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[albitz]

It would appear that the biggest contributing sector to this slowdown in the 4th quarter was the building industry - down 3.3%. Cant think why there wasnt much building work going on at the end of last year.

[Vauxdriver]

So let me see if I have this right, sales are down because of the bad weather. And the construction industry allways slows down before xmas. So no real surprises there are there ?
Mining is the only surprise in that lot, and I openly admit I cannot explain that one.

[Banjax]

as an Irishman Albs, you of all people should be aware of what happens to a country when you cut too deep too quick - cutting public sector jobs and ending juicy government contracts are killing this recovery, and its all based on nothing more than an old tory ideology - nothing to do with economics 

but you are right in one thing - the tories always claim unemployment is a price worth paying.....mainly because it affects their core support less - deeply cynical imho, and it'll come to a head soon enough 

[albitz]

I just wish the current crop of Tories had some idealogical convictions - it has been very evident to me since Dave became leader that they have left that behind. They chose a form of style over any form of substance.
The economy of the Republic of Ireland afaik, hasnever really been sustainable, its only period of prosperity was when the EU was throwing money at it which created a false boom for a few years, but it doesnt have much in the way of wealth creating ability to sustain that, and is now having to pay the piper.
Guiness, a bit of agriculture and Disney Dublin for tourists is never in itself going to create a wealthy nation.
Its not a case of unemployment being a price worth paying. There is no other  realistic option. As always when the socialists have finished mismanaging the country, someone has to bring things back to the reality of - you cannot keep spending money you havent earned. The longer you keep doing it, the worse the consequences will be. There is no logical way around that.
13 years of bribing people and buying their votes with thweir own money (or worse, other peoples money) has caused a hell of a lot of damage, which now needs to be put right. And it will be painful for all concerned. Thankyou Gordon.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I just wish the current crop of Tories had some idealogical convictions - it has been very evident to me since Dave became leader that they have left that behind. They chose a form of style over any form of substance.
The economy of the Republic of Ireland afaik, hasnever really been sustainable, its only period of prosperity was when the EU was throwing money at it which created a false boom for a few years, but it doesnt have much in the way of wealth creating ability to sustain that, and is now having to pay the piper.
Guiness, a bit of agriculture and Disney Dublin for tourists is never in itself going to create a wealthy nation.
Its not a case of unemployment being a price worth paying. There is no other  realistic option. As always when the socialists have finished mismanaging the country, someone has to bring things back to the reality of - you cannot keep spending money you havent earned. The longer you keep doing it, the worse the consequences will be. There is no logical way around that.
13 years of bribing people and buying their votes with thweir own money (or worse, other peoples money) has caused a hell of a lot of damage, which now needs to be put right. And it will be painful for all concerned. Thankyou Gordon.

The sad fact is Albs the Tories failed to win a majority and therefore have had to compromise on so much    For me a full Conservative Government would have been the answer, but this time round it was not to be!

[aaronjb]

I just wish the current crop of Tories had some idealogical convictions - it has been very evident to me since Dave became leader that they have left that behind. They chose a form of style over any form of substance.
The economy of the Republic of Ireland afaik, hasnever really been sustainable, its only period of prosperity was when the EU was throwing money at it which created a false boom for a few years, but it doesnt have much in the way of wealth creating ability to sustain that, and is now having to pay the piper.
Guiness, a bit of agriculture and Disney Dublin for tourists is never in itself going to create a wealthy nation.
Its not a case of unemployment being a price worth paying. There is no other  realistic option. As always when the socialists have finished mismanaging the country, someone has to bring things back to the reality of - you cannot keep spending money you havent earned. The longer you keep doing it, the worse the consequences will be. There is no logical way around that.
13 years of bribing people and buying their votes with thweir own money (or worse, other peoples money) has caused a hell of a lot of damage, which now needs to be put right. And it will be painful for all concerned. Thankyou Gordon.

The sad fact is Albs the Tories failed to win a majority and therefore have had to compromise on so much    For me a full Conservative Government would have been the answer, but this time round it was not to be!

And I reckon we'll end up with Labour again in a year or two when the coalition implodes and the seemingly vast army of those who benefit most from Labour's politics mobilises again.

[Webby the Bear]

It is a well documented fact, that every time Labour win power they spend a lot of money the coun try doesnt have, run the economy into serious trouble, and the Tories get back in, take the tough decisions to rebalance the books and put things back on the straight and narrow. Then they become unpopular with stupid people, who think they have a right to be spoon fed and have their arses wiped by the state, so Labour get voted back in and the whole process begins again.
Democracy - its overrated.   

