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[mathewst]

What happened recently here is beyond belief.

You know we had a war going on here two decades ago.
Vukovar was one of the towns hardest hit by serbian invasion. Town was defended by some 1500 lightly amed men and was under siege by a force totaling more than 1000 tanks and armoured vehicles, planes and up to 50 000 serbian soldiers (most of them from Serbia and not Croatian native serbs).
After the town fell (was completely destroyed in 3 months siege) all wounded persons found in hospital were executed, remaining defenders were rounded up and ended in concetration camps were they were tortured for another three months (beatten every day, starved, electroshocked, killed etc).
One of those defenders was Mr Purda.
After being beatten every day (his wound from beating were then rubbed with salt) he was forced to sign a confession that he was killing serbian prisoners.
Actually the guy once carried a wounded serbian soldier to a Croat hospital endangering his life in the process.
There is no evidence for this crime he supposedly comitted, no witnesses or anything similar just a signed confession got under torture.
Couple of years ago Serbia issued a Interpol warant for his arrest and maybe another hundred more such warants all based on confessions of prisoners got during torture in prison camps. Mr Purda went to Bosnia and Herzegovina where he was arrested and put in jail, waiting ro be extradited to Serbia and is now rotting in bosnian jail.
Bosnia doesn't care that there is no evidence or anything against the man but the warrant is valid since it got through Interpol
And what did my goverment do about this?
Absolutely nothing, they say that they are confident it will be correctly resolved in court and the man will be set free     
I just wander how would the british or french feel if the germans were torturing their citizens during WW2 and then when they were defeated started issuing warrants for theirs  arrests based solely on confessions got during torture in prison camps, and would their goverments be such fuc... incompetent imbeciles

[Lizzie_Zoom]

What happened recently here is beyond belief.

You know we had a war going on here two decades ago.
Vukovar was one of the towns hardest hit by serbian invasion. Town was defended by some 1500 lightly amed men and was under siege by a force totaling more than 1000 tanks and armoured vehicles, planes and up to 50 000 serbian soldiers (most of them from Serbia and not Croatian native serbs).
After the town fell (was completely destroyed in 3 months siege) all wounded persons found in hospital were executed, remaining defenders were rounded up and ended in concetration camps were they were tortured for another three months (beatten every day, starved, electroshocked, killed etc).
One of those defenders was Mr Purda.
After being beatten every day (his wound from beating were then rubbed with salt) he was forced to sign a confession that he was killing serbian prisoners.
Actually the guy once carried a wounded serbian soldier to a Croat hospital endangering his life in the process.
There is no evidence for this crime he supposedly comitted, no witnesses or anything similar just a signed confession got under torture.
Couple of years ago Serbia issued a Interpol warant for his arrest and maybe another hundred more such warants all based on confessions of prisoners got during torture in prison camps. Mr Purda went to Bosnia and Herzegovina where he was arrested and put in jail, waiting ro be extradited to Serbia and is now rotting in bosnian jail.
Bosnia doesn't care that there is no evidence or anything against the man but the warrant is valid since it got through Interpol
And what did my goverment do about this?
Absolutely nothing, they say that they are confident it will be correctly resolved in court and the man will be set free     
I just wander how would the british or french feel if the germans were torturing their citizens during WW2 and then when they were defeated started issuing warrants for theirs  arrests based solely on confessions got during torture in prison camps, and would their goverments be such fuc... incompetent imbeciles

Your war was a complicated one, based on an age old hatred of each other, with a determination to annihilate the opposing citizens.  I think it was very difficult for the international community to settle this war targeting innocent people within whole communities.  Complete justice will never, I am afraid to say, be achieved for the people, as indeed it is not in any conflict.  Your government should of course be stronger and bring a case to the United Nations highlighting what you describe, which sounds ludicrous in terms of International Law, common sense, and the human rights of the people involved.

[mathewst]

I know Lizzie that there was much hate here, personally I never hated anyone based on nationality, religion and skin colour and will never understand racism or nationalism.
But this really is a disguisting situation

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I know Lizzie that there was much hate here, personally I never hated anyone based on nationality, religion and skin colour and will never understand racism or nationalism.
But this really is a disguisting situation

I can understand that Mathew, but of course the Balkans has been a highly volatile region since the Ottoman Empire (blame Cem's lot!! ) and the Austro-Hungarian Empire that displaced them at the end of the 17th century.

Your region has been fought over by so many European nations, including of course the Germans, Italians and British Empires, along with Russia.  Ethnic loyalties must have been formed, along with those pertaining to each ruling empire and alliances which were legion at the end of the 19th century.  I do not understand fully all of your political history, other than to say the Balkans were key terrority for each of the key European empires, and were savagely fought over.  To me it appears that massive resentment and hatred built up during the centuries involved, along with nationalist tendencies, especially at the commencement of the twentieth century, and then the First World War that really shattered any peace that there had been.  Who ruled the Balkans ruled Eastern Europe, and so political alliances grew between the different states as they were controlled by the big empires and progressed into open warefare.  World War Two did nothing to relieve the tensions, with Nazi Germany heavily involved.  It is that history that is still today always in the minds of the citizens of those states, which of course rekindled itself after the fall of Yugoslavia that kept you all together, with nationalsim one of the results!

[cem_devecioglu]

I know Lizzie that there was much hate here, personally I never hated anyone based on nationality, religion and skin colour and will never understand racism or nationalism.
But this really is a disguisting situation

I can understand that Mathew, but of course the Balkans has been a highly volatile region since the Ottoman Empire (blame Cem's lot!! ) and the Austro-Hungarian Empire that displaced them at the end of the 17th century.

Your region has been fought over by so many European nations, including of course the Germans, Italians and British Empires, along with Russia.  Ethnic loyalties must have been formed, along with those pertaining to each ruling empire and alliances which were legion at the end of the 19th century.  I do not understand fully all of your political history, other than to say the Balkans were key terrority for each of the key European empires, and were savagely fought over.  To me it appears that massive resentment and hatred built up during the centuries involved, along with nationalist tendencies, especially at the commencement of the twentieth century, and then the First World War that really shattered any peace that there had been.  Who ruled the Balkans ruled Eastern Europe, and so political alliances grew between the different states as they were controlled by the big empires and progressed into open warefare.  World War Two did nothing to relieve the tensions, with Nazi Germany heavily involved.  It is that history that is still today always in the minds of the citizens of those states, which of course rekindled itself after the fall of Yugoslavia that kept you all together, with nationalsim one of the results!

  you see , we have to invade again to bring back peace

ok jokes aside, whats happening in Balkans is really beyond belief   but here is also not so different

[scimmy_man]

I have been over there a few times, I was told by a local he was captured castrated so he couldnt breed and THEN tortured.

[mathewst]

   you see , we have to invade again to bring back peace   

Actually Cem you tried once, conquered everything till  you reached my country, guess we were to wild even for you 
Just kidding.
What makes me sick is that other goverments try to protect their citizens unlike our.
Lizzie you are right there probably isn't a great nation who didn't try to conquer this region (ok maybe US but they were to far away) either politically or militarily.

[cem_devecioglu]

   you see , we have to invade again to bring back peace   

Actually Cem you tried once, conquered everything till  you reached my country, guess we were to wild even for you 
Just kidding.
What makes me sick is that other goverments try to protect their citizens unlike our.
Lizzie you are right there probably isn't a great nation who didn't try to conquer this region (ok maybe US but they were to far away) either politically or militarily.

crop some oil , you will see the difference