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[Martian]

Sorry Albs, but the chap was an illegal being chased by armed police. They told him to stop, he didn't... End of the day, he could have avoided the situation

I agree fully.
Many years ago I was unfortunate enough to find myself staring down the barrel of more than one police marksman after they mistook me for our downstairs neighbour leaving home one morning (we lived in an upstairs maisonette at the time, and the front doors were right next to each other).

However in that particular case I was sensible enough to do what I was told, when I was told to do it.
The end result of that incident was that the only "injury" (if that's the right word) sustained was a few hours of me & my ringpiece recovering from the initial scare of staring down the barrel of several SA80's (or whatever they were at the time).

Yep, certainly applies  in this case... Shortly after a massive terrorist strike in London a man with a backpack refuses to stop for Armed Police Did the correct thing IMO. If they hadn't shot him and he had been another madman with a bomb they would have been slated for that too

I do believe that he was running to catch his train that was already on the platform (at least that was one excuse put forward).
However I believe that any normal person who was being shouted at would at least stop for a second to take a look behind them regardless of how much of a hurry they are in (especially the way the police shout orders).
Regardless of his immigration status, he didn't deserve to die but he brought that upon himself IMHO.

My only issue with police being armed is when you get nutters like that police officer at the G20 march who attacked that Tom guy from behind while he was walking (partially staggering) AWAY from the trouble's and obviously a threat to nobody.
There was absolutely no need for that at all, and the police made it worse for themselves afterwards by letting the officer get away with it.

At the end of the day, if you have someone presenting a serious threat to others then that individual has to be removed from the situation.
It's always nice when a situation ends peacefully, but unfortuantely it won't always go that way, especially if the perpetrator is cranked up on alcohol or drugs.

[Banjax]

truly....a little green man from mars has spoken 


so being executed under the streets of London is a just punishment for not stopping? if you were an innocent man and armed police were shouting, you wouldn't naturally assume they were shouting at you - i know i wouldn't - if this had happened to a British citizen on the streets of Rio, presumably that would be OK too then Martian? I'd worry about the obviously poor quality of the intelligence, putting 2 and 2 together...backpack.....tube.....running....OK put 10 bullets in him first, because a) he looks a bit "swarthy", b) he's got a backpack c) hes in a hurry. thats evidence enough for execution?

if that was the criteria the tube system would be half empty most days, of course you'd have to pick your way through the piles of dead backpackers...but hey - one of them could've been a terrorist 

If we become so frightened of our own shadow the terrorists have won - we need cooler heads in these situations, until the Met demonstrate that completely we should tread very carefully. I have no doubt the vast majority of armed police are cautious, intelligent, cool, calm and collected in most situations tho, but you just need one trigger happy panicker and you're in trouble 

[cem_devecioglu]

shooting on an unarmed people can have no excuses!

[albitz]

Sorry Albs, but the chap was an illegal being chased by armed police. They told him to stop, he didn't... End of the day, he could have avoided the situation

I agree fully.
Many years ago I was unfortunate enough to find myself staring down the barrel of more than one police marksman after they mistook me for our downstairs neighbour leaving home one morning (we lived in an upstairs maisonette at the time, and the front doors were right next to each other).

However in that particular case I was sensible enough to do what I was told, when I was told to do it.
The end result of that incident was that the only "injury" (if that's the right word) sustained was a few hours of me & my ringpiece recovering from the initial scare of staring down the barrel of several SA80's (or whatever they were at the time).

Yep, certainly applies  in this case... Shortly after a massive terrorist strike in London a man with a backpack refuses to stop for Armed Police Did the correct thing IMO. If they hadn't shot him and he had been another madman with a bomb they would have been slated for that too

I do believe that he was running to catch his train that was already on the platform (at least that was one excuse put forward).
However I believe that any normal person who was being shouted at would at least stop for a second to take a look behind them regardless of how much of a hurry they are in (especially the way the police shout orders).
Regardless of his immigration status, he didn't deserve to die but he brought that upon himself IMHO.

My only issue with police being armed is when you get nutters like that police officer at the G20 march who attacked that Tom guy from behind while he was walking (partially staggering) AWAY from the trouble's and obviously a threat to nobody.
There was absolutely no need for that at all, and the police made it worse for themselves afterwards by letting the officer get away with it.

At the end of the day, if you have someone presenting a serious threat to others then that individual has to be removed from the situation.
It's always nice when a situation ends peacefully, but unfortuantely it won't always go that way, especially if the perpetrator is cranked up on alcohol or drugs.

Read the evidence from whichever source you choose. No-one shouted at him at any time.

[Lazydocker]

truly....a little green man from mars has spoken 


so being executed under the streets of London is a just punishment for not stopping? if you were an innocent man and armed police were shouting, you wouldn't naturally assume they were shouting at you - i know i wouldn't - if this had happened to a British citizen on the streets of Rio, presumably that would be OK too then Martian? I'd worry about the obviously poor quality of the intelligence, putting 2 and 2 together...backpack.....tube.....running....OK put 10 bullets in him first, because a) he looks a bit "swarthy", b) he's got a backpack c) hes in a hurry. thats evidence enough for execution?

if that was the criteria the tube system would be half empty most days, of course you'd have to pick your way through the piles of dead backpackers...but hey - one of them could've been a terrorist 

If we become so frightened of our own shadow the terrorists have won - we need cooler heads in these situations, until the Met demonstrate that completely we should tread very carefully. I have no doubt the vast majority of armed police are cautious, intelligent, cool, calm and collected in most situations tho, but you just need one trigger happy panicker and you're in trouble 

To be fair, the whole country was reeling from a massive terrorist strike on the London Transport system... There was bound to be some tension

Read the evidence from whichever source you choose. No-one shouted at him at any time.

But that evidence is only based inside the train... How would anyone know what happened previously :-?

Yes, they made a mistake... But it was a chain of errors from the top down. The guy with his finger on the trigger did his job to the best of his ability with the intel he was supplied.

At the end of the day, there will always be the risk of human mistakes... But the same can be said for every person who drives  The Armed Police have saved many more lives but, as usual, the mistake is overly publicised

[Banjax]

Armed police can't afford to make mistakes. Period.

[Lazydocker]

Armed police can't afford to make mistakes. Period.

They shouldn't, agreed, but they're still human

Or should we be working towards the Robocop type of armed policeman?

[Banjax]

Armed police can't afford to make mistakes. Period.

They shouldn't, agreed, but they're still human

Or should we be working towards the Robocop type of armed policeman?

now you're talking 

you have 20seconds to comply citizen

[Martin_1962]

Rock and hard place - mind you in the 70s and 80s armed Police were needed