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[cem_devecioglu]

i agree with king cem - tell you what - cut down the trees, dig out the plants, roll up the grass and concrete the lot, let nature never darken your door again........the impudence   

 

[cem_devecioglu]

Being a bit of a softie I dont like the thought of killing any animal (though Id never go without a bacon butty of course!), but pests obviously need to be dealt with and the grey can be a pest. Totally agree however that the method of killing should be as quick as posssible to avoid any unnnecessary suffering. As someone once told me in the pet trade when having to get rid of those animals who were too sick, thats why  all small animals have tails and all pet shops a brick wall. Smashing the heads against said wall may be quick but is now, of course, illegal so that to dispose of the sickly mice/hamsters etc youve bought for 50p you now have to take them to the vet for a lethal injection and a yellow bag disposal at whatever the cost is now.
ps-anyone up for a philosophical debate as to HOW animals feel pain ie us humans have a concept of "self"
,sort of "I think therefore I am" to quote Descartes, so when we feel pain we recognize it as harm being done to our "self". But do animals-even the smart ones like dolphins-have that concept? Do they simply "experience" pain or do they too  recognize that it is happening to "them"? Ah well, just a thought... :-/

by classification all mammals including squirrels and rats have a complex nerve systems and comparing dna's, similiarity with human is %97..And they are very conscious about death..

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2352-just-25-of-dna-turns-mice-into-men.html



I see some members dont give importance to them and deciding how to kill

thats unacceptable for me, so I wont post in that thread anymore..

[jerry]

I do remember many moons ago an artist/writer mate making an anti-cruelty film about pork pies. He actually conned Bowyers or someone into giving him some promo material too! Anyway, the most memorable/moving  bit was him narrating a list of all the more "unsavoury" parts of a pig that go into a pork pie over footage of pigs going to the slaughter and their screams and obvious terror-to me it showed that these animals definately knew what was coming!

[Banjax]

i agree with king cem - tell you what - cut down the trees, dig out the plants, roll up the grass and concrete the lot, let nature never darken your door again........the impudence   

The point you're missing is that it is because there has been tampering with the natural balance through the introduction of grey squirrels (as with cane toads in Australia) that we have this situation. It's got nothing to do with cutting down trees, concreting etc., etc. But you knew that didn't you? 

ah yes, Nickbat the conservationist......i thought us humans had little effect tho? besides the only threat from grey squirrels is to reds, and since you have none down there..................

Twisting and turning as usual, bj. Yes, I AM a conservationist in the broad sense of the term. And I have NEVER said that humanity has no effect on the environment. Of course it does, just not the catastrophic climate change so favoured by the  dim-witted.

You always try to slur me. I just don't understand why. :-?

how's accusing you of being a conservationis a slur? its not a role i see you excelling in to be blunt, next you'll be out supporting the hunt on "conservation" grounds no doubt 

but anyway, be glad they chose your bountiful garden and the fruit's not going to waste...just enjoy nature.........man

[Bent valve]

I love my garden, it is heaving with all sorts of wildlife including squirrels, wood pigeons and the odd engine,old motorbike ect. I dont have a problem with them. I imagine its the garden gnome, fake wishing well types with their poxy twee gardens c/w neat borders that consider these creatures to be pests
Chill out and leave the poor buggers alone!

[Richie London]

I love my garden, it is heaving with all sorts of wildlife including squirrels, wood pigeons and the odd engine,old motorbike ect. I dont have a problem with them. I imagine its the garden gnome, fake wishing well types with their poxy twee gardens c/w neat borders that consider these creatures to be pests
Chill out and leave the poor buggers alone!

grey squirrel are classified as vermin. so i was told by the rentokil bloke who set traps in my loft for the  squirells that destroyed the roof felt and caused water to leak trhough costing a lot of money in repairs.

Squirrels are primary carriers of tick fever, powassan virus and rabies.

Tick fever is a virus that results in, obviously, a fever, chills, headache, eye pain, muscle pain, nausea and vomiting. Tick fever can be a severe illness, especially in children and the elderly.

Powassan virus can cause severe encephalitis in humans and has up to a 60 percent fatality in squirrels. Infected humans may experience sleepiness, disorientation and become semicomatose.

Rabies, a virus, progressively paralyzes and can kill any mammal, including humans. Rabies is generally contracted through contact with an infected squirrel through biting. Though humans should avoid contact with any squirrels, if a squirrel seems especially fearless around humans, it could be infected

[Bent valve]

I love my garden, it is heaving with all sorts of wildlife including squirrels, wood pigeons and the odd engine,old motorbike ect. I dont have a problem with them. I imagine its the garden gnome, fake wishing well types with their poxy twee gardens c/w neat borders that consider these creatures to be pests
Chill out and leave the poor buggers alone!

grey squirrel are classified as vermin. so i was told by the rentokil bloke who set traps in my loft for the  squirells that destroyed the roof felt and caused water to leak trhough costing a lot of money in repairs.

Squirrels are primary carriers of tick fever, powassan virus and rabies.
Tick fever is a virus that results in, obviously, a fever, chills, headache, eye pain, muscle pain, nausea and vomiting. Tick fever can be a severe illness, especially in children and the elderly.

Powassan virus can cause severe encephalitis in humans and has up to a 60 percent fatality in squirrels. Infected humans may experience sleepiness, disorientation and become semicomatose.

