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[Amigo]

Theres no such thing as too fast Guy, but if you dont learn quickly on a modern bike that the throttle works both ways, then you wont be long for this world, they are mind bendingly quick.
Having said that, you havent been properly excited if you havent redlined an R1 in the lower gears - on a private road of course.
The copper who caught me at a high rate of knots on the M11 last year turned out to be a biker, when not in uniform. That small fact and the fact that I took it on the chin rather than whinging like a girl, saved me from a long ban.

By too fast i meant for most middle aged "bikers" i use that phrase loosley..have more money for the bike & gay matching leathers than they have what to do with it. The bikes are so fast it catches them out & then the blame culture sets in. Hav'nt ridden an R1 but had a pop on an R6 & that was a cheeky little bleeder! They're known as "born again bikers", had a few when they were young, now the kids are grown up, mortgage paid, hav'nt ridden for 20+ years, let's go & buy the fastest bike in the shop Out of the office & into hospital or worse....what do you expect? Weekenders are'nt real bikers. Those who ride all year round every day are, that's why todays bikes are too fast for some. not all but some die.

[Debs.]

Theres no such thing as too fast Guy, but if you dont learn quickly on a modern bike that the throttle works both ways, then you wont be long for this world, they are mind bendingly quick.
Having said that, you havent been properly excited if you havent redlined an R1 in the lower gears - on a private road of course.
The copper who caught me at a high rate of knots on the M11 last year turned out to be a biker, when not in uniform. That small fact and the fact that I took it on the chin rather than whinging like a girl, saved me from a long ban.

  Oi! 

[albitz]

Oops!

I dont ride all year round any longer.I have too many breaked up joints etc from a mispent youth - its murder to ride in cold wet conditions tbh. Used to ride in snow/ice etc when I was younger /stupider/ and didnt feel the cold 

[Darth Loo-knee]

I know what your saying Guy, I have seen it like most others have where the guys who now have the spare money can afford the best of everything.... the thing though is like my Nanna always says "Its only as fast as you want it!" she is right obviolusly...  but like most other things that are exciting they are dangerous...

Be it from whatever job you do from Doctor to Copper most are the same...

It does not have to be something the rider does either.. I know an old guy who at 65 yrs never had driven a car but had 5 motorbikes. On the way home on a blind bend some unthinking car driver had parked his car, as Denis was going around him another car was coming around the bend and killed old Denis straight out... God Bless Den

[Jusme]

I know what your saying Guy, I have seen it like most others have where the guys who now have the spare money can afford the best of everything.... the thing though is like my Nanna always says "Its only as fast as you want it!" she is right obviolusly...  but like most other things that are exciting they are dangerous...

Funny but, never walked into a bike showroom and had one of them 'bite me' ?? 

[Darth Loo-knee]

I know what your saying Guy, I have seen it like most others have where the guys who now have the spare money can afford the best of everything.... the thing though is like my Nanna always says "Its only as fast as you want it!" she is right obviolusly...  but like most other things that are exciting they are dangerous...

Funny but, never walked into a bike showroom and had one of them 'bite me' ?? 

In which case you have read it wrong, or not been in any good Bike Showrooms 

[feeutfo]

All this is why I and my group gave up riding on the road. It is no place for an exorcet missile.

When it comes to sports bikes,
Group riders DO egg each other on, absolutely no doubt about it what so ever! Been there done it!

...and was very lucky to live through it!



Get them on a track, out the way. Subsidise track days. Govt. incentive or some sort of scheme. Open up air fields, there's loads of them dotted around the country, disused mostly. I don't know...they, we as bikers, I, won't stop riding. Once you,'ve been on track it becomes obvious how limiting the road is in terms of speed, safety distractions, obstructions and ultimately once you get into track riding, the road is no longer the "play ground".   

[aaronjb]

All this is why I and my group gave up riding on the road. It is no place for an exorcet missile.

When it comes to sports bikes,
Group riders DO egg each other on, absolutely no doubt about it what so ever! Been there done it!

...and was very lucky to live through it!



Get them on a track, out the way. Subsidise track days. Govt. incentive or some sort of scheme. Open up air fields, there's loads of them dotted around the country, disused mostly. I don't know...they, we as bikers, I, won't stop riding. Once you,'ve been on track it becomes obvious how limiting the road is in terms of speed, safety distractions, obstructions and ultimately once you get into track riding, the road is no longer the "play ground".   

Obviously the risk of killing yourself on two wheels is greater as you're not surrounded by a tin cage, but that's as true for cars as it is for bikes - and I absolutely agree 

I mean, I enjoy spirited driving (in the MR2, the Omega is a bit too much of a wallowy boat ) as much as the next man, but I really don't tend to 'push' on the road at all..

.. unless I'm trying to keep up with someone in convoy who doesn't feel the same way I do - though I still won't exceed my limits, no point throwing a large investment off the side of a mountain in wales just to try and keep up with the bloke in a nearly-new Porsche (which is why, last time I was there, Dan disappeared into the distance very quickly )

But yes, a couple of sessions on track in anything make you that much more aware that the road is not the place to be pushing at anything like 10/10ths.

[scimmy_man]

The B1222 where he crashed is about 4 miles from me, I often meet groups of bikes racing each other, and on the wrong side of the road on a blind bend.

Im sure thats what led the police to convict them.
a couple of years ago, I was overtaken by a group of bikes on the same road, and every one of them was riding 10/10ths, half a mile down the road I found two of them in a hedge.

[Kevin Wood]

The A339 near me is also notorious. More often than not there's a bike accident on a Sunny Sunday along there.

I once nearly had a head-on with a bike there myself. The usual car driver excuse: "I didn't see you". Well, the reason I didn't was that it was dusk and he was pulling a wheelie along a straight that must have been getting on for a mile long, at 3 figure speeds, and his headlight wasn't exactly throwing many photons in my direction.

I still fail to see how it's anybody else's responsibility than the guy who loses contact with the black stuff, though.

Kevin

[aaronjb]

The A339 near me is also notorious. More often than not there's a bike accident on a Sunny Sunday along there.

I once nearly had a head-on with a bike there myself. The usual car driver excuse: "I didn't see you". Well, the reason I didn't was that it was dusk and he was pulling a wheelie along a straight that must have been getting on for a mile long, at 3 figure speeds, and his headlight wasn't exactly throwing many photons in my direction.

I still fail to see how it's anybody else's responsibility than the guy who loses contact with the black stuff, though.

Kevin

Now there's an idea.. self levelling bike headlights?