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[Varche]

Solutions at Calais are just sticking plasters.

The problem needs fixing at source. Why are people leaving their war torn countries? Who created the foment in the first place?

It is a sobering fact that there are more people "displaced" in the world now than during the second world war. Displaced means they have had to leave the place they called home for somewhere safer. If you have to do that why not go the whole hog and go somewhere with potentially good prospects? I would in their place.

[the alarming man]

The only thing Cameron has done wrong is not flying to France and kicking François Hollande in the happy-sack.

 

It would seem everyone is missing the point ..IT IS OUR BORDER not the French so no wonder they wont/cant/don't want to secure it....shooting at them is draconian??.....no I don't think so and no not over there head shot to kill only way to get the message across

[Rods2]

The border for the tunnel is only in France though agreement as originally it was going to be in the UK, so the French are threatening to tear up the current agreement and shift the problem to the UK.

Closing the tunnel is actually a very good suggestion as Eurotunnel is now a 100% owned French company, so do we care if it can no longer operate? Europe also sells more to us than we do to them, so it will be in their interests to make sure trade is not restricted. There are anti-invasion doors that can be used along with flooding it as a built-in safeguard to stop a European invasion of our island. We can go back to all ferry travel, which is much more controllable and this is why they congregate at Calais and not other Channel ports.

The chief culprits for the current African migration are the US, UK and France. Iraq: US and UK, Libya: UK and France and ISIS Obummer's stupid total rapid withdrawal of troops from Iraq, where he has not got a clue on FP, but always knows from his armchair that overruling his Generals on the ground is never going to cause a problem, where: 1) He is always right. 2) If he is wrong see rule 1. He may well go down in history as the first president that has lost 2 wars in quick succession in: Iraq and Afghanistan.

Going further back in time many of the Middle Eastern problems stem from 1918 UK / French arbitrary division of countries in the Middle East between them in the Sykes-Picot agreement. This meant that the two incompatible Islamic groups of the Sunni and Shi'a were not split on ethnic lines and this is still being sorted out in many of the current wars.

[biggriffin]

The border for the tunnel is only in France though agreement as originally it was going to be in the UK, so the French are threatening to tear up the current agreement and shift the problem to the UK.

Closing the tunnel is actually a very good suggestion as Eurotunnel is now a 100% owned French company, so do we care if it can no longer operate? Europe also sells more to us than we do to them, so it will be in their interests to make sure trade is not restricted. There are anti-invasion doors that can be used along with flooding it as a built-in safeguard to stop a European invasion of our island. We can go back to all ferry travel, which is much more controllable and this is why they congregate at Calais and not other Channel ports.

The chief culprits for the current African migration are the US, UK and France. Iraq: US and UK, Libya: UK and France and ISIS Obummer's stupid total rapid withdrawal of troops from Iraq, where he has not got a clue on FP, but always knows from his armchair that overruling his Generals on the ground is never going to cause a problem, where: 1) He is always right. 2) If he is wrong see rule 1. He may well go down in history as the first president that has lost 2 wars in quick succession in: Iraq and Afghanistan.

Going further back in time many of the Middle Eastern problems stem from 1918 UK / French arbitrary division of countries in the Middle East between them in the Sykes-Picot agreement. This meant that the two incompatible Islamic groups of the Sunni and Shi'a were not split on ethnic lines and this is still being sorted out in many of the current wars.

The migrants congregate, around the ferry port of Dunkirk, and Calais, they are not seen until the trucks start stacking up.

[LFF64]

The thing that bothers me is if people are getting through how do we know who is getting in to the country and what are they up too
For example airports have all the security checks but anyone could get through the tunnel with anything they wanted who knows what is being bought in to the UK illegally
Also what is being done at this end of the tunnel are they simply being let go once they are in the UK what control have we got this side surely somebody is watching the tunnel exits and could round them up as the come through if we can't stop them entering the tunnel stop them our side
Every time you here about "trouble " at the crossing its at Calais and not our end

[Sir Tigger KC]

When the French catch people trespassing in the tunnel depot at Coquelles or the ferry port at Calais they take them down the road and let them go.  What we should do is pop trespassers back across the channel and let them go on the beach. 

I expect that there are still a few servicable WW2 landing craft that could be pressed into action and it would create a few jobs as well. 

[the alarming man]

Tig it is only 30 miles...the swim will do them good

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

If all these people are displaced / asylum seekers/ refugees - call them what you will, how come at least 90% of them are young males between approx. 17 - 35 years old ?
Where are all the displaced etc. children, women, elderly people etc ? 
And why didn't they claim asylum in the first safe place they arrived at ? 
Refugees my arse, I would assume they are nothing but a bunch of chancers, unless any of them can prove beyond doubt otherwise, and treat them accordingly. 

[Broomies Mate]

If all these people are displaced / asylum seekers/ refugees - call them what you will, how come at least 90% of them are young males between approx. 17 - 35 years old ?
Where are all the displaced etc. children, women, elderly people etc ? 
And why didn't they claim asylum in the first safe place they arrived at ? 
Refugees my arse, I would assume they are nothing but a bunch of chancers, unless any of them can prove beyond doubt otherwise, and treat them accordingly. 

Because, as I understand it, if they are granted Asylum, they can then claim Asylum for their family.  Makes sense for the 'fittest' to chance making the journey alone.

[Terbs]

If all these people are displaced / asylum seekers/ refugees - call them what you will, how come at least 90% of them are young males between approx. 17 - 35 years old ?
Where are all the displaced etc. children, women, elderly people etc ? 
And why didn't they claim asylum in the first safe place they arrived at ? 
Refugees my arse, I would assume they are nothing but a bunch of chancers, unless any of them can prove beyond doubt otherwise, and treat them accordingly. 

Because, as I understand it, if they are granted Asylum, they can then claim Asylum for their family.  Makes sense for the 'fittest' to chance making the journey alone.

Yes, quite right...So....as these chancers are at Calais, some have been for months....where are the rest of the family now. If it is not safe for them at home, as is implied, they will be dead, tortured or in prison by now. I have not seen any evidence of families in the pictures of camps that I have viewed

[Terbs]

Theoretically, no-one should be able to apply for asylum here, as we are not connected to any other country other than Ireland, if you take the UK as a whole. Therefore every asylum seeker has to pass through a 'first safe country' before they get here. If that is the rule
I suppose Iceland and Greenland and the Faroes would be eligible. Forgive my geography...not top notch