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[cem_devecioglu]

Titanic..

And an unlucky engineer..The ship was cut horizontally causing 6 divisions to be filled with water ..if the ship crushed from the head nothing would happen..


http://www.milliyet.com.tr/content/galeri/yeni/goster.asp?prm=0,533424&id=1&galeriid=4159#galeriStart

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Titanic..

And an unlucky engineer..The ship was cut horizontally causing 6 divisions to be filled with water ..if the ship crushed from the head nothing would happen..


http://www.milliyet.com.tr/content/galeri/yeni/goster.asp?prm=0,533424&id=1&galeriid=4159#galeriStart

The Titanic was fated to founder Cem.  

There were so many "ifs" in her story, from the time she was built to the fated alloted time of 2340 on 14th April 1912 when she struck the iceberg and finally sank at 0120 on the morning of the 15th April.

If just one of those "ifs" had come true she would not be known as she is today!!

[cem_devecioglu]

Titanic..

And an unlucky engineer..The ship was cut horizontally causing 6 divisions to be filled with water ..if the ship crushed from the head nothing would happen..


http://www.milliyet.com.tr/content/galeri/yeni/goster.asp?prm=0,533424&id=1&galeriid=4159#galeriStart

The Titanic was fated to founder Cem.  

There were so many "ifs" in her story, from the time she was built to the fated alloted time of 2340 on 14th April 1912 when she struck the iceberg and finally sank at 0120 on the morning of the 15th April.

If just one of those "ifs" had come true she would not be known as she is today!!

Very tragic story..The first time I watched the film (years ago in cinema not home) really depressed me..And I take my parents also..
Even the second time I was same   ..  

Couldnt stop mother crying  

[Jay w]

a very sad tale indeed, however i believe mans underestimation of the seas got the better of them......

nothing is unsinkable, as the poor unfortunate victims on that night found out

[cem_devecioglu]

a very sad tale indeed, however i believe mans underestimation of the seas got the better of them......

nothing is unsinkable, as the poor unfortunate victims on that night found out

yep..even the modern submarines :-/

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I have just been recollecting as a matter of interest CEM just some of the "ifs" I have read about whilst researching various books on the subject of the RMS Titanic by a marine engineer along with various marine and general historians.

As always of course they will be many more, which including the ones below can be controversial and disputed by some, but as I previously stated, the Titanic had a date with fate and nothing man could do would be able to change that!!

If the Titanic’s sister ship Olympic had not required propeller repairs and delayed the formers ships completion so making the 10th April departure certain

If  the steel used in Titanic’s construction (as it was in the construction of the Battle cruiser HMS Hood ) did not become very brittle in ice cold water and possibly split when it came into heavy contact with the iceberg

If the watertight compartments, a revolution in themselves, had countued above 'E' Deck as in modern ships

If a fire had not raged in a coal hold and possibly weakened the Titanic’s hull plates

If the Titanic’s departure had not been postponed to the 10th April 1912 which would have then resulted in a departure before the Arctic ice bergs had travelled south into the Atlantic across the shipping lanes

If the Titanic had not sucked SS New York out from her berth and delayed Titanic’s departure by one hour which would have resulted in the Titanic not encountering the ice berg she did

If Captain Smith had taken proper note of the ice warnings and reduced speed to give adequate time for evasive action

If the lookout in the forward masts crow’s nest had been issued with a pair of binoculars’ at Southampton to notice the ice berg sooner than they did

If the Titanic had hit the ice berg head on she would not have sunk

If the SS Californian radio had not gone off air at 2300 on the 14th April and had been able to pick up the CDQ and new SOS distress signals she would have been able to give speedy assistance

If Captain Lord of the SS Californian had responded to the sighting of “fireworks”  (Titanic's distress flares?) from a ship on the other side of the ice flow they were drifting alongside and investigated by gradually making headway towards whatever the ship firing “fireworks” was, they caused have rescued many souls.

If Captain Smith had slowly steamed in reverse towards the lights of a ship her crew had seen he could have delayed the ingress of water into the forward holds, and at least shortened the distance between her and the Cunard rescue ship RMS Carpathia, which was four hours away

If the Titanic had crossed through the ice flow / ice berg area a month before, when ice bergs had not started to travel so far South, or one hour earlier on the 14th April when the ice berg would not have been encountered at all.

If the Titanic had been fitted with all the lifeboats that the original Harland & Wolf design allowed for maybe all, or at least majority of, souls could have been saved.

If the men of power in the Edwardian Age had not believed they were the "Masters of the Universe" and recognized their arrogance.

 
  

[LaserLance]

Another short and consise history lesson from Lizzie there  

[cem_devecioglu]

I have just been recollecting as a matter of interest CEM just some of the "ifs" I have read about whilst researching various books on the subject of the RMS Titanic by a marine engineer along with various marine and general historians.

As always of course they will be many more, which including the ones below can be controversial and disputed by some, but as I previously stated, the Titanic had a date with fate and nothing man could do would be able to change that!!