Anyone who thinks that Ed Balls is capable of bringing the British economy back to good health please say so/raise your hand/start a poll........... I would be fascinated to see if such a person exists outside of the politics desk of The Mirror. 

spot on mate. the tories are solving the problems that labour created

[albitz]

I just wish the current crop of Tories had some idealogical convictions - it has been very evident to me since Dave became leader that they have left that behind. They chose a form of style over any form of substance.
The economy of the Republic of Ireland afaik, hasnever really been sustainable, its only period of prosperity was when the EU was throwing money at it which created a false boom for a few years, but it doesnt have much in the way of wealth creating ability to sustain that, and is now having to pay the piper.
Guiness, a bit of agriculture and Disney Dublin for tourists is never in itself going to create a wealthy nation.
Its not a case of unemployment being a price worth paying. There is no other  realistic option. As always when the socialists have finished mismanaging the country, someone has to bring things back to the reality of - you cannot keep spending money you havent earned. The longer you keep doing it, the worse the consequences will be. There is no logical way around that.
13 years of bribing people and buying their votes with thweir own money (or worse, other peoples money) has caused a hell of a lot of damage, which now needs to be put right. And it will be painful for all concerned. Thankyou Gordon.

The sad fact is Albs the Tories failed to win a majority and therefore have had to compromise on so much    For me a full Conservative Government would have been the answer, but this time round it was not to be!

I dont think it would have made much difference tbh Lizzie. I find it telling that several of these new Tories (and one or two old ones,including John Major) have said out loud that the coalition is such a great thing that it should be made permanent.
Imo, there is little idealogy left in fontline British politics, other than the general muddled socialist thinking in the Labour party of "we will take most of your money from you and decide how to use it. mainly to bribe you with it to vote for us, or give it to people who will vote for us as long as we pay them enough in benifits, so they dont have to look for gainful employment".

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I just wish the current crop of Tories had some idealogical convictions - it has been very evident to me since Dave became leader that they have left that behind. They chose a form of style over any form of substance.
The economy of the Republic of Ireland afaik, hasnever really been sustainable, its only period of prosperity was when the EU was throwing money at it which created a false boom for a few years, but it doesnt have much in the way of wealth creating ability to sustain that, and is now having to pay the piper.
Guiness, a bit of agriculture and Disney Dublin for tourists is never in itself going to create a wealthy nation.
Its not a case of unemployment being a price worth paying. There is no other  realistic option. As always when the socialists have finished mismanaging the country, someone has to bring things back to the reality of - you cannot keep spending money you havent earned. The longer you keep doing it, the worse the consequences will be. There is no logical way around that.
13 years of bribing people and buying their votes with thweir own money (or worse, other peoples money) has caused a hell of a lot of damage, which now needs to be put right. And it will be painful for all concerned. Thankyou Gordon.

The sad fact is Albs the Tories failed to win a majority and therefore have had to compromise on so much    For me a full Conservative Government would have been the answer, but this time round it was not to be!

I dont think it would have made much difference tbh Lizzie. I find it telling that several of these new Tories (and one or two old ones,including John Major) have said out loud that the coalition is such a great thing that it should be made permanent.
Imo, there is little idealogy left in fontline British politics, other than the general muddled socialist thinking in the Labour party of "we will take most of your money from you and decide how to use it. mainly to bribe you with it to vote for us, or give it to people who will vote for us as long as we pay them enough in benifits, so they dont have to look for gainful employment".

That is just politics talking Albs, the good old fashioned "party line".  If those Tories could they would break way from their Lib-Dem 'friends' and be a real Conservative Government!

[albitz]

Sorry, but I dont believe that. Thatcher was the last of the real Tories. Dave was looking like a very light shade of pink from day one. Remember hug a hoody ? shoes made from recycled tyres ? Ridng to work on a pushbike ? - even though there was a Jag following behind with his papers on the passenger seat.
He has made a lot of effort to put great distance between him and the "old nasty Tory party", just like his mirror image Bliar did when he disowned "old labour" and sold the "Nu Liebore "project to the country.
Cameron described himself as the heir to Blair, and that he is imo. His problem is that the Blair era has been and gone and is now ancient history. A week is a long time in politics.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

When the Coalition breaks up, which it will do at least at the next General Election, I would not be surprised to see Cameron cease to be the Tory leader . 

Then Albs you will see the real, strong, all blue beating heart of full Conservatism which I for one hanker for!  Then you will see a new leader appear, with the vigour and bravery of dear Maggie, and the absolute commitment to apply the full Tory general values of  Burke and the financial vision of Hayek.

Then, and only then, will this country fully motor on to a great future! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

I know not everyone will agree, but that is what I believe after witnessing the last 50+ years of British Politics, and reading history

[Marks DTM Calib]

My greatest worry is getting yet another Labour government before things are ironed out.

They may not have created the recession but, they ensured we were in no fit state to weather one thanks to the mindless and ill thought out over spending during the good times.

To put it into perspective, if we did not have the debt, we would have more than 50 billion quid extra to play with per year!

But hey, labour have always bought votes by needless public sector job creation schemes