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[Nickbat]

At least the BBC can be relied upon to put the truth last first. 

http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/2010/01/climate-change-smoking-gun.html#links

 

[Varche]

maybe there are people who think that GT Britain would be better out of the EU. But it isn't going to happen. It is too late.

As far as energy bills are concerned, if they were £10,000 a year nothing much would change. Pay would just increase to ensure people had just enough left to survive ( i.e. have their Internet, 200 channels of Tv, big screens, sufficient food to be able to throw away half of what is bought, a car each etc). Who would have thought back in 1970 that engine oil would be twenty times the price or a house would be 25 times more. Lets face it most people are just drones being milked all their lives.   

[Nickbat]

maybe there are people who think that GT Britain would be better out of the EU. But it isn't going to happen. It is too late.

As far as energy bills are concerned, if they were £10,000 a year nothing much would change. Pay would just increase to ensure people had just enough left to survive ( i.e. have their Internet, 200 channels of Tv, big screens, sufficient food to be able to throw away half of what is bought, a car each etc). Who would have thought back in 1970 that engine oil would be twenty times the price or a house would be 25 times more. Lets face it most people are just drones being milked all their lives.   

I beg to disagree that it can't happen. Unlikely, yes, but impossible? No!

I'm reading a book about it at the moment (http://www.greateudebate.com/order/). Definitely "do-able" and certainly in our favour. 

[Nickbat]

maybe there are people who think that GT Britain would be better out of the EU. But it isn't going to happen. It is too late.

As far as energy bills are concerned, if they were £10,000 a year nothing much would change. Pay would just increase to ensure people had just enough left to survive ( i.e. have their Internet, 200 channels of Tv, big screens, sufficient food to be able to throw away half of what is bought, a car each etc). Who would have thought back in 1970 that engine oil would be twenty times the price or a house would be 25 times more. Lets face it most people are just drones being milked all their lives.   

Again, I disagree with your assertion. Obviously wage-inflation would increase, but the net effect of these increased energy charges would result in fuel bills taking a much higher proportion of household and industry income. There would be very severe knock-on effects with regard to fuel poverty, unemployment, tax revenues, public spending...crikey, the list would be endless. Basically, if energy costs are hiked by the levels suggested, it would throw the economy out of balance...horribly out of balance. Civil disturbances would not be out of the question, IMHO.
 

[Varche]

I didn't say it can't happen but that it won't happen. The two are very different. What would be helpful is for the anti EU lobby to get the EU to actually improve its act (there is a lot of room for improvement). Please get asking the questions.

In the world there are two types of people. Those that grow or catch their own food on a daily basis in order to survive. For them money is a rare or non existent commodity. Everyone else (almost without exception) is just part of a huge "economy" and are paid just enough to get by. It is fairly academic what anything actually costs. Some things have gone up in real terms and others have gone down. 

[Nickbat]

The government envisages a third of the UK’s energy coming from wind power by 2020. Cost? £100bn.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natural_resources/article6973943.ece


Go to this link:
http://www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm

...and scroll down to "Generation By Fuel Type (table)"

Wind energy in the last 24 hours? 0.4%.

£100bn? What will happen when we have a similar "no wind, bitterly cold period" in the future? It'll won't be much more than 0.4%, but we'll be £100bn poorer.

They're all totally bonkers. 

[Banjax]

kin ell Nickbat its just you with Zulu egging you on now - please try to relax m8 enjoy some of the New Year before you do yourself an injury 

and Mr Zulu - kindly stop encouraging him - you know what he's like before the meds kick in 

Varche is right by the way 

[Nickbat]

kin ell Nickbat its just you with Zulu egging you on now - please try to relax m8 enjoy some of the New Year before you do yourself an injury 

and Mr Zulu - kindly stop encouraging him - you know what he's like before the meds kick in 

Varche is right by the way 

1) Zulu's not egging me on. I'm quite capable of independent thought. 

2) I'm quite relaxed thank you very much.

I'm concerned about the twits that run this country. Hopefully, this year will bring about a complete change and we will once again be able to look forward to a bright future, for oursleves and our children.

Happy New Year, Banjax.

[jereboam]

kin ell Nickbat its just you with Zulu egging you on now - please try to relax m8 enjoy some of the New Year before you do yourself an injury 

and Mr Zulu - kindly stop encouraging him - you know what he's like before the meds kick in 

Varche is right by the way 

1) Zulu's not egging me on. I'm quite capable of independent thought. 

2) I'm quite relaxed thank you very much.

I'm concerned about the twits that run this country. Hopefully, this year will bring about a complete change and we will once again be able to look forward to a bright future, for oursleves and our children.

Happy New Year, Banjax.

