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[Vamps]

the bleeding hearts of the private sector.
none of them were complaing when times were good and the salaries and pensions were better than that of the public sector.
i dont remember them offering parts of there pay rises or bonus to help the public sector

....I don't think that's relevant x-r when we should be concerned that the requirement to fund these overly generous public sector pensions is likely to cause real financial difficulty for the Treasury - and by extension, us - from this point forward.

Do public sector workers not pay for their pensions like anyone else then :-?

...they certainly do M - I did, but HMG contributed a vastly greater proportion to my final salary scheme than a private concern ever would been capable of.

To make up for the crap wages, can't have it always lets see how many offers want to be bin persons :question

Pretty sure binmen in my area earn at least as much as I do.

So join them and get the benefits, your choice..

[Dishevelled Den]

To make up for the crap wages, can't have it always lets see how many offers want to be bin persons :question

...on the contrary M, we had a very generous package and the way council employees are looked after now I'll certainly lift bins

[albitz]

the trillions in debt has not been created by the public sector.
who was it, let me think . oh yes those wonderful people in the greedy private, none productive, private sector.
who is it starving the private sector buisinesses of money to survive and grow.
yes again the private sector

That has happened in most countries but the reason most other countries are pulling out of it faster than us is because they dont have the huge public sector that we do.when GB said we were best placed to come out of it first he was lying ,simple as that.

[Vamps]

To make up for the crap wages, can't have it always lets see how many offers want to be bin persons :question

...on the contrary M, we had a very generous package and the way council employees are looked after now I'll certainly lift bins

My point exactly......

[x.ray]

as always folks its been a pleasure .
another good topic well argued.
thanks
im off i need my beauty sleep and believe me i need it more than most
good night

[albitz]

the bleeding hearts of the private sector.
none of them were complaing when times were good and the salaries and pensions were better than that of the public sector.
i dont remember them offering parts of there pay rises or bonus to help the public sector

....I don't think that's relevant x-r when we should be concerned that the requirement to fund these overly generous public sector pensions is likely to cause real financial difficulty for the Treasury - and by extension, us - from this point forward.

Do public sector workers not pay for their pensions like anyone else then :-?

...they certainly do M - I did, but HMG contributed a vastly greater proportion to my final salary scheme than a private concern ever would been capable of.

To make up for the crap wages, can't have it always lets see how many offers want to be bin persons :question

Pretty sure binmen in my area earn at least as much as I do.

So join them and get the benefits, your choice..

No longer physically able to do so Mike.Otherwise it wouldnt bother me,Im not proud when it comes to earning money.

[Vamps]

the bleeding hearts of the private sector.
none of them were complaing when times were good and the salaries and pensions were better than that of the public sector.
i dont remember them offering parts of there pay rises or bonus to help the public sector

....I don't think that's relevant x-r when we should be concerned that the requirement to fund these overly generous public sector pensions is likely to cause real financial difficulty for the Treasury - and by extension, us - from this point forward.

Do public sector workers not pay for their pensions like anyone else then :-?

...they certainly do M - I did, but HMG contributed a vastly greater proportion to my final salary scheme than a private concern ever would been capable of.

To make up for the crap wages, can't have it always lets see how many offers want to be bin persons :question

Pretty sure binmen in my area earn at least as much as I do.

So join them and get the benefits, your choice..

No longer physically able to do so Mike.Otherwise it wouldnt bother me,Im not proud when it comes to earning money.

I can understand that, having become a disabled person later in life

[Vamps]

link=1253096053/79#79 date=1253144377]as always folks its been a pleasure .
another good topic well argued.
thanks
im off i need my beauty sleep and believe me i need it more than most
good night

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Me too, got to go to bed so good night all..

[albitz]

albs was it gb who was offering people 125% of the value of houses?
was it gb who raised the lending threshold from 2x salary to five times salary.
i dont think so.
it was private sector companies who took risks to earn!!! there big bounuses

He strongly encouraged the banks to do so to create this feelgood factor /nothing can go wrong mindset. h e was the first Labour Chancellor to suck up to the city and make friends in high places etc.
For example,the man in charge of risk at HBOS  blew the whistle,told the board that the lending wasnt sustainable and that the train was going to hit the buffers.The top man at HBOS  sacked him and called him a liar.Shortly after this GB put the bloke who sacked the whistleblower in at the FSA in 2nd in command (1st in command was a figurehead post).These things are never as simple as the tabloids and the BBC portray them.
The Banks have been about the only industry in this country making any serious money in recent years and when the stock market recovers ,the country will recover with it,not before,its not possible.Its far from a perfect system but the only alternative yet discovered is communism and we know how well that doesnt work.

[albitz]

Goodnight gentlemen,thankyou for a lively debate it has been invigorating,OOF debating society to reconvene at a date yet to be confirmed in the near future.Tomorrow night looks a good bet as I am starting 4 x 15 hour nightshifts,well I have to pay for you public sector workers somehow.