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[unlucky alf]

it would be nice to see more judges take this stance.
http://news.aol.co.uk/gang-rape-pair-get-longer-sentences/article/2009070211550067693310

[waspy]

I wonder if the two foreigners will be deported at the end of their sentences :-/
Should cut their balls off

[Macduff]

Totally agree with you Alf nice to see good sense prevail

[Gareth Lewis]

Personally I still think it is too lenient (they will be out on parole in half that time at best if not sooner!)

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Personally I still think it is too lenient (they will be out on parole in half that time at best if not sooner!)

Agreed Gareth, and give them 25 years, if not hang them!   Why are we such a soft touch today?

Don't answer...........I know............we are a civilized, caring society who respect (criminals) human rights! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I am going into a rant again!

[webby23]

Get them to spend the time inside here then send em packing and ban em from the country.....

 

[Pete Elite]

Personally I still think it is too lenient (they will be out on parole in half that time at best if not sooner!)

Agreed Gareth, and give them 25 years, if not hang them!   Why are we such a soft touch today?

Don't answer...........I know............we are a civilized, caring society who respect (criminals) human rights! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I am going into a rant again!

   Yes Lizzie but if we are so civilized then why have we got or need ars*ho**s like this in our society .

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Personally I still think it is too lenient (they will be out on parole in half that time at best if not sooner!)

Agreed Gareth, and give them 25 years, if not hang them!   Why are we such a soft touch today?

Don't answer...........I know............we are a civilized, caring society who respect (criminals) human rights! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I am going into a rant again!

   Yes Lizzie but if we are so civilized then why have we got or need ars*ho**s like this in our society .

Exactly Pete, all our fine words about being a civilized, caring, society measns absolutely nothing in these situations!  We should drop the pretence and flog, amputate, or hang them!!  John Locke preached the importance of personal freedom, being the backbone of our liberal democracy,  providing it did not hurt someone else or themselves mentally or physically.  In my book these types of individuals lose their freedoms and rights under the terms of Locke's great beliefs.


Mills and Bentham's utilitarian criteria, for the greater good, should be brought in to play!

[crazyjoetavola]

Personally I still think it is too lenient (they will be out on parole in half that time at best if not sooner!)

Agreed Gareth, and give them 25 years, if not hang them!   Why are we such a soft touch today?

Don't answer...........I know............we are a civilized, caring society who respect (criminals) human rights! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I am going into a rant again!

   Yes Lizzie but if we are so civilized then why have we got or need ars*ho**s like this in our society .

Exactly Pete, all our fine words about being a civilized, caring, society measns absolutely nothing in these situations!  We should drop the pretence and flog, amputate, or hang them!!  John Locke preached the importance of personal freedom, being the backbone of our liberal democracy,  providing it did not hurt someone else or themselves mentally or physically.  In my book these types of individuals lose their freedoms and rights under the terms of Locke's great beliefs.


Mills and Bentham's utilitarian criteria, for the greater good, should be brought in to play!

......does any such offender or offenders in general, possess the intellect to use the Utilitarian process when considering their intent?  It's difficult to say.

Whatever the motivation should we really be considering the Panopticon once more, or would that fall into the category of being cruel and unusual?

The problem of dealing with such offenders is not an easy one to address and certainly can't be considered to be one of a binary nature.

Surely there's more to throwing away the key or adopting the Joe Stalin solution?

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Personally I still think it is too lenient (they will be out on parole in half that time at best if not sooner!)

Agreed Gareth, and give them 25 years, if not hang them!   Why are we such a soft touch today?

Don't answer...........I know............we are a civilized, caring society who respect (criminals) human rights! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I am going into a rant again!

   Yes Lizzie but if we are so civilized then why have we got or need ars*ho**s like this in our society .

Exactly Pete, all our fine words about being a civilized, caring, society measns absolutely nothing in these situations!  We should drop the pretence and flog, amputate, or hang them!!  John Locke preached the importance of personal freedom, being the backbone of our liberal democracy,  providing it did not hurt someone else or themselves mentally or physically.  In my book these types of individuals lose their freedoms and rights under the terms of Locke's great beliefs.


Mills and Bentham's utilitarian criteria, for the greater good, should be brought in to play!

......does any such offender or offenders in general, possess the intellect to use the Utilitarian process when considering their intent?  It's difficult to say.

Whatever the motivation should we really be considering the Panopticon once more, or would that fall into the category of being cruel and unusual?

The problem of dealing with such offenders is not an easy one to address and certainly can't be considered to be one of a binary nature.

Surely there's more to throwing away the key or adopting the Joe Stalin solution?

We have tried everything else, but still criminality is going unpunished, with those that are eventually getting to court given sentences that hardly fit the crime.  The British public are tired of this approach, with all too many innocents suffering, whilst the culprits end up in nice comfy cells, with all amenities and humanity at the forefront, then to end up spending just half their sentence in prison!

Jeremy Bentham's panoptican may be now a way to go after trying all else with prisons, where they are watched 24 hours a day for the full length of their sentence whilst they contemplate the fact, that should apply now but does not always, crime does not pay!

[crazyjoetavola]

Personally I still think it is too lenient (they will be out on parole in half that time at best if not sooner!)

Agreed Gareth, and give them 25 years, if not hang them!   Why are we such a soft touch today?

Don't answer...........I know............we are a civilized, caring society who respect (criminals) human rights! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I am going into a rant again!

   Yes Lizzie but if we are so civilized then why have we got or need ars*ho**s like this in our society .

Exactly Pete, all our fine words about being a civilized, caring, society measns absolutely nothing in these situations!  We should drop the pretence and flog, amputate, or hang them!!  John Locke preached the importance of personal freedom, being the backbone of our liberal democracy,  providing it did not hurt someone else or themselves mentally or physically.  In my book these types of individuals lose their freedoms and rights under the terms of Locke's great beliefs.


Mills and Bentham's utilitarian criteria, for the greater good, should be brought in to play!

......does any such offender or offenders in general, possess the intellect to use the Utilitarian process when considering their intent?  It's difficult to say.

Whatever the motivation should we really be considering the Panopticon once more, or would that fall into the category of being cruel and unusual?

The problem of dealing with such offenders is not an easy one to address and certainly can't be considered to be one of a binary nature.

Surely there's more to throwing away the key or adopting the Joe Stalin solution?

We have tried everything else, but still criminality is going unpunished, with those that are eventually getting to court given sentences that hardly fit the crime.  The British public are tired of this approach, with all too many innocents suffering, whilst the culprits end up in nice comfy cells, with all amenities and humanity at the forefront, then to end up spending just half their sentence in prison!

Jeremy Bentham's panoptican may be now a way to go after trying all else with prisons, where they are watched 24 hours a day for the full length of their sentence whilst they contemplate the fact, that should apply now but does not always, crime does not pay!

........perhaps relevant to those who are caught but the regime within the prison system does have an effect on those incarcerated and that effect can have profound consequences on their behaviour upon release.

I reluctantly agree that there may be no realistic alternative to the 'three strikes' system and that any term given, should applied to its fullest extent.

I'm still troubled by this possible solution however, Ms Zoom.