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[Nickbat]

How is it that the government can get away with taxing tax? Well that's exactly what they do with fuel - about 70% of the cost of fuel at the pump is duty and yet the duty is also subject to VAT. In short they are adding tax to tax. It's no different to being mugged!!

I have to agree. Charging value added tax on duty is simply immoral. They haven't added value, just slapped a duty on it, so there is, in principle, no justification for applying vat to that element. 

[Dishevelled Den]

don't think driving offences are on a criminal record..and how are they going to fine a million plus people

Slowly, but with great deliberation BB.

[aaronjb]

don't think driving offences are on a criminal record..and how are they going to fine a million plus people

It's all computerised as soon as you go past an ANPR machine (which of course, not all million+ people will do) so all that happens is they send a lot of letters and fine a lot of people.

Or crush a lot of cars..

[TheBoy]

bobdent - any you forgot that you are taxed when you earn it as well....



But the standing government need all that tax, and more, to pay for the cash wasted into the ineffective, inefficent large departments such as NHS and Schools over the past 13yrs.


Also remember, the Tory/LD plans do not go far enough - the actual deficit (not amount we owe, but amount we annually overspend by) will be 'only' £135bn a year in 5yrs. To balance that in five years would still need an extra £2,250 for every man, woman and child, working or not, a year extra tax.

We are paying approx £25m an hour in interest payments on our debt. £600m a day. £219bn a year. Thats 'wasted' tax that the last 12yrs of mismanagement have caused. Thats about £3,500 from every man, woman and child per year.

To pay off our debt tomorrow, even man, woman and child, whether working, retired, at school, lazy blood sucking breakwit, or in a cot, would need to pay £23,000



It seems that the current governement cannot get the scale of this problem over to the masses, as it would appear than most of the population cannot see a problem

Maybe something dramatic, such as closing the NHS entirely which no decrease in NI payments, is needed to show people the scale of the issue.  Even closing that down, and ignoring the burden that would generate on the welfare system, would only half our annual deficit (NHS is £90bn-£110bn - the department is so inffective, it doesn't know!!).

Unfortunately, its also not a simple case of taxing the rich... ...there aren't enough of them. EVERYBODY is going to have to take a significant hit on this one, to pay for the gross incompitence of the previous 12yrs of government. I know I'm just the stupid kid from the local comprehensive, but even I know to save money during the boom years, and borrow during the bust years.....  .....maybe Mr Brown and Mr Blair believed their own BS about 'the end of boom and bust economy'. Retards.



The only solution is higher tax in parallel with massively reduced spending.  I just hope the governement have the balls to do it, else we are only heading towards bankrupcy.

[TheBoy]

How is it that the government can get away with taxing tax? Well that's exactly what they do with fuel - about 70% of the cost of fuel at the pump is duty and yet the duty is also subject to VAT. In short they are adding tax to tax. It's no different to being mugged!!

I have to agree. Charging value added tax on duty is simply immoral. They haven't added value, just slapped a duty on it, so there is, in principle, no justification for applying vat to that element. 

So your solution?  We have to pay more tax. No way around that.  Maybe put VAT on food?  Put full VAT on energy? Children's cloths?

Somebody, somewhere has to pay for New Labour.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

How is it that the government can get away with taxing tax? Well that's exactly what they do with fuel - about 70% of the cost of fuel at the pump is duty and yet the duty is also subject to VAT. In short they are adding tax to tax. It's no different to being mugged!!

I have to agree. Charging value added tax on duty is simply immoral. They haven't added value, just slapped a duty on it, so there is, in principle, no justification for applying vat to that element. 

So your solution?  We have to pay more tax. No way around that.  Maybe put VAT on food?  Put full VAT on energy? Children's cloths?

Somebody, somewhere has to pay for New Labour.

Exactly right TB!

[Banjax]

can someone tell me, how the tories spending plans would have differed from those of the labour government? exactly, not one jot (with the exception that they'd have been even easier on their friends in the city).

funny how you tell a lie often enough it becomes the truth.

dont believe the hype, read Hansard.

thank you.

message ends.
 

