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[chrisgixer]

Yeah, as you can probably tell, bit tired myself

[Webby the Bear]

on the contrary chris that's exactly what I was after, thank you 

as said, when I did my timing belts on other cars they slipped on nicely. but ive seen others done by the other mechanics (vw work van springs to mind) where there belt is half on the teeth as youmentioned, then the tensioner fitted and its ll very tight (I think the vw van was cos it was a really thick and tight belt.

I think for this purpose it will be good to get the TB round and he can supervise me and I can see these issues crop up in real time 

thanks for your help mate