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[Nickbat]

The EU's Non-Road Mobile Machinery (NRMM) Directive kicks in by the end of 2011.

“The NRMM Directive brings tighter emissions standards that will require locomotives to be fitted with a less nitrogen oxide and particulate emitting power unit that currently doesn’t exist. The larger cooler system required leaves a big question mark over whether such a power unit would even fit into existing locomotives due to the UK’s restrictive loading gauge.

“The whole thing is a mess and a great concern for anyone operating Class 66 locos.”

http://www.fta.co.uk/news/item/eu-directive-threatens-rail-freight-market-warns-fta

Wake up everyone! The EU is NOT a UK-friendly organisation.

[Dishevelled Den]

This is, to my mind at least, the natural consequence of having laws formulated by those who are unelected - in terms of the legislative elite – and of those who hold themselves unaccountable to the voting public.

A further consequence of rule by closed session deals and manoeuvring by those who also desire to occupy the seat of power at all costs.

Still, if PR is shoved down the collective throats of the befuddled masses here we will have to get used to it - not!!

 

[Varche]

Ah but were we Brits represented at the EU negotiations or were our guys sat neatly on the fence watching from afar.

The solution to this problem will be easy anyway. Our PM will just send half a dozen mythical carbon trading units to Brussels and thus negotiate an exemption for Bt Britain. Wait a minute we haven't got a real Prime minister.

Welcome back Zulu, your presence has been missed!

[Dishevelled Den]

Ah but were we Brits represented at the EU negotiations or were our guys sat neatly on the fence watching from afar.
The solution to this problem will be easy anyway. Our PM will just send half a dozen mythical carbon trading units to Brussels and thus negotiate an exemption for Bt Britain. Wait a minute we haven't got a real Prime minister.

Welcome back Zulu, your presence has been missed!

or were our guys sat neatly on the fence watching from afar

With the plethora of dubious and unchallangeable legislation that has been spawned by the EU over the years I wouldn't be at all surprised that that was the case

Welcome back Zulu

Thank you very much, V

[Martin_1962]

Not a ban on clag

But then it might mean less Sheds

[Sir Tigger KC]

Sod the trains, what about my lawnmower??? 

[ChevetteNick]

This directive was first announced in 2004 so it's not like they've had 5 mins to think of a solution. As per usual in this country it's left to the last minute so it costs a damn sight more to fix instead of tackling the problem straight away.

The EU is NOT a UK-friendly organisation.

It could also be said that the UK is not always an EU friendly organisation

[albitz]

This directive was first announced in 2004 so it's not like they've had 5 mins to think of a solution. As per usual in this country it's left to the last minute so it costs a damn sight more to fix instead of tackling the problem straight away.

The EU is NOT a UK-friendly organisation.

It could also be said that the UK is not always an EU friendly organisation

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And I sincerely hope it never is.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Sounds like they just need a big EGR valve.

I am not sure how they can force it onto existing units....new build I guess could be covered

[2woody]

whilst I hate the EU and everything it stands for, I have absolutely no sympathy for the train operators.

everybody else who operates such engines have to meet and have done so far. It is technically possible and within the size constraints. If I can do it with an MBT, I'm sure they can do it with that engine.

In fact, there are others on the market already.

but the question is why would they want to ? The NRMM Directive is not retrospective - i.e. it only applies to new equipment made after the implementation date. I should know, I was on the working party that set it up !

[kevinminton]

I'm not clear why the rail haulage industry is portrayed as being taken by surprise by the Directive. Is there something else going on here?

I have had some dealings with the NRMM Directive and its influence on construction equipment (excavators etc).

A few years ago, I attended an number of meetings at which we were shown plenty of examples of how the rail engine industry had adapted to progressive changes in emission standards, whilst also keeping up with noise, efficiency etc. This was to show the laggards in construction how it could be done.

This is hardly a new thing. The original directive was 1997 or so? And has gone forward with standards progressively set  for (in this case) over 8 years ahead.

BTW, JCB have announced that they have an engine that meets the 2011 emission requirement for construction equipment without needing DPFs - an example of a UK manufacturing company that (rather than complaining) has adopted the single market principals, and is leading its European competition.

(And no, I don't work for them).

K

[2woody]

Couldn't agree more. They'd be better off taking a lead instead.

the only way we're going to be free of this stuff is to vote in a Government that won't just follow EU policy regardless.

Lisbon Treaty anyone ?