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Restrospective planning
« on: 17 September 2010, 12:31:09 »

Has anyone had experience of this facility being abused?

I have just been through the full Local Authority process to gain a Lawful Development Certificate for work I will be carrying out. Yet, it would seem that others cannot be bothered and just go ahead with a huge brick-built monstrosity in their garden (which does not comply with the regulations concerning size/boundaries) and, when questioned, says it's just a summer house and he will apply for permission retrospectively.

Yeah, right. >:(
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Re: Restrospective planning
« Reply #1 on: 17 September 2010, 12:48:01 »

Welcome to the New Britain where the mantra 'opps you Jack I'm alright' has supplanted common courtesy and decency and where local government is about as useful as teats on a bull.
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Re: Restrospective planning
« Reply #2 on: 17 September 2010, 13:03:02 »

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Has anyone had experience of this facility being abused?

I have just been through the full Local Authority process to gain a Lawful Development Certificate for work I will be carrying out. Yet, it would seem that others cannot be bothered and just go ahead with a huge brick-built monstrosity in their garden (which does not comply with the regulations concerning size/boundaries) and, when questioned, says it's just a summer house and he will apply for permission retrospectively.

Yeah, right. >:(

You would be surprised as to just what you can build without planning in your rear garden.
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Re: Restrospective planning
« Reply #3 on: 17 September 2010, 13:31:48 »

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Has anyone had experience of this facility being abused?

I have just been through the full Local Authority process to gain a Lawful Development Certificate for work I will be carrying out. Yet, it would seem that others cannot be bothered and just go ahead with a huge brick-built monstrosity in their garden (which does not comply with the regulations concerning size/boundaries) and, when questioned, says it's just a summer house and he will apply for permission retrospectively.

Yeah, right. >:(

You would be surprised as to just what you can build without planning in your rear garden.

Yes, I am surprised, but I have also checked and you cannot build  a garden structure within one metre of a neighbour's boundary and if you build within two metres, the structure cannot be more than 2.5m in height. The building I have in sight is built right up against the boundaries and is at least 3m high.  :o   
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Re: Restrospective planning
« Reply #4 on: 17 September 2010, 13:34:58 »

My worry, apart form its unsightliness, is that it will be used for occupation. It has a brand new shower and kitchen units. If someone lives in it, they will be able to see right into my bedrooms (especially as the gardens rise in elevation. Occupancy is definitely unlawful without planning.
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Re: Restrospective planning
« Reply #5 on: 17 September 2010, 13:54:34 »

Indeed occupancy is unlawful but, if its a summer house then the following applies:

The section below is the latest rendering of the Planning Act - October 2009. We have simply copied it at the moment, but we will translate it into everyday English - with examples -  as soon as possible.

 

Permitted development

Class E
The provision within the curtilage of the dwelling house of —

(a) -  any building or enclosure, swimming or other pool required for a
purpose incidental to the enjoyment of the dwelling house as such, or
the maintenance, improvement or other alteration of such a building or
enclosure; or
(b) - a container used for domestic heating purposes for the storage of
oil or liquid petroleum gas.
Development not permitted

Class E.1 Development is not permitted by Class E if —

(a) - the total area of ground covered by buildings, enclosures and
containers within the curtilage (other than the original dwellinghouse)
would exceed 50% of the total area of the curtilage (excluding the
ground area of the original dwellinghouse);
(b) - any part of the building, enclosure, pool or container would be
situated on land forward of a wall forming the principal elevation of
the original dwellinghouse;
(c) - the building would have more than one storey;
(d) - the height of the building, enclosure or container would exceed—
(i)4 metres in the case of a building with a dual-pitched roof,
(ii) - 2.5 metres in the case of a building, enclosure or container
within 2 metres of the boundary of the curtilage of the dwellinghouse,
or
(iii)3 metres in any other case;
(e) - the height of the eaves of the building would exceed 2.5 metres;
(f) - the building, enclosure, pool or container would be situated within
the curtilage of a listed building;
(g) - it would include the construction or provision of a veranda,
balcony or raised platform;
(h) - it relates to a dwelling or a microwave antenna; or
(i)  - the capacity of the container would exceed 3,500 litres.
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For Revision

 

Your House is a listed building.
If the fence, wall or gate, is next to a highway used for vehicles (a footpath is part of the highway)  - over 1m height requires permission.
Where it is not next to a highway, any fence gate or wall over 2m will require permission.
Hedges or trees - to whatever height - do not require planning permission! (Even if they are next to a highway.) You will need to check that there were or are no restrictions on your property though: such as those that apply to 'open plan' estates.
There are restrictions however under the 1980 highways act >>>>>
Highways act 1980 - summary
Section 136. The Highways Authority may request a court order for pruning, if the highway is being damaged by the exclusion of the sun due to a hedge or tree.
Section 138. It is an offence to plant a hedge without the Highways Authorities permission.
Section 141. It is an offence to plant a tree within 15ft of the centre of the carriageway. This is subject to S64, S96 and S142.
Section 142. The Highways Authority may grant a license to a member of the public allowing them to plant and maintain vegetation near the highway.
Section 154. The Highways Authority may serve a notice requiring the pruning of vegetation which obstructs the passage of vehicles, the view of drivers, the light from a street lamp, etc to be cut. This section also covers the ordering of the removal of dangerous trees which may threaten the users of the road. The work should be carried out within 14 days.
Patios & Driveways & Garden Buildings/Structures

If you live in a house! (There are different rules for flats and maisonettes)

