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[Darth Loo-knee]

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Get with it Andrew for Goodness Sake your so last Century!!!

last century will do just fine then Darren if it means I don't have to endure a load of half wits trying to impress ...... both sides of the stage. 

  Bloody Victor Meldrew 

[Andy B]

how about this instead? 

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1VEY7ndKCs[/media]

[Lazydocker]

how about this instead? 

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1VEY7ndKCs[/media]

I'm with you on this one Andy... I'd prefer your video to carp factor any time

[Darth Loo-knee]

Just beginning to wonder if you need something to do Andy, as to find such a clip or even look for that clip is rather sad 

[Vamps]

how about this instead? 

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1VEY7ndKCs[/media]

  I must admit though, I did fast forward it in parts....... 

[Darth Loo-knee]

how about this instead? 

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1VEY7ndKCs[/media]

I'm with you on this one Andy... I'd prefer your video to carp factor any time

Hey Lazytinker go and fit some LPG systems or something

[albitz]

Cowell is a great businessman but I hate what he has done to the music business. People used to spend years in the pubs and clubs, cutting their teeth, learning their craft and if they were good enough and had some good luck they would get signed and quite possibly have a long career ahead of them.
Now they go on these shows (from stage school in most cases), and if they do well they will get a short episode on his conveyor belt, before they fall off the end and are replaced by someone else. There are one or two exceptions but they are few and far between.
I honestly dont think the Beatles, Stones etc, wouldnt stand much chance of breaking into the business these days.

[Darth Loo-knee]

Cowell is a great businessman but I hate what he has done to the music business. People used to spend years in the pubs and clubs, cutting their teeth, learning their craft and if they were good enough and had some good luck they would get signed and quite possibly have a long career ahead of them.
Now they go on these shows (from stage school in most cases), and if they do well they will get a short episode on his conveyor belt, before they fall off the end and are replaced by someone else. There are one or two exceptions but they are few and far between.
I honestly dont think the Beatles, Stones etc, wouldnt stand much chance of breaking into the business these days.

I can't understand why you would say that mate? because they were the thing at the time... My daughters both know who each of the Mega Acts you mentioned how many of todays acts will be as popular in 40years.... could Take That be there equivalent today??

[Andy B]

how about this instead? 

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1VEY7ndKCs[/media]

  I must admit though, I did fast forward it in parts....... 

 

[Andy B]

Cowell is a great businessman but I hate what he has done to the music business. People used to spend years in the pubs and clubs, cutting their teeth, learning their craft and if they were good enough and had some good luck they would get signed and quite possibly have a long career ahead of them.
Now they go on these shows (from stage school in most cases), and if they do well they will get a short episode on his conveyor belt, before they fall off the end and are replaced by someone else. There are one or two exceptions but they are few and far between.
I honestly dont think the Beatles, Stones etc, wouldnt stand much chance of breaking into the business these days.

I can't understand why you would say that mate? because they were the thing at the time... My daughters both know who each of the Mega Acts you mentioned how many of todays acts will be as popular in 40years.... could Take That be there equivalent today??

Exactly the point albs was making, The Beatle & The Stones got to where they got on their own merit, not beause they went on the telly cos they wanted to be famous [size=18]NOW[/size]

[Vamps]

Cowell is a great businessman but I hate what he has done to the music business. People used to spend years in the pubs and clubs, cutting their teeth, learning their craft and if they were good enough and had some good luck they would get signed and quite possibly have a long career ahead of them.
Now they go on these shows (from stage school in most cases), and if they do well they will get a short episode on his conveyor belt, before they fall off the end and are replaced by someone else. There are one or two exceptions but they are few and far between.
I honestly dont think the Beatles, Stones etc, wouldnt stand much chance of breaking into the business these days.

I am not sure you can compare directly, these were 'Bands' the artist sang and played instruments, mostly, these new one's are mostly 'prepared, (factory style) singers'........

[Banjax]

I wonder where Simon Cowell thinks all the songs the acts perform come from, and where will they come from in the future if mostly average to good pub singers are what he thinks everyone likes? The fact is all X-Factor contestants, even winners with few exceptions are quickly consigned to the dustbin of pop history the minute their 15mins of fame is over, its fake from the planted stories, to the over produced singing right down to the promise of a pop career its a big, glittering shiny empty shell 

It does make good telly tho, to be fair 

[Martin_1962]

Who?

[Andy B]

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It does make good telly tho, to be fair 

It does?  :-? :-? :-? :-?

[albitz]

Cowell is a great businessman but I hate what he has done to the music business. People used to spend years in the pubs and clubs, cutting their teeth, learning their craft and if they were good enough and had some good luck they would get signed and quite possibly have a long career ahead of them.
Now they go on these shows (from stage school in most cases), and if they do well they will get a short episode on his conveyor belt, before they fall off the end and are replaced by someone else. There are one or two exceptions but they are few and far between.
I honestly dont think the Beatles, Stones etc, wouldnt stand much chance of breaking into the business these days.

I can't understand why you would say that mate? because they were the thing at the time... My daughters both know who each of the Mega Acts you mentioned how many of todays acts will be as popular in 40years.... could Take That be there equivalent today??

These were artists, and very talented artists they were too.Almost all of the famous people these days arent artists by any definition that I can think off.
Comparing Take That to the Beatles is imo like comparing Richard Clayderman to Mozart.
I cant see them being thought of as the biggest most influential band in history 40 years after they break up (again) tbh.
I am convinced that popular music reached its pinnacle in the late 60,s and it has been in a steady decline ever since.
For me, most of the people who are worth listening to today are people who are survivors from that era. They may be getting a bit old and crusty, but I dont see many people coming up to replace them. Its unlikely that anyone will, as not only the business but the world has changed so much in the intervening period.