I have a very low opinion of this Government, and an even lower opinion of its current leader.  I detest the whole lot of them from grinning Bliar, slimy Mandelson, bouncer Balls to potato man Brown, tinkerbell whatever-her-name-was, the northern midget and devious, constable-baiting Straw.  The sooner they're gone, the better.

I used to think that anything would be an improvement.  So why am I not deliriously happy at the thought that in 6 months time we will most likely have a Cameron-led government?

Wish I knew the answer.

Wind power? If we rely on that, we'll be looking back fondly on the days when we thought it was going to get warmer as we huddle round the burning embers of our recently dismantled fitted kitchen/wardrobe/bookshelves waiting in vain for the family cat to finish roasting so we can get some protein.   

EU? Utterly irrelevent.  We Brits can balls it up all on our own, without any assistance from a bunch of foreigners.

[jaykay]

An ever expanding population with ever increasing wants, needs, desires, you name it.  All this "funded" from a planet with finite resources.

Why have the government (not necessarily the current one) built gas-fired power stations knowing that north sea gas is a finite resouce.

I think that matters will come to a head in the next ten years.  What will happen is anybody's guess. 

[Dishevelled Den]

kin ell Nickbat its just you with Zulu egging you on now - please try to relax m8 enjoy some of the New Year before you do yourself an injury 

and Mr Zulu - kindly stop encouraging him - you know what he's like before the meds kick in 

Varche is right by the way 

Bj, Nick is more than capable of making determinations based on his research without my encouragement.

For the most part I'm more than happy to agree with his well founded analysis so am content to make these comments to show that approbation.

Furthermore I don't 'egg' people on - if there's work to be done I'm more than capable of putting myself up without exploiting others.

I also happen to think that we are fortunate to have individuals such as Nick who take the time to share his concerns on here as the matter of AGW in particular, and its inherent consequences, will prove to be expensive and very disruptive for all - including members of this forum.

[Dishevelled Den]

I didn't say it can't happen but that it won't happen. The two are very different. What would be helpful is for the anti EU lobby to get the EU to actually improve its act (there is a lot of room for improvement). Please get asking the questions.

In the world there are two types of people. Those that grow or catch their own food on a daily basis in order to survive. For them money is a rare or non existent commodity. Everyone else (almost without exception) is just part of a huge "economy" and are paid just enough to get by. It is fairly academic what anything actually costs. Some things have gone up in real terms and others have gone down. 

 Please get asking the questions.



Many questions have been asked V but they have invariably fallen upon deaf ears.

The EU is inherently anti-democratic, its recent malevolent meddling in the constitutional referendum in the Irish Republic concerning the Lisbon Treaty shows that this leviathan refuses to have its will subverted - even when that dissatisfaction and disagreement are expressed by way of the democratic process.

An 'act' like this one can never removed from the stage as the offering in question is now there by dint of custom and practice.  Furthermore, the price demanded for admittance to and continued participation in this comedy of excess now seems to have ballooned out of all proportion to the production value of the original concept.



It is fairly academic what anything actually costs.

Not to those, especially pensioners struggling to survive in this bloody country its not.

[Varche]

I didn't say it can't happen but that it won't happen. The two are very different. What would be helpful is for the anti EU lobby to get the EU to actually improve its act (there is a lot of room for improvement). Please get asking the questions.

In the world there are two types of people. Those that grow or catch their own food on a daily basis in order to survive. For them money is a rare or non existent commodity. Everyone else (almost without exception) is just part of a huge "economy" and are paid just enough to get by. It is fairly academic what anything actually costs. Some things have gone up in real terms and others have gone down. 

 Please get asking the questions.



Many questions have been asked V but they have invariably fallen upon deaf ears.

The EU is inherently anti-democratic, its recent malevolent meddling in the constitutional referendum in the Irish Republic concerning the Lisbon Treaty shows that this leviathan refuses to have its will subverted - even when that dissatisfaction and disagreement are expressed by way of the democratic process.

An 'act' like this one can never removed from the stage as the offering in question is now there by dint of custom and practice.  Furthermore, the price demanded for admittance to and continued participation in this comedy of excess now seems to have ballooned out of all proportion to the production value of the original concept.



It is fairly academic what anything actually costs.

Not to those, especially pensioners struggling to survive in this bloody country its not.

[/highlight]

Don't disagree with you. It is high time the link to earnings and not to RPI,CPI or whatever cra* measure the encumbent government (Cons and Lab are both as bad as each other for not fixing it) was restored. In other EU countries e.g. Spain you retire at 65 (and stop earning any money) and get paid  a pension about half your fianl salary and not some poxy figure that bears no resemblance to outgoings. Spain is not alone in looking after its pensioners in the EU. One of our neighbours is aghast at what "RICH BRITAIN", his words not mine, actually pays its pensioners. 

By the way has anyone actually asked their MEP any questions. Make them work for their money!!