Rabies, a virus, progressively paralyzes and can kill any mammal, including humans. Rabies is generally contracted through contact with an infected squirrel through biting. Though humans should avoid contact with any squirrels, if a squirrel seems especially fearless around humans, it could be infected

Do you actually believe that?

[Entwood]

I love my garden, it is heaving with all sorts of wildlife including squirrels, wood pigeons and the odd engine,old motorbike ect. I dont have a problem with them. I imagine its the garden gnome, fake wishing well types with their poxy twee gardens c/w neat borders that consider these creatures to be pests
Chill out and leave the poor buggers alone!

grey squirrel are classified as vermin. so i was told by the rentokil bloke who set traps in my loft for the  squirells that destroyed the roof felt and caused water to leak trhough costing a lot of money in repairs.

Squirrels are primary carriers of tick fever, powassan virus and rabies.

Tick fever is a virus that results in, obviously, a fever, chills, headache, eye pain, muscle pain, nausea and vomiting. Tick fever can be a severe illness, especially in children and the elderly.

Powassan virus can cause severe encephalitis in humans and has up to a 60 percent fatality in squirrels. Infected humans may experience sleepiness, disorientation and become semicomatose.

Rabies, a virus, progressively paralyzes and can kill any mammal, including humans. Rabies is generally contracted through contact with an infected squirrel through biting. Though humans should avoid contact with any squirrels, if a squirrel seems especially fearless around humans, it could be infected

As there are NO carriers of rabies in this country .. that  statement has just destroyed your argument totally. UK is, and has been "rabies free" since 1902 .. all reported cases since then have been acquired overseas.

Rabies is usually contracted from dogs.

I care not of the entrenched arguments about the squirrel .. but I do care about accurate, factual information .. not scaremongering, headline grabbing fantasies. ... especially from such highly trustworthy sources as "the rentokil bloke" .. please .. at least do some research before making farcical statements

http://www.hpa.org.uk/Topics/InfectiousDiseases/InfectionsAZ/Rabies/GeneralInformation/ClassicalRabiesFAQs

[Richie London]

I love my garden, it is heaving with all sorts of wildlife including squirrels, wood pigeons and the odd engine,old motorbike ect. I dont have a problem with them. I imagine its the garden gnome, fake wishing well types with their poxy twee gardens c/w neat borders that consider these creatures to be pests
Chill out and leave the poor buggers alone!

grey squirrel are classified as vermin. so i was told by the rentokil bloke who set traps in my loft for the  squirells that destroyed the roof felt and caused water to leak trhough costing a lot of money in repairs.

Squirrels are primary carriers of tick fever, powassan virus and rabies.

Tick fever is a virus that results in, obviously, a fever, chills, headache, eye pain, muscle pain, nausea and vomiting. Tick fever can be a severe illness, especially in children and the elderly.

Powassan virus can cause severe encephalitis in humans and has up to a 60 percent fatality in squirrels. Infected humans may experience sleepiness, disorientation and become semicomatose.

Rabies, a virus, progressively paralyzes and can kill any mammal, including humans. Rabies is generally contracted through contact with an infected squirrel through biting. Though humans should avoid contact with any squirrels, if a squirrel seems especially fearless around humans, it could be infected

As there are NO carriers of rabies in this country .. that  statement has just destroyed your argument totally. UK is, and has been "rabies free" since 1902 .. all reported cases since then have been acquired overseas.

Rabies is usually contracted from dogs.

I care not of the entrenched arguments about the squirrel .. but I do care about accurate, factual information .. not scaremongering, headline grabbing fantasies. ... especially from such highly trustworthy sources as "the rentokil bloke" .. please .. at least do some research before making farcical statements

http://www.hpa.org.uk/Topics/InfectiousDiseases/InfectionsAZ/Rabies/GeneralInformation/ClassicalRabiesFAQs

your not all there entwood, what are you on about scaremongering and headline grabbing fantasies, get a life for break sake.  if someone comes to my house to destroy squirels in my loft, and that man is trained to destroy them, if he tells me what diseases they can carry who am i to disbelieve him, im a carpenter not a pest control specialist, if so i would of got rid of them myself.

[Entwood]

You had the ability to find and cut/paste the info on "tick fever, powassan virus and rabies" ... I'm sure you could have actually researched the information .. or did your "rentokill bloke" tell you all that stuff ?? If so .. you have a damned good memory ..   

[Chimpchoker]

I love animals, but pests are pests. This year, I'll have no pears from my pear tree, no cherries from my cherry tree and no strawberries from my planters.

Why?

Grey squirrels, a feisty young one in particular.

Luckily, though, I didn't take it upon myself to rid myself of the problem the way this chap did.

What are your opinions?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/7898494/Hundreds-face-fines-for-killing-squirrels.html 

Air rifle then either skin and stew it or sell it for £3.00 a go to many butchers if you have a good few of them.

[Varche]

I love animals, but pests are pests. This year, I'll have no pears from my pear tree, no cherries from my cherry tree and no strawberries from my planters.

Why?

Grey squirrels, a feisty young one in particular.

Luckily, though, I didn't take it upon myself to rid myself of the problem the way this chap did.

What are your opinions?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/7898494/Hundreds-face-fines-for-killing-squirrels.html 

Air rifle then either skin and stew it or sell it for £3.00 a go to many butchers if you have a good few of them.

mm Squirrel paella and sangria. Lovely

[cruisetopoland]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-10725024