayments in strengthening US dollars, what could possibly go wrong? :o :o :o :o Indian industry has $100bn of such loans that have not been hedged against currency changes.  :o :o :o :o

What has been interesting is that the US have cut their budget deficit by 2.9% since January and they are still growing. Austerity in the UK is a myth, where every year Government spending has gone up not down, the increase has just not been quite as fast Labour planned.  :o :o :o :o The government's budget deficit has actually increased slightly over the last 12 months. Cuts that have been made in non-ring fenced departments have been for three main reasons: To cover the ever increasing social security budget, the government's ever increasing interest bill and to restore some of the capital expenditure of infrastructure that was reduced by the last Government.

So, although the economy is certainly looking up for the UK and US and after 5 years of economic recession / depression this has to be good news, lets hope other problems around the world don't hamper our growth.  :y :y :y :y
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Re: UK 10 year gilts hit 3%
« Reply #8 on: 05 September 2013, 21:44:01 »

It will be interesting to see what Rods2 has to say on the subject.

I wish that the UK had paid more of its debt off these last three years.
Rod is an old doomsayer. Wish he'd hurry up and bugger off to Ukraine. ;D

Chevrolets are very common in Ukraine, where they are made in an old Daewoo factory. So if I borrow one on a permanent basis from somebody in Wakefield then I will blend in. :P ;D ;D ;D ;D
OK. I'll look after your cash till you get back.  :)

Good, just don't spend the 10UAH (about 80p) all at once.  ::) :P ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: UK 10 year gilts hit 3%
« Reply #9 on: 05 September 2013, 21:48:56 »

I agree..from that perspective. But the financial world is full of uncertainties at the moment and I would prefer things to be a little more stable. The 10 year yield shot up by 12 basis points today, and that's one hell of a leap.
It appears to me, although I bow to your superior knowledge, that what's good for one is bad for another and vice versa.
If the economy grows then yields will rise. The government will collect more in taxes but have to pay more servicing debts.
To put it technically, it does my fickin cake in. ;D
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Re: UK 10 year gilts hit 3%
« Reply #10 on: 05 September 2013, 21:58:25 »

All this talk is fine for  wealthy people with spare money to invest. :) ;) :y

As for myself.......I barely have a pot to piss in. :-\

All generous contributions to the 'Save poor old Opti' fund will be used to make my impoverished life just that little bit better.

Many Thanks. :)
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Re: UK 10 year gilts hit 3%
« Reply #11 on: 05 September 2013, 22:09:18 »

All this talk is fine for  wealthy people with spare money to invest. :) ;) :y

As for myself.......I barely have a pot to piss in. :-\

All generous contributions to the 'Save poor old Opti' fund will be used to make my impoverished life just that little bit better.

Many Thanks. :)

You've got a pot, luxury, pure luxury.  :P :o :o :o :o

Don't worry, gold is on the rebound, so you will get more for sackfuls of Doubloons.  :P ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: UK 10 year gilts hit 3%
« Reply #12 on: 05 September 2013, 22:22:27 »

I agree..from that perspective. But the financial world is full of uncertainties at the moment and I would prefer things to be a little more stable. The 10 year yield shot up by 12 basis points today, and that's one hell of a leap.
It appears to me, although I bow to your superior knowledge, that what's good for one is bad for another and vice versa.
If the economy grows then yields will rise. The government will collect more in taxes but have to pay more servicing debts.
To put it technically, it does my fickin cake in. ;D

The forward guidance from the BOE of saying interest rates will stay low for the next few years has failed as the markets seem to be pricing in at least one interest rate rise in that time and maybe more. With current and future inflationary pressures with a growing economy, they are probably right. Higher inflation will mean higher bond yields.

With Gilts rapidly rising, the yield will probably overshoot as this is what happens in markets.
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