If you live in a house, there are no planning restrictions for any size area of patio or other hard standing - providing that it is for 'domestic' purposes - for the rear garden. You can concrete the whole lot over if you want.
However, if you build a new driveway which will cross a pavement or verge, then you will need the permission of your council's Highways Department.
From 1 October 2008 there are new rules for householders if you want to pave over your front gardens.
You will NOT need planning permission if a new driveway uses or porous surfacing which allows water to drain through. This will include surfacing such as gravel, shingle, permeable concrete, block paving or porous asphalt. Also if the rainwater is directed to a nearby lawn or border to drain naturally. HOWEVER - If the surface to be covered is more than five square metres planning permission will be needed for laying traditional, impermeable driveways that do not control rainwater running off onto roads.
You will also need Highways Dept.  permission and possibly planning permission if you wish to make a new or wider access onto a trunk or other classified road.
You do not need Planning Permission for a garden shed or summer house **
or a swimming pool **
or tennis courts **
or greenhouse **
or sauna cabin **
or dog's kennel or other animal enclosure! **
or a garden pond **
You will need permission for a domestic oil storage tank - or other such container - if the capacity is more than 3,500L. or if it is more than 3m high.
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Re: Restrospective planning
« Reply #6 on: 17 September 2010, 14:16:13 »

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Has anyone had experience of this facility being abused?

I have just been through the full Local Authority process to gain a Lawful Development Certificate for work I will be carrying out. Yet, it would seem that others cannot be bothered and just go ahead with a huge brick-built monstrosity in their garden (which does not comply with the regulations concerning size/boundaries) and, when questioned, says it's just a summer house and he will apply for permission retrospectively.

Yeah, right. >:(

You would be surprised as to just what you can build without planning in your rear garden.



We are fortunate to have a significant piece of land with our house. It is roughly one acre in size and is presently used as garden.

Last year we submitted  outline plans for half of our land to be used for the development of a four bed detached house with a double garage....... Sadly..... :'( :'( We would not be financially able to build this house ourselves ......but were hoping to sell the land with full planning permission for somebody else to build on ..(a builder perhaps?).....We were refused planning permission ......on the grounds that the new property would be "outside the boundary of the local curtilage"..... :-/ :-/ :-/...Ba***rds. :( :)...I'm still not exactly sure what that means..... ;)

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Re: Restrospective planning
« Reply #7 on: 17 September 2010, 14:21:43 »

I guess you are in a rural location and the new build would of been considered to have been outside of the natural boundary of the connerbation.

There are a number of safe guards in place to help protect the smaller, older villages and hamlets from development of housing which do not fit within the natural structure and appearance of the area.  :y
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Re: Restrospective planning
« Reply #8 on: 17 September 2010, 14:28:48 »

Thanks, Mark.

It definitely contravenes:

(ii) - 2.5 metres in the case of a building, enclosure or container within 2 metres of the boundary of the curtilage of the dwellinghouse...

It's a major build with cavity walls. It has also been built above what was originally a council-installed culvert which was excavated and fenced off some 40 years ago (following a serious flood). The fencing has long since gone...now the culvert has, too. :o
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Re: Restrospective planning
« Reply #9 on: 17 September 2010, 14:36:33 »

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Thanks, Mark.

It definitely contravenes:

(ii) - 2.5 metres in the case of a building, enclosure or container within 2 metres of the boundary of the curtilage of the dwellinghouse...

It's a major build with cavity walls. It has also been built above what was originally a council-installed culvert which was excavated and fenced off some 40 years ago (following a serious flood). The fencing has long since gone...now the culvert has, too. :o

If its only 2m from the house and greater than 2.5m in height then its naughty naughty.

The cavity walls etc is no worry, you can over engineer your 'shed' as much as you like.

As for the culvert, that, from memory (I helped with a friend who wished to install a small wooden bridge over a water course in his garden) is an issue for the environment agency as they have to approve work which affects any water courses.

Time for some phone calls Nickbat

As for retrospective planning, its not as easy as that either.

As soon as you have planning (if you could get it!) you would then need to prove that it had been built in compliance with the bulding regs, this often involves external holes being dug to check footing depths and ground stability, bricks removed for cavity inspection, holes in internal floors to prove insulation properties etc etc etc.....very iffy.....and if they find anything wrong!

And then there is the water course issue!
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Re: Restrospective planning
« Reply #10 on: 17 September 2010, 14:51:31 »

Indeed, Mark. The only "problem" with the suggested phone-call action, of course, is the possible fall-out with the neighbours (not that I have much to do with them). I guess there are a number of people in the country that have just accepted buildings that clearly adversely affect them, merely to " keep the peace" as it were.

Just a quick point on the 2-metre rule. I think it means within 2m of the curtilage (i.e. the land which is legally associated with the main dwelling), so not necessarily within 2m of the house, which it isn't.
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« Reply #11 on: 17 September 2010, 15:06:16 »

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Indeed, Mark. The only "problem" with the suggested phone-call action, of course, is the possible fall-out with the neighbours (not that I have much to do with them). I guess there are a number of people in the country that have just accepted buildings that clearly adversely affect them, merely to " keep the peace" as it were.

Just a quick point on the 2-metre rule. I think it means within 2m of the curtilage (i.e. the land which is legally associated with the main dwelling), so not necessarily within 2m of the house, which it isn't.

I have always found it pretty loose as to exactly the application of curtilage but yes, the domestic curtilage is generaly the garden and house.
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