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[zirk]

Microsoft have announced they will be dropping the Nokia name and the new Range will be called Microsoft Lumia. so is this the end of Nokia Mobile as we know it?, apparently not

In the last 24 hours have seen both Nokia launch its N1 Tablet and today the Jolla launch its JollaTablet with the view to both products to give the iPad Mini a good kicking.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-30096603

http://jolla.com/tablet#

The Nokia N1 runs Android under Nokia Z Launcher OS, only months after Launching the Nokia X Android Phone back in February (which was then axed by Microsoft a few months later) then launching to improved Nokia X2 Phone in May (also now axed by MS).

Jolla today have launched its JollaTablet running Sailfish 2 a Linux Open Source Platform that runs their Own Apps and can also run Android Apps within a background window. Jolla are making big waves around the Globe at the moment with its own 4G Jolla Phone which also runs Sailfish OS, a kind of upgraded Meego open source OS that was developed by Nokia to replace and compete with iCrapple iOS and was only ever released on their flagship N9, which in my opinion was a brilliant phone at the time and both the phone and the OS would have given the iPhone a good seeing too, had Microsoft not axed it and got rid of the Development team, some of which now run Jolla.

Interestly the name Jolla is Finish for Lifeboat or Dingy, which is kind of ironic considering they were part of Nokia's Sinking Ship OS when MS did the takeover, there developers are called Sailors and the Management are known as Navigators, also with a OS name called Sailfish you kind of get the impression they're passionate about their beliefs of their own products and their goals.

So whats the deal with Nokia and Microsoft then?, and Nokia being allowed to mess with the Android Platform under the Windows umbrella? my understanding is the MS agreement (or whatever the tie up is) runs out in 2016, , so no doubt more true blue Nokia Team Members and Developers will be pushed out the back door.

In my opinion the sooner Nokia and Microsoft part company the better, Nokia are big players when it come to Network and Switch Infrastructure, whether Nokia will get back on board and start making Handsets again is doubtful, although it wouldn't be that difficult to produce something better than the Multi Coloured Plastic Windows phone shite that currently being churned out, but with some potential future out of work Nokia Staff and the likes of Jolla making noises, it could be a step forward for some serious competition for a new Mobile OS flying out the doors in the near future. The Jolla mob have done well to achieve their ambitions in just under 2 years of starting with an open source platform, wouldn't surprise me at all if some of the development work was aided under the table with current Nokia Developers with a view of potential opportunities in the future.   

[TheBoy]

I don't think Nokia can make it on their own. The tie in with MS was its only saviour. Releasing another has-been Linux based mobile OS is doomed to failure, what can it offer over Android, esp as Android is (mostly) open source? Why spend a fortune developing it...  ...and lets face it, for the past 15yrs, Nokia have proved they cannot develop software.

MS have no issue with Android. Its rumoured they make more off Android licences than they do off their own.


I believe Nokia sold al its network/firewall kit, carphone kit and cellular basestation kit ages ago, to raise capital.

[chrisgixer]

Not being a geek enought to talk on a level that IT geeks will fully comprehend isn't going to help me here, but stuff em.

Nokia need to stick to what they know best. And as a hard nosed one time Nokia fan, you'll understand when I express the thoughts that Nokia can drop down dead as far as I'm concerened.
I am infuriated that they had the whole thing sown up. And yet failed so catastrophically.

....AND STILL HAVENT LEARNED.....clearly. (And breath)


Open source is all well and good, but at some point you have to have a threashold where stuff becomes fit for purpose. Because the vast majority of open source stuff on Symbian was hopeless. Much like the world of jail broken crApple devices, it's hard work finding something that works and isn't a hacker or malware trying to fleece you.
....Unless your an it geek, that loves to play and learn and break and fix, crash and reboot, understand and learn(Develop, in fact) then you really aren't goung to get much out of open source that's worthwhile. Ime.

I would point out I have no experience with android though. So I may well be off the mark. Your either a developer, or a user. It either needs fiddling with to keep it working, or it just works (Apple) and accept the restrictions and costs involved with the just works approach to keep it so.

An ideal is somewhere in between of course, but Nokia have had plenty of time to make it work, and failed, and failed,and will failed again. By the looks. Imo anyway.

[TheBoy]

There is nothing wrong with open source per se - OOF is all open source, the Operating System of its 6 key servers are open source. The database is open source. The web server is open source. The software it runs is open source. And it runs 24/7 reliably (ignoring the database server's panic earlier this evening when I was doing something (supposedly benign) to it).

Open source definitely I a viable option to software.

In Nokia's case, I don't think it was an open source v closed source issue, it was simply Nokia's inability to do software (combined with woefully poor management).

I too was a Nokia fan for years, but drifted away when they couldn't do a viable smartphone, and had a multi-year affair with Windows Mobile.

[Kevin Wood]

Nokia were great when a phone needed good hardware, a decent signalling stack and a little bit of user interface software to allow the user to make calls and send / receive texts. These days, their capability in anything other than the software has evaporated or been sold off, and that stuff's ten a penny from China anyway. The day when their competences were worth money has passed.

Both Nokia and Microsoft have missed the smartphone boat and might as well just rush out a "me too" Android product while the Nokia brand is still worth something IMHO. But.. Even the established Android phone vendors are getting hosed by noname chinese outfits these days. The only winner has been crApple. Nokia should have perhaps been there with them, but no point crying over spilt milk now.

Frankly, the whole industry has invested heavily in creating skills in China and India to give them cheap production, and that has come home to roost in a big way, to a point where a European based manufacturer simply isn't able to be in the game any more IMHO.

[chrisgixer]

There is nothing wrong with open source per se - OOF is all open source, the Operating System of its 6 key servers are open source. The database is open source. The web server is open source. The software it runs is open source. And it runs 24/7 reliably (ignoring the database server's panic earlier this evening when I was doing something (supposedly benign) to it).

Open source definitely I a viable option to software.

In Nokia's case, I don't think it was an open source v closed source issue, it was simply Nokia's inability to do software (combined with woefully poor management).

I too was a Nokia fan for years, but drifted away when they couldn't do a viable smartphone, and had a multi-year affair with Windows Mobile.

That explains a lot actually.

Like I said, you will have to accept not having the appropriate terminology. But the FACT IS what was and is available for free as an open source software market on symbian and jail broken devices is shockingly bad. ESP from a user pov like mine, and most others non it orientated.
 We are talking about the mobile market remember  

But Apple had a very easy job taking over the bench mark from Nokia. Ripe for the picking. So ripe it's burst all over them. I don't think anyone will trust them again. Not enough to make a viable business anyway.

Bye bye Nokia mobile.

[TheBoy]

jail broken devices

There are 2 reasons to jailbreak:

1) to run software available in the app store, but without paying for it
2) to run software not approved by Apple


For 2), to get an app in the App Store, you have to make the app work/look/feel in a certain way - this is one way Apple can maintain consistency, intuitiveness/usability (hence why in another thread, I stated if somebody struggles with the intuiativeness of an iPad, then its likely that the tablet format is not right for that person), and stability for that "just works" advantage of 100% controlling the hardware and all software (ignoring the disadvantages/restrictions that such a model offers)