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[chrisgixer]

...over my house is starting to get on my wick. Not just me. Walk around the place on a sunny day and "the bloody Red Baron is up agin" can often be heard.

What to do?

 Its unnecessary. Noisy and irritating. He's lately got hold of a new red bull air race type plane that's clearly far more agile, and more noisy.

While Waltham is just up the road and I'm sure he sees built up areas and a noisy engine as a way if advertising his red letter day while scaring passengers at their cost.

Ok, but do it quietly. Harumpf.

[Kevin Wood]

You might want to read this.

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/7/eis%2007.pdf

Having recently qualified to fly basic aerobatics in gliders the rules are fresh in my mind and quite clear. The air navigation order covers all flying in the UK with few exceptions and it states that aerobatic manoeuvres shall not be performed "over the congested area of any city, town or settlement". A bit of a vague definition but I would certainly consider it to include Reading . I wouldn't fly aerobatics over Alton, for example.

There is also a provision that flying shall not occur within 500 feet of any person, vehicle, vessel or structure, although I very much doubt he'll be violating that one.

If he is flying aerobatics directly overhead your location then I'd say he's falling foul of the ANO but it's quite possible for him to be a mile or two away, over open countryside, whilst appearing very close.

I would say that repeatedly overflying any area in a noisy powered aircraft is also inconsiderate, and if I were him I'd vary where I practice to spread the noise out a little more widely. At the gliding club we vary the routes over which we tow gliders for tyat reason, and also avoid overflying local settlements on tow where possible.

Having said that, it's a busy area of sky and he might have a limited area of relatively sparse airspace to use for practice. He will need to ensure he is alone in a reasonably large chunk of airspace before flying aerobatics. His local flying club might, for example, have an "aerobatic box" where a local agreement exists to keep other traffic clear of the area, so he may not have the flexibility he'd like in respect of varying the location of his flying.

If I were you, I'd find out where he is based, and, in the first instance, write a strongly worded letter to the flying club. Most take the opinions of their neighbours seriously (probably why he's not allowed to practice any closer to White Waltham!). Consider getting your neighbours to sign a petition, perhaps?

If that fails, try the CAA.

If you can read the G- registration from the aircraft you can find out who operates it here: http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1. It might be worth a letter to the address listed there, politely pointing out the nuisance he's causing. It may not be the pilot, of course, but the aircraft owner would probably rather avoid getting such mail.

[chrisgixer]

Perfect. Thankyou.

As suspected i'll need some binoculars to to read the G- number.

There a good possibility he's flying directly over a field. But he field is almost next door to the road i'm in. Not beyond the realm of possibility that a loss of control could see momentum carry him into a residential area imo.

But them i'm no pilot with knowledge of these things.

I don't like complaining about it, as the petrol head in me enjoys the spectacle to a point. But its clear the idea is to attract attention with noise. Which is certainly working.



...but how does he know the precise moment i walk outside every sunny day?

[Varche]

OR

You could buy a Sopwith Camel and challenge him to a duel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCkpn8mlfxE

[chrisgixer]

Nothing a SAM sight won't fix.

[Sir Tigger KC]

I thought The Red Baron (the OOF member) was trying to flog you a set of part worn tyres!   

"Go on Chris you know you want them really and look they've got 1.9mm of tread left. Loads!!!"  

[TheBoy]

...over my house is starting to get on my wick. Not just me. Walk around the place on a sunny day and "the bloody Red Baron is up agin" can often be heard.

What to do?

 Its unnecessary. Noisy and irritating. He's lately got hold of a new red bull air race type plane that's clearly far more agile, and more noisy.

While Waltham is just up the road and I'm sure he sees built up areas and a noisy engine as a way if advertising his red letter day while scaring passengers at their cost.

Ok, but do it quietly. Harumpf.

You should be here, its non stop. Only proper planes. Bloody brilliant

[Taxi_Driver]

...over my house is starting to get on my wick. Not just me. Walk around the place on a sunny day and "the bloody Red Baron is up agin" can often be heard.

What to do?

 Its unnecessary. Noisy and irritating. He's lately got hold of a new red bull air race type plane that's clearly far more agile, and more noisy.

While Waltham is just up the road and I'm sure he sees built up areas and a noisy engine as a way if advertising his red letter day while scaring passengers at their cost.

Ok, but do it quietly. Harumpf.

You should be here, its non stop. Only proper planes. Bloody brilliant

Same here, the last few days.....i thought it was an air show somewhere.....but when i mentioned it to a neighbour, he told me its an 'exercise' they doing from Fairford and Brize Norton

[biggriffin]

Mr angry from Tunbridge bridge wells. Next be writing a strongly worded letter to the Times..

[Shackeng]

You might want to read this.

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/7/eis%2007.pdf

Having recently qualified to fly basic aerobatics in gliders the rules are fresh in my mind and quite clear. The air navigation order covers all flying in the UK with few exceptions and it states that aerobatic manoeuvres shall not be performed "over the congested area of any city, town or settlement". A bit of a vague definition but I would certainly consider it to include Reading . I wouldn't fly aerobatics over Alton, for example.

There is also a provision that flying shall not occur within 500 feet of any person, vehicle, vessel or structure, although I very much doubt he'll be violating that one.

If he is flying aerobatics directly overhead your location then I'd say he's falling foul of the ANO but it's quite possible for him to be a mile or two away, over open countryside, whilst appearing very close.

I would say that repeatedly overflying any area in a noisy powered aircraft is also inconsiderate, and if I were him I'd vary where I practice to spread the noise out a little more widely. At the gliding club we vary the routes over which we tow gliders for tyat reason, and also avoid overflying local settlements on tow where possible.

Having said that, it's a busy area of sky and he might have a limited area of relatively sparse airspace to use for practice. He will need to ensure he is alone in a reasonably large chunk of airspace before flying aerobatics. His local flying club might, for example, have an "aerobatic box" where a local agreement exists to keep other traffic clear of the area, so he may not have the flexibility he'd like in respect of varying the location of his flying.

If I were you, I'd find out where he is based, and, in the first instance, write a strongly worded letter to the flying club. Most take the opinions of their neighbours seriously (probably why he's not allowed to practice any closer to White Waltham!). Consider getting your neighbours to sign a petition, perhaps?

If that fails, try the CAA.

If you can read the G- registration from the aircraft you can find out who operates it here: http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1. It might be worth a letter to the address listed there, politely pointing out the nuisance he's causing. It may not be the pilot, of course, but the aircraft owner would probably rather avoid getting such mail.

Ah yes, but probably not Wo kingham.

[chrisgixer]

No its not Not Wo kingham. It's Not Reading.

[TheBoy]

...over my house is starting to get on my wick. Not just me. Walk around the place on a sunny day and "the bloody Red Baron is up agin" can often be heard.

What to do?

 Its unnecessary. Noisy and irritating. He's lately got hold of a new red bull air race type plane that's clearly far more agile, and more noisy.

While Waltham is just up the road and I'm sure he sees built up areas and a noisy engine as a way if advertising his red letter day while scaring passengers at their cost.

Ok, but do it quietly. Harumpf.

You should be here, its non stop. Only proper planes. Bloody brilliant

Same here, the last few days.....i thought it was an air show somewhere.....but when i mentioned it to a neighbour, he told me its an 'exercise' they doing from Fairford and Brize Norton

I think I know the reasons why the skies here have been full of 1940's planes, aided by Typhoons and other fast jets