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[TheBoy]

On these forums I see everyone saying it's easy. I don't think it is. But see how you get on 👍

Its practice. More practice. Yet more practice. And then more practice.  The more you do it, and the more frequently you do it, the better it gets.

I'm at the stage where fresh, new metal of reasonable thickness, I can get acceptable results. Sometimes really neat, sometimes a bit blobby.

I wouldn't dream of doing a motorbike frame (but have made a unique kind of trike with my old neighbour, where the rear wheels are like large rotating castors (off the front of a wheelchair), which is a lot of fun riding down the slight slope on my road - guaranteed to end in an accident).