[Nickbat]

How is it that the government can get away with taxing tax? Well that's exactly what they do with fuel - about 70% of the cost of fuel at the pump is duty and yet the duty is also subject to VAT. In short they are adding tax to tax. It's no different to being mugged!!

I have to agree. Charging value added tax on duty is simply immoral. They haven't added value, just slapped a duty on it, so there is, in principle, no justification for applying vat to that element. 

So your solution?  We have to pay more tax. No way around that.  Maybe put VAT on food?  Put full VAT on energy? Children's cloths?

Somebody, somewhere has to pay for New Labour.

Only through a growing economy can you hope to pay back the money in good time. These tax hikes will have the affect of slowing the economy and causing unemployment to rise, which in turn leads to higher government spending on welfare. Whilst I agree that wasteful spending should be slashed, tax income must be maximised and, for that, you need to set up a fiscal environment which stimulates the  economy. It really is that simple. Too simple for Cameron/Clegg, though.

[bob.dent]

bobdent - any you forgot that you are taxed when you earn it as well....



But the standing government need all that tax, and more, to pay for the cash wasted into the ineffective, inefficent large departments such as NHS and Schools over the past 13yrs.


Also remember, the Tory/LD plans do not go far enough - the actual deficit (not amount we owe, but amount we annually overspend by) will be 'only' £135bn a year in 5yrs. To balance that in five years would still need an extra £2,250 for every man, woman and child, working or not, a year extra tax.

We are paying approx £25m an hour in interest payments on our debt. £600m a day. £219bn a year. Thats 'wasted' tax that the last 12yrs of mismanagement have caused. Thats about £3,500 from every man, woman and child per year.

To pay off our debt tomorrow, even man, woman and child, whether working, retired, at school, lazy blood sucking breakwit, or in a cot, would need to pay £23,000



It seems that the current governement cannot get the scale of this problem over to the masses, as it would appear than most of the population cannot see a problem

Maybe something dramatic, such as closing the NHS entirely which no decrease in NI payments, is needed to show people the scale of the issue.  Even closing that down, and ignoring the burden that would generate on the welfare system, would only half our annual deficit (NHS is £90bn-£110bn - the department is so inffective, it doesn't know!!).

Unfortunately, its also not a simple case of taxing the rich... ...there aren't enough of them. EVERYBODY is going to have to take a significant hit on this one, to pay for the gross incompitence of the previous 12yrs of government. I know I'm just the stupid kid from the local comprehensive, but even I know to save money during the boom years, and borrow during the bust years.....  .....maybe Mr Brown and Mr Blair believed their own BS about 'the end of boom and bust economy'. Retards.



The only solution is higher tax in parallel with massively reduced spending.  I just hope the governement have the balls to do it, else we are only heading towards bankrupcy.

Stone me Jaime, a lot of political facts and figures in that post You really should get out more! 

On a serious note though, some good points but I still think it's unethical to tax tax.

[Banjax]

How is it that the government can get away with taxing tax? Well that's exactly what they do with fuel - about 70% of the cost of fuel at the pump is duty and yet the duty is also subject to VAT. In short they are adding tax to tax. It's no different to being mugged!!

I have to agree. Charging value added tax on duty is simply immoral. They haven't added value, just slapped a duty on it, so there is, in principle, no justification for applying vat to that element. 

So your solution?  We have to pay more tax. No way around that.  Maybe put VAT on food?  Put full VAT on energy? Children's cloths?

Somebody, somewhere has to pay for New Labour.

Only through a growing economy can you hope to pay back the money in good time. These tax hikes will have the affect of slowing the economy and causing unemployment to rise, which in turn leads to higher government spending on welfare. Whilst I agree that wasteful spending should be slashed, tax income must be maximised and, for that, you need to set up a fiscal environment which stimulates the  economy. It really is that simple. Too simple for Cameron/Clegg, though.

i agree with Nick 


i think i need a lie down now