If the Titanic’s sister ship Olympic had not required propeller repairs and delayed the formers ships completion so making the 10th April departure certain

If  the steel used in Titanic’s construction (as it was in the construction of the Battle cruiser HMS Hood ) did not become very brittle in ice cold water and possibly split when it came into heavy contact with the iceberg

If the watertight compartments, a revolution in themselves, had countued above 'E' Deck as in modern ships

If a fire had not raged in a coal hold and possibly weakened the Titanic’s hull plates

If the Titanic’s departure had not been postponed to the 10th April 1912 which would have then resulted in a departure before the Arctic ice bergs had travelled south into the Atlantic across the shipping lanes

If the Titanic had not sucked SS New York out from her berth and delayed Titanic’s departure by one hour which would have resulted in the Titanic not encountering the ice berg she did

If Captain Smith had taken proper note of the ice warnings and reduced speed to give adequate time for evasive action

If the lookout in the forward masts crow’s nest had been issued with a pair of binoculars’ at Southampton to notice the ice berg sooner than they did

If the Titanic had hit the ice berg head on she would not have sunk

If the SS Californian radio had not gone off air at 2300 on the 14th April and had been able to pick up the CDQ and new SOS distress signals she would have been able to give speedy assistance

If Captain Lord of the SS Californian had responded to the sighting of “fireworks”  (Titanic's distress flares?) from a ship on the other side of the ice flow they were drifting alongside and investigated by gradually making headway towards whatever the ship firing “fireworks” was, they caused have rescued many souls.

If Captain Smith had slowly steamed in reverse towards the lights of a ship her crew had seen he could have delayed the ingress of water into the forward holds, and at least shortened the distance between her and the Cunard rescue ship RMS Carpathia, which was four hours away

If the Titanic had crossed through the ice flow / ice berg area a month before, when ice bergs had not started to travel so far South, or one hour earlier on the 14th April when the ice berg would not have been encountered at all.

If the Titanic had been fitted with all the lifeboats that the original Harland & Wolf design allowed for maybe all, or at least majority of, souls could have been saved.

If the men of power in the Edwardian Age had not believed they were the "Masters of the Universe" and recognized their arrogance.

 
  

Really interesting info Lizze

Life boats is another tragic part..Still cant understand why they dont plan for enough number of boats ..And the boats mostly was not fully loaded..

But from what I understand , in this tragedy its not simply a series of mistakes.. Really was bad bad luck

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I have just been recollecting as a matter of interest CEM just some of the "ifs" I have read about whilst researching various books on the subject of the RMS Titanic by a marine engineer along with various marine and general historians.

As always of course they will be many more, which including the ones below can be controversial and disputed by some, but as I previously stated, the Titanic had a date with fate and nothing man could do would be able to change that!!

If the Titanic’s sister ship Olympic had not required propeller repairs and delayed the formers ships completion so making the 10th April departure certain

If  the steel used in Titanic’s construction (as it was in the construction of the Battle cruiser HMS Hood ) did not become very brittle in ice cold water and possibly split when it came into heavy contact with the iceberg

If the watertight compartments, a revolution in themselves, had countued above 'E' Deck as in modern ships

If a fire had not raged in a coal hold and possibly weakened the Titanic’s hull plates

If the Titanic’s departure had not been postponed to the 10th April 1912 which would have then resulted in a departure before the Arctic ice bergs had travelled south into the Atlantic across the shipping lanes

If the Titanic had not sucked SS New York out from her berth and delayed Titanic’s departure by one hour which would have resulted in the Titanic not encountering the ice berg she did

If Captain Smith had taken proper note of the ice warnings and reduced speed to give adequate time for evasive action

If the lookout in the forward masts crow’s nest had been issued with a pair of binoculars’ at Southampton to notice the ice berg sooner than they did

If the Titanic had hit the ice berg head on she would not have sunk

If the SS Californian radio had not gone off air at 2300 on the 14th April and had been able to pick up the CDQ and new SOS distress signals she would have been able to give speedy assistance

If Captain Lord of the SS Californian had responded to the sighting of “fireworks”  (Titanic's distress flares?) from a ship on the other side of the ice flow they were drifting alongside and investigated by gradually making headway towards whatever the ship firing “fireworks” was, they caused have rescued many souls.

If Captain Smith had slowly steamed in reverse towards the lights of a ship her crew had seen he could have delayed the ingress of water into the forward holds, and at least shortened the distance between her and the Cunard rescue ship RMS Carpathia, which was four hours away

If the Titanic had crossed through the ice flow / ice berg area a month before, when ice bergs had not started to travel so far South, or one hour earlier on the 14th April when the ice berg would not have been encountered at all.

If the Titanic had been fitted with all the lifeboats that the original Harland & Wolf design allowed for maybe all, or at least majority of, souls could have been saved.

If the men of power in the Edwardian Age had not believed they were the "Masters of the Universe" and recognized their arrogance.

 
  

Really interesting info Lizze

Life boats is another tragic part..Still cant understand why they dont plan for enough number of boats ..And the boats mostly was not fully loaded..

But from what I understand , in this tragedy its not simply a series of mistakes.. Really was bad bad luck

They decided to not install all the life boats originally designed for these ships due to a) cost b) to save deck space c) they really didn't think they would ever need them!

As for not loading the boats correctly, that is one of those dreadful things that result from poor lifeboat drill training for the crew; very poor ship emergency evacuation plans;  reluctance by many passengers to enter a lifeboat when they did not believe the ship was really sinking, and overall an apparent lack of command by Captain E.J.Smith.

[cem_devecioglu]

Few weeks ago a ferry in Band[ch305]rma in normal weather sank within 50 meters of the harbor ..And many died..

Human factor everytime works negative

ps : it was so quick that the drivers are still in their trucks