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Re: Spitfire and Mustang (?) over WIM
« Reply #30 on: 21 August 2010, 12:30:41 »

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This is a pic of the spitfire and the hurricane that were over London yesterday.


What a fantastic, beautiful picture that is Rich!! :-* :-* :-* :-* 8-) 8-)
When words become redundant............................... ::) ::) ::)

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Re: Spitfire and Mustang (?) over WIM
« Reply #31 on: 21 August 2010, 12:37:21 »

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Could have been a 109 check the foot print in the link

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.aviapress.com/engl/icm/icm72131_1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.aviapress.com/viewonekit.htm%3FICM-72131&usg=__SvMz5td8c_6iv-5oJ-9o53nnthg=&h=236&w=400&sz=16&hl=en&start=59&zoom=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=cnNjgisEWPVjAM:&tbnh=73&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dww2%2Bfighter%2Bme%2B109%26start%3D40%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26ndsp%3D20%26tbs%3Disch:1

If you are refering to the duo flying around yesterday, unfortunately, it was not a 109 !!! :y
When you have been weaned on airfields and aircraft as I was with a RAF daddy, plus thousands of hours on Flight Sims, you get to recognise most aircraft from engine sounds alone.
If you are an aircraft buff, you will know that already. ;D
Where you are, like me, you must see a variety of types, out from White  Waltham, Wycombe Air Park....and not least Heathrow.
Contra Rotating props were/are fitted to a number of long range aircraft, like the Fairey Gannet, and the outstanding maritime aircraft, the Avro Shackleton.
Once on patrol, these aircraft shut down one prop on the engine to maintain a longer range and time in the air.
Contra's on spits (PR) were for the same reason and also  speed combined with the clipped wing ;)

Yes indeed, and they often shut down one or more engines complete for training or other purposes - as I witnessed when I lived in Malta when they flew over the Grand Harbour ;) ;).
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Re: Spitfire and Mustang (?) over WIM
« Reply #32 on: 21 August 2010, 12:38:27 »

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Couple of links show Contra props :y

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=FbgpH2nrn-A&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ8BUNJYtOo




Also notice 'Clipped Wing'


I bet that is fitted with a Griffon engine. We had four of them on Shacks.
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Re: Spitfire and Mustang (?) over WIM
« Reply #33 on: 21 August 2010, 13:00:02 »

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Could have been a 109 check the foot print in the link

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.aviapress.com/engl/icm/icm72131_1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.aviapress.com/viewonekit.htm%3FICM-72131&usg=__SvMz5td8c_6iv-5oJ-9o53nnthg=&h=236&w=400&sz=16&hl=en&start=59&zoom=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=cnNjgisEWPVjAM:&tbnh=73&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dww2%2Bfighter%2Bme%2B109%26start%3D40%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26ndsp%3D20%26tbs%3Disch:1

If you are refering to the duo flying around yesterday, unfortunately, it was not a 109 !!! :y
When you have been weaned on airfields and aircraft as I was with a RAF daddy, plus thousands of hours on Flight Sims, you get to recognise most aircraft from engine sounds alone.
If you are an aircraft buff, you will know that already. ;D
Where you are, Chris, like me, you must see a variety of types, out from White  Waltham, Wycombe Air Park....and not least Heathrow.
Contra Rotating props were/are fitted to a number of long range aircraft, like the Fairey Gannet, and the outstanding maritime aircraft, the Avro Shackleton.
Once on patrol, these aircraft shut down one prop on the engine to maintain a longer range and time in the air.
Contra's on spits (PR) were for the same reason and also  speed combined with the clipped wing ;)


You must be joking! In any case it was not possible to 'shut down' one propeller, they were linked by interconnector gears. I have 4000 hours on Shacks and we were grateful if the donks didn't stop on their own, without us encouraging them. Mk1's could certainly fly on one at very light weights, and certainly one would be feathered for training in assymetric flying, landings and overshoots. The last version, Mk 3 Phase three, was much heavier (Max AUW of 104,000lbs IIRC as opposed to about 86,000lbs of the Mk11's) It was fitted with two Viper jet engines running on Avgas in the nacelles of the outboard Griffons to assist on heavy take-offs. Unfortunately, at high AUW's in hot climates, it became necessary to use the Vipers in the cruise to maintain level flight, and consequently reduced range due high fuel consumption in this mode.

Your comment regarding shutting down engines to extend range did however apply to the Nimrod, and we used to shut down up to two engines as the weight reduced. I had an interesting engine failure just after shutting down the second engine on one occasion during a bombing run, and was impressed that with full power on the remaining Spey, our initial climb rate from 1000' amsl was 6000' per minute, with the bomb doors open adding drag. Quite a difference to the old Shacks! :y
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Re: Spitfire and Mustang (?) over WIM
« Reply #34 on: 21 August 2010, 13:42:12 »

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Could have been a 109 check the foot print in the link

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.aviapress.com/engl/icm/icm72131_1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.aviapress.com/viewonekit.htm%3FICM-72131&usg=__SvMz5td8c_6iv-5oJ-9o53nnthg=&h=236&w=400&sz=16&hl=en&start=59&zoom=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=cnNjgisEWPVjAM:&tbnh=73&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dww2%2Bfighter%2Bme%2B109%26start%3D40%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26ndsp%3D20%26tbs%3Disch:1

If you are refering to the duo flying around yesterday, unfortunately, it was not a 109 !!! :y
When you have been weaned on airfields and aircraft as I was with a RAF daddy, plus thousands of hours on Flight Sims, you get to recognise most aircraft from engine sounds alone.
If you are an aircraft buff, you will know that already. ;D
Where you are, Chris, like me, you must see a variety of types, out from White  Waltham, Wycombe Air Park....and not least Heathrow.
Contra Rotating props were/are fitted to a number of long range aircraft, like the Fairey Gannet, and the outstanding maritime aircraft, the Avro Shackleton.
Once on patrol, these aircraft shut down one prop on the engine to maintain a longer range and time in the air.
Contra's on spits (PR) were for the same reason and also  speed combined with the clipped wing ;)


The 109 is AFAIK a Spanish built one with a Merlin
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Re: Spitfire and Mustang (?) over WIM
« Reply #35 on: 21 August 2010, 14:18:24 »

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Could have been a 109 check the foot print in the link

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.aviapress.com/engl/icm/icm72131_1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.aviapress.com/viewonekit.htm%3FICM-72131&usg=__SvMz5td8c_6iv-5oJ-9o53nnthg=&h=236&w=400&sz=16&hl=en&start=59&zoom=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=cnNjgisEWPVjAM:&tbnh=73&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dww2%2Bfighter%2Bme%2B109%26start%3D40%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26ndsp%3D20%26tbs%3Disch:1

If you are refering to the duo flying around yesterday, unfortunately, it was not a 109 !!! :y
When you have been weaned on airfields and aircraft as I was with a RAF daddy, plus thousands of hours on Flight Sims, you get to recognise most aircraft from engine sounds alone.
If you are an aircraft buff, you will know that already. ;D
Where you are, Chris, like me, you must see a variety of types, out from White  Waltham, Wycombe Air Park....and not least Heathrow.
Contra Rotating props were/are fitted to a number of long range aircraft, like the Fairey Gannet, and the outstanding maritime aircraft, the Avro Shackleton.
Once on patrol, these aircraft shut down one prop on the engine to maintain a longer range and time in the air.
Contra's on spits (PR) were for the same reason and also  speed combined with the clipped wing ;)


You must be joking! In any case it was not possible to 'shut down' one propeller, they were linked by interconnector gears. I have 4000 hours on Shacks and we were grateful if the donks didn't stop on their own, without us encouraging them. Mk1's could certainly fly on one at very light weights, and certainly one would be feathered for training in assymetric flying, landings and overshoots. The last version, Mk 3 Phase three, was much heavier (Max AUW of 104,000lbs IIRC as opposed to about 86,000lbs of the Mk11's) It was fitted with two Viper jet engines running on Avgas in the nacelles of the outboard Griffons to assist on heavy take-offs. Unfortunately, at high AUW's in hot climates, it became necessary to use the Vipers in the cruise to maintain level flight, and consequently reduced range due high fuel consumption in this mode.

Your comment regarding shutting down engines to extend range did however apply to the Nimrod, and we used to shut down up to two engines as the weight reduced. I had an interesting engine failure just after shutting down the second engine on one occasion during a bombing run, and was impressed that with full power on the remaining Spey, our initial climb rate from 1000' amsl was 6000' per minute, with the bomb doors open adding drag. Quite a difference to the old Shacks! :y


As I mentioned before I used to see Shackletons flying over the Grand Harbour, Malta during 1961 to 1964, with one or two engines shut down, so I was seeing what you describe including unexpected shut downs!

The sight and sound, along with the flashing of their aldis lamps signaling to the Royal Navy Command Centre overlooking the Harbour near to the Upper Balcony, I will never forget!! :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*  Exciting and wonderfull days! 8-) 8-)
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Re: Spitfire and Mustang (?) over WIM
« Reply #36 on: 21 August 2010, 16:42:26 »

Cut it out Lizzie....I'm drooling like the clappers... ;D ;D
And also shedding tears at the memories of seeing a once beautiful Shack being trashed for fire practice on Benson Aerodrome :( :( :( :( :(

And for you Lizzie.... :y


http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=dEZHefUMiKY&feature=related
« Last Edit: 21 August 2010, 16:45:35 by terbert1 »
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Re: Spitfire and Mustang (?) over WIM
« Reply #37 on: 21 August 2010, 17:16:38 »

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Cut it out Lizzie....I'm drooling like the clappers... ;D ;D
And also shedding tears at the memories of seeing a once beautiful Shack being trashed for fire practice on Benson Aerodrome :( :( :( :( :(

And for you Lizzie.... :y

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=dEZHefUMiKY&feature=related

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y

Wonderful, wonderful, damn lovely, beautiful sights, sounds and memories Terbert!  More memories of my Royal Navy Chief Yeoman of Signals father standing beside me and reading the signals being given out by aldis lamp!! :'( :'( :'( :-* :-* :-* 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Thanks Terbert :D :D :D ;).
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Re: Spitfire and Mustang (?) over WIM
« Reply #38 on: 21 August 2010, 23:10:06 »

That takes me back! Great